Re: Digging to start next week (continuation of automatically locked thread) - UPDATE... starting today 2/6/14

[Justformaddie]

IMO all evidence points to mbm death, there's not one bit that points to her being alive after 3rd may 07. If there was one tiny bit that she is I'd have hoped and prayed that she would be back home safe in her parents arms.

[jeanmonroe]

[plebgate]

And from their facebook page:


11 June, 2014 - Statement from Gerry and Kate

We are very pleased that significant activity has taken place in Praia da Luz over the last 10 days with police officers and support teams from the UK working closely with the Policia Judicial and the Guarda Nacional Republicana. We are further encouraged that, despite the intensive searches, no trace of Madeleine has been found and this reinforces our belief that she could still be alive. As parents of a missing child, we have always wanted all reasonable lines of enquiry to be followed and it is gratifying to know that a substantial amount of work will take place over the coming months with close cooperation of the British and Portuguese authorities. We would like to thank all those involved for their efforts and the members of the public who have come forward with information.

Gerry and Kate

findmadeleine.com

this pair are F****** Deluded

Then compare all this drivel (and all other McCann drivel) with this quote from Kerry Needham -

'If they find Ben's bones, my life will be over.'

ah jeez I had not seen that quote before.    So blumin sad isn't it.

I think I remember the words of one reporter on the vid. where they were shown taking off the mic. phones and laughing, ?1st anniversary.   The reporter said something like they must be left to have a private life of their own. 

Yes, a marked difference imo.

[Dutchgirl]

Maddie detectives need to investigate parents!
Praia da Vitória : Portugal | Jun 12, 2014 at 1:29 AM PDT
By Chelsea Hoffman


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When will SY learn?


Where is Madeleine McCann? That's been a question of international interest for seven years so far, but most people with brains in their heads know that something is terribly suspicious in this case against the missing child's parents. That suspicion is especially strong against Kate and Gerry in Portugal, and that was made apparent recently with some meanspirited graffiti that seemed to call out the SY investigators for letting two suspects completely roam freely under their noses.
Recently graffiti was scrawled on a wall near a search site that labeled the SY police as "stupid," a sentiment that has been echoed by numerous people over the course of this charade of an investigation. It's indeed stupid that these investigators have spent several years doing everything in their power to keep from investigating, interrogating and charging the only two suspicious players in this entire case. Instead, Scotland Yard has spent over 10 Million Euros chasing after red herring after red herring after red herring when every single ounce of forensic evidence in this case points directly to Kate and Gerry McCann.
It's hard to tell what SY are actually doing in this case. On one hand, they've brought down some nasty criminals with excellent investigative work such as serial killers Myra Hindley and Ian Brady, among many others. So it's hard to call them 'stupid,' isn't it? On the other hand, it seems as though they've blatantly ignored the tidal wave of evidence against Kate and Gerry McCann -- which included DNA evidence that proved Maddie died in their rental apartment. Would intelligent, devoted detectives who are worth their flesh really treat an investigation this way?
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/17267285-maddie-detectives-need-to-investigate-parents

[ultimaThule]

Has Rothley ever been searched? Way back when?

I'm sure that it's normal procedure to search the home of any child missing in their own country but I can't imagine it could or would have been done here.

I'm just imagining the Lord and Lady of the Manor showing the peasants around their stately home!

I'm curious as to whether AR and/or any of his team have been allowed to step on Rothley Towers' welcome mat as, in the absence of a warrant, they can only wipe their feet on it by invitation, NFWTD.

I'd hazard a guess that any request on the part of the Met or any other regional police authority to attend the premises for the purposes of 'updating' the owners has been met with polite refusal citing their desire to keep their home sacrosanct for the sake of the twins and this may be why the world has not been treated to an umpteen-page spread in Hello! or similar magazine showing the grieving mother in the shocking pink bedroom of her missing daughter which, save only for the addition of 7 years' worth of birthday & christmas gifts, has been kept just as she left it.

