Re: Would this account for the unprecedented high level of political support?

by Guest 24.09.11 13:06

No. It's the £££££ and the $$$$$$ and lots of it.
All it will mean is, that children will have to be abducted sometime through the night, when they probably have 6 to 8 hours before anyone notices they have gone. There will be devices made to read these chips, which they can also get their hands on. So if they can locate the precise area where the chip is, they could cut it out. But that will not be publicised.

by Guest 01.10.11 8:42

Stemcor produces a ‘Special Steel’, one that is used by the Oil, Gas and Petrochemical Industry. They are most certainly also the suppliers of a top secret steel, to our Nuclear Submarine industry.
Why oh why, would one of the members of the board of this company be within speaking distance of Gerry McCann that week?

by Angelique 03.10.11 0:32

This is becoming very scary stuff.

But then there is always the possibility that the Government will throw it into a distant filing cabinet before it gets off the ground - insofar as it becoming mandatory.

by Invinoveritas 03.10.11 15:43

Slightly O/T but broadly inline with the thread:

Child Bereavement and Trauma Service: CHUMS Annual Conference

06-07 October 2011
Letchworth Hall Hotel, Letchworth

This two day conference is relevant to all professionals working with children and will include networking opportunities.

Day 1:
Alicia Sims Franklin, Grief Inc., USA
‘Grief is not “one sixe fits all”: Exploring the ways in which children, adolescents and their families grieve differently

Day 2:
Kate and Gerry McCann
Gerry and Kate describe how they have helped their children try to understand and cope with Madeleine’s disappearance whilst trying to understand and cope with it themselves.

Workshops are available on both days, choose from the four options below.

Workshop 1: Alicia Sims Franklin, ‘Taming the Tornado Within’
Focusing on the connections between children’s anger, unresolved grief and violence

Workshop 2: Kate Cairns, ‘Secondary trauma’
Exploring the impact of living and working with traumatised children

Workshop 3: Emma Chilvers ‘Managing Energy’
A Whole Life Balance, Taking car of yourself

Workshop 4: ‘Looking at self-harm’
Why young people do it. What can we do to help?

For further information and to book, contact CHUMS at:
Tel: 01582 707469
Email: paula.fensome@luton-pct.nhs.uk

http://www.bath.ac.uk/cdas/news/conferences/index.html

by jmac 03.10.11 23:31

Have we now to believe that Kate and Gerry have something of value to say in helping traumatised children? Must we forget that leaving children alone at night in a strange place to cry for over an hour is itself traumatising?

by Gillyspot 03.10.11 23:46

jmac wrote:Have we now to believe that Kate and Gerry have something of value to say in helping traumatised children? Must we forget that leaving children alone at night in a strange place to cry for over an hour is itself traumatising?

Then leaving the twins only days afterwards to go jetting around visiting the Pope and foreign dignitaries? Is that why Kate is inspirational?

by listener 04.10.11 0:06

Gillyspot wrote:
jmac wrote:Have we now to believe that Kate and Gerry have something of value to say in helping traumatised children? Must we forget that leaving children alone at night in a strange place to cry for over an hour is itself traumatising?

Then leaving the twins only days afterwards to go jetting around visiting the Pope and foreign dignitaries? Is that why Kate is inspirational?

Why don't 'the masses' pick up on this?

by Newintown 04.10.11 0:12

Gillyspot wrote:
jmac wrote:Have we now to believe that Kate and Gerry have something of value to say in helping traumatised children? Must we forget that leaving children alone at night in a strange place to cry for over an hour is itself traumatising?

Then leaving the twins only days afterwards to go jetting around visiting the Pope and foreign dignitaries? Is that why Kate is inspirational?

Or even putting them back in the creche immediately after Madeleine's "disappearance".

by Newintown 04.10.11 0:18

jmac wrote:Have we now to believe that Kate and Gerry have something of value to say in helping traumatised children? Must we forget that leaving children alone at night in a strange place to cry for over an hour is itself traumatising?

It beggers belief!

Didn't K & G tell the twins that a nasty man had taken Madeleine. If that isn't traumatising children, I don't know what is.

by Gillyspot 04.10.11 6:29

Newintown wrote:
jmac wrote:Have we now to believe that Kate and Gerry have something of value to say in helping traumatised children? Must we forget that leaving children alone at night in a strange place to cry for over an hour is itself traumatising?

