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Post by BlueBag 23.05.21 18:07

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I genuinely feel some people are 'loving' being told what to do. I was sat in the town centre today watching people walk by in the fresh air.................but they were masked up.............
Seriously.... they are f'kin idiots.

Why are so many people so stupid?
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Post by sequested 23.05.21 18:11

Looks like Cummings isn’t going to pull any punches with his comments ! They picked the wrong patsy there !!
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Post by BlueBag 23.05.21 19:02

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Looks like Cummings isn’t going to pull any punches with his comments ! They picked the wrong patsy there !!
Cummings said today (in The Sunday Times) that herd immunity strategy would have been "catastrophic".

Meanwhile in Sweden, Texas and Florida...

These people need getting rid of, Cummings is a leech... Baynard Castle...

Democracy is supposed to sort this out... isn't it?
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Post by JimbobJones 23.05.21 20:37

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I genuinely feel some people are 'loving' being told what to do. I was sat in the town centre today watching people walk by in the fresh air.................but they were masked up.............
Seriously.... they are f'kin idiots.

Why are so many people so stupid?

The ugly will not want to give up their masks.
lol4

Meanwhile, those onboard with the scam - eco-zealots have a problem rationalising the destruction caused by their discarded face nappies. The worlds oceans awash with strangling destruction courtesy of scamdemic 19.
JAIL. No Mercy.
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Post by Verdi 24.05.21 1:14

If there be even an element of truth in this report, then it's an utter disgrace to humanity. This concerns cancer patients alone, what about all the other life threatening maladies that have been pushed aside in the name of COVID-19?

Some bodies have got to pay for this catastrophic unprecedented world event, whether your believe 'the virus' is real or you believe it's a hoax - either way some bodies have got to pay!

Cancer crisis ‘replacing Covid emergency’ as 300,000 miss urgent checks


Experts warn that many were never referred by their GP or kept away for fear of adding to virus pressures facing NHS

By
Laura Donnelly,
HEALTH EDITOR
23 May 2021 • 9:45pm
England is at risk of "replacing the Covid crisis with a cancer crisis", with more than 300,000 people missing urgent checks since the start of the pandemic, experts have warned.

Official statistics show that, in the 12 months ending in March, 304,555 fewer patients were given an urgent referral to hospital by their GP because of suspected cancer.

The number referred for breast cancer checks alone dropped by more than 20,000 in 2020/21, the analysis by Cancer Research UK showed.

Overall, around 38,800 fewer patients started treatment for cancer – a drop of 12 per cent, according to the data, which covers England.

In some cases, treatment was put on hold to allow hospitals to cope with an influx of Covid patients and to protect cancer patients from virus infection.

But experts warned that many of the "missing" patients would be those who were never referred for checks by their GP after struggling to access appointments or had kept away for fear of adding to pressures on the NHS.

Cancer Research UK's chief executive, Michelle Mitchell, said: "The UK faces the real possibility of the Covid-19 crisis being replaced with a cancer crisis."

The statistics show the numbers starting treatment who were referred as an urgent case dropped by more than 17,000, increasing the risk of later diagnosis when treatment is less likely to succeed.

The charity said the "devastating" figures showed Britain was at risk of walking into a cancer crisis that could set back survival for the first time in generations.

Ms Mitchell urged anyone with possible cancer symptoms to contact their GP and keep trying if they struggled to secure an appointment. She said: "Sadly, the Covid-19 pandemic has had a devastating impact on cancer services, and the lives of cancer patients, over the past year.

"It’s not only those who've had a cancer diagnosis that we’re worried about – there are thousands of missing cancer patients out there, many of whom would ordinarily have been diagnosed through an urgent referral but haven't been because of the pandemic. Finding the missing cancer patients is a priority.

"It's vitally important that anyone who has noticed an unusual change in their body gets in touch with their GP. And if it's tricky getting an appointment, do keep trying."

It comes amid growing concern that patients are being put at risk because of poor access to GP care, with some struggling to get the right help. The Telegraph was inundated with letters from readers describing how difficult it was to see a GP after reporting the case of Joy Stokes, 69, who died from cancer after months of being refused an appointment.



Family doctors were told to introduce a system of "total triage" during the pandemic, meaning those seeking to see their GP were being discouraged and told to have an online or phone discussion first.

