Re: Digging to start next week (continuation of automatically locked thread) - UPDATE... starting today 2/6/14

[PeterMac]

. . . No-one knows the reason why they are searching this area,

I sincerely hope you mean No one - other than DCI Redwood and the entire command structure of the Met, and the PJ and the GNR and . . . Knows the reason why they are searching this area.
However misguided, however ridiculous it may look, a very large number of high raning people with control of many tens, if not hundreds of thousands of pounds of funds have been told the reason, and have been convinced by the reason they were given.
And know know that they WILL one day be held to account for their decisions.

[ChippyM]

"I sincerely hope you mean No one - other than DCI Redwood and the entire command structure of the Met, and the PJ and the GNR and . . . Knows the reason why they are searching this area."

   Yes PM that is definitely what I meant. I don't think us the public, or media know. So to say it's a sham is premature.

[tiny]

I always have a big box of latex gloves at home. I hope, that doesn't make me a suspect?
I agree with others that Gerry is not wearing a glove in the Jon Corner production and that it's a momentary "Spiel" of light.
Much more interesting about this particular part of the video, is what PeterMac spotted: the split second reluctance of putting a box on the spare wheel cover ...

would you take latex gloves on holiday though

[ChippyM]

They look at bit dirt-y

They do , I'm not sure why anyone would keep them, a little bit cheap-skatey maybe!

[Gillyspot]

Daffodil I don't have an answer to your question (sorry) but has anyone else noticed that the McCanns villa (moved to in July 2007) is only around 200m away from the "snail"?

Is there a link to an aerial photo with that marked up which you know of?

Can't do a screenshot at the moment but the McCanns' villa but here is a link showing their villa (at the right hand bottom of Rua Da Flores) & the "snail" is visible along with the scale.

https://www.google.pt/maps/place/8600-184+Luz/@37.0863174,-8.7363322,452m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0xd1b313e06bb3e13:0xef7864d9c488d609

[Baldrick]

They look at bit dirt-y

They do , I'm not sure why anyone would keep them, a little bit cheap-skatey maybe!

Well they did share toothbrushes

[Guest]

I always have a big box of latex gloves at home. I hope, that doesn't make me a suspect?
I agree with others that Gerry is not wearing a glove in the Jon Corner production and that it's a momentary "Spiel" of light.
Much more interesting about this particular part of the video, is what PeterMac spotted: the split second reluctance of putting a box on the spare wheel cover ...

would you take latex gloves on holiday though

***
If I'd be "forced" to stay on holiday for a couple of months, I might buy them, yes ;-)

[Guest]

I always have a big box of latex gloves at home. I hope, that doesn't make me a suspect?
I agree with others that Gerry is not wearing a glove in the Jon Corner production and that it's a momentary "Spiel" of light.
Much more interesting about this particular part of the video, is what PeterMac spotted: the split second reluctance of putting a box on the spare wheel cover ...

would you take latex gloves on holiday though

Crikey, that's a very good point tiny.   Whatever for ?   Lots of baby wipes and so on with young children and maybe buy some tough yellows for washing up or cleaning - but why grubby latex ones in a bedroom drawer ??

[sami]

I always have a big box of latex gloves at home. I hope, that doesn't make me a suspect?
I agree with others that Gerry is not wearing a glove in the Jon Corner production and that it's a momentary "Spiel" of light.
Much more interesting about this particular part of the video, is what PeterMac spotted: the split second reluctance of putting a box on the spare wheel cover ...

would you take latex gloves on holiday though

***
If I'd be "forced" to stay on holiday for a couple of months, I might buy them, yes  ;-)

I buy them when away for the summer but I don't keep them next to my bed.  Don't keep there at home either but I use them for cleaning.  

I suppose it depends on why you use them, where you keep them.   

Each to their own.

[PeterMac]

[russiandoll]

It was a cold evening on May 3rd. Tanner told us she had to go and get a fleece to put on. What parent would, A.let their child be used as a decoy on such a cold evening in only light jammies. B. not insist that she had a blanket or coat on especially as the child appeared to be in a deep sleep..... you could also interpret that as.... 'lifeless'.

The Smiths description of the man most likely fitting GM.

The very fact TM had made no mention of Smithman for five years speak volumes.
 
By logic the child in question must have been Madeleine.

   Hicks. Just because a person sees a child wearing pjs does not mean that is all that the child is clothed in.

   I always thought it was Ella O Brien being carried, because at the time I would never have estimated either twin as age 3-4.