[rustyjames]

BBC article - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27813554

The parents of missing Madeleine McCann say the fact that recent searches found no trace of their daughter reinforces their belief she could still be alive.
Kate and Gerry McCann said they were "very pleased" at the searches over the last 10 days in Praia da Luz, Portugal.
Scotland Yard said there was still a "substantial amount of work" still to do in the investigation after three areas of land were searched.
Madeleine was three when she went missing in the Algarve resort in 2007.
Scotland Yard has said the searches, carried out with Portuguese officers and covering approximately 60,000 square metres, were the "first phase of this major investigation".
In a statement released through their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, Mr and Mrs McCann said: "We are very pleased that significant activity has taken place in Praia da Luz over the last 10 days with police officers and support teams from the UK working closely with the Policia Judiciaria and the Guarda Nacional Republicana.

"We are further encouraged that despite the intensive searches, no trace of Madeleine has been found and this reinforces our belief that she could still be alive.
"As parents of a missing child, we have always wanted all reasonable lines of inquiry to be followed and it is gratifying to know that a substantial amount of work will take place over the coming months with the close co-operation of the British and Portuguese authorities.
"We would like to thank all those involved for their efforts and the members of the public who have come forward with information."

[rustyjames]

From above - Scotland Yard has said the searches, carried out with Portuguese officers and covering approximately 60,000 square metres, were the "first phase of this major investigation".

[jeanmonroe]

Surely, Operation Grange, UK investigation 'team', WOULD of HAD to 'impart' their SPECIFIC information, on which they said their 'searches' were solely based on, with the PJ, in order to search THE specified 'areas'

Otherwise, the PJ officers, involved in the 'searches', wouldn't KNOW what they were specifically 'looking for' would they?

PJ Officer: "What we looking for?"

ELITE MET Officer: "Sorry, can't tell you, national security and all that, ol' boy"

PJ Officer: "That's fookin stupid, you fookin tosser"

ELITE MET Officer: "Put a fookin sock in it"

PJ Officer: "You already did that, and left it behind, on the Snail, in that evidence bag"

IF IT SEEMS LUDICROUS, IT PROBABLY IS!

[ultimaThule]

There's no sane explanation as to why they would not accept that their daughter is likely dead.  The only reason left is that admitting it would take away the only defence they have left. Surely more people should realise this now?

They are not sane people ChippyM.

As far as narcissistic sociopath's go then they are up there with the best of them. Or worst of them depending on how you look at it.

They will go down kicking and screaming til the bitter end.

I say bitter end. Kate IMO would most likely top herself than stand up in court and face potential manslaughter charges in front of the world to see.

In the absence of a body which on forensic examination supports a charge of manslaughter, the charge will be murder, fossey.

As narcissists are not noted for accepting any responsibility for their actions, or for falling on their swords in order to avoid an opportunity to act out whatever role they choose to perform in public, I agree that it will be a case of 'kicking and screaming' but imo these antics will continue way beyond 'the bitter end' of any sentence which is handed down. .

[CynicAl]

IMO all evidence points to mbm death, there's not one bit that points to her being alive after 3rd may 07. If there was one tiny bit that she is I'd have hoped and prayed that she would be back home safe in her parents arms.

Spot on. 

There is an abundance of evidence that she is dead and that her parents know how and why. 


There is a disturbing absence Of evidence for any other theory. And that has been the case for 7 years. On justice's side is that SY couldn't even frame a dead man without his relatives taking it to court to challenge the spectacular lack of evidence and abundance of evidence pointing at the dastardly duo.

[jeanmonroe]

"We would like to thank all those involved for their efforts and the members of the public who have come forward with information." OFM.
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for THEIR efforts.............

Makes a change from, their constantly 'bleated', ALL 'OUR' efforts, on OFM page!

(they do read our posts! Well, 'Janet' does anyway.      )

Just how much 'information' can 'members of the public' come forward with?