The system became embedded in annual guidance which took effect last month but was abolished last week amid a growing backlash.

The NHS statistics show that, between April 2020 and March 2021, 2,078,403 patients were given an urgent referral to hospital by their GP because cancer was suspected – a fall from 2,383,958 the previous year.

The 13 per cent drop followed a Government campaign urging people to "Stay Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives" and the introduction of "total triage".

In recent months, health chiefs have repeatedly urged those with symptoms that could mean cancer to contact their GPs amid concern that too many are staying away or struggling to get the appointments they need.

The number of women with suspected breast cancer who were given an urgent referral fell by 20,144 over the year, the NHS data shows, with around 425,147 in 2020/21 compared with 445,291 in the previous 12 months.

While the number of referrals fell dramatically during both the first and second Covid waves, there was a sharp rise this March as services struggled to catch up. The figures show 232,084 referrals in March, up from 174,624 in February.



Separate research by the Institute for Public Public Policy Research suggests survival rates have been set back by up to eight years, with an extra 4,500 avoidable deaths likely this year alone as a result of late diagnosis.

Charities said too many patients had been left struggling to get an appointment or been scared off seeing their GP for fear of being a burden on the health service or catching Covid.

Sara Bainbridge, the head of policy at Macmillan Cancer Support, said: "This data shows a devastating year of disruption, which has seen tens of thousands of people missing a diagnosis or experiencing changed and delayed treatment, while their chances of survival potentially worsen."

The charity said its own analysis showed a 15 per cent drop in new cancer diagnoses between March and December last year compared with the previous one.

Last autumn, the Care Quality Commission warned that poor access to family doctors could fuel delayed cancer diagnoses and deaths, with 26.7 million fewer appointments between March and August.

An NHS spokesman said: "While treating more than 400,000 people for Covid-19 throughout the pandemic has inevitably had an impact on care for other conditions, NHS staff have gone to great lengths to ensure cancer treatment could continue safely, with almost 300,000 people starting treatment and more than 2.2 million referred for cancer checks throughout the last year.

"The NHS is now going further and faster to ensure patients receive timely, expert care, with more people receiving potentially life-saving cancer checks in March than ever before, and our message remains the same – please come forward if you have a worrying sign or symptom so we can treat you as soon as possible."

Disruption, delays and changes to treatment
The pandemic has a devastating impact on healthcare, with thousands of patients suffering from other conditions facing delays as the pressures on the NHS grew, write Laura Donnelly and Lizzie Roberts.

Some patients who had already been diagnosed with cancer suffered disruption, delays and changes to their treatment amid attempts to reduce the numbers in hospital and the risk of infection.

Charities are particularly worried about the "missing cancer patients" – those who suffered worrying symptoms yet were never referred for tests.

The official figures show that, across the country in 2020/21, there were around 300,000 fewer urgent referrals by GPs for suspected cancer, while around 38,800 fewer patients started treatment. Each of these cases is far more than a statistic.

Jess Brady: Contacted GP more than 20 times, but diagnosis came too late
Jess Brady, 27, from Hertfordshire, had been planning travel adventures until she began feeling ill last summer.

When the satellite engineer started experiencing chronic fatigue and a cough she could not shrug off, doctors insisted it must be long Covid even though she had never been diagnosed with the virus.

Her symptoms grew increasingly debilitating, with weight loss and vomiting, and she got in touch with her GP repeatedly but to no avail. "Jess contacted her GP surgery on more than 20 occasions in five months and went to A&E," her mother, Andrea, said.

By November, Mrs Brady was increasingly concerned about the possibility of cancer as large, ugly glands appeared on her daughter's neck.

When they finally secured a face-to-face appointment with her GP, concerns were dismissed. "She was young, previously healthy and apparently there was no knowing how long a referral to a specialist would take," her mother wrote in Metro.

Such was Mrs Brady's concern that she secured a private hospital appointment for her daughter. Urgent tests followed, which identified stage four adenocarcinoma, which had spread throughout her body and was too advanced and aggressive to treat. She died on Dec 20, less than a month after being diagnosed.

"No parent should cradle their child as they enter this world and hold them as they leave it. Nothing could ever prepare us or can ever console us," her mother wrote. She is now campaigning for prevent cancer deaths, calling for an increase in face-to-face appointments and more urgent referral of suspected cases.