   Why Ella? Because I never believed JT or ROB were attending to a sick child and that there was another reason why they were missing on an off at the crucial times after 9pm.

 Ella was the same age as Maddie and had similar colouring from what I have seen of her.
  I also am suspicious of her crèche attendance on 3rd pm when all apart from McCann children went to the beach. I wonder if although Maddie was
signed in,  Ella was mistaken for her that afternoon. There were a few anomalies relating to entries for Ella in the crèche records.

 btw, if these parents were as lax as claimed with their childcare on that holiday, what would a bit of cold night air be for a little while?

 not sensible, but neither was leaving a baby in a stinking full nappy, which one of the couples did.... and went to dinner leaving a sick baby in their apartment.

[sonic72]

Most know gloves were seen but he was not wearing them in the video of him packing things in the car. That has been talked about for ever and all is just a play on light in that video.

I know he was not wearing them when packing the car, but he obviously was wearing them at some point.

He isn't going to wear them whilst packing the car and allow that to be filmed. He may have innocently had them like Chatelaine innocently has them, but if he generally carries gloves with him, then he may have worn them when moving the body. But unless he did wear them when moving the body and those gloves are found, then they're no use to the investigation. A bit like the body being no use to the investigation until it's found.

[Newintown]

[quote="daffodil"]

I always have a big box of latex gloves at home. I hope, that doesn't make me a suspect?
I agree with others that Gerry is not wearing a glove in the Jon Corner production and that it's a momentary "Spiel" of light.
Much more interesting about this particular part of the video, is what PeterMac spotted: the split second reluctance of putting a box on the spare wheel cover ...

would you take latex gloves on holiday though

Crikey, that's a very good point tiny.   Whatever for ?   Lots of baby wipes and so on with young children and maybe buy some tough yellows for washing up or cleaning - but why grubby latex ones in a bedroom drawer ??[/quote]

For people who are not used to changing their own children's nappies and have "help" to do that sort of thing at home. Even baby wipes can soil ones hands with smelly pooh, much better to wear latex gloves when changing horrible pooh filled nappies one isn't used to changing.   

[sonic72]

I always have a big box of latex gloves at home. I hope, that doesn't make me a suspect?
I agree with others that Gerry is not wearing a glove in the Jon Corner production and that it's a momentary "Spiel" of light.
Much more interesting about this particular part of the video, is what PeterMac spotted: the split second reluctance of putting a box on the spare wheel cover ...

You're obviously not a suspect because you were not there, and you don't have lots of suspicion surrounding you like Gerry does!

[sonic72]

I always have a big box of latex gloves at home. I hope, that doesn't make me a suspect?
I agree with others that Gerry is not wearing a glove in the Jon Corner production and that it's a momentary "Spiel" of light.
Much more interesting about this particular part of the video, is what PeterMac spotted: the split second reluctance of putting a box on the spare wheel cover ...

would you take latex gloves on holiday though

Crikey, that's a very good point tiny.   Whatever for ?   Lots of baby wipes and so on with young children and maybe buy some tough yellows for washing up or cleaning - but why grubby latex ones in a bedroom drawer ??[/quote]

For people who are not used to changing their own children's nappies and have "help" to do that sort of thing at home.  Even baby wipes can soil ones hands with smelly pooh, much better to wear latex gloves when changing horrible pooh filled nappies one isn't used to changing.    

The gloves in the drawer have been used. Are you suggesting he flung them in the drawer after changing a shitty nappy?! They'll do for next time eh! Being a doctor he is not bothered about hygiene, hence all the 'dirty nappies' soiling up their hire car!

[Markus 2]

That is telling, what was she told .what type of nurse was she
Paediatric, old people, in the same hospital ,willing to take over Madies care?

[Guest]

I know this if O/T, but just feel the need to say isn't the internet marvellous.    All the information recorded over the years at the touch of a button (apart from that which has been whooshed).    Also the instant access to developments all over the world.

Just imagine how we could be relying solely on television and newspapers otherwise, and who trusts either now.

Communications have moved very fast in the last 7 years, probably faster than a lot of people imagined would be possible.
I apologise for this post, but now more than ever this has become so important.

[Guest]

@ sonic72 and Newintown.    I understood these gloves were disposable ?    Use once and get rid.

[Hopespringseternal]

Just been on the dear old Daily Wail site where some poor, misguided, un-informed posters are stating that the McCanns themselves are paying for this investigation. I've tried to leave a few comments to set them straight and said about the police files but hey, you can take an ass to water but you can't make it drink.... 

