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1:59pm - 27 Oct 13

Never in history has a steak & wine meal caused so much misery,hurt,spin,lies,deception,intrigue,job losses slander & fortunes for the few etc.....

russiandoll wrote:apologies if posted already, don't have time to go right through this thread. The news is in the German Bild


  http://t.co/NovFRrns6M

 for those who read German.

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MADDIE CASEinformation Why were 
held back for years?

Private investigators already had the information since 2008

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Madeleine "Maddie" McCann disappeared on 3 May 2007 at the family holiday in Portugal. These phantom images, the police are looking now for a man who is said to have carried away they

Photo: Reuters, AP / dpa


27.10.2013 - 12:56 clock
Londnon -  The Maddie McCann case - he will always be mysterious! After the big TV appeal from Scotland Yard (including Germany with " unresolved reference number XY ... "), in which new knowledge and two phantom images of a suspect was released, now came out: These notes are not new at all!

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FOR SIX YEARS SHE HAS BEEN MISSINGThe case of Maddie McCann
Presenter Rudi Cerne (right) with chief investigator Andy Redwood (left) and Maddie's parents Kate and Gerry McCann

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Private investigators who had Kate and Gerry McCann hired in 2008 found witnesses who had seen a stranger with a child in her arms. There was also the man phantom image.
The information they sent to the 'Find Madeleine' Relief Fund, which supported the worldwide search for the girl. But according to "Sunday Times", had the insight in the report, the new tracks remained secret.


The then head of private investigations, Henri Exton, a former employee of the British domestic intelligence agency MI5, can not explain to this day: "We received a letter from the fund's lawyers, in which we were asked to confidentiality."
It was his firm Oakley International was even threatened with legal action for non-compliance, so Exton on. Without the written permission of the report should not be handed over to Scotland Yard.
This happened only now - and the new findings were presented by the police, along with the phantom images.
Why the muzzle? Had the findings of the case can not bring even then? Because for the Scotland Yard man is now considered a prime suspect.


The Irish Tourist Martin Smith and his family had the private investigators at the time reported that they had on the evening of Maddie's disappearance on 3 May 2007 saw about 22 clock, a man who had held a child in her arms. They also provided a description of the man.
IncreaseWith these two phantom images, the English police are searching for the now prime suspect in the Maddie case. According to private investigators determined for the McCanns in 2008, the photos were taken in 2008, according to statements from witnesses Irish
Photo: Reuters
However, the fund saw this statement is not as crucial, he shared with Henri Exton. She was "exaggerated." Rather, they wanted to focus on the testimony of a friend of the McCanns. She was also seen in the resort of a man. On the evening against 21.15 clock, also carrying a child
It is now clear: it was the girl's father, she took care of the night from a holiday resort in his apartment.
The images of the other suspects remained in the drawer - until now .
Exton and his staff are outraged. "I was totally amazed when I saw the pictures and the report on TV," the Sunday Times quoted one of them. "This is nothing new - and the phantom images are ours!"
The Maddie Relief Fund denies any wrongdoing, said in a statement with loud "Sunday Times" that "all the information that was obtained on the private road", was passed on to Scotland Yard.
There, more than 2400 notes have been received from viewers since the shows in England, Germany and Holland. The Portuguese police have taken up the investigation again.
But Maddie is gone.

susible wrote:

mouse wrote:

susible wrote:

nobodythereeither wrote:

Monty Heck wrote:

susible wrote:

Miraflores wrote:Has anyone any idea why the Sunday Times have broken ranks now? 
Presumably they can't be Carter Rucked if they can prove that what they have printed is true?

Shouldn't think so, SY will be well aware of the deliberate attempt to hide the information.  In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the Mc's and Carter Ruck have parted ways by now, if only because I doubt the Mc's will be able to afford them.