It beggers belief!

Didn't K & G tell the twins that a nasty man had taken Madeleine. If that isn't traumatising children, I don't know what is.

I would imagine the poor twins are being traumatised now more than when they are younger. Imagine if they got to read any of the interviews Kate has been given about her "fears" for Madeleine at the hands of a paedophile or worse (to a 6 yr old) about hers and Gerry's sex life going downhill. It won't be long before other children "helpfully" tell them what their mummy has been saying to the world. Poor, poor children.

by Guest 04.10.11 8:36

With the number of medical people staying at OC that week, you might think it was some sort of medical conference. But if you throw bankers, financial experts and a global multi billion pound company into the mix, it has to be something far, far bigger than that.

by **tigger** 04.10.11 9:47

http://vimeo.com/29929825

Hi Stella, the above video is not really off topic, although it is about the relationship of nuclear regulators and the industry.

IMO it is well worth watching, as you can see here too, the way big industry operates and gets the publicity it wants. In fact, they write it themselves!
This site, Fairewinds, is imo the best on information re nuclear matters, most of this doesn't get into the press.

by Guest 04.10.11 9:59

Thanks tigger. thumbup

by Daisy 04.10.11 10:39

Invinoveritas wrote:Slightly O/T but broadly inline with the thread:

Child Bereavement and Trauma Service: CHUMS Annual Conference

06-07 October 2011
Letchworth Hall Hotel, Letchworth

This two day conference is relevant to all professionals working with children and will include networking opportunities.

Day 1:
Alicia Sims Franklin, Grief Inc., USA
‘Grief is not “one sixe fits all”: Exploring the ways in which children, adolescents and their families grieve differently

Day 2:
Kate and Gerry McCann
Gerry and Kate describe how they have helped their children try to understand and cope with Madeleine’s disappearance whilst trying to understand and cope with it themselves.

Workshops are available on both days, choose from the four options below.

Workshop 1: Alicia Sims Franklin, ‘Taming the Tornado Within’
Focusing on the connections between children’s anger, unresolved grief and violence

Workshop 2: Kate Cairns, ‘Secondary trauma’
Exploring the impact of living and working with traumatised children

Workshop 3: Emma Chilvers ‘Managing Energy’
A Whole Life Balance, Taking car of yourself

Workshop 4: ‘Looking at self-harm’
Why young people do it. What can we do to help?

For further information and to book, contact CHUMS at:
Tel: 01582 707469
Email: paula.fensome@luton-pct.nhs.uk

http://www.bath.ac.uk/cdas/news/conferences/index.html

Very interesting, thanks for posting. It's shocking that the McCanns are now in effect going to be lecturing professionals about dealing with traumatised children (& no doubt getting paid for it). This world has gone mad, the lunatics really have taken over the asylum.

Isn't David Trickey the child psychologist that the McCanns called on for help with counselling the twins? The same consultant that worked at Leicester Royal Infirmary from 2006-2009? I'm sure I read some mention of him in Kates book (online) but I can't seem to find it now.

David Trickey

David Trickey
David is Lead Consultant Clinical
Psychologist for the Child Bereavement and Trauma Service (CHUMS). The
service offers support to bereaved children and young people from Luton
and Bedfordshire, and a national service following traumatic
bereavement. Since 2000 he has specialised in working with traumatised
and traumatically bereaved children and adolescents. He worked for 6
years at the Traumatic Stress Clinic in London, and was then Lead
Consultant Paediatric Psychologist at Leicester Royal Infirmary. He
offers consultation and supervision, presents at conferences and
supervises doctoral research.

He is an expert advisor to the police and an expert witness for the
Court. He is at times consulted immediately following a trauma and asked
to inform the crisis response. He was commissioned by the UK Government
to evaluate the 7th July Assistance Centre. He is an editor of the
Bereavement Care Journal and together with colleagues is about to
publish a meta-analysis of risk factors for PTSD in children and young
people.

http://www.policyreview.tv/speaker/1663.html

by Anders 25.11.11 8:43

Stella wrote:Would I be right in thinking that Stemcor Special Steels are the main providers for nuclear submarines? as such anyone or anything connected to this would be classified as top secret and qualify for a DA notice?

