Visions, hunches and hallucinations

by **Tony Bennett** 19.02.11 19:09

Judge Mental wrote:Indeed Tony Bennett. The man who dragged the dam is a good case in point. With all his nonsense of an underworld passing him information. Anything to denigrate the PJ and Amaral.

Come to think of it, all the 'psychics' seem to be with Team McCann.

We have:

* Dr Gerald McCann's vision of a dark tunnel with light at the end of it

* Dr Kate McCanns's hunch/feeling that something was going to go wrong on the holiday

* Dave Edgar becoming 'strangely convinced' that Madeleine was being held in a prison lair near Praia da Luz (more bizarre than most psychic impressions, and that's saying something)

* Marcos Aragao Correia with his vision, on leaving his first-ever Spiritualist meeting on Madeira, of Madeleine being strangled by a big man

* Dr Kate McCann's hunches after Madeleine was reported missing - I think Madeleine's in Portugal, in France, in Morocco etc.

* Francisco Marco, boss of Metedo 3, conjuring up visions of his men 'closing in on' Madeleine, and not forgetting

* Kevin Halligen, who spent so much of the money kindly donated by kind pensioners and children from their pension/pocket money that he probably had numberless visions and hallucinations.

P.S. Just where is Kevin Halligen these days? Still in Belmarsh? What's keeping him from the U.S.?

by ufercoffy 19.02.11 19:13

This case just has to be a hoax, sorry. You just couldn't make this stuff up.

by Judge Mental 19.02.11 19:27

Tony Bennett wrote: ''Come to think of it, all the 'psychics' seem to be with Team McCann.''

big grin

One just knew that you would be one of the first to see where this was going big grin

And as you say, they have visions, hunches and possible hallucinations. And seem to be able to go along with even the most bizarre theories, such as Krugel's placing of hairs next to an eye of toad and tongue of newt, or whatever it is that he does with the human hairs.

One would still be interested as to how the McCanns came by these hairs they allege were Madeleine's. None were to be found in 5A when the forensics went in.

by littlepixie 19.02.11 23:08

They are supposed to be so religious but what does the Bible say God thinks of fortune tellers, psychics and the like. They may really hear and see things but it is coming from Satan - no-one else - and is meant to deceive.
All this talk of psyhics shows them for what they are IMO.

by **Tony Bennett** 19.02.11 23:19

Tony Bennett wrote:
Come to think of it, all the 'psychics' seem to be with Team McCann.

We have:

* Dr Gerald McCann's vision of a dark tunnel with light at the end of it

* Dr Kate McCanns's hunch/feeling that something was going to go wrong on the holiday

* Dave Edgar becoming 'strangely convinced' that Madeleine was being held in a prison lair near Praia da Luz (more bizarre than most psychic impressions, and that's saying something)

* Marcos Aragao Correia with his vision, on leaving his first-ever Spiritualist meeting on Madeira, of Madeleine being strangled by a big man

* Dr Kate McCann's hunches after Madeleine was reported missing - I think Madeleine's in Portugal, in France, in Morocco etc.

* Francisco Marco, boss of Metedo 3, conjuring up visions of his men 'closing in on' Madeleine, and not forgetting

* Kevin Halligen, who spent so much of the money kindly donated by kind pensioners and children from their pension/pocket money that he probably had numberless visions and hallucinations.

OOPS!!

Forgot possibly the most fabulous 'vision'/'hallucination' of them all:

Jane Tanner seeing eggman/bundleman/Robert Murat/monsterman/George Harrison Man/Cooperman/a woman.

'Twas indeed a fab vision.

Or, er, was it fabricated??

by **Tony Bennett** 19.02.11 23:30

littlepixie wrote:They are supposed to be so religious but what does the Bible say God thinks of fortune tellers, psychics and the like. They may really hear and see things but it is coming from Satan - no-one else - and is meant to deceive. All this talk of pschics shows them for what they are IMO.

