WOW A MUST READ -Madeleine clues hidden for five years - Sunday Times Full article now on Page 1

susible wrote:

nobodythereeither wrote:

Monty Heck wrote:

susible wrote:

Miraflores wrote:Has anyone any idea why the Sunday Times have broken ranks now? 
Presumably they can't be Carter Rucked if they can prove that what they have printed is true?

Shouldn't think so, SY will be well aware of the deliberate attempt to hide the information.  In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the Mc's and Carter Ruck have parted ways by now, if only because I doubt the Mc's will be able to afford them.

Yet despite being aware of the suppression of the e-fits AR, rather than pulling the McCs in for some detailed questioning, went along with the CW programme.  During which he stated that the e-fits and later abduction timing were new and and indeed revelatory, while knowing that the e-fits had been produced 5 years ago and had been in the hands of the McCs all that time.  The fact that what may have been vital evidence was kept back for 5 years and why that was done do not appear to have any significance for AR.  He seems to have accepted this unquestioningly and simply moved the timescale forward while ruling out the JT sighting, so feverishly promoted by the Team.  Meanwhile no-one has anything to say about the loss of this cherished sighting, when the fact they have been going up a blind alley on the strength of that testimony for 6+ years with a child still missing, is of major significance.  The way SY have handled this is frankly disturbing.

Sorry, I disagree.

SY have to get hard evidence, and they have to do whatever they have to do to get it, which probably includes keeping the McCanns sweet to some extent.

And carefully wording statements (as have the Portuguese police) to make it look as if they are following the abduction theory.

I do worry somewhat how the ST revelations today will affect the McCanns' stated willingness to take part in a reconstruction in Portugal, if they begin to realise that they have been well and truly rumbled.

What will they do now?

And why have none of the other papers taken this up, at least online?

Agree Nobodythereither...AR can question them til the cows come home and all the Mc's have to do is deny they had any involvement.  The fact that they buried a sighting is evidence of nothing, it just would not stand up in court and then the opportunity would be lost forever.  No there's still a lot of hard work to be done on the investigation side by both SY and the PJ and I do believe that they are working together and I still have faith that they will solve it.

I think the Mc's been hamstrung into the reconstruction now though, because if they back out combined with the public knowledge that they hid important information from the police, then AR might not need to use the softly softly approach anymore because the public will be baying for justice.

Okeydokey wrote:

worriedmum wrote: 

Pyewacket wrote:

worriedmum wrote:

And this is what you look like wearing handcuffs !!

      

KellyLennon wrote:Wondering how this development fits in with Clarence Mitchell proclaiming that 
"they have been 'utterly honest and utterly open' that anything the police investigation have found or may find, the McCanns will have an "innocent explanation" for!"


come on then lets hear it ....

Okeydokey wrote:One possible connection I made...Coulson and Brooks (ex Murdoch employees) are up for trial on Monday. If one thing could be done to help them in a way that didn't compromise judicial rules, it would be to undermine the testimony of those who appeared for the suppression of the free media at Leveson. The McCanns were of course prominent among those seeking to muzzle the press.

ProfessorPPlum wrote:

Okeydokey wrote:

worriedmum wrote: 

Pyewacket wrote:

worriedmum wrote:

And this is what you look like wearing handcuffs !!

      

You mean like this? 

mouse wrote:

susible wrote:

nobodythereeither wrote:

Monty Heck wrote:

susible wrote:

Miraflores wrote:Has anyone any idea why the Sunday Times have broken ranks now? 
Presumably they can't be Carter Rucked if they can prove that what they have printed is true?

Shouldn't think so, SY will be well aware of the deliberate attempt to hide the information.  In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the Mc's and Carter Ruck have parted ways by now, if only because I doubt the Mc's will be able to afford them.

Yet despite being aware of the suppression of the e-fits AR, rather than pulling the McCs in for some detailed questioning, went along with the CW programme.  During which he stated that the e-fits and later abduction timing were new and and indeed revelatory, while knowing that the e-fits had been produced 5 years ago and had been in the hands of the McCs all that time.  The fact that what may have been vital evidence was kept back for 5 years and why that was done do not appear to have any significance for AR.  He seems to have accepted this unquestioningly and simply moved the timescale forward while ruling out the JT sighting, so feverishly promoted by the Team.  Meanwhile no-one has anything to say about the loss of this cherished sighting, when the fact they have been going up a blind alley on the strength of that testimony for 6+ years with a child still missing, is of major significance.  The way SY have handled this is frankly disturbing.

Sorry, I disagree.

SY have to get hard evidence, and they have to do whatever they have to do to get it, which probably includes keeping the McCanns sweet to some extent.

And carefully wording statements (as have the Portuguese police) to make it look as if they are following the abduction theory.

I do worry somewhat how the ST revelations today will affect the McCanns' stated willingness to take part in a reconstruction in Portugal, if they begin to realise that they have been well and truly rumbled.

