Cracked Mirror: Reflections on the McCann affair - The Policemen's Tales

Ladyinred wrote:

Dee Coy wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:After MBM's reported disappearance, members of the extended family referred to her in interviews as Maddie.  It's here on the forum, can't remember where.  MR was known as Madelene.

... because MR was Madelene, then MBM had to become Madeleine after her reported disappearance even though, it would seem, she was usually known as Maddie.  IMO

So we have a girl a year or so younger than MM (nearer to 3 than 4 - taken from the linked thread) which would account for MM's unusually small height of 90cm, who liked to be called Madelene, not Maddie. So Madeleine also had to prefer to be called Madeleine despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Moreover, Madelene was abroad without her parents but as a guest of a family who were acquainted if not friends with the McCanns. This is one coincidence too many, so it must be inferred that Madelene was in PDL for a reason. Which must also suggest the possibility that Madeleine's disappearance had already happened prior to the holiday or was planned to occur during the holiday (the dogs' evidence would suggest the latter).

The alternative - another Madelene, without her family and available for possible use as a substitute with her guardians' apparent blessing, just happening to be there coincidentally with the accidental disappearance of another Madeleine is a step too far for me.

All in my opinion and not stated as fact.

Are we certain Madelene was a guest of the Naylors and her parents weren't in PDL?

Cristobel's riddler is singing in my ear again.

I believe MR was in PdL with her family but not staying at the OC.  I also remember reading here (one of Russian doll's post IIRC) that MR would not attend the creche without her friend, EN.

NickE wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:

Dee Coy wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:After MBM's reported disappearance, members of the extended family referred to her in interviews as Maddie.  It's here on the forum, can't remember where.  MR was known as Madelene.

... because MR was Madelene, then MBM had to become Madeleine after her reported disappearance even though, it would seem, she was usually known as Maddie.  IMO

So we have a girl a year or so younger than MM (nearer to 3 than 4 - taken from the linked thread) which would account for MM's unusually small height of 90cm, who liked to be called Madelene, not Maddie. So Madeleine also had to prefer to be called Madeleine despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Moreover, Madelene was abroad without her parents but as a guest of a family who were acquainted if not friends with the McCanns. This is one coincidence too many, so it must be inferred that Madelene was in PDL for a reason. Which must also suggest the possibility that Madeleine's disappearance had already happened prior to the holiday or was planned to occur during the holiday (the dogs' evidence would suggest the latter).

The alternative - another Madelene, without her family and available for possible use as a substitute with her guardians' apparent blessing, just happening to be there coincidentally with the accidental disappearance of another Madeleine is a step too far for me.

All in my opinion and not stated as fact.

Are we certain Madelene was a guest of the Naylors and her parents weren't in PDL?

Cristobel's riddler is singing in my ear again.

I believe MR was in PdL with her family but not staying at the OC.  I also remember reading here (one of Russian doll's post IIRC) that MR would not attend the creche without her friend, EN.

Still friends 2013. 
Classmates at Larmenier and Sacred Heart Catholic Primary School. 
http://larshrc.lbhf.sch.uk/sites/default/files/file_uploads/newsletter-_issue_117.pdf



I would like to see a photo of MR and compare it with an age progression image of MBM

Woofer wrote:@ DeeCoy - "So we have a girl a year or so younger than MM (nearer to 3 than 4 - taken from the linked thread)"

MHER was born in October 2003, so only 5 months younger than MBM. Parents can be found on Ancestry. 

Yes, as NickE showed - a school friend of E. N*****.

People often take their child`s school friend on holiday with them.

But they were too young to be at school in 2007, although I suppose they could have gone to the same nursery school. 

I can`t find any statements for the Naylors - anyone know why?

Where did the Naylors live and what was the wife`s name - anyone know?

NickE wrote:

Woofer wrote:@ DeeCoy - "So we have a girl a year or so younger than MM (nearer to 3 than 4 - taken from the linked thread)"

MHER was born in October 2003, so only 5 months younger than MBM. Parents can be found on Ancestry. 

Yes, as NickE showed - a school friend of E. N*****.

People often take their child`s school friend on holiday with them.

But they were too young to be at school in 2007, although I suppose they could have gone to the same nursery school. 

I can`t find any statements for the Naylors - anyone know why?

Where did the Naylors live and what was the wife`s name - anyone know?

No statements for the Naylor´s and no statements for the Edmonds.....hmmm

Ladyinred wrote:

Last night I read DP & FP's rogs - the part where they discussed sailing activities - and there was no mention of RN, although they alluded to another person.  Did they forget his name, or were they reluctant to name him?

Research_Reader wrote:

Praiaaa wrote:

Woofer wrote:In Fiona Payne`s statement, she said it was weird that KM kept checking the twins to see if they were still breathing. 

Was she grassing on her friend ?  Why else would FP bring attention to the twins being comatose?

double dose -very interesting, would explain the complicity of the T7

YES! Exactly! 

Explains one of the most potentially perplexing aspects of the case in a very simple fashion.

Carrry On Doctor wrote:I really go back and forth on when an event occurred, but perhaps the circumstances of an event can help identify when it may have occurred.


Dr Martin Roberts provides the revealing analysis of the following statements.....

In GM's claim......"And if she died, while we were in the apartment, or fell injured, why would we cover that up?" suggests that MBM did not sustain an accidental injury (otherwise they would have reported it).

Also,........"What happened is not due to our leaving the children asleep. I know it happened under other circumstances." so if they weren't leaving their children asleep, then they were there.

So, in the words of GM.....it was not an accident....and they were there, or had knowledge of it happening.

(Again, above is thanks to Dr Roberts).

It is possibly significant that it is Gerry saying these words and not Kate. Did Kate strike MBM causing her to die ?

MBM was clearly a very intelligent and challenging child - a handful for any parent. Has some event tipped Kate over the edge ?

When were tensions running high ?

The Quiz night was Tuesday, but there was also one on Sunday.

For consideration.

IMO.

j.rob wrote:
And Matt, in police statements and also in the 'Madeleine was Here' reconstruction about the 'final check at 9.30pm states that he looked into the apartment and saw the twins chests moving. In other words he saw the twins breathing. 
.

The Royal College of Nursing is quite clear about this.
In “Standards for assessing, measuring and monitoring vital signs in infants, children and young people - RCN guidance for children’s nurses and nurses working with children and young people”

they say, very simply
Infants and children less than six to seven years of
age are predominantly abdominal breathers
therefore, abdominal movements should be counted.”