Yet despite being aware of the suppression of the e-fits AR, rather than pulling the McCs in for some detailed questioning, went along with the CW programme.  During which he stated that the e-fits and later abduction timing were new and and indeed revelatory, while knowing that the e-fits had been produced 5 years ago and had been in the hands of the McCs all that time.  The fact that what may have been vital evidence was kept back for 5 years and why that was done do not appear to have any significance for AR.  He seems to have accepted this unquestioningly and simply moved the timescale forward while ruling out the JT sighting, so feverishly promoted by the Team.  Meanwhile no-one has anything to say about the loss of this cherished sighting, when the fact they have been going up a blind alley on the strength of that testimony for 6+ years with a child still missing, is of major significance.  The way SY have handled this is frankly disturbing.

Sorry, I disagree.

SY have to get hard evidence, and they have to do whatever they have to do to get it, which probably includes keeping the McCanns sweet to some extent.

And carefully wording statements (as have the Portuguese police) to make it look as if they are following the abduction theory.

I do worry somewhat how the ST revelations today will affect the McCanns' stated willingness to take part in a reconstruction in Portugal, if they begin to realise that they have been well and truly rumbled.

What will they do now?

And why have none of the other papers taken this up, at least online?

Agree Nobodythereither...AR can question them til the cows come home and all the Mc's have to do is deny they had any involvement.  The fact that they buried a sighting is evidence of nothing, it just would not stand up in court and then the opportunity would be lost forever.  No there's still a lot of hard work to be done on the investigation side by both SY and the PJ and I do believe that they are working together and I still have faith that they will solve it.

I think the Mc's been hamstrung into the reconstruction now though, because if they back out combined with the public knowledge that they hid important information from the police, then AR might not need to use the softly softly approach anymore because the public will be baying for justice.

And I'd just like to agree with Monty again, and disagree with the poster/s above who obviously decided my support for Monty's opinion should just be edited out of this little convo. AR - was too, toor friendly with the MC's to be taken seriously....When are they packing for Germany?

??? I didn't edit out your response, I just quoted the conversation thread that I had been quoted in...Don't be so paranoid..

And I would thank you not to call me paranoid - as I didn't actually accuse you personally... I replied to Monty and whoever (don't want to point any fingers now) just decided to edit me out. I know that it is their choice, but it doesn't appear fair to edit out supporting posts to a members opinion, only to keep ones that strongly disagree. 

Are we, or are not allowed to question Andy Redwood's position on this? I'm quite happy to accept your difference of opinion with mine... And btw I did post immediately after Montyheck's good post, look a few pages back.

russiandoll wrote:apologies if posted already, don't have time to go right through this thread. The news is in the German Bild


  http://t.co/NovFRrns6M

 for those who read German.

A Google translation, russiandoll:

27.10.2013 - 12:56 clock


Londnon - The Maddie McCann case - he will always be mysterious ! After the big TV appeal from Scotland Yard ( including Germany with " unresolved reference number XY ... " ), in which new knowledge and two phantom images of a suspect was released , now came out : These notes are not new at all !
Private investigators who had Kate and Gerry McCann hired in 2008 found witnesses who had seen a stranger with a child in her arms. There was also the man phantom image.

The information they sent to the 'Find Madeleine ' Relief Fund , which supported the worldwide search for the girl. But according to "Sunday Times" , had the insight in the report, the new tracks remained secret.

Why the information was withheld for years ?

The then head of private investigations , Henri Exton , a former employee of the British domestic intelligence agency MI5 , can not explain to this day : "We received a letter from the fund 's lawyers , in which we were asked to confidentiality . "

It was his firm Oakley International was even threatened with legal action for non-compliance , so Exton on. Without the written permission of the report should not be handed over to Scotland Yard .

This happened only now - and the new findings were presented by the police , along with the phantom images .

Why the muzzle ? Had the findings of the case can not bring even then ? Because for the Scotland Yard man is now considered a prime suspect .

The important testimony

The Irish Tourist Martin Smith and his family had the private investigators at the time reported that they had on the evening of Maddie's disappearance on 3 May 2007 saw about 22 clock , a man who had held a child in her arms. They also provided a description of the man .

With these two phantom images , the English police are searching for the now prime suspect in the Maddie case . According to private investigators determined for the McCanns in 2008 , the photos were taken in 2008, according to statements from witnesses Irish
Photo: Reuters
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However, the fund saw this statement is not as crucial , he shared with Henri Exton . She was " exaggerated." Rather, they wanted to focus on the testimony of a friend of the McCanns . She was also seen in the resort of a man . On the evening against 21.15 clock , also carrying a child

It is now clear : it was the girl's father , she took care of the night from a holiday resort in his apartment .