"Dealing with the real risk of Covid should not create a higher risk of cancer death in our younger generations. Action must be taken," she said.

Brian Marsden: Cancer diagnosed five months after attempts to see GP
Brian Marsden, 66, from Barnsley, South Yorkshire, first discovered an unusual mole in June last year but struggled to get a GP appointment despite repeated efforts.

After difficulties even getting through to his local surgery, he was told "we're not seeing patients" and had to push to secure an appointment.

A nurse at the practice had "a fleeting glance" at the mole and pronounced it fine, despite the fact it had been weeping and produced a scab, his daughter Clare Marsden Eastburn said.

Within a few weeks it had "aggressively grown", but again Mr Marsden could not get through to the surgery. "They resorted to sending a letter through the prescription box because they weren't even opening up, you couldn't even walk into reception to speak to someone," said Mrs Marsden Eastburn.

Eventually Mr Marsden, who owns a DIY business, was referred to hospital and diagnosed with an aggressive nodular melanoma in November – five months after first contacting his GP. Surgery to remove it only went ahead in January, when lymph nodes and nerves had to be removed because the cancer had spread.

Mr Marsden continued to worsen, suffering pain in his shoulders and arms. Scans in April established that the cancer had spread to his spine, with a further deterioration after more surgery.

Until last year, he was "really fit and healthy" and active, rising at five o clock in the morning to go flower markets and carrying around big bags of compost, his daughter said. She added: "It's like looking at an 80-year-old man now – he has just been through so much."

Michelle Bailey: Treatment disrupted as Britain entered lockdown
When Michelle Bailey, 37, was diagnosed with fast-growing and invasive breast cancer at the start of March 2020, she was told she would need a lumpectomy, chemotherapy and radiotherapy.

But as the Covid crisis took hold, the plan was changed.

"I was told 'there's been disruption to your treatment plan,'" said the mother of one from Stockport, Greater Manchester. "Instead, I would need a single mastectomy. It was a lot to take in. I'd prepared myself and talked to my son about it. To go back and be told 'we can't do that now' was a shock. But I had no choice.

Since the operation at Wythenshawe Hospital more than a year ago, there has been little follow-up. She has yet to see the surgeon for a post-operative appointment or to have a fitting for a prosthesis.

When the site of the mastectomy became sore, her GP attempted to examine her remotely.

Ms Bailey said: "My GP did a FaceTime call with me to look at the site because I was concerned about a build-up of fluid there as it was so sore. There was no physiotherapy afterwards, no support other than from charities."

Manchester University NHS Foundation Trust said it was sorry to hear about the concerns and had continued to provide cancer care throughout the pandemic.

Sherwin Hall: Suffered long delays before fatal tumours found
Sherwin Hall, 27, from Leeds, West Yorkshire, went to hospital suffering from leg pain on March 23 last year, just as Britain locked down. Despite repeated visits and begging for a scan, he was only given a course of antibiotics for a misdiagnosis of prostatitis.

After 13 hospital visits in four weeks, Mr Hall was finally given an MRI on May 26 which revealed a 14cm malignant tumour in his pelvis and 30 small tumours on his lungs. He died in December.

He had said: "I kept begging them in April and May to give me an MRI scan, but no-one would listen. Both my GP and my consultant told me that I couldn't get one because scanning services were slowed down because of the coronavirus."

His widow, LaTroya Hall, being supported by the Catch Up With Cancer Campaign, said: "I am devastated. I have lost the love of my life."

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Post by Verdi 24.05.21 1:32

This is history repeating itself - check out smallpox!

The earliest evidence was said to be in Egyptian mummies in the third century, it was finally eradicated (according to the WHO) in 1980, largely due to global vaccination.

The modernistic plan of a global united pandemic reaction has failed abysmally.   Keep up the pretense but they can't repair the damage they've caused by their egotistical vision of the perfect world.

A vaccination programme won't stop the volcano from erupting, the tidal wave engulfing an entire region, the earthquake destroying life, the bat flying up your flu.

