Re: Would this account for the unprecedented high level of political support?

by aiyoyo 07.09.11 6:27

tigger wrote:
Stella wrote:The Universal Child Database was set up in 2004, as part of the Children Act 2004. It cost £224m to set up and £41m a year to run and was backed by Margaret Hodge.

It has been heavily criticised by a wide range of groups, mainly for privacy, security and child protection reasons.

What was the point of the database?

The Labour Government said the database was set up to improve child protection by improving the way information about children was shared between services. Information that would be available to approx. 330,000 different people.

Only professionals whose job involves supporting children would be able to access the database, and they would be required to undergo enhanced Criminal Records Bureau checks and training.

The database would hold information on about 11 million children in England. Records would be kept until six years after the child turns 18, or if they leave England and Wales with no intention of returning. The database could also apply to 18–25-year-olds who were care leavers or had learning disabilities (although the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child only applies to those under 18 in England and Wales), and their permission was needed.

In May 2010, the new Coalition Government switched it off. From that date onwards, the Children Act 2004 Information Database (England) Regulations 2007, as amended in 2010, is no longer applicable.

Could this have been the brain child of a Government who was trying to pave the way for Masonichip?

Masonichip? First time I heard that term. But certainly, part of the McCann's success was that they pressed a lot of buttons with institutions who could be making a lot of money out of this. Not to mention the Big Brother aspect for the Government.
The microchipping of all infants is still a pet project amongst many, I understand. I'm sure it will happen one day.
I wonder whether Mr. E. had interests that way?
His behaviour and the letter to explain it, is very questionable. Like the McCanns, these explanations reveal more than he intends.
All these things were on the table pretty soon after the 3rd. Ceops, microchips, Amber alert.

Precisely, I find his reply very peculiar and revealing (that he is in the know of the truth). If SY intends on doing a proper review, they'd better get their acts together and interview Edmonds about the photo, as it would mean the last independent photo of Maddie on May 3rd. Also his confident remarks about 'the events as reported being correct' is very suspect given no one other the McCanns would know the truth.

And, given the inconsistencies in the McCanns and friends' testimonies, how did he know that the shutter story, or door story for that matter, is correct?

by **Tony Bennett** 07.09.11 6:42

aiyoyo wrote:Precisely, I find his reply very peculiar and revealing (that he is in the know of the truth). If SY intends on doing a proper review, they'd better get their acts together and interview Edmonds about the photo, as it would mean the last independent photo of Maddie on May 3rd. Also his confident remarks about 'the events as reported being correct' is very suspect given no one other the McCanns would know the truth.

And, given the inconsistencies in the McCanns and friends' testimonies, how did he know that the shutter story, or door story for that matter, is correct?

Maybe he was the mysterious '10th Tapas'?

Francisco Moita Flores: "I do. There are no material conditions to opt for another solution. The mystery lies with one or two of the ten or twelve individuals that used to enter that apartment".

by Guest 07.09.11 9:22

It's quite interesting that he never mentions having given a 'statement' to the PJ.

by rainbow-fairy 07.09.11 10:21

I also wondered about the 'tenth tapas' idea.
The waters look very murky today, indeed. The previous government were V keen on I'd cards, and chipping of infants looked as though it coul follow *shudder*
What better way to persuade the public than 'look what happened to Maddie, chip your children you'd be safer...'
I'd put NOTHING past that lot.

by Guest 07.09.11 10:25

If you read Moita Flores comment from a different angle, he is perhaps suggesting that the total size of the group was more like 12.

by rainbow-fairy 07.09.11 10:44

Yes indeed Stella, Moita Flores statement does suggest possibly 12 'elements'm
Just wondering, has it ever been discussed or established if Jez Wilkins and his partner Bridget O donnell (who wrote a gushing piece on the Mccanns in a newspaper piece) could have been the extra two?
Sorry if it's old ground, but not sure I've seen it covered? They all did make a real hash-up of their statements IIRC?

by Daisy 07.09.11 11:16

My post has disappeared, anyone know what happened there?

by Guest 07.09.11 11:27

Daisy wrote:My post has disappeared, anyone know what happened there?

No idea Daisy.

by IAmNotMerylStreep 07.09.11 11:31

Daisy wrote:My post has disappeared, anyone know what happened there?