What will they do now?

And why have none of the other papers taken this up, at least online?

Agree Nobodythereither...AR can question them til the cows come home and all the Mc's have to do is deny they had any involvement.  The fact that they buried a sighting is evidence of nothing, it just would not stand up in court and then the opportunity would be lost forever.  No there's still a lot of hard work to be done on the investigation side by both SY and the PJ and I do believe that they are working together and I still have faith that they will solve it.

I think the Mc's been hamstrung into the reconstruction now though, because if they back out combined with the public knowledge that they hid important information from the police, then AR might not need to use the softly softly approach anymore because the public will be baying for justice.

And I'd just like to agree with Monty again, and disagree with the poster/s above who obviously decided my support for Monty's opinion should just be edited out of this little convo. AR - was too, toor friendly with the MC's to be taken seriously....When are they packing for Germany?

Monty Heck wrote:'....... despite being aware of the suppression of the e-fits AR, rather than pulling the McCs in for some detailed questioning, went along with the CW programme.  During which he stated that the e-fits and later abduction timing were new and and indeed revelatory, while knowing that the e-fits had been produced 5 years ago and had been in the hands of the McCs all that time.  The fact that what may have been vital evidence was kept back for 5 years and why that was done do not appear to have any significance for AR.  He seems to have accepted this unquestioningly and simply moved the timescale forward while ruling out the JT sighting, so feverishly promoted by the Team.  Meanwhile no-one has anything to say about the loss of this cherished sighting, when the fact they have been going up a blind alley on the strength of that testimony for 6+ years with a child still missing, is of major significance.  The way SY have handled this is frankly disturbing.'

Cristobell wrote:Heavens, I can't keep up!

Just a quite note to say that the shills have already started to attempt to blacken Henry Exton's name.  They found an old article accusing him of shoplifting, but fortunately one of ours' counteracted it with an apology from the same paper as Exton's name was cleared.  I wish I could c/p, if someone can explain to me how to do it (as if I were a 4 year old), I will happily give it a try 

Twitter name:  Rosalindhu

Cristobell wrote:Heavens, I can't keep up!

Just a quite note to say that the shills have already started to attempt to blacken Henry Exton's name.  They found an old article accusing him of shoplifting, but fortunately one of ours' counteracted it with an apology from the same paper as Exton's name was cleared.  I wish I could c/p, if someone can explain to me how to do it (as if I were a 4 year old), I will happily give it a try 

Twitter name:  Rosalindhu

loopzdaloop wrote:

Okeydokey wrote:And this is clearly a claim that Redwood knowingly misled the British people!:

"One of the Oakley investigators said last week: “I was absolutely stunned when I watched the programme . . . It most certainly wasn’t a new timeline and it certainly isn’t a new revelation. It is absolute nonsense to suggest either of those things . . . And those E-Fits you saw on Crimewatch are ours,” he said."

We know it was Redwood who claimed it was a "revelation moment".  So that is a very serious charge.

Redwood has nothing to do with this, in fact it was he who released the information via Crimewatch so trying to slag him off here shows your true colours. It was the MCCANN's that surpressed the information and according to Pat Brown threatened legal action should they divulge the Smith Sighting.

Pat Brown

WOW! I am shocked! It has just come out in the news that the #McCanns kept the Smith e-fits under wraps for 5 years! That they threatened their PIs with a lawsuit if they divulged the Smith sighting info. I knew that they ignored the Smith sighting but I didn't know they had e-fits that they could have put in Kate's book but didn't! Maybe there IS hope if this is actually in the news!

I know the veracity of the Smith Sighting was being discussed in the other thread, but surely it must be agreed that the Smith's are credible now?

Yes indeed Andy indeed brings it, but he brings it as if it was all SY work. He also suggest that it was missed by the PJ. He nowhere says that this information was available for a long time now, but suppressed by the family.

He shows him for what I thought from the first time he opened his mouth: absolutely unreliable.

jeanmonroe wrote:susible wrote:
"I don't think they were trying to gloss over the sighting or else they would just have continued to promote Tannerman and ignored Smithman altogether...."
.............................................................................

They STILL are promoting Tannerman!

Right now!

http://www.findmadeleine.com/campaigns/unidentified_people.html

Monty Heck wrote:

susible wrote:

Miraflores wrote:Has anyone any idea why the Sunday Times have broken ranks now? 
Presumably they can't be Carter Rucked if they can prove that what they have printed is true?

Shouldn't think so, SY will be well aware of the deliberate attempt to hide the information.  In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the Mc's and Carter Ruck have parted ways by now, if only because I doubt the Mc's will be able to afford them.

