Re: McCanns Easter break Donegal 2007

by MissDaisy 14.11.13 21:26

When I first read this thread last year I remember a poster called Gillyspot said she thought she had cracked the Donegal story, did she ever come back with her conclusions?

by MissDaisy 21.01.14 23:44

From the police files I was reading through a mobile phone analysis report from 29th May 2007 and found the following interesting

"two sets of calls seen during the "critical period", understood to be between 20h00 and 22h00 on 3 May 2007immediately stand out:

- Number 916... (unknown user), between 20h39 and 21h15,received 5 (five) connections from 969... ("Porto das Grutas - Sociedade Imobiliaria - Turistica");

- this same number (unknown user), at 21h01 and 21h16 also received two calls from an Irish number, 353872... (whose user can be determined if justified).

Widening the analysis period it can seen that:

- on that same day, at 17h40 and 17h48, the "Porto das Grutas" number made two calls to that Irish number (whose user can be determined if justified);

- at 11h52, the "Porto das Grutas" number made one call to the (unknown user) number. "

From - http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MOBILE_PHONE_ANALYSIS.htm

I thought I would put this here as the Irish connection still intrigues me.

by Daisy 21.01.14 23:51

MissDaisy wrote:From the police files I was reading through a mobile phone analysis report from 29th May 2007 and found the following interesting

"two sets of calls seen during the "critical period", understood to be between 20h00 and 22h00 on 3 May 2007immediately stand out:

- Number 916... (unknown user), between 20h39 and 21h15,received 5 (five) connections from 969... ("Porto das Grutas - Sociedade Imobiliaria - Turistica");

- this same number (unknown user), at 21h01 and 21h16 also received two calls from an Irish number, 353872... (whose user can be determined if justified).

Widening the analysis period it can seen that:

- on that same day, at 17h40 and 17h48, the "Porto das Grutas" number made two calls to that Irish number (whose user can be determined if justified);

- at 11h52, the "Porto das Grutas" number made one call to the (unknown user) number. "

From - http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MOBILE_PHONE_ANALYSIS.htm

I thought I would put this here as the Irish connection still intrigues me.

Me too, but sorry i can't make head nor tail of your findings. Hoping someone else can decipher? smilie

by MissDaisy 22.01.14 0:05

Sorry Daisy, I will try to make better sense of it, here's goes-

3rd May, 2007
Number 969 calls the Irish number two times between 5.40pm and 5.48pm
Number 969 calls number 916 five times between 8.39pm and 9.15pm
Irish number calls number 916 two times between 9.01pm and 9.16pm
Irish number calls number 916 at 10.49pm
Number 969 calls number 916 at 11.52pm

by Daisy 22.01.14 0:18

MissDaisy wrote:Sorry Daisy, I will try to make better sense of it, here's goes-

3rd May, 2007
Number 969 calls the Irish number two times between 5.40pm and 5.48pm
Number 969 calls number 916 five times between 8.39pm and 9.15pm
Irish number calls number 916 two times between 9.01pm and 9.16pm
Irish number calls number 916 at 10.49pm
Number 969 calls number 916 at 11.52pm

Very interesting MissDaisy, can you provide the source of this info please?

by MissDaisy 22.01.14 0:25

From the police files on this link -
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scroll a little bit down and it is the mobile phone analysis document 1629-1630.
I hope the link will work it didn't seem to work for me when I previewed the post.

by sami 22.01.14 7:22

Is that Irish phone number so called because it is registered in Ireland or because the phone was in Ireland when it was contacted ?

by MissDaisy 22.01.14 13:02

sami wrote:
Is that Irish phone number so called because it is registered in Ireland or because the phone was in Ireland when it was contacted ?

I don't know Sami, at a guess I would have thought it is an Irish landline number otherwise it would have said Irish mobile. I could be wrong though.

by bobbin 22.01.14 13:40

MissDaisy wrote:Sorry Daisy, I will try to make better sense of it, here's goes-

3rd May, 2007
Number 969 calls the Irish number two times between 5.40pm and 5.48pm
Number 969 calls number 916 five times between 8.39pm and 9.15pm
Irish number calls number 916 two times between 9.01pm and 9.16pm
Irish number calls number 916 at 10.49pm
Number 969 calls number 916 at 11.52pm

In your post above, you put 11.52, then here 11.52 pm.
Is it possible that the 11.52 is morning, since the times seem to be coming backwards from evening to 17 hours and then 11.52.