Was it there at your last half-hourly check?

by **Tony Bennett** 07.09.11 11:50

Time to introduce another useful member of the Edmonds/Oppenheimer family, Philip Martin Edmonds' younger brother, David, born some two years after Philip.

He works for the BBC, doing mainly documentaries for the BBC's World Service (BBC Radio Meduim Wave, 648m).

He's also prominent in the RSA Society, which professes to bring us '21st century enlightenment'.

There's a bit about him here:

http://www.thersa.org/large-text/events/speakers-archive/e/david-edmonds

And here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/theneweurope/edmonds.htm

by Guest 07.09.11 12:18

In his spare time he enjoys sport, movies and down-market crime novels. He is studying part time for a doctorate in philosophy.

I wonder if he has ever visited here !!! Would this account for the unprecedented high level of political support? - Page 3 110921

by joan thomas 07.09.11 19:10

Didn't South African ex-cop Dannie Krugel posted on the net that he had previously mined diamoned dust with his

Quantum machines.

Dannie mapped out the area where Madeleine could be found on the beach with a DNA quantum machine.

Is the nameOppenhiemer linked to diamond minning?

Is the name Oppenhiemers linked to mining in South Aftrica?

Was the guy named Oppenhiemer the father of Atom Bomb and scientist into Quantum science?

Early spring guest in Ralph Eveliegh's B/B villa called Salsalito was one Thomas and Ann Slotos, Hamburg, Germany.

There is a Thomas Slotos an Internet Technolgien tutor who worked at Leuphana Universitat, Luneburg also on the

Universitat's list is one Christine Meyer.

by Angelique 07.09.11 23:15

Tony Bennett wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:Precisely, I find his reply very peculiar and revealing (that he is in the know of the truth). If SY intends on doing a proper review, they'd better get their acts together and interview Edmonds about the photo, as it would mean the last independent photo of Maddie on May 3rd. Also his confident remarks about 'the events as reported being correct' is very suspect given no one other the McCanns would know the truth.

And, given the inconsistencies in the McCanns and friends' testimonies, how did he know that the shutter story, or door story for that matter, is correct?
Maybe he was the mysterious '10th Tapas'?

Francisco Moita Flores: "I do. There are no material conditions to opt for another solution. The mystery lies with one or two of the ten or twelve individuals that used to enter that apartment".

I am not sure as I am a recent member and have not read all the threads on here but the quote TB has included above makes me wonder if we should be looking at these words in a different way.

The mystery lies with one or two of the ten or twelve individuals that used to enter that apartment".[/quote]

Are these "ten or twelve individuals" not any of the Tapas9 ?

by Guest 08.09.11 8:24

Now there's a thought Angelique. Would this account for the unprecedented high level of political support? - Page 3 234726

by Guest 08.09.11 8:46

David Edmonds allegedly joined the BBC World Service in 1990. After 21 years at the BBC, which is a very long time, he must be quite well known there.

I wonder if the BBC is the sort of company who goes all out to look after their own?

by Guest 08.09.11 9:01

joan thomas wrote:Didn't South African ex-cop Dannie Krugel posted on the net that he had previously mined diamoned dust with his

Quantum machines.

Dannie mapped out the area where Madeleine could be found on the beach with a DNA quantum machine.

Is the nameOppenhiemer linked to diamond minning?

Is the name Oppenhiemers linked to mining in South Aftrica?

Was the guy named Oppenhiemer the father of Atom Bomb and scientist into Quantum science?

Early spring guest in Ralph Eveliegh's B/B villa called Salsalito was one Thomas and Ann Slotos, Hamburg, Germany.

There is a Thomas Slotos an Internet Technolgien tutor who worked at Leuphana Universitat, Luneburg also on the

Universitat's list is one Christine Meyer.

Would they have anything to do with this company?