Yet despite being aware of the suppression of the e-fits AR, rather than pulling the McCs in for some detailed questioning, went along with the CW programme.  During which he stated that the e-fits and later abduction timing were new and and indeed revelatory, while knowing that the e-fits had been produced 5 years ago and had been in the hands of the McCs all that time.  The fact that what may have been vital evidence was kept back for 5 years and why that was done do not appear to have any significance for AR.  He seems to have accepted this unquestioningly and simply moved the timescale forward while ruling out the JT sighting, so feverishly promoted by the Team.  Meanwhile no-one has anything to say about the loss of this cherished sighting, when the fact they have been going up a blind alley on the strength of that testimony for 6+ years with a child still missing, is of major significance.  The way SY have handled this is frankly disturbing.

Cristobell wrote:Heavens, I can't keep up!

Just a quite note to say that the shills have already started to attempt to blacken Henry Exton's name.  They found an old article accusing him of shoplifting, but fortunately one of ours' counteracted it with an apology from the same paper as Exton's name was cleared.  I wish I could c/p, if someone can explain to me how to do it (as if I were a 4 year old), I will happily give it a try 

Twitter name:  Rosalindhu

tasprin wrote:I hope the rest of the media run with this story. For five years the McCanns have deliberately withheld crucial information and employed lawyers to enforce a ban to prevent the e-fits being made public, though Scotland Yard deem them crucial to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.


In 2008 the McCanns accused Portuguese police of witholding e-fits - Clarence Mitchell called it "tragic" and a "disgrace"

MIRROR
Kate and Gerry McCann's outrage at police for withholding potentially crucial evidence

5 Aug 2008

Madeleine's McCann's parents accused Portuguese detectives of withholding potentially crucial evidence from them today after police files revealed a series of previously secret leads.

Madeleine's McCann's parents accused Portuguese detectives of withholding potentially crucial evidence from them today after police files revealed a series of previously secret leads. Newly-released official documents showed officers put together e-fits of possible suspects, collected CCTV images and recorded sightings that were never made public or passed to Kate and Gerry McCann. The massive dossier of evidence included a report that a little girl calling herself "Maddy" and claiming to have been taken from her mother - was seen in Amsterdam just after Madeleine vanished. The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said it was "tragic" this kind of information should only be released now. "It is harrowing to hear a child saying that. If it was Madeleine, it was a disgrace that it was not passed on," he said. "We need to know what happened with this. This is exactly the sort of primary information that we need to know if it was followed up properly by the police. "If that hasn't been done, that is exactly the kind of information that the private investigators are going to follow up."
Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kate-and-gerry-mccanns-outrage-at-police-324218#ixzz2ivb0bSv8

tigger wrote:

Monty Heck wrote:

susible wrote:

Miraflores wrote:Has anyone any idea why the Sunday Times have broken ranks now? 
Presumably they can't be Carter Rucked if they can prove that what they have printed is true?

Shouldn't think so, SY will be well aware of the deliberate attempt to hide the information.  In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the Mc's and Carter Ruck have parted ways by now, if only because I doubt the Mc's will be able to afford them.

Yet despite being aware of the suppression of the e-fits AR, rather than pulling the McCs in for some detailed questioning, went along with the CW programme.  During which he stated that the e-fits and later abduction timing were new and and indeed revelatory, while knowing that the e-fits had been produced 5 years ago and had been in the hands of the McCs all that time.  The fact that what may have been vital evidence was kept back for 5 years and why that was done do not appear to have any significance for AR.  He seems to have accepted this unquestioningly and simply moved the timescale forward while ruling out the JT sighting, so feverishly promoted by the Team.  Meanwhile no-one has anything to say about the loss of this cherished sighting, when the fact they have been going up a blind alley on the strength of that testimony for 6+ years with a child still missing, is of major significance.  The way SY have handled this is frankly disturbing.

Totally agree Monty, disturbing is a kind and restrained choice of words. 

The way AR has presented the close cooperation with the McCanns all along was over the top. 
Leicester Police have a link to the official Madeleine site.

dentdelion wrote:Someone mentioned that they have put link or copy of Sunday Times article on a facebook page.  Which FB page would this be?  Trying to see how this happened.  I know Amarel was about to follow up Smiths in September and have them return to Portugal but that  he was pulled from the case and his successor did not pursue this lead.  So it was private investigators that got efit from Smiths and this was then not passed on?

Too busy reading up here to go out in gale to get the Sunday Times  

dentdelion wrote:Someone mentioned that they have put link or copy of Sunday Times article on a facebook page.  Which FB page would this be?  Trying to see how this happened.  I know Amarel was about to follow up Smiths in September and have them return to Portugal but that  he was pulled from the case and his successor did not pursue this lead.  So it was private investigators that got efit from Smiths and this was then not passed on?

Too busy reading up here to go out in gale to get the Sunday Times  

Instead, they focused on the Smith sighting, travelling to Ireland to interview the family and produce the E-Fits of the man they saw. Their report said the Smiths were "helpful and sincere"