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Post by Jill Havern 24.05.21 12:31

CDC Investigating Heart Inflammation in COVID-19 Vaccinated Teens, Young Adults


The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said it is investigating reports of heart inflammation in teenagers and young adults who have received the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus vaccine.
Noting that there have been “relatively few” reports of “mild” cases of myocarditis, the agency said that its COVID-19 Vaccine Safety Technical Work Group should investigate the matter and it should be communicated to vaccine recipients.
The agency said that vaccines using the mRNA technology—from pharmaceutical companies Pfizer and Moderna—appear to be causing the issue. Vaccines using mRNA, which are relatively uncommon, use messenger ribonucleic acid (RNA) to create a protein that prompts an immune response within an individual, while Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine instead uses an adenovirus that was rendered unable to replicate.
The reports of myocarditis have been mostly in adolescents and young adults—and are more likely occur in males rather than females. The symptoms also show up after the second dose about four days after vaccination, said the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices in a statement dated May 17.

“Most cases appear to be mild, and follow-up of cases is ongoing,” said the agency’s statement, adding that the advisory’s “members felt that information about reports of myocarditis should be communicated to providers.”
It did not say how many individuals were affected and recommended further investigation.
“Further information should be collected through medical record review about potential myocarditis cases that were reported into VAERS,” according to the CDC, referring to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. “Information about this potential adverse event should be provided to clinicians to enhance early recognition and appropriate management of persons who develop myocarditis symptoms following vaccination.”
Dr. Amesh Adalja, senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, told Reuters that some vaccines can cause myocarditis and said it’s important to monitor if it is related to the COVID-19 shots.

“Vaccines are going to unequivocally be much more beneficial outweighing this very low, if conclusively established, risk,” he said.
“It may simply be a coincidence that some people are developing myocarditis after vaccination,” Dr. Celine Gounder, an infectious disease specialist told The New York Times. “It’s more likely for something like that to happen by chance, because so many people are getting vaccinated right now.”
The Israeli Ministry of Health said in April that it is monitoring a small number of cases of people developing heart inflammation after getting Pfizer’s vaccine.
But in April, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said that officials found no link between COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis among members of the military.

“We have not seen a signal, and we’ve actually looked intentionally for the signal in the over 200 million doses we’ve given,” she said on April 27.
The Epoch Times has contacted Pfizer and Moderna for comment.


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Post by Verdi 24.05.21 13:06

Smallpox

There are side effects and risks associated with the smallpox vaccine. In the past, about 1 out of 1,000 people vaccinated for the first time experienced serious, but non-life-threatening, reactions, including toxic or allergic reaction at the site of the vaccination (erythema multiforme), spread of the vaccinia virus to other parts of the body, and to other individuals.

Potentially life-threatening reactions occurred in 14 to 500 people out of every 1 million people vaccinated for the first time. Based on past experience, it is estimated that 1 or 2 people in 1 million (0.000198 percent) who receive the vaccine may die as a result, most often the result of postvaccinial encephalitis or severe necrosis in the area of vaccination (called progressive vaccinia).

Given these risks, as smallpox became effectively eradicated and the number of naturally occurring cases fell below the number of vaccine-induced illnesses and deaths, routine childhood vaccination was discontinued in the United States in 1972 and was abandoned in most European countries in the early 1970s.  

Routine vaccination of health care workers was discontinued in the U.S. in 1976, and among military recruits in 1990 (although military personnel deploying to the Middle East and Korea still receive the vaccination).

By 1986, routine vaccination had ceased in all countries.  It is now primarily recommended for laboratory workers at risk for occupational exposure.

However, the possibility of smallpox virus being used as a biological weapon has rekindled interest in the development of newer vaccines.

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Treatment

Smallpox vaccination within three days of exposure will prevent or significantly lessen the severity of smallpox symptoms in the vast majority of people. Vaccination four to seven days after exposure can offer some protection from disease or may modify the severity of disease. Other than vaccination, treatment of smallpox is primarily supportive, such as wound care and infection control, fluid therapy, and possible ventilator assistance. Flat and hemorrhagic types of smallpox are treated with the same therapies used to treat shock, such as fluid resuscitation. People with semi-confluent and confluent types of smallpox may have therapeutic issues similar to patients with extensive skin burns.

In July 2018, the Food and Drug Administration approved tecovirimat, the first drug approved for treatment of smallpox. Antiviral treatments have improved since the last large smallpox epidemics, and studies suggest that the antiviral drug cidofovir might be useful as a therapeutic agent. The drug must be administered intravenously, and may cause serious kidney toxicity.