SAPO SOUTH AFRICAN PROPERTY OPPORTUNITIES PLC

by Gillyspot 08.09.11 9:07

And wasn't Clarrie a newsreader for the BBC world service?

by Guest 09.09.11 14:07

On December 9, 2010, Bathurst Resources Ltd Managing Director Hamish Bohannan announced the company’s BULLER COAL OFFTAKE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING with Stemcor Australia Pty Ltd (“Stemcor” an acronym for STEel Marketing CORporation) a subsidiary of Stemcor Holdings Ltd for the sale of coal from the Buller Project in New Zealand. Mr. Bohannan explains in Bathurst’s announcement document; “About Stemcor: …Stemcor was formed in London in 1951 and is a privately owned company. The majority of shares are held by the Oppenheimer family, represented on the Board by Ralph Oppenheimer (Executive Chairman) and Philip Edmonds (Deputy Chairman), with the balance of the shares held by employees.” [Bathurst website PDF File:
December 9, 2010, Buller Coal Offtake Memorandum of Understanding]. On December 13, 2010, in a short article about this off-take agreement between the two companies,
www.azomining.com/Details.asp?newsID=2047 the authors write, “The Australian company has now signed up the steel trader Stemcor Australia as a customer. Stemcor will also be providing finance for the coal project. It will provide $50 million by way of a finance facility.” So why did Mr Hamish Bohannan choose Stemcor for this exclusive agency agreement? Well, Mr Bohannan started off as a miner working for Goldfields in South Africa (based in London), one of the family firms owned by Harry Oppenheimer and the Oppenheimer family. In 1987 Goldfields held a 49% stake in Peabody Coal, (now the U.S.’s largest coal producer and one of the two biggest coal companies currently accused of providing donations and bribes to the majority of U.S politicians).
(see: www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Coal_money_in_politics
Atthe same time Goldfields also held a 26.2% stake in Newmont Mining Corp, in which John Dow was previously Chairman and Managing Director in Australia – before he became Chairman of Pike River Coal Ltd in New Zealand. Mr. Hamish Bohannan has also previously held an executive position with WMC (formerly called Western Mining Corporation) one of Australia’s multinational mining giants taken over by BHP Billiton. In 1930, through New Consolidated Goldfields Ltd South Africa, Oppenheimer took a 60% shareholding in Gold Mines of Australia which later became Western Mining Corporation which later came to be called WMC. Interestingly, the list of the top 20 shareholders in Western Mining Corporation (as at 31 January 2000) http://www.sea-us.org.au/roxby/fla.html were the same biggest shareholders in New Zealand Oil & Gas Ltd, the controlling shareholder of Pike River Coal Ltd.
Both Managing Director and CEO of Bathurst Resources Hamish Bohannan and Chairman of Trans-Tasman Resources Ltd (TTR) Bill W. Bisset (TTR is the company that plans to build the giant steel mill, titanium and vanadium operation in the North Island of New Zealand exploiting the rich iron sands on the west coast and running the mill with coking coal from the South Island West Coast region provided by Bathurst Resources) previously were executives of ILUKA. This company is a major player in the global mineral sands industry. It is the largest producer of zircon in the
world, with an approximate market share of one third, and is the second largest producer of titanium dioxide minerals. Outside of the core mineral sands business, Iluka has a royalty over iron ore sales revenues from specific tenements of BHP Billiton’s Mining Area C (MAC) province in the north west of Western Australia, and in the future is a likely candidate to be chosen for exploiting New Zealand’s vast iron sand and titanium resources. Both the current Chairman of Iluka George John Pizzey was formerly a Director of WMC Resources Ltd, and Chairman of Iluka’s Audit and Risk Committee Donald Marshall Morley was formerly the Chief Financial Officer and a Director of WMC Ltd controlled by the London Oppenheimer family. Many of the largest shareholders in Iluka are also the same as the largest shareholders of New Zealand Oil & Gas Ltd, the controlling shareholder of Pike River Coal Ltd. A. Geoffrey Loudon Chairman of L&M Energy and L&M Coal, (companies that are now cross shareholders in Bathurst Resources Ltd) is also Chairman of Nautilus Minerals whose three largest shareholders include giant mining company Anglo American (11.1%) controlled by the Oppenheimer family. Sir Ernest Oppenheimer founded Anglo American Corporation with JP Morgan in 1917, and today his great- grandson Nicky Oppenheimer is still a director. He is also Chairman of De Beers, the giant diamond mining company founded in 1888 by Cecil Rhodes, Bernard and Ernest Oppenheimer and the Rothschild family, which today employs over 20,000 people and still monopolizes the global diamond and precious metal markets. Today Oppenheimer / De Beers related companies control an estimated 1300 of the biggest companies and over a third of the entire commerce in South Africa. Until 2002, for a number of years Mike Oppenheimer was BHP Billiton Energy Coal president. Anglo American is also heavily funded by Barclays, BNP Parabas and Royal Bank of Scotland in which Oppenheimer and Rothschild have controlling interests. BNP Parabas is also a major shareholder in Massey Energy Company that owns Performance Coal Company Ltd whose Chairman and CEO Don L. Blankenship was accused for murdering the 29 miners on April 5, 2010, at the Upper Big Branch Mine in West Virginia U.S.A. [Of note, Blankenship’s remuneration in 2005 was $US28,834,719, 2006 – $US5,328,422, 2007 – $US9,361,000, 2008 – $US11,020,991, and 2009 – $US17,835,837. During this five year period he was paid a total remuneration package of exactly $US72,380,969].
See:www.insiders.morningstar.com/trading/executive-compensation.action? t=MEE®io

