Sunday Mirror

SixMillionQuid wrote:

Cherry Blossom wrote:
One man, aged 40 to 45, knocked on the door of the apartment where the McCanns were to stay on April 25 or 26 between 2.30pm and 3pm, saying that he was a charity collector.

The other, aged 25 to 30, approached a property on the Rua do Ramalhete, near the Ocean Club, at around 4pm on May 3, hours before Madeleine McCann disappeared.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-10-14/bogus-charity-collectors-hunted-by-madeleine-police/

Rehash of an old story, only now British Officers believe the conmen are Eastern European rather than Potuguese as originally thought.

Whose the source, the PJ Files?

Looks like its stuff already on the files.

We took the decision to take a family holiday before we were to move to the house.
Sal did a search of places to vacation and found the place indicated in Portugal - in the village of Mark Warner. We stayed in the same apartment that the McCann family would come to share, 5A of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

We travelled directly from Gatwick to Faro on 21 April 2007. We were transferred from the airport to our accommodation by staff of Mark Warner, and everything went well with our vacation.
...

On Wednesday or Thursday the children were sleeping in the apartment and Sal also was inside - reading a book if I am not mistaken. I was seated in the paved garden that faced the area of the pool, when I heard a male voice say "Hello". The voice came from the gate that leads to the road at the corner of the apartment and connects to the main reception area.

I stood up and I went to the man who asked me if I would be interested to contribute a donation to an orphanage in the interior mountains. I spoke with him and noticed that he had a badge with identification and that he had what seemed to me to be a book of receipts.

I thought that either he was genuine or a professional "cheat". It was then that I entered the apartment and asked Sal where was the money, and returned with a 10 euro note that I gave to him. I can not say exactly where he put the money and I think that he gave me a receipt, which I imagine that I threw away or left in Portugal. At no time did I think the individual aggressive or in any way persistent. I felt that he was genuine and it appeared to be for a good cause.

I would describe the man as polite, with good appearance and he brought with him a pamphlet. He had dark hair with slight tendency to grey, he appeared to be someone from the area with tanned skin [by the sun]. I would say that he was more than forty years old and 1.77 - 1.80cm in height - this is hard to say with certainty since I was looking down at him from the step above.
I would add that the man was robustly built but was not fat. He wore a light green polo, trousers and shoes.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAUL_GORDON.htm

This family also had young children in 5A. Bearing in mind their family's holiday habits would different to that of the McCanns why would this charity collector be interested in apartment 5A out of all the apartments in PdL?

SixMillionQuid wrote:

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This family also had young children in 5A. Bearing in mind their family's holiday habits would different to that of the McCanns why would this charity collector be interested in apartment 5A out of all the apartments in PdL?

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

SixMillionQuid wrote:

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This family also had young children in 5A. Bearing in mind their family's holiday habits would different to that of the McCanns why would this charity collector be interested in apartment 5A out of all the apartments in PdL?

I would recommend reading this excellent thread.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3044-cops-crack-madeleine-mccann-codes

SixMillionQuid wrote:

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

SixMillionQuid wrote:

[/color][/size][/font]http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAUL_GORDON.htm

This family also had young children in 5A. Bearing in mind their family's holiday habits would different to that of the McCanns why would this charity collector be interested in apartment 5A out of all the apartments in PdL?

I would recommend reading this excellent thread.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3044-cops-crack-madeleine-mccann-codes

The burglars had a special symbol for 'patio door left open' and 'take a child and don't touch valuable items'

tigger wrote:

SixMillionQuid wrote:

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

SixMillionQuid wrote:

[/color][/size][/font]http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAUL_GORDON.htm

This family also had young children in 5A. Bearing in mind their family's holiday habits would different to that of the McCanns why would this charity collector be interested in apartment 5A out of all the apartments in PdL?

I would recommend reading this excellent thread.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3044-cops-crack-madeleine-mccann-codes

The burglars had a special symbol for 'patio door left open' and 'take a child and don't touch valuable items'

I remember those 'codes'. Now why would a burglar leave a code for another burglar he clearly doesn't know, otherwise he'd just have given him a ring.
Moreover, he'd find out about the premises by burgling them, so there'd be nothing left to take.