The images of the other suspects remained in the drawer - until now.

Exton and his staff are outraged . " I was totally amazed when I saw the pictures and the report on TV ," the Sunday Times quoted one of them. "This is nothing new - and the phantom images are ours! "

The Maddie Relief Fund denies any wrongdoing , said in a statement with loud "Sunday Times" that "all the information that was obtained on the private road " , was passed on to Scotland Yard.

There, more than 2400 notes have been received from viewers since the shows in England, Germany and Holland. The Portuguese police have taken up the investigation again .

But Maddie is gone.

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@TheyFearTheHare
 
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1:59pm - 27 Oct 13

Surely the information was gathered after the case was shelved, so how could Amaral 'suppress' it? And if it was before, they would be running a private investigation in parallel to the PJ one-a BIG NO-NO!


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A statement released by the Find Madeleine fund said that “all information privately gathered during the search for Madeleine has been fully acted upon where necessary” and had been passed to Scotland Yard.'' unquote

But when?

notlongnow wrote:Never in history has a steak & wine meal caused so much misery,hurt,spin,lies,deception,intrigue,job losses slander & fortunes for the few etc.....

I know!  30 euros for a babysitter for the evening seems cheap now eh?

Not a good week for Jim Gamble! RUC Special Branch have been accused of collusion with Loyalist Paramilitaries. (While Jim was a member and head off.)
Now this!!

Truthandjustice wrote:

notlongnow wrote:Never in history has a steak & wine meal caused so much misery,hurt,spin,lies,deception,intrigue,job losses slander & fortunes for the few etc.....

I know!  30 euros for a babysitter for the evening seems cheap now eh?

Do they charge 30 euros for the evening creche at PDL then, not free?

Hi Everyone

Been lurking for a while but this is my first post. Seems the Huffington Post are picking up on this story now


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/27/madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-mi5_n_4167645.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

PeterMac wrote:ST article now safely in the hand of Gonçalo Amaral and his team.

Well done! Good to know.

ra18 wrote:Hi Everyone

Been lurking for a while but this is my first post. Seems the Huffington Post are picking up on this story now


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/27/madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-mi5_n_4167645.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Excellent!

thetruthbeknown wrote:

Truthandjustice wrote:

notlongnow wrote:Never in history has a steak & wine meal caused so much misery,hurt,spin,lies,deception,intrigue,job losses slander & fortunes for the few etc.....

I know!  30 euros for a babysitter for the evening seems cheap now eh?

Do they charge 30 euros for the evening creche at PDL then, not free?

Creche was free, but you could have a babysitter in apartment 10 euros per hour.

ra18 wrote:Hi Everyone

Been lurking for a while but this is my first post. Seems the Huffington Post are picking up on this story now


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/27/madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-mi5_n_4167645.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Welcome ra18

AOL feature the Huffington Post don't they - so that's the audience widening ever more.

Is this why esther mcvey jumped ship? What was the timing of her leaving the fund/the Fund receiving the Oakley report? I recall at one point there were a lot of departures from the Fund at the same time. Would make sense if it was around about the same time as the receipt of the report.

worriedmum wrote:

Beanie wrote:[ltr]Posted by Deuce on twitter, they really are in panic mode![/ltr]










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@TheyFearTheHare
 
@CaroleShooter
 GA was removed from case for lack of integrity and PJ, dare I say, 'suppressed' Smith sighting.
#McCann
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1:59pm - 27 Oct 13

Surely the information was gathered after the case was shelved, so how could Amaral 'suppress' it? And if it was before, they would be running a private investigation in parallel to the PJ one-a BIG NO-NO!


Quote''
A statement released by the Find Madeleine fund said that “all information privately gathered during the search for Madeleine has been fully acted upon where necessary” and had been passed to Scotland Yard.'' unquote

But when?