King Saul had departed from God's way and despite the Law of Moses telling him not to try to call up 'familiar spirits', he decided to risk it and did so. The Philistines were giving him a really hard time, and this was before Saul's son David learnt how to sling a stone and felled 7-foot Goliath with a single shot to the forehead. Had there been an Olympics in 'slingshot' in those days, David would surely have got a gold medal in the event.

Anyway, back to the story, Saul decided to visit the local witch, the Witch of Endor.

She said: 'O.K., I'll help', and proceeded to utter her chants and mumbo-jumbo to try to speak to one of the spirits - we'd probably call it 'channelling' today.

She and King Saul got a mighty shock when instead of her being able to speak to one of her spirit beings on 'the other side', she called up the former prophet and king Samuel, who had some time ago 'passed on' to better things.

Samuel rebuked them both - and quite right too.

The Good Book gives us King Saul's reaction: "Saul fell straightway his full length upon the earth, and was sore afraid..."

Pretty undignified for the King of Isreal - a severe warning not to mess with spirits.

It's all in 1 Samuel Chapter 18.

by **PeterMac** 20.02.11 7:31

"Clairvoyant wins Lottery"
Not a headline we see very often.

by Judge Mental 20.02.11 18:30

''The Good Book gives us King Saul's reaction: "Saul fell straightway his full length upon the earth, and was sore afraid..."

The PJ files say something rather similar about Gerald McCann. Apparently, he also uttered primeval screams as he prostrated himself. laughat

How terribly embarrassing this must have been for the attending police officers. After all, Madeleine had only been missing for a short time at that point, and could very well have walked back into the apartment any moment:

However, McCann's sixth sense was obviously telling him that this was not to be. Moments later, his sixth sense was telling him that Madeleine was in the clutches of a British paedophile gang. A story which has changed very little since. Although sometimes, a swarthy foreign paedophile group is accused instead.

McCann's sixth sense also seemed to telling him to arrange events months and months hence, as if he knew that Madeleine would not be coming home. Therefore, although Gerald McCann is constantly derided and ridiculed for appearing to be a strange, insensitive and bullying little man, one will say in his defence that one of his redeeming qualities seems to be that he is undoubtedly supremely psychic.

by ufercoffy 20.02.11 18:42

Judge Mental wrote:Apparently, he also uttered primeval screams as he prostrated himself.

Well you would wouldn't ya? Sounds bloomin' painful does that Judge. Dunno about having a snigger PSYCHICS IN THE MCCANN CASE - Page 1 742129

, it brings tears to me eyes just thinking about it PSYCHICS IN THE MCCANN CASE - Page 1 181154

by **Tony Bennett** 20.02.11 18:51

Judge Mental wrote:''The Good Book gives us King Saul's reaction: "Saul fell straightway his full length upon the earth, and was sore afraid..."

The PJ files say something rather similar about Gerald McCann. Apparently, he also uttered primeval screams as he prostrated himself.

Yes, you are very perspicacious. It seems, then, if I divine you aright, to be a gesture associated with feeling extremely guilty about something?

McCann's sixth sense also seemed to be telling him to arrange events months and months hence, as if he knew that Madeleine would not be coming home. Therefore, although Gerald McCann is constantly derided and ridiculed for appearing to be a strange, insensitive and bullying little man, one will say in his defence that one of his redeeming qualities seems to be that he is undoubtedly supremely psychic.

I would go still further than you, Judge Mental, which is a rarity. I have publicly stated that for Dr Gerald McCann to have stated on 28 June 2007 that "I have no doubt that we will be able to sustain a high profile for Madeleine's disappearance in the long-term" means that he has the rare gift of prophecy. I have indeed in the past publicly pronounced him 'a prophet of the modern age'. There is only one other, completely untenable explanation for his gift of prophesying this and other similar statements. And that is the ridiculous, hurtful, libellous and harmful-to-finding-Madeleine notion that Dr Gearld McCann already knows that Madeleine is dead.

by Judge Mental 20.02.11 19:03

ufercoffy wrote:
Judge Mental wrote:Apparently, he also uttered primeval screams as he prostrated himself.