http://www.stemcorspecialsteels.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52&Itemid=60

yes the steel made for the hulls of nuke subs is top secret - i actually have a sinn udr watch made of top secret german u-boat steel - what occurred to me was the murky links between stemcor and british nuclear fuels - gerry had been given a consultancy back in 2007 with bnf, apparently via a masonic contact - see the masoic links thread - deeper down the rabbit hole we go...

as far as promoting fear over child kidnappings, this is endemic in the usa and now the uk too, the tavistock social conditioners are paving the way for compulsory microchipping, what better way than to whip up a frenzy over maddie, kate said remember 'they've taken her' - so THEY had interaction with maddie before during the earler days of the holiday - what were THEY doing to maddie? who was doing it?
i smell a paedophile ring, based in the uk...

by Guest 25.11.11 9:08

Hello Anders and welcome to the forum.

Yes, with Philip Edmonds in the tapas restaurant on the very night the alarm was raised and telling someone he was leaving the following morning one day earlier than expected, I can quite understand how the Labour Government stepped in to help so swiftly. Especially with Aunty Margaret Hodge MP, to think of. The more we dig, the more we find sadly. It is such a shame that Goncalo Amaral was not allowed to do the same. Instead, the Gaspar statement was witheld from him and then he was forced to go.

by Anders 26.11.11 4:27

Stella wrote:Hello Anders and welcome to the forum.

Yes, with Philip Edmonds in the tapas restaurant on the very night the alarm was raised and telling someone he was leaving the following morning one day earlier than expected, I can quite understand how the Labour Government stepped in to help so swiftly. Especially with Aunty Margaret Hodge MP, to think of. The more we dig, the more we find sadly. It is such a shame that Goncalo Amaral was not allowed to do the same. Instead, the Gaspar statement was witheld from him and then he was forced to go.

Hi Stella - thank you for the hello - I will for sure do my best to prove dodgyness.

by Cheshire Cat 26.11.11 9:29

Stella wrote:Hello Anders and welcome to the forum.

Yes, with Philip Edmonds in the tapas restaurant on the very night the alarm was raised and telling someone he was leaving the following morning one day earlier than expected, I can quite understand how the Labour Government stepped in to help so swiftly. Especially with Aunty Margaret Hodge MP, to think of. The more we dig, the more we find sadly. It is such a shame that Goncalo Amaral was not allowed to do the same. Instead, the Gaspar statement was witheld from him and then he was forced to go.

Hodge is in a powerful position even in opposition - she is on the Public Accounts Committee.

by Guest 26.11.11 10:23

Perhaps it's time she stood down then, now the cat's out the bag. Would this account for the unprecedented high level of political support? - Page 9 181154

Would this account for the unprecedented high level of political support? - Page 9 181154

by sijm 27.11.11 19:59

Hi Stella, new to posting so please be patient.

I have been watching this forum for ages and have noted there just may be a clue in the

Franciso Moito Flores Quote-"The mystery lies with TWO of the TEN or Twelve ELEMENTS that used to enter

the the appartment".

Names like Edmonds link to Oppenheimers and Atomic/Nuclear/Steel for Subs Industry also the

GM Isotope/X-Ray links and his Nuclear Industry Medical Monitor job, which can be hardly be said not a conflct of interest.

I have read GM has the profesion of a Heart Specialist, in particular monitoring how paitients should be treated.

I assume this job would require an extensive monitoring procedure by X-Rays, I've read X-Rays require Isotopes a by-product of Nuclear Fusion

The carbon-12 scale is a scale on which the mass of the 12/C isotope weights exactly 12 UNITS.

The two peaks in the mass spectrum shows that there are 2 isotopes of baron- with relative isotope masses of 10 and

12 on the 12/C scale.

The relative atomic mass of an ELEMENT is the weighted average of the masses of the Isotopes on a scale on which

a carbon-12 atom has a mass of exactly 12 UNITS.

Could Moito Flores be leading us all up the Nuclear Atomic link with mention of the ELEMENTS.

Its such a strange term to use don't you think and they match perfectly the quote don't you think?

by Angelique 27.11.11 21:04

sijm

I agree that it does sound vaguely similar - except that I think when you quote "Franciso Moito Flores Quote-"The mystery lies with TWO of the TEN or Twelve ELEMENTS that used to enter" it is probably because elements is a wording which would mean something that affects what happened within the apartment (i.e. visitors). Who can say - until we know more it could just be a coincidence.