Oh dear, now the Fund is trying to deliberately mislead the public through dodgy sentence structures!

ra18 wrote:Hi Everyone

Been lurking for a while but this is my first post. Seems the Huffington Post are picking up on this story now


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/27/madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-mi5_n_4167645.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Welcome ra18, thank you for bringing us this.   It seems to be gathering pace. I see no comments allowed on the story.


Madeleine McCann Suspect E-Fit Produced By Former Spies In 2008 And Suppressed By Parents


Huffington Post UK | Posted: 27/10/2013 13:59 GMT | Updated: 27/10/2013 14:10 GMT

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/27/madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-mi5_n_4167645.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

mouse wrote:

susible wrote:

mouse wrote:

susible wrote:

nobodythereeither wrote:

Monty Heck wrote:

susible wrote:

Miraflores wrote:Has anyone any idea why the Sunday Times have broken ranks now? 
Presumably they can't be Carter Rucked if they can prove that what they have printed is true?

Shouldn't think so, SY will be well aware of the deliberate attempt to hide the information.  In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the Mc's and Carter Ruck have parted ways by now, if only because I doubt the Mc's will be able to afford them.

Yet despite being aware of the suppression of the e-fits AR, rather than pulling the McCs in for some detailed questioning, went along with the CW programme.  During which he stated that the e-fits and later abduction timing were new and and indeed revelatory, while knowing that the e-fits had been produced 5 years ago and had been in the hands of the McCs all that time.  The fact that what may have been vital evidence was kept back for 5 years and why that was done do not appear to have any significance for AR.  He seems to have accepted this unquestioningly and simply moved the timescale forward while ruling out the JT sighting, so feverishly promoted by the Team.  Meanwhile no-one has anything to say about the loss of this cherished sighting, when the fact they have been going up a blind alley on the strength of that testimony for 6+ years with a child still missing, is of major significance.  The way SY have handled this is frankly disturbing.

Sorry, I disagree.

SY have to get hard evidence, and they have to do whatever they have to do to get it, which probably includes keeping the McCanns sweet to some extent.

And carefully wording statements (as have the Portuguese police) to make it look as if they are following the abduction theory.

I do worry somewhat how the ST revelations today will affect the McCanns' stated willingness to take part in a reconstruction in Portugal, if they begin to realise that they have been well and truly rumbled.

What will they do now?

And why have none of the other papers taken this up, at least online?

Agree Nobodythereither...AR can question them til the cows come home and all the Mc's have to do is deny they had any involvement.  The fact that they buried a sighting is evidence of nothing, it just would not stand up in court and then the opportunity would be lost forever.  No there's still a lot of hard work to be done on the investigation side by both SY and the PJ and I do believe that they are working together and I still have faith that they will solve it.

I think the Mc's been hamstrung into the reconstruction now though, because if they back out combined with the public knowledge that they hid important information from the police, then AR might not need to use the softly softly approach anymore because the public will be baying for justice.

And I'd just like to agree with Monty again, and disagree with the poster/s above who obviously decided my support for Monty's opinion should just be edited out of this little convo. AR - was too, toor friendly with the MC's to be taken seriously....When are they packing for Germany?

??? I didn't edit out your response, I just quoted the conversation thread that I had been quoted in...Don't be so paranoid..

And I would thank you not to call me paranoid - as I didn't actually accuse you personally... I replied to Monty and whoever (don't want to point any fingers now) just decided to edit me out. I know that it is their choice, but it doesn't appear fair to edit out supporting posts to a members opinion, only to keep ones that strongly disagree. 

Are we, or are not allowed to question Andy Redwood's position on this? I'm quite happy to accept your difference of opinion with mine... And btw I did post immediately after Montyheck's good post, look a few pages back.

Mouse, no one edited your post out...I replied to someone, then Monty replied, quoting me and the post I was replying to, you then replied to Monty and then someone quoted the original 3 posts to reply to Monty as yours came later! The thread is moving very quickly and it's easy to miss things, but check back to page 32 and you can see the original posts that were quoted!