Well you would wouldn't ya? Sounds bloomin' painful does that Judge. Dunno about having a snigger , it brings tears to me eyes just thinking about it

He quite literally seems to throw himself into a crisis, in order to create yet more drama for any scene he is involved in.

''Twas Brillig
And the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe.
All mimsy were the borogoves
And the mome raths outgrabe.''

by Judge Mental 20.02.11 19:48

Tony Bennett wrote:
Judge Mental wrote:''The Good Book gives us King Saul's reaction: "Saul fell straightway his full length upon the earth, and was sore afraid..."

The PJ files say something rather similar about Gerald McCann. Apparently, he also uttered primeval screams as he prostrated himself.

Yes, you are very perspicacious. It seems, then, if I divine you aright, to be a gesture associated with feeling extremely guilty about something?

McCann's sixth sense also seemed to be telling him to arrange events months and months hence, as if he knew that Madeleine would not be coming home. Therefore, although Gerald McCann is constantly derided and ridiculed for appearing to be a strange, insensitive and bullying little man, one will say in his defence that one of his redeeming qualities seems to be that he is undoubtedly supremely psychic.

I would go still further than you, Judge Mental, which is a rarity. I have publicly stated that for Dr Gerald McCann to have stated on 28 June 2007 that "I have no doubt that we will be able to sustain a high profile for Madeleine's disappearance in the long-term" means that he has the rare gift of prophecy. I have indeed in the past publicly pronounced him 'a prophet of the modern age'. There is only one other, completely untenable explanation for his gift of prophesying this and other similar statements. And that is the ridiculous, hurtful, libellous and harmful-to-finding-Madeleine notion that Dr Gerald McCann already knows that Madeleine is dead.

Of course, there are those who have said he may have been using the universally recognised plea to all Brothers because he felt himself and the rest of the Tapas 9 to be in the most severe trouble. However, the officers were clueless as to his behaviour and seemed to accept it as a quirk of McCann being a Brit abroad. Possibly through having seen enough television programmes about badly behaved, loud mouthed, drunken Brits abroad.

It is always difficult to accept the death of somebody we love and care about, but the two EVR dogs were adamantly pointing out the same places where they knew a cadaver had lain. It is absurd that neither of the McCanns want to know why. Although it demonstrates their great and implicit trust in their friends, it invites too much mistrust of the McCanns themselves.

by littlepixie 20.02.11 19:57

littlepixie wrote:They are supposed to be so religious but what does the Bible say God thinks of fortune tellers, psychics and the like. They may really hear and see things but it is coming from Satan - no-one else - and is meant to deceive.
All this talk of psyhics shows them for what they are IMO.

10
There should not be found in you anyone who makes
his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs
divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a
sorcerer, 11
or one who binds others with a spell or anyone
who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or
anyone who inquires of the dead. 12
For everybody doing these things is something
detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable things Jehovah
your God is driving them away from before you.

Deuteronomy 18:10-12

by Judge Mental 20.02.11 20:15

@ littlepixie big grin

There's nothing like a bit of old Deuteronomy to get people grabbing hold of their Rosary beads. laughat

by **Tony Bennett** 20.02.11 20:47

Judge Mental wrote:@ littlepixie
There's nothing like a bit of old Deuteronomy to get people grabbing hold of their Rosary beads.

But the Good Book doesn't approve of Rosary beads either:

"But when ye pray, use not vain repetition, as the heathen do; for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking...After this manner therefore pray thee: Our Father, which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name..."

Matthew 6 vv. 7,9 [The Sermon on the Mount]

by Judge Mental 20.02.11 21:15

Tony Bennett wrote:
Judge Mental wrote:@ littlepixie
There's nothing like a bit of old Deuteronomy to get people grabbing hold of their Rosary beads.
But the Good Book doesn't approve of Rosary beads either:

"But when ye pray, use not vain repetition, as the heathen do; for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking...After this manner therefore pray thee: Our Father, which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name..."