NOBODY, repeat NOBODY, 'saw' Madeleine er, um, 'being 'abducted'/disappearing' did they?

NOT even the McCanns 'friend', Jane Tanner, as stated on national TV, in, 'The Gospel according to DCI Redwood'

[plebgate]

"We would like to thank all those involved for their efforts and the members of the public who have come forward with information." OFM.
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for THEIR efforts.............

Makes a change from, their constantly 'bleated', 'OUR' efforts, on OFM page!

(they do read our posts! Well, 'Janet' does anyway.      )

Not only read the posts,  but I believe respond on here and sometimes not always nicely.  

[Guest]

You can't have seen his foul-mouthed rants about Tony Bennett and this forum then.

He can be good at times but at others he's on a level with the most degenerate McCann supporters.

There's nothing to stop anyone from reading his blogs if they want to.

I can only repeat my earlier comment that this was the reason for the ban.

It wasn't an isolated incident - he has produced several absolutely vile outpourings about this forum.

No more   posts here please.    

Thank you NFWTD.  Admin has made it clear that links and copied blogs are not allowed here.  It is her house so to speak, and whilst in her house you abide by her rules.  I am all for no censorship, and yes Blacksmith writes some excellent blogs, but his attacks on Tony and this forum were nothing short of disgusting and that is why no links are allowed.  You are quite at liberty to go and read there though so let that be and end to it.

Gollum: this has probably got lost amongst all the other posts.

The Blacksmith issue has been resolved - maybe not to everyone's satisfaction - but at least people know the reasoning for links to his blogs not being wanted.

Sorry!

[ChippyM]

Are Kate and Gerry really thanking everyone who has come forward with information, even Dr Katherine Gaspar and the Smith family?

[Silverspeed]

'No trace of Madeleine has been found'

How do they know for certain exactly what has or hasn't been found.
Unless of course they know that nothing can be found where the police have been searching.

[j.rob]

There's no sane explanation as to why they would not accept that their daughter is likely dead.  The only reason left is that admitting it would take away the only defence they have left. Surely more people should realise this now?

They are not sane people ChippyM.

As far as narcissistic sociopath's go then they are up there with the best of them. Or worst of them depending on how you look at it.

They will go down kicking and screaming til the bitter end.

I say bitter end. Kate IMO would most likely top herself than stand up in court and face potential manslaughter charges in front of the world to see.

Yes - I think they are both seriously personality-disordered. Right up there with the narcissistic sociopaths/psychopaths. And I agree - they will kick and scream and deny right to the end. They cannot allow for any other script. Never have done. 

They must just be clinging onto the hope that no hard evidence can be found.

But still - what about the dodgy 'last' photos, the dodgy creche records etc? If found to be falsified, surely that is very incriminating? Also, if Madeleine was in the kids' club every day of the holiday, as claimed by her parents and their friends. surely there would have been her DNA in the kids' club? On her bag, on toys, drink container etc etc. Plus other children would remember seeing her/playing with her. Especially Ella. The police surely would have very carefully scrutinized every single day that Madeleine was supposedly in the kid's club. Every activity. Every child she played with. And so on. This would have been so easy to do. All the records are there. All people who are traceable. Nannies who were supposed to have looked after Madeleine. If another child had been used as a 'substitute' then again, surely that child could be traced?

We used Mark Warner a few times when the children were small and they still remember quite clearly a lot of the holiday. Who they played with, what they did, the nannies and so on.  There are also tons of photos, not just ours but all the other holiday-makers who used the kids' club for their children. Masses of photos. And this was in the days before mobiles. By 2007 mobiles were widely used for taking photos, I do believe?

In terms of the dig, I suppose if other people were involved in getting rid of any evidence, or had any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance, they might not have been as careful about removing incriminating evidence as the principal players have most certainly been. 

I am still a bit confused as to why dig the ground when there are so many other potential suspicious areas to dig in (as above) metaphorically speaking. Unless it's all just a show and whitewash. 