And of course people can question Andy Redwood, calling him names is frowned upon and so it should be, but there are hundreds of posts here questioning AR and SY, okay so I don't agree with them, but people can post their opinions and at the end of the day, we all want the same thing here and that is justice for Madeleine, how that is achieved is neither here nor there imo as long as it is achieved.

melisande wrote:Is this why esther mcvey jumped ship? What was the timing of her leaving the fund/the Fund receiving the Oakley report?  I recall at one point there were a lot of departures from the Fund at the same time. Would make sense if it was around about the same time as the receipt of the report.  

She took her time leaving...She must have known more than she let on. But what ever she knew, she was quite happy to set up a fund, launch the search for a missing child - whose parents she knew all along left them on their own. Now she is an MP - wonder where she stands on Child Neglect. IMO - she was hired for presentation skills and PR background...Again just my opinon. 

I do think she did leave around this time though....Too too late.

worriedmum wrote:

Beanie wrote:[ltr]Posted by Deuce on twitter, they really are in panic mode![/ltr]



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@TheyFearTheHare

@CaroleShooter
 GA was removed from case for lack of integrity and PJ, dare I say, 'suppressed' Smith sighting.
#McCan[/ltr]



1:59pm - 27 Oct 13

Surely the information was gathered after the case was shelved, so how could Amaral 'suppress' it? And if it was before, they would be running a private investigation in parallel to the PJ one-a BIG NO-NO

Quote''
A statement released by the Find Madeleine fund said that “all information privately gathered during the search for Madeleine has been fully acted upon where necessary” and had been passed to Scotland Yard.'' unquote

But when?

They are all desperately trying to discredit the ST article in any which way they can but believe me it won't work, the truth is out there for all to see.

Excuse me - this is the biggest missing person case ever.  And that missing person is a child - which makes it even bigger still.
So this detective agency uncovered information about this childs disappearance, gave the information to the parents who dismissed it
and told them to be quite otherwise.......

Now I don't know about any of you but if you tell to be quite when I know I actually stirred to action then nothing will keep my silence.
So this man had extra information, which he gave to the parents - who then decided not to act on it -  and then waited a considerable time until the story leaked.

Please.  Please this is becoming stupid now.
The biggest case in the world and he did not have the humanity, the balls, the conviction to go to someone else with this information to save a child.
He should be arrested on the spot for obstructing justice.
I again call bullshit.

Humanist wrote:Excuse me - this is the biggest missing person case ever.  And that missing person is a child - which makes it even bigger still.
So this detective agency uncovered information about this childs disappearance, gave the information to the parents who dismissed it
and told them to be quite otherwise.......

Now I don't know about any of you but if you tell to be quite when I know I actually stirred to action then nothing will keep my silence.
So this man had extra information, which he gave to the parents - who then decided not to act on it -  and then waited a considerable time until the story leaked.

Please.  Please this is becoming stupid now.
The biggest case in the world and he did not have the humanity, the balls, the conviction to go to someone else with this information to save a child.
He should be arrested on the spot for obstructing justice.
I again call bullshit.

He was threatened with legal action if he did not stick to confidentiality agreement, he would have lost everything.  It has only come out now because SY insisted and the Mcs could not refuse to give legal permission.  For a long time people were silenced with legal threat, now the tide is turning.

Humanist wrote:Excuse me - this is the biggest missing person case ever.  And that missing person is a child - which makes it even bigger still.
So this detective agency uncovered information about this childs disappearance, gave the information to the parents who dismissed it
and told them to be quite otherwise.......

Now I don't know about any of you but if you tell to be quite when I know I actually stirred to action then nothing will keep my silence.
So this man had extra information, which he gave to the parents - who then decided not to act on it -  and then waited a considerable time until the story leaked.

Please.  Please this is becoming stupid now.
The biggest case in the world and he did not have the humanity, the balls, the conviction to go to someone else with this information to save a child.
He should be arrested on the spot for obstructing justice.
I again call bullshit.

They threatened to sue him!  The McCanns were also the ones who commissioned the report and as such it was their right to suppress it, it was technically their property, why the heck should Exton be arrested?  And what makes you think it's BS?

ProfessorPPlum wrote:

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You surely wouldn't mind to give him a blue black eye too ...?


ETA It's a black eye in English and a blue eye in Dutch ...

i hope that all papers print this - i hope any forums that anyone is on gets linkys to this - i am useless so i cannot post this on forums i belong to