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Re: 'Faked Abduction' Book - The Sun 27.01.2010
bellatrix wrote:bellatrix wrote:Re the photo of the McCanns coing out of church-was there video footage of it? In what context was it taken? I mean what had preceeded it? Had a journalist fallen over? Was a child acting up? What followed the picture? How long did the smiles last? A snapshot is a second in time and imo not always a true reflection of events.People tell me I smile my biggest and brightest smile when I am dying inside-a defence mechanism?
Is anybody able to answer this please?
Thank u Jill,unfortunately I cant get it to play
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Re: 'Faked Abduction' Book - The Sun 27.01.2010
candyfloss wrote:jkh wrote:bellatrix wrote:bellatrix wrote:Re the photo of the McCanns coing out of church-was there video footage of it? In what context was it taken? I mean what had preceeded it? Had a journalist fallen over? Was a child acting up? What followed the picture? How long did the smiles last? A snapshot is a second in time and imo not always a true reflection of events.People tell me I smile my biggest and brightest smile when I am dying inside-a defence mechanism?
Is anybody able to answer this please?
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Blimey, never seen that before, the actual video the still pictures came from. Thanks Jill. What on earth could have been so funny on such a sad and solemn day? GM is positively laughing his head off. How could he........ how can someone who has just lost their child behave like that. Words fail me, they really do.
I believe a balloon had escaped under the feet of Alex woolfall and that was what the laughter was about. You can see the crowd smiling and hear them laughing as well. Look carefully at Kates face at the beginning. See that smile she has on her face? now watch very carefully as it disappears. Her face returns to sadness. They are allowed to smile occasionally, it would normally just be a moment. To not do so would be extremely suspicious IMO
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OK watched it now thanks Jill.I agree with figaro-something had happened with the balloons but it looks as if the smiles soon faded.As I said before it is just one moment in time and I for one would not judge them on it but thats just me.
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Pascal wrote:It would Vaguely. Though I guess the incident may have taken them by surprise some. Ill prepared rather than incompetent, I feel.
That I second, ill prepared rather than incompetent. They allowed themselves to be led down the garden path quite a while before they realised the path was wrong.
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I believe that our legal policies and procedures are already being brought into line with Europe.
Michael Turner and Jason McGoldrick have now been in a Hungarian jail for 100 days without a trial date, and in deplorable conditions. They were deported by the UK without an extradition hearing, under the infamous Euro Arrest Warrant, and could be held for 2 years. The EAW, proudly piloted through the European Parliament by LibDem MEP Graham Watson and nodded into law by Westminster, effectively ends the famous protection in English law known as Habeas Corpus. This 800 year old legal principle ensures that Britons cannot be imprisoned without a judicial hearing – but is not part of European legal tradition.
Times are a changing - unfortunately.
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bellatrix wrote:OK watched it now thanks Jill.I agree with figaro-something had happened with the balloons but it looks as if the smiles soon faded.As I said before it is just one moment in time and I for one would not judge them on it but thats just me.
Any explanation for the other myriad of smiles in the days after maddie was 'taken'? Can you imagine, jogging, eating lunch at the tapas, entertaining friends in the swimming pool and worrying about your tesco order after your child has been 'abducted' and presumably with a paedophile? What is the explanation for the photo of them in the photo where they are beaming with the twins?
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marigold. Maybe the photographer asked them to smile?
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Any explanation for the other myriad of smiles in the days after maddie was 'taken'? Can you imagine, jogging, eating lunch at the tapas, entertaining friends in the swimming pool and worrying about your tesco order after your child has been 'abducted' and presumably with a paedophile? What is the explanation for the photo of them in the photo where they are beaming with the twins?
Indeed marigold. Add to that the vid of GM laughing his head off on the balcony on May 7th - Four days after his toddler was snatched by a paedo (but came to no harm).
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Because they were incredibly busy, really.
Because they were incredibly busy, really.
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.We might have not been physically searching, but in our own way
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY KATE.
By your own admission, you never searched for her. There was no need because you KNOW where she is. Shame on you Dr. Kate McCann. Put an end to your misery and TELL THE TRUTH.
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Whatever happened to Pants of Ganga anyway?