ACAM2000 is a smallpox vaccine developed by Acambis. It was approved for use in the United States by the U.S. FDA on August 31, 2007. It contains live vaccinia virus, cloned from the same strain used in an earlier vaccine, Dryvax. While the Dryvax virus was cultured in the skin of calves and freeze-dried, ACAM2000s virus is cultured in kidney epithelial cells (Vero cells) from an African green monkey. Efficacy and adverse reaction incidence are similar to Dryvax. The vaccine is not routinely available to the US public; it is, however, used in the military and maintained in the Strategic National Stockpile.

The mortality rate from variola minor is approximately 1%, while the mortality rate from variola major is approximately 30%.

Ordinary type-confluent is fatal about 50–75 percent of the time, ordinary-type semi-confluent about 25–50 percent of the time, in cases where the rash is discrete the case-fatality rate is less than 10 percent. The overall fatality rate for children younger than 1 year of age is 40–50 percent. Hemorrhagic and flat types have the highest fatality rates. The fatality rate for flat or late hemorrhagic type smallpox is 90 percent or greater and nearly 100 percent is observed in cases of early hemorrhagic smallpox. The case-fatality rate for variola minor is 1 percent or less. There is no evidence of chronic or recurrent infection with Variola virus. In cases of flat smallpox in vaccinated people, the condition was extremely rare but less lethal, with one case series showing a 66.7% death rate.

Prognosis

In fatal cases of ordinary smallpox, death usually occurs between the tenth and sixteenth days of the illness. The cause of death from smallpox is not clear, but the infection is now known to involve multiple organs. Circulating immune complexes, overwhelming viremia, or an uncontrolled immune response may be contributing factors. In early hemorrhagic smallpox, death occurs suddenly about six days after the fever develops. The cause of death in early hemorrhagic cases is commonly due to heart failure and pulmonary edema. In late hemorrhagic cases, high and sustained viremia, severe platelet loss and poor immune response were often cited as causes of death. In flat smallpox modes of death are similar to those in burns, with loss of fluid, protein and electrolytes, and fulminating sepsis.

Complications


Complications of smallpox arise most commonly in the respiratory system and range from simple bronchitis to fatal pneumonia. Respiratory complications tend to develop on about the eighth day of the illness and can be either viral or bacterial in origin. Secondary bacterial infection of the skin is a relatively uncommon complication of smallpox. When this occurs, the fever usually remains elevated.

Other complications include encephalitis (1 in 500 patients), which is more common in adults and may cause temporary disability; permanent pitted scars, most notably on the face; and complications involving the eyes (2 percent of all cases). Pustules can form on the eyelid, conjunctiva, and cornea, leading to complications such as conjunctivitis, keratitis, corneal ulcer, iritis, iridocyclitis, and atrophy of the optic nerve. Blindness results in approximately 35 percent to 40 percent of eyes affected with keratitis and corneal ulcer. Hemorrhagic smallpox can cause subconjunctival and retinal hemorrhages. In 2 to 5 percent of young children with smallpox, virions reach the joints and bone, causing osteomyelitis variolosa. Bony lesions are symmetrical, most common in the elbows, legs, and characteristically cause separation of the epiphysis and marked periosteal reactions. Swollen joints limit movement, and arthritis may lead to limb deformities, ankylosis, malformed bones, flail joints, and stubby fingers.

Between 65 and 80% of survivors are marked with deep pitted scars (pockmarks), most prominent on the face.

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History - Disease emergence

The earliest credible clinical evidence of smallpox is found in the descriptions of smallpox-like disease in medical writings from ancient India (as early as 1500 BCE), and China (1122 BCE), as well as a study of the Egyptian mummy of Ramses V, who died more than 3000 years ago (1145 BCE).  It has been speculated that Egyptian traders brought smallpox to India during the 1st millennium BCE, where it remained as an endemic human disease for at least 2000 years. Smallpox was probably introduced into China during the 1st century CE from the southwest, and in the 6th century was carried from China to Japan.   In Japan, the epidemic of 735–737 is believed to have killed as much as one-third of the population.  At least seven religious deities have been specifically dedicated to smallpox, such as the god Sopona in the Yoruba religion in West Africa. In India, the Hindu goddess of smallpox, Shitala, was worshipped in temples throughout the country.