Or are they hoping to 'flush' someone or several people out? Cannabis plants/sock? Are these 'clues'?

The game continues, I suppose.

[ChippyM]

'No trace of Madeleine has been found'

How do they know for certain exactly what has or hasn't been found.
Unless of course they know that nothing can be found where the police have been searching.

Or.. they are just repeating what was said in the police statement. 'Nothing relating to Madeleine has been found at this time'.

[PeterMac]

There's no sane explanation as to why they would not accept that their daughter is likely dead.  The only reason left is that admitting it would take away the only defence they have left. Surely more people should realise this now?

The reason is that once they admit it, then they can be questioned as to WHEN they admitted it to themselves.
And any date earlier than TODAY means that the "Fund" has been fraudulent, for however long.

reductio ad absurdam would push the realisation right back to when they were first saying it publicly in 2007, most notably in an interview.
And the "Al Capone" scenario then looms over them, the Directors / Trustees, the lawyers and the accountants

[jeanmonroe]

Child 'snatching' Burglator 1, on mobile conference call, to Burglators 2 & 3. (and 4,5,6,7 and 8?)

"The elite UK Maddie cops say they ain't found nuffink"

"Ok, we're very, very, VERY pleased about that!"

"Fcuk, that woman just SAW me SPEAKING English"

[missmar1]

And from their facebook page:


11 June, 2014 - Statement from Gerry and Kate

We are very pleased that significant activity has taken place in Praia da Luz over the last 10 days with police officers and support teams from the UK working closely with the Policia Judicial and the Guarda Nacional Republicana. We are further encouraged that, despite the intensive searches, no trace of Madeleine has been found and this reinforces our belief that she could still be alive. As parents of a missing child, we have always wanted all reasonable lines of enquiry to be followed and it is gratifying to know that a substantial amount of work will take place over the coming months with close cooperation of the British and Portuguese authorities. We would like to thank all those involved for their efforts and the members of the public who have come forward with information.

Gerry and Kate

findmadeleine.com

 The Mccann's dont get to pick and choose what they think is a reasonable line of enquiry though ...oops I forgot,  yes they do because they didn't think it was a "reasonable" line of inquiry when Kate Mccann was asked questions and refused to co-operate with the police even though she was warned she may be hindering the investigation into her child's disappearance.

[jeanmonroe]

Lighten up a bit:

made me 'chuckle' anyway.

From DM 'comments'

eurogirl, Seal Beach, 3 hours ago
There was no misspelling that's how Maddie is spelled phonetically in Portuguese. Portuguese often do this to names.

Reply:

FabCard, London, United Kingdom, 1 hour ago
They've mi-spelled the word "Inglês" which is the equivalent for the english word "English". This could be revealing that the graffiti poster was not portogeese?

PORTOGEESE?

'GEESE' from PORTO?

[fossey]

Police say this is only the "first phase of this major investigation which has been agreed with the Portuguese".


Mmmmm, i wonder what the SECOND phase is then..?

[jeanmonroe]

How FAR 'away' does one have to be, to be 'NEAR to' apartment 5A?

(mobile pings) (MET UK Police)

Say like 20 metres is regarded as 'near to' apartment 5A but 21+ metres isn't?

[sofieellis]

'No trace of Madeleine has been found'

How do they know for certain exactly what has or hasn't been found.
Unless of course they know that nothing can be found where the police have been searching.

The following quote is from the actual police statement:

At this time no evidence relating to Madeleine McCann has been identified


So that doesn't rule out the possibility that something relevant was found, but hasn't been formally identified yet, by forensics. or whoever it may have been sent to.

[fossey]

Snipped from Sky News:

Meanwhile, Mr and Mrs McCann will return to Portugal on Monday to deliver statements to the libel trial of former Portuguese police chief Goncalo Amaral, who they are suing over claims in his book The Truth Of The Lie.

Do we really think that both Mr and Mrs will be flying over to Portugal together for Monday. I don't think so.