It's all very interesting but need to know if the 11.52 is am or pm to be sure.

by Curious_Bystander 22.01.14 13:47

MissDaisy wrote:
sami wrote:
Is that Irish phone number so called because it is registered in Ireland or because the phone was in Ireland when it was contacted ?
I don't know Sami, at a guess I would have thought it is an Irish landline number otherwise it would have said Irish mobile. I could be wrong though.

The number corresponds as follows:

+353 (Ireland) (0)87 2......

The "0" is dropped, following the international code, with "87" then giving a Vodafone registered mobile, in Ireland. The two is the first of the rest of the number. Wish there was the rest available...

by MissDaisy 22.01.14 13:48

bobbin wrote:
MissDaisy wrote:Sorry Daisy, I will try to make better sense of it, here's goes-
3rd May, 2007
Number 969 calls the Irish number two times between 5.40pm and 5.48pm
Number 969 calls number 916 five times between 8.39pm and 9.15pm
Irish number calls number 916 two times between 9.01pm and 9.16pm
Irish number calls number 916 at 10.49pm
Number 969 calls number 916 at 11.52pm
In your post above, you put 11.52, then here 11.52 pm.
Is it possible that the 11.52 is morning, since the times seem to be coming backwards from evening to 17 hours and then 11.52.
It's all very interesting but need to know if the 11.52 is am or pm to be sure.

Ah my mistake it should be 11.52am, it should also be 10.49 am. Feeling very embarrassed now, will try not to do such things so late in the night again. I will edit the post. Thanks for spotting.

by bobbin 22.01.14 14:26

MissDaisy wrote:
bobbin wrote:
MissDaisy wrote:Sorry Daisy, I will try to make better sense of it, here's goes-
3rd May, 2007
Number 969 calls the Irish number two times between 5.40pm and 5.48pm
Number 969 calls number 916 five times between 8.39pm and 9.15pm
Irish number calls number 916 two times between 9.01pm and 9.16pm
Irish number calls number 916 at 10.49pm
Number 969 calls number 916 at 11.52pm
In your post above, you put 11.52, then here 11.52 pm.
Is it possible that the 11.52 is morning, since the times seem to be coming backwards from evening to 17 hours and then 11.52.
It's all very interesting but need to know if the 11.52 is am or pm to be sure.
Ah my mistake it should be 11.52am, it should also be 10.49 am. Feeling very embarrassed now, will try not to do such things so late in the night again. I will edit the post. Thanks for spotting.

No problem, but it is further confusing although a local to Pd L might know.
I looked up the Porto das Grutas, Imobiliaria and the business details are confusing.

What is the address and contact information of PORTO DAS GRUTAS SOCIEDADE IMOBILIARIA-TURISTICA LDA?
PORTO DAS GRUTAS SOCIEDADE IMOBILIARIA-TURISTICA LDA is located at RUA PRAIA NR. 6 Fenais Da Luz, Portugal, 8600-156 and can be contacted by phone at ()-.
Who is the owner of PORTO DAS GRUTAS SOCIEDADE IMOBILIARIA-TURISTICA LDA?
The person who created the business is unavailable.
What type of business is PORTO DAS GRUTAS SOCIEDADE IMOBILIARIA-TURISTICA LDA?
PORTO DAS GRUTAS SOCIEDADE IMOBILIARIA-TURISTICA LDA is a business categorized under Real Estate Agents And Managers.

OK, so from google earth, Fenais da Luz is in the Azores, not in Mainland Portugal.
Portugal 8600-156 is Praia da Luz.
There is a 'Rua da Praia' in Praia da Luz but no 'Rua Praia'.

If you type in Fenais da Luz, you get the Azores, but the post code gives PdL.
So since the owner is 'not available' what is going on.
The address looks to be inconsistent and the owner unattainable. nah

by MissDaisy 22.01.14 14:37

Yes, very odd. Interesting that it comes under a real estate company though.

by sami 22.01.14 15:21

K

Curious_Bystander wrote:
MissDaisy wrote:
sami wrote:
Is that Irish phone number so called because it is registered in Ireland or because the phone was in Ireland when it was contacted ?
I don't know Sami, at a guess I would have thought it is an Irish landline number otherwise it would have said Irish mobile. I could be wrong though.

The number corresponds as follows:

+353 (Ireland) (0)87 2......

The "0" is dropped, following the international code, with "87" then giving a Vodafone registered mobile, in Ireland. The two is the first of the rest of the number. Wish there was the rest available...

Thank you. The link does not work for me, I was not being lazy. I would love to know if that phone was in PDL when it was called. Yet another Irish connection.

by MissDaisy 22.01.14 17:09

Real Estate/Estate agents keep popping up in this too.

by Guest 23.01.14 11:44

MissDaisy wrote:Real Estate/Estate agents keep popping up in this too.