A different viewpoint is that smallpox emerged 1588 CE and the earlier reported cases were incorrectly identified as smallpox.

The timing of the arrival of smallpox in Europe and south-western Asia is less clear. Smallpox is not clearly described in either the Old or New Testaments of the Bible or in the literature of the Greeks or Romans. While some have identified the Plague of Athens – which was said to have originated in "Ethiopia" and Egypt – or the plague that lifted Carthage's 396 BCE siege of Syracuse – with smallpox, many scholars agree it is very unlikely such a serious disease as variola major would have escaped being described by Hippocrates if it had existed in the Mediterranean region during his lifetime.

While the Antonine Plague that swept through the Roman Empire in 165–180 CE may have been caused by smallpox,  Saint Nicasius of Rheims became the patron saint of smallpox victims for having supposedly survived a bout in 450, and Saint Gregory of Tours recorded a similar outbreak in France and Italy in 580, the first use of the term variola. Other historians speculate that Arab armies first carried smallpox from Africa into Southwestern Europe during the 7th and 8th centuries. In the 9th century the Persian physician, Rhazes, provided one of the most definitive descriptions of smallpox and was the first to differentiate smallpox from measles and chickenpox in his Kitab fi al-jadari wa-al-hasbah (The Book of Smallpox and Measles).  During the Middle Ages several smallpox outbreaks occurred in Europe. However, smallpox had not become established there until the population growth and mobility marked by the Crusades allowed it to do so. By the 16th century, smallpox had become entrenched across most of Europe, where it had a mortality rate as high as 30 percent. This endemic occurrence of smallpox in Europe is of particular historical importance, as successive exploration and colonization by Europeans tended to spread the disease to other nations. By the 16th century, smallpox had become a predominant cause of morbidity and mortality throughout much of the world.

There were no credible descriptions of smallpox-like disease in the Americas before the westward exploration by Europeans in the 15th century CE. Smallpox was introduced into the Caribbean island of Hispaniola in 1509, and into the mainland in 1520, when Spanish settlers from Hispaniola arrived in Mexico, inadvertently carrying smallpox with them. Because the native Amerindian population had no acquired immunity to this new disease, their peoples were decimated by epidemics. Such disruption and population losses were an important factor in the Spanish achieving conquest of the Aztecs and the Incas. Similarly, English settlement of the east coast of North America in 1633 in Plymouth, Massachusetts was accompanied by devastating outbreaks of smallpox among Native American populations, and subsequently among the native-born colonists. Case fatality rates during outbreaks in Native American populations were as high as 90%.  Smallpox was introduced into Australia in 1789 and again in 1829,  though colonial surgeons, who by 1829 were attempting to distinguish between smallpox and chickenpox (which could be almost equally fatal to Aborigines), were divided as to whether the 1829–1830 epidemic was chickenpox or smallpox.  Although smallpox was never endemic on the continent, it has been described as the principal cause of death in Aboriginal populations between 1780 and 1870.

By the mid-18th century, smallpox was a major endemic disease everywhere in the world except in Australia and in small islands untouched by outside exploration. In 18th century Europe, smallpox was a leading cause of death, killing an estimated 400,000 Europeans each year. Up to 10 percent of Swedish infants died of smallpox each year, and the death rate of infants in Russia might have been even higher. The widespread use of variolation in a few countries, notably Great Britain, its North American colonies, and China, somewhat reduced the impact of smallpox among the wealthy classes during the latter part of the 18th century, but a real reduction in its incidence did not occur until vaccination became a common practice toward the end of the 19th century. Improved vaccines and the practice of re-vaccination led to a substantial reduction in cases in Europe and North America, but smallpox remained almost unchecked everywhere else in the world. By the mid-20th century, variola minor occurred along with variola major, in varying proportions, in many parts of Africa. Patients with variola minor experience only a mild systemic illness, are often ambulant throughout the course of the disease, and are therefore able to more easily spread disease. Infection with v. minor induces immunity against the more deadly variola major form. Thus, as v. minor spread all over the US, into Canada, the South American countries and Great Britain, it became the dominant form of smallpox, further reducing mortality rates.