[Hicks]

It was a cold evening on May 3rd. Tanner told us she had to go and get a fleece to put on. What parent would, A.let their child be used as a decoy on such a cold evening in only light jammies. B. not insist that she had a blanket or coat on especially as the child appeared to be in a deep sleep..... you could also interpret that as.... 'lifeless'.

The Smiths description of the man most likely fitting GM.

The very fact TM had made no mention of Smithman for five years speak volumes.
 
By logic the child in question must have been Madeleine.

   Hicks. Just because a person sees a child wearing pjs does not mean that is all that the child is clothed in.

   I always thought it was Ella O Brien being carried, because at the time I would never have estimated either twin as age 3-4.

   Why Ella? Because I never believed JT or ROB were attending to a sick child and that there was another reason why they were missing on an off at the crucial times after 9pm.

 Ella was the same age as Maddie and had similar colouring from what I have seen of her.
  I also am suspicious of her crèche attendance on 3rd pm when all apart from McCann children went to the beach. I wonder if although Maddie was
signed in,  Ella was mistaken for her that afternoon. There were a few anomalies relating to entries for Ella in the crèche records.

 btw, if these parents were as lax as claimed with their childcare on that holiday, what would a bit of cold night air be for a little while?

 not sensible, but neither was leaving a baby in a stinking full nappy, which one of the couples did.... and went to dinner leaving a sick baby in their apartment.

Maybe, but why would JT go to the trouble of inventing a man carrying a child in pink pyjamas ? This is practically proven to be a lie as there is an independent witness who says that at 9.15 there was no a soul on the street. This person was on the balcony having a whisky. This balcony had the best view of the street. Eggman or whatever he was called, an invention to distract from the Smiths having caught GM in the act of removing his daughter from 5a. If GM was meant to be seen carrying a child the Tanner invention would not have been needed. Does that make sense?

[Newintown]

I always have a big box of latex gloves at home. I hope, that doesn't make me a suspect?
I agree with others that Gerry is not wearing a glove in the Jon Corner production and that it's a momentary "Spiel" of light.
Much more interesting about this particular part of the video, is what PeterMac spotted: the split second reluctance of putting a box on the spare wheel cover ...

would you take latex gloves on holiday though

Crikey, that's a very good point tiny.   Whatever for ?   Lots of baby wipes and so on with young children and maybe buy some tough yellows for washing up or cleaning - but why grubby latex ones in a bedroom drawer ??[/quote]

For people who are not used to changing their own children's nappies and have "help" to do that sort of thing at home.  Even baby wipes can soil ones hands with smelly pooh, much better to wear latex gloves when changing horrible pooh filled nappies one isn't used to changing.    

The gloves in the drawer have been used. Are you suggesting he flung them in the drawer after changing a shitty nappy?! They'll do for next time eh! Being a doctor he is not bothered about hygiene, hence all the 'dirty nappies' soiling up their hire car!

"Being a doctor" Gerry McCann didn't seem to be bothered about anything, i.e. leaving 3 very young children alone in an apartment, etc., etc. Leaving dirty gloves in a drawer in an apartment that didn't belong to them, and him or the Mrs didn't have to clean it out I don't suppose would matter to him either.

Having the gloves on site may have been a bonus if they had to use them for "other purposes" other than changing dirty nappies they weren't used to dealing with.

[Baldrick]

. . . No-one knows the reason why they are searching this area,

I sincerely hope you mean No one - other than DCI Redwood and the entire command structure of the Met, and the PJ and the GNR and . . .   Knows the reason why they are searching this area.
However misguided, however ridiculous it may look, a very large number of high raning people with control of many tens, if not hundreds of thousands of pounds of funds have been told the reason, and have been convinced by the reason they were given.
And know know that they WILL one day be held to account for their decisions.

It would seem to me someone in the know has spoken out. The reporters said finding the corrugated sheets was a surprise. Really?

[rainbow-fairy]

@ sonic72 and Newintown.    I understood these gloves were disposable ?    Use once and get rid.

Depends what you use them for, Daffodil - like Châtelaine, I always keep them at home.
Most hated job, peeling potatoes or grating cheese, oddly  
I wouldn't re-use them in that circumstance, but I would for light cleaning - they aren't cheap!

[canada12]

The gloves are in a drawer with a bunch of other stationery items, and they look quite dirty. Maybe they were used when changing toner in a printer, for instance...? Did they have a laser printer? If they had a laser printer, and it got jammed a few times, getting it unjammed can be a very dirty job...

[JohnyT]

...but being in the medical profession they would both have access to an unlimited supply.......just sayin'
JohnyT