See here for more strange coincidences which can make one think the other way.

http://www.dailycognition.com/index.php/2007/04/12/15-strangest-coincidences-in-world-history.html.

by Cheshire Cat 28.11.11 3:23

sijm wrote:Hi Stella, new to posting so please be patient.

I have been watching this forum for ages and have noted there just may be a clue in the

Franciso Moito Flores Quote-"The mystery lies with TWO of the TEN or Twelve ELEMENTS that used to enter

the the appartment".

Names like Edmonds link to Oppenheimers and Atomic/Nuclear/Steel for Subs Industry also the

GM Isotope/X-Ray links and his Nuclear Industry Medical Monitor job, which can be hardly be said not a conflct of interest.

I have read GM has the profesion of a Heart Specialist, in particular monitoring how paitients should be treated.

I assume this job would require an extensive monitoring procedure by X-Rays, I've read X-Rays require Isotopes a by-product of Nuclear Fusion

The carbon-12 scale is a scale on which the mass of the 12/C isotope weights exactly 12 UNITS.

The two peaks in the mass spectrum shows that there are 2 isotopes of baron- with relative isotope masses of 10 and

12 on the 12/C scale.

The relative atomic mass of an ELEMENT is the weighted average of the masses of the Isotopes on a scale on which

a carbon-12 atom has a mass of exactly 12 UNITS.

Could Moito Flores be leading us all up the Nuclear Atomic link with mention of the ELEMENTS.

Its such a strange term to use don't you think and they match perfectly the quote don't you think?

I very much doubt Nuclear Subs were on the agenda at the Ocean Club. I believe the mix of people indicates a meeting to discuss the funding of an innovative medical product, nothing sinister, probably something to diagnose cardiac / respiratory problems. Edmonds may have been there as a 'Business Angel' in order to fund the commercialisation stage of a project.

However, this suggests the trip was to be more work than play and the group was much larger than nine people.

by Anders 28.11.11 11:02

Hi sijm,

great post - it is good to think laterally - remember, the main pj investigator was set up and got at, so others within the dept have to tread very carefully with what they say - it is perfectly possible that they might speak in code, perhaps to send out a subtle warning of their own - one think i am certain of is there are plenty of agendas on the go simultaneously with this case - just like there was with dr kelly, john smith, robin cook, that guy who just died in the toilet at glasto - all reel of govt dark forces, as her majesty called them all too accurately - kelly predicted his death in the woods, diana a car crash...
gm has all the traits of a psychopath, km of the stockholm syndrome, and for a ctholic priest to say to 2 alleged catholics that they have deceived him, and he wants nothing more to do with them - as a lapsed catholic myself, that is as good as being excommunicated - as for the pope's meeting, he is of course one of THEM, and helped actively cover up child muder and sexual abuse, yes, PERSONALLY send out cover up memos wordwide - so we know who's side he's playing on, so of course the high profile meeting was all a stage show, it is ALL a show now as the agendas play on and the mccanns play out their roles...

by Daisy 28.11.11 12:35

Anders wrote:Hi sijm,

great post - it is good to think laterally - remember, the main pj investigator was set up and got at, so others within the dept have to tread very carefully with what they say - it is perfectly possible that they might speak in code, perhaps to send out a subtle warning of their own - one think i am certain of is there are plenty of agendas on the go simultaneously with this case - just like there was with dr kelly, john smith, robin cook, that guy who just died in the toilet at glasto - all reel of govt dark forces, as her majesty called them all too accurately - kelly predicted his death in the woods, diana a car crash...
gm has all the traits of a psychopath, km of the stockholm syndrome, and for a ctholic priest to say to 2 alleged catholics that they have deceived him, and he wants nothing more to do with them - as a lapsed catholic myself, that is as good as being excommunicated - as for the pope's meeting, he is of course one of THEM, and helped actively cover up child muder and sexual abuse, yes, PERSONALLY send out cover up memos wordwide - so we know who's side he's playing on, so of course the high profile meeting was all a stage show, it is ALL a show now as the agendas play on and the mccanns play out their roles...

Oh yes! Good post Anders. No doubt your words will be a bit too 'far fetched' for some, not for me. Welcome on board. Would this account for the unprecedented high level of political support? - Page 9 847771