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Re: 'Faked Abduction' Book - The Sun 27.01.2010
maebee wrote:.We might have not been physically searching, but in our own way
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY KATE.
By your own admission, you never searched for her. There was no need because you KNOW where she is. Shame on you Dr. Kate McCann. Put an end to your misery and TELL THE TRUTH.
Maebee, they have no shame, I can't see them ever telling the truth.
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How did this not raise alarm bells? Your toddler goes missing, presumed abducted by a paedophile and within days you go jogging and within a week you admit to sleeping normally. You tell the world that she could be in the hands of a paedophile but there's no evidence that she has come to any harm.
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Me neither mari. The T9 have held out for almost 3 years. I can't see a break happening there. It's now up to Snr. Amaral.
marigold wrote:maebee wrote:.We might have not been physically searching, but in our own way
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY KATE.
By your own admission, you never searched for her. There was no need because you KNOW where she is. Shame on you Dr. Kate McCann. Put an end to your misery and TELL THE TRUTH.
Maebee, they have no shame, I can't see them ever telling the truth.
Me neither mari. The T9 have held out for almost 3 years. I can't see a break happening there. It's now up to Snr. Amaral.
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maebee...maybee not
maebee wrote:How did this not raise alarm bells? Your toddler goes missing, presumed abducted by a paedophile
Or according to someone who spoke to Dr Gerald McCann that evening, a 'paedophile couple'
and within days you go jogging
er, despite having injured your foot so badly with an Achilles tendon accident on the afternoon of 3 May that you couldn't play tennis after 'knocking up' - see David James Smith in 'The Times', 16 December 2007
and within a week you admit to sleeping normally.
5 days
You tell the world that she could be in the hands of a paedophile
but...giving him 'her tuppenceworth'...and hopefully being 'treated like a princess'
but there's no evidence that she has come to any harm.
...no evidence she has died
...no corroboratad evidence of the scent of a human corpse
...no unequivocal DNA evidence
...no evidence of any contradictions
...no evidence of any changes of story
...but the powerful evidence of Jane Tanner that she saw a purposeful, swarthy, male* abductor
* "Er, excuse me, but Tanner could have been mistaken. It might have been a woman she saw" - former Detective Inspector Dave Edgar
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Worst excuse I've ever seen
Worst excuse I've ever seen in the last two-and-a-half years on any forum to try to explain away all those smiles after Madeleine went missingfigaro wrote:marigold. Maybe the photographer asked them to smile?
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Re: 'Faked Abduction' Book - The Sun 27.01.2010
I fail to see how any excuse as you put it is relevant, neither how their smiles, frowns or behaviour being picked apart plays any part in helping find her.
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Tony Bennett wrote:Worst excuse I've ever seen in the last two-and-a-half years on any forum to try to explain away all those smiles after Madeleine went missingfigaro wrote:marigold. Maybe the photographer asked them to smile?
Doesn't that excuse just smack of desperation? They aren't just giving a watery smile but positively beaming. What are the excuses for all the other smiles and happy activities they indulged in and why are there people who support them and make these excuses. There are NO excuses. Their behaviour and speech is glaringly peculiar and suspicious in the extreme, I can't believe that some can actually think it's normal.
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Desperate times, Tony.
The cat's out the bag, Jon Dipaolo tweeted live from court that the UK police, including Scotland Yard, shared Amaral's conclusion. What more is there to say?
The cat's out the bag, Jon Dipaolo tweeted live from court that the UK police, including Scotland Yard, shared Amaral's conclusion. What more is there to say?
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twinkle wrote:I fail to see how any excuse as you put it is relevant, neither how their smiles, frowns or behaviour being picked apart plays any part in helping find her.
The chances of finding her alive are zero. They know that.
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No sorry you cannot say "they know that". You are simply stating something you think.
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But Scotland Yard agree with Amaral's thesis Twinkle.
Are you saying they're wrong?
Are you saying they're wrong?
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Ruby wrote:Desperate times, Tony.
The cat's out the bag, Jon Dipaolo tweeted live from court that the UK police, including Scotland Yard, shared Amaral's conclusion. What more is there to say?
Was it one of Amaral's witnesses that said this, or was it the judge? And was it his conclusion, or was it his decision to treat the parents a suspects very late in the day that they are said to agree with?