Read this and more here:

http://waterpressure.wordpress.com/page/27/?archives-list&archives-type=cats

by Guest 09.09.11 15:40

joan thomas wrote:Didn't South African ex-cop Dannie Krugel posted on the net that he had previously mined diamoned dust with his Quantum machines. Dannie mapped out the area where Madeleine could be found on the beach with a DNA quantum machine.

Is the nameOppenhiemer linked to diamond minning?

Having looked around now, I would say yes.

A very interesting find joan thomas, thank you.

by Guest 10.09.11 13:06

Tony Bennett wrote:
Philip's father and mother, Herbert and Hannah Edmonds, aged 81 and 74 resepctively, live in Bromley, Kent.

Another guest staying in OC that week, works in Bromley.

Member of the ICAEW’s Corporate Finance Faculty

Qualifications: FCA, CF, MCT, MEWI

Baker Tilly strengthens UK financial modelling capability

Published: June 15th, 2005 2:06pm
Source: IAB

Baker Tilly UK has hired financial modelling expert Alistair Hynd to boost its ability to advise banks, large corporates and the UK government.

Baker Tilly UK has hired financial modelling expert Alistair Hynd to boost its ability to advise banks, large corporates and the UK government.

Hynd joins the firm from Commerzbank where he was a senior transactor in the leveraged finance group. He started his career at KPMG where Baker Tilly said he was a founding member of the Big Four firm’s corporate finance debt advisory team.

Baker Tilly said Hynd will work on the viability of complex transactions such as project financings, mergers, acquisitions, structured financing and valuations. Head of the firm’s southern corporate finance team Andrew Killick said: "Alistair will be working alongside Richard Haycocks, who heads Baker Tilly’s project finance practice, to enhance the firm’s service offering in the key areas of building and reviewing the financial models that underpin these highly complex transactions."

Hynd will work in Baker Tilly’s Bromley office which is a part of the firm’s southern regional corporate finance practice. The practice services offices in Basingstoke, Brighton, Bromley, Crawley, Guildford and Tunbridge Wells.

Alistair Hynd, a leading financial modelling expert, joins Baker Tilly, seventh in Accountancy’s Top 60 League Table. Hynd will join the Bromley office and assist in the fast expanding southern regional corporate finance practice which serves six of Baker Tilly’s offices.

by Guest 10.09.11 13:22

Would this account for the unprecedented high level of political support? - Page 3 Hynd3may

As you can see, Alistair Hynd of Baker Tilly was booked into OC until the 5th of May.

But sometime after the reports were run on the 4th and before the day he was due to leave, he organised to stay on an extra week, keeping the same room.

by Guest 10.09.11 13:28

Would this account for the unprecedented high level of political support? - Page 3 Hynd6may

Here he is again, booked into the same room until the 12th May. Anyone else would have got the hell out of there that week, I know I would have with the press and police everywhere and the threat of a child abductor.

What is also interesting is that both he and Jayne Jensen arranged to stay on an extra week, both leaving on the 12th. What was so special about the 12th I wonder?

by Guest 10.09.11 13:33

Neil Berry stayed on an extra week, now Alistair Hynd and Jayne Jensen.

Had the PJ asked them all to stay on for some reason?

by Guest 10.09.11 13:36

Stella wrote:
Baker Tilly UK has hired financial modelling expert Alistair Hynd to boost its ability to advise banks, large corporates and the UK government.

This is now the second possible connection to the Labour Government and quite possibly Margaret Hodge MP.