Matthew 6 vv. 7,9 [The Sermon on the Mount]

Righty ho then. Hell, high water and brimstone all round! It really rather looks as if they are doomed one away or another. There is an old saying, ''If He doesn't get you as you are going, He will get you coming back.''

And the Lord knows that they have just about done repetition to death. In fact, The Greatest Story Ever Told is teetering on the very threshold of being usurped by the Abduction Story. sarcastic

There has been many a time where one has felt a compulsion to check and see if there has been a St. McCann revised edition of the Bible.

by **PeterMac** 21.02.11 8:14

Judge Mental wrote:
ufercoffy wrote:
Judge Mental wrote:Apparently, he also uttered primeval screams as he prostrated himself.
Well you would wouldn't ya? Sounds bloomin' painful does that Judge. Dunno about having a snigger, it brings tears to me eyes just thinking about it
He quite literally seems to throw himself into a crisis, in order to create yet more drama for any scene he is involved in.

Or possibly (edited)
GRAND HAILING SIGN OF DISTRESS
After receiving instruction in the proper communication of the substitute for the Master's Word, the candidate is then instructed in regards to the Grand Hailing Sign of Distress. It is given by raising both hands toward heaven, with each arm forming the angle of a square, or a 90 degree angle. The arms are then lowered in three distinct motions to the sides.
The candidate is additionally instructed, however, that if he is in a place where the sign could not be seen, he is to utter a substitute for the sign: "O Lord, my God, is there no help for the Widow's Son?"
Was this the primaeval scream, which the PJ did not understand ?

by theolivebranch 21.02.11 10:45

PeterMac wrote:
Judge Mental wrote:
ufercoffy wrote:
Judge Mental wrote:Apparently, he also uttered primeval screams as he prostrated himself.
Well you would wouldn't ya? Sounds bloomin' painful does that Judge. Dunno about having a snigger, it brings tears to me eyes just thinking about it
He quite literally seems to throw himself into a crisis, in order to create yet more drama for any scene he is involved in.

Or possibly (edited)
GRAND HAILING SIGN OF DISTRESS
After receiving instruction in the proper communication of the substitute for the Master's Word, the candidate is then instructed in regards to the Grand Hailing Sign of Distress. It is given by raising both hands toward heaven, with each arm forming the angle of a square, or a 90 degree angle. The arms are then lowered in three distinct motions to the sides.
The candidate is additionally instructed, however, that if he is in a place where the sign could not be seen, he is to utter a substitute for the sign: "O Lord, my God, is there no help for the Widow's Son?"
Was this the primaeval scream, which the PJ did not understand ?

In all seriousness if they, the whole crew of them, have any belief in any religion then they must have fear for what the result of the final judgement will be.

by **PeterMac** 21.02.11 11:03

I don't think anyone treats religion that seriously any more - to believe in a real physical Hell and eternal damnation for their immortal souls.
I may be wrong.
But I think most people nowdays believe in things for which here is some evidence, rather than just what they are told by more educated or social superiors or ...
Hang on, isn't that what has happened here ?

by theolivebranch 21.02.11 11:53

PeterMac wrote:I don't think anyone treats religion that seriously any more - to believe in a real physical Hell and eternal damnation for their immortal souls.
I may be wrong.
But I think most people nowdays believe in things for which here is some evidence, rather than just what they are told by more educated or social superiors or ...
Hang on, isn't that what has happened here ?

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correct. Well don't know re hell and damnation and all that but from a personal viewpoint my faith means a lot to me. And I have not been to a church service for donkeys years, it is just my personal feelings.

by Autumn 21.02.11 14:56

Didn't Kate have visions or dreams about Madeleine on a boat? Does anyone have a link to this, I recall there was a thread on MCF about this Kate's boat visions - who was the friend who accompanied her to look at the boats in the harbour?

by Quincy 21.02.11 15:41

Autumn wrote:
Didn't Kate have visions or dreams about Madeleine on a boat? Does anyone have a link to this, I recall there was a thread on MCF about this Kate's boat visions - who was the friend who accompanied her to look at the boats