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Tony Bennett wrote:maebee wrote:How did this not raise alarm bells? Your toddler goes missing, presumed abducted by a paedophile
Or according to someone who spoke to Dr Gerald McCann that evening, a 'paedophile couple'
and within days you go jogging
er, despite having injured your foot so badly with an Achilles tendon accident on the afternoon of 3 May that you couldn't play tennis after 'knocking up' - see David James Smith in 'The Times', 16 December 2007
and within a week you admit to sleeping normally.
5 days
You tell the world that she could be in the hands of a paedophile
but...giving him 'her tuppenceworth'...and hopefully being 'treated like a princess'
but there's no evidence that she has come to any harm.
...no evidence she has died
...no corroboratad evidence of the scent of a human corpse
...no unequivocal DNA evidence
...no evidence of any contradictions
...no evidence of any changes of story
...but the powerful evidence of Jane Tanner that she saw a purposeful, swarthy, male* abductor
* "Er, excuse me, but Tanner could have been mistaken. It might have been a woman she saw" - former Detective Inspector Dave Edgar
And you take that sentence as what? Dave Edgar 'thinking' aloud, or something more?
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Tony Bennett wrote:Worst excuse I've ever seen in the last two-and-a-half years on any forum to try to explain away all those smiles after Madeleine went missingfigaro wrote:marigold. Maybe the photographer asked them to smile?
Why do they need an excuse for smiling?
1) Are you saying that smiling is a sign that they found their daughter dead and disposed of her?
2) At what point (in days) would you deem it appropriate to smile if your child has been abducted.
3) Do you accept it's possible that any parent with a missing child may have smiled within a time-frame you find unacceptable but that you may not have seen this smile captured on camera.
4) At what stage do parents who have disposed of their children start to smile?
5) is a smile a voluntary/involuntary reaction.
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vaguely1 wrote:Ruby wrote:Desperate times, Tony.
The cat's out the bag, Jon Dipaolo tweeted live from court that the UK police, including Scotland Yard, shared Amaral's conclusion. What more is there to say?
Was it one of Amaral's witnesses that said this, or was it the judge? And was it his conclusion, or was it his decision to treat the parents a suspects very late in the day that they are said to agree with?
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to see it all in context, but here's a sample.
Paiva: amaral's theories are based on the facts of the investigation.
4:08 PM Jan 12th from txt
Retweeted by you and 7 others
Reply Retweeted (Undo) Paiva: it was scotland yard who first thought it could be a murder case.
4:07 PM Jan 12th from txt
Reply Retweet Paiva: there was total collaboration between british and portuguese police on the case.
4:04 PM Jan 12th from txt
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Ruby wrote:vaguely1 wrote:Ruby wrote:Desperate times, Tony.
The cat's out the bag, Jon Dipaolo tweeted live from court that the UK police, including Scotland Yard, shared Amaral's conclusion. What more is there to say?
Was it one of Amaral's witnesses that said this, or was it the judge? And was it his conclusion, or was it his decision to treat the parents a suspects very late in the day that they are said to agree with?
Here you go vaguely: you really need to go back to page one of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
to see it all in context, but here's a sample.
Paiva: amaral's theories are based on the facts of the investigation.
4:08 PM Jan 12th from txt
Retweeted by you and 7 others
Reply Retweeted (Undo) Paiva: it was scotland yard who first thought it could be a murder case.
4:07 PM Jan 12th from txt
Reply Retweet Paiva: there was total collaboration between british and portuguese police on the case.
4:04 PM Jan 12th from txt
Scotland Yard, and UK police in general would have treated the McCanns as suspects (in a non confrontational manner) as soon as they arrived at the scene.
The above doesn't specify whether they believed her to have been murdered by her parents or a third party.
The scene, in the UK, would have been treated in the same way, and with the same level of care as a murder scene from the moment of arrival.
My query is more on the witnesses interpretation of the UK polices policy for dealing with these sorts of crime. It obviously differs from that of the police who were first to arrive on the scene.
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As I said vaguely, you need to read from page 1 on those tweets.
Paiva, the chief of police, certainly doesn't bring any third party into the equation.
Paiva, the chief of police, certainly doesn't bring any third party into the equation.
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