In fact such codes do exist and are quite old, but they were used by tramps to signal whether the house owner would be likely to give them food, whether they had a fierce dog etc. that kind of thing.

kimHager wrote:Now we have two charity men, pimple man, stinky man, the tractor man...really what's next

kimHager wrote:Hahaha Andrew77R yes or the remark " they've taken her" maybe was tractor Tanner stinky potbelly pimple creche white van men and since they couldn't decide at the time which would work best left it open with a reference to they. Smart thinking on KM part. Now doctorman or mccannman definately should be sighted and investigated IMO.

jeanmonroe wrote:WHY hasn't JW ever sued the McCanns for stating he is a blatant liar, in print and on TV?

Until he does, I am adding his name to 'suspects' list.

Gerry didn't see what JW did after their 'chat' JT didn't see where Wilkins 'went' and 'what he did' after passing him..

JT didn't 'see' the 'abductor' Redwood tells us.

Maybe JW  is the 'abductor'

Went back to 5A after GM/JT had returned to tapas.

Maybe that's why he 'lied' in his statements to police about where he was 'chatting' to GM.

And that's why he has never sued them.

imo, obviously.    

jeanmonroe wrote:WHY hasn't JW ever sued the McCanns for stating he is a blatant liar, in print and on TV?

Until he does, I am adding his name to 'suspects' list.

Gerry didn't see what JW did after their 'chat' JT didn't see where Wilkins 'went' and 'what he did' after passing him..

JT didn't 'see' the 'abductor' Redwood tells us.

Maybe JW  is the 'abductor'

Went back to 5A after GM/JT had returned to tapas.

Maybe that's why he 'lied' in his statements to police about where he was 'chatting' to GM.

And that's why he has never sued them.

imo, obviously.    

canada12 wrote:There's quite a lot here about Jeremy Wilkins, witness statements, etc.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id327.html

Some thoughts:

He stated he was very reluctant to return to Portugal for a reconstruction, citing the intrusion into his life by the events. I find this a peculiar kind of reaction. Surely you'd want to do everything you could to contribute to solving the case, particularly if you had a conversation with someone right outside the flat, around the time that the crime was purported to have happened?

He spells Gerry's name with a "J" - the same way it appears on the first written timeline on the cover of the sticker book.

He's very specific about some details, but very vague about others. This man is a filmmaker. I would think he has an eagle eye and a very good memory for details.

Monty Heck wrote:

snipped:-

Why JW wasn't:
- located by the McCs in the immediate aftermath and grilled personally by them to extract the tiniest detail of anything he may have witnessed, being there   around "the time of the disappearance" as purported by themselves
or
- suspected of any involvement in the disappearance, being there around "the time of the disappearance" as purported by themselves
is beyond strange.

Almost as if they already knew he couldn't have seen anything relevant, or been involved even though he had been there on the spot at the relevant time.

Casey5 wrote:

Monty Heck wrote:

snipped:-

Why JW wasn't:
- located by the McCs in the immediate aftermath and grilled personally by them to extract the tiniest detail of anything he may have witnessed, being there   around "the time of the disappearance" as purported by themselves
or
- suspected of any involvement in the disappearance, being there around "the time of the disappearance" as purported by themselves
is beyond strange.

Almost as if they already knew he couldn't have seen anything relevant, or been involved even though he had been there on the spot at the relevant time.

Likewise, our friend Matt Oldfield. Why wasn't he pinned up against a wall by Gerry McCann demanding to know what he'd done with his daughter - Matt being the last person to enter 5A - "I never saw her" squeals Matt - "A likely tale, you couldn't have missed seeing her because the door opens from left to right" snarls Gerry.
But Gerry never seems to have suspected Matt, I wonder why?

TheTruthWillOut wrote:I believe this is is the same Bridget O'Donnell? If so, this is a interesting book she did a couple of years ago:

http://www.picador.com/authors/bridget-o-donnell    

Woofer wrote:

TheTruthWillOut wrote:I believe this is is the same Bridget O'Donnell? If so, this is a interesting book she did a couple of years ago: http://www.picador.com/authors/bridget-o-donnell

If that`s the Inspector Minahan book, yes it is the same person.  She wrote a book about child trafficking in the C19th which included high profile government people. But the poor Inspector who was trying to expose it and get justice had his life totally ruined. A true story I believe.