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Post by AnneBarnard 24.05.21 20:47

Had a nice little "maskidiot" experience at the weekend.

Out for a little trip there we were - me, husband and three dogs - enjoying the sunshine and fresh air.  With husband walking the two oldest dogs, I had control of our youngest - a puppy - and of course I had to keep stopping periodically because, well, puppies are slow and they sniff at everything.

After stopping a couple of times I became aware of someone walking behind us.  I glanced around, in expectation of moving out of the way so this person could pass, as they were surely walking faster than we were.

Except what I saw was a woman wearing a face muzzle.  And as I stopped, so did she.  So I carried on walking and caught up to my husband who was a few paces ahead.  We slowed down again - and sure enough muzzle-woman slowed down too.  It dawned on me that she was making damn sure she didn't get closer than a couple of metres behind us.

I managed to surreptitiously convey this to my husband, and from then on we had a jolly good time "stopping for the puppy" a couple more times, thus making muzzle-woman also stop.  It would have made for an interesting dance routine I think.

The fun stopped when she turned off up a side path and left us to it.

One has to find joy in the little things big grin

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Post by BlueBag 25.05.21 7:09

Shamelessly stolen from another forum:

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EXPLAIN PLEASE........
 
People expect so many answers without giving anything back in return.
 
If the "tin foil hatters" are so nuts, how about the rule followers give some answers for once.
 
Explain how the flu disappeared but has been replaced with something which has the EXACT same symptoms.
 
Explain how the only proof that Covid exists is a computer modelled genome with zero physical proof.
 
Explain how you prove something into existence without going through an isolation or purification process.
 
Explain why no government agency has any quantifiable proof that "it" even exists.
 
Explain why they downgraded "Covid 19" to a non consequential infectious disease days before they declared a pandemic.
 
Explain how they pulled the coronavirus Act 2020 legislation out of their arseholes in a matter of days, despite the act being several hundred pages long.
 
Explain why they have to use bullshit criteria like "deaths for ANY reason within 28 days of a positive test".
 
Explain why they banned autopsies.
 
Explain why they changed the law to allow any practitioner to diagnose covid through observation alone, even if it is done through video consultation.
 
Explain why undertakers have seen no difference in custom.
 
Explain how all cause mortality is at an all time low.
 
Explain how millions of protesters across the globe aren't getting sick with "Covid."
 
Explain how this is the only crisis that needs an advertising campaign paired with a constant barrage of repetitive brainwashing propaganda on the TV and in the streets.
 
Explain how tens of thousands of people stood on the streets of London last Saturday but it wasn't once shown on ANY TV channel.
 
Explain how thousands were yelling "shame on you" outside the BBC HQ in both London, Manchester and Cardiff but it wasn't shown on the TV?
 
Explain how the people who are wearing the masks and following the rules are the only ones who are catching "COVID".
 
Explain how the creator of the PCR amplification tool is on record for stating that the PCR was not designed as a test for infectious diseases.
 
Explain why they are using the PCR to diagnose an infectious disease.
 
Explain why it's been changed from Covid deaths, to covid infections to covid "cases" .
 
Explain how the "anti- vaxxers" are being blamed for the rise in "cases" when the only people who could possibly be contributing to the statistics are the people who are getting the "test" in the first place.
 
Explain why the hospitals were empty during the height of the "pandemic."
 
Explain why 1000s of nurses are getting fired for saying that their hospitals were empty.
 
Explain why the hospitals are now filling up with vaccine adverse reactions but the MSM aren't reporting it.
 
Explain why kids need to be vaccinated when, by your own definitions, covid isn't dangerous to children.
 
Explain, if all the vulnerable people have already been vaccinated, why do all the healthy people need to get vaccinated if you're already protected and the recovery rate was already 99.96% without the vaccine.
 
Explain why the average age of death with "Covid" is higher than the average age of death without.
 
Explain how you can get banned from Facebook and Twitter for sharing official government links.
 
Explain why there are several class actions in progress, taking governments across the globe to court for crimes against humanity, but there is zero MSM coverage.
 
Explain why most government leaders are reading from the same script.
 
Explain how all the things that you were laughing at us for talking about last year are now becoming a reality this year.
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Post by JimbobJones 25.05.21 10:07

I can explain it.