It's the only game in town out there, to some extent.

Purely coincidentally trading in property is also a popular method of money laundering.

by Guest 23.01.14 16:20

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
MissDaisy wrote:Real Estate/Estate agents keep popping up in this too.

It's the only game in town out there, to some extent.

Purely coincidentally trading in property is also a popular method of money laundering.

That's interesting CR - I previously made the point on the albufeira trip thread (https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t9021-gerry-s-albufeira-trip-1994)

that both Robert Murat and GPM seem to have links with local golf clubs around Praia de Luz (further explained if you read through the Albufeira thread) - and that a lot of the golf clubs seem to also deal in real estate property:-

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Could be the only game in town out there as you say or could be linked to other activities. And the call to the PORTO DAS GRUTAS SOCIEDADE IMOBILIARIA-TURISTICA LDA on the 3rd May which is also listed as a real estate/property managing outfit (4 shareholders would dearly like to find out who).

Yes real estate/estate agents really do seem to be popping up in this a lot. Hmmm

All in my own opinion

by MissDaisy 23.01.14 17:13

Blackcat boogie, I agree, was just doing some reading on Oceanio Developments, real estate/ golf course developers in Algarve - part owned by Irish man Gerry Fagan. They also developed Estrela da luz where Martin Smith stayed. Seems they are in a spot of bother for failing to return money to investors, coincidentally one of the aggrieved investors is a UK based doctor called Gerry! (not the same one though)
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by Curious_Bystander 23.01.14 17:14

There is a Jill-sociedade De Mediação Imobiliária Lda, at #8 on Rua da Praia, in Praia da Luz. There is also a property agent-type (Cool Houses) thing at number 6A. I wonder whether this used to be a single outfit that then split, or whether there has been a change of management.

ETA - the real estate connections are interesting, but could we return to the Easter break topic? I find this fascinating, as there are so many apparent inconsistencies. Something doesn't feel right about the photos (and statements), especially with regard to the supposed timeframes.

by Daisy 23.01.14 18:20

I don't think this has been posted yet so just adding for reference.

Joe Peoples talking about the Crime Watch programme. Still maintaining he rents the pub from Eileen McCann.

Snipped: Meanwhile, a Donegal pub owner who played with Madeleine just three weeks before she disappeared said he hopes police are now close to a breakthrough in the case.

Joe Peoples rents a bar from the girl’s grandmother Eileen McCann in the village of St Johnston.

Madeleine was in the pub with her parents Kate and Gerry, when they visited Ireland before going on holiday to Portugal where she was snatched.

Mr Peoples said he feels police are getting closer and closer to finding out what happened to Madeleine.

“I do feel that they are making progress all the time and I hope the television documentary will jog people’s memories. I will be watching the documentary as I know so many millions of others will be as well. I just hope they find the wee lassie. I go down on my knees and pray like a lot of other people and she is always in my prayers.

“I just hope they find her safe and well and I hope they also find the person who took her away.”

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by MissDaisy 23.01.14 18:37

Thanks Daisy, I always feel his words seem so contrived and so sickly sweet.

by Guest 23.01.14 21:32

Is it really possible that, approaching 50 years since the McCann family left Ireland, the pub could still be owned by Eileen McCann?

Joe Peoples' saccharine-laden comments have always sounded totally insincere.

by MissDaisy 23.01.14 22:20

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Joe Peoples' saccharine-laden comments have always sounded totally insincere.

Sometimes I wonder if he knows them at all to be honest. Just my opinion.

by Gillyspot 23.01.14 22:20

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Is it really possible that, approaching 50 years since the McCann family left Ireland, the pub could still be owned by Eileen McCann?

Joe Peoples' saccharine-laden comments have always sounded totally insincere.

Well here it states it "was owned" implying is no longer owned IMO.

"
The McCann family has strong connections in Donegal, as Gerry's mother, Eileen, once lived there.
Joe Peoples runs Joe's Bar in the picturesque village of St Johnston in north-east Donegal, the pub that was owned by Eileen and her late husband, Johnny."

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by Daisy 25.01.14 22:04

MissDaisy wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Joe Peoples' saccharine-laden comments have always sounded totally insincere.
Sometimes I wonder if he knows them at all to be honest. Just my opinion.

Agree with both comments. In fact I'll go on further and say perhaps Joe Peoples doesn't really exist. I've never seen a photo or any footage of this spokesperson from Ireland.

I'm willing to be shot down though.