IT IS THE BIGGEST FRAUD EVER PERPETUATED.
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Post by JimbobJones 25.05.21 10:11

And "covid19" is only their opening salvo, the "excuse virus", in this war against humanity. It is a plot many decades in the making, it is hundreds of layers deep. The LIES are blatant. The objective is obvious.
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Post by Tony Bennett 25.05.21 10:15

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I can explain it.

IT IS THE BIGGEST FRAUD EVER PERPETUATED.

I am not sure about that.

If the theory of evolution is not the biggest fraud ever perpetrated, then it certainly deserves to be right up there alongside the Covid19/Vaccination deception.

The claim by the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church to be Christian is another fraud that should be up in the top five at least

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Post by JimbobJones 25.05.21 11:20

Tony, I like your style.
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Post by Liz Eagles 25.05.21 14:25

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I can explain it.

IT IS THE BIGGEST FRAUD EVER PERPETUATED.

I am not sure about that.

If the theory of evolution is not the biggest fraud ever perpetrated, then it certainly deserves to be right up there alongside the Covid19/Vaccination deception.

The claim by the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church to be Christian is another fraud that should be up in the top five at least
I am a Christian, however I don't believe the world is only 6000 years old. 

There is too much scientific evidence to prove otherwise.

What is the most fascinating thing is there are many, many scientists and surgeons and even astronauts who believe in God and why wouldn't they. 

It isn't about how old the planet is. It's about how faith has never left.

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Post by sequested 25.05.21 15:59

The first man to get the Pfizer jab, William Shakespeare, has died aged 81. Nothing on BBC yet to say what he died of.
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Post by BlueBag 25.05.21 16:36

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:The first man to get the Pfizer jab, William Shakespeare, has died aged 81. Nothing on BBC yet to say what he died of.
2nd jab?
Blood clot?

As if they'd tell us.
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Unnatural causes
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Post by BlueBag 26.05.21 9:43

Watch carefully... when Cummings is questioned... will they mention the number of COVID deaths and will they specify "with" or "of"?

The narrative is going to be that the Government didn't crack down on us hard enough and more lives could have been saved if they did.

Meanwhile the mortality rate for the UK in 2020 ranks 39th in the last 50 years.

Elsewhere. Sweden, Texas and Florida (others too) have proved the lie.
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Post by sequested 26.05.21 10:56

William Shakespeare: First man to get Covid jab dies of unrelated illness (msn.com)

Poor Mr Shakespeare died of an "unrelated illness". Unrelated to what ? Why use that term ?

On another matter, I took a couple of flights recently (to lovely Scotland). The pre-flight "Covid safety" messages treat everyone like children. How can you social-distance in an aluminium tube ? Oh, and you're given a "Personal Protection Pack" consisting of a sachet of hand gel and an alcohol wipe. The PPP is delivered in plastic packaging and you put all the used elements into a small plastic tie-handle bag. Great for the environment, eh ?

On the full aircraft (both ways) I was the ONLY one not wearing a mask - I had my Amazon exemption lanyard/badge on display. You could see a number wished they could have joined me. But the logic is lost on most of them - we got a bottle of water and a packet of crisps each. To eat/drink, one removed the mask. Clever virus knows not to infect you at that point !!!!!!
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Post by Verdi 26.05.21 13:15



What - no masks?

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Post by Liz Eagles 26.05.21 13:24

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:William Shakespeare: First man to get Covid jab dies of unrelated illness (msn.com)

Poor Mr Shakespeare died of an "unrelated illness". Unrelated to what ? Why use that term ?

On another matter, I took a couple of flights recently (to lovely Scotland). The pre-flight "Covid safety" messages treat everyone like children. How can you social-distance in an aluminium tube ? Oh, and you're given a "Personal Protection Pack" consisting of a sachet of hand gel and an alcohol wipe. The PPP is delivered in plastic packaging and you put all the used elements into a small plastic tie-handle bag. Great for the environment, eh ?

On the full aircraft (both ways) I was the ONLY one not wearing a mask - I had my Amazon exemption lanyard/badge on display. You could see a number wished they could have joined me. But the logic is lost on most of them - we got a bottle of water and a packet of crisps each. To eat/drink, one removed the mask. Clever virus knows not to infect you at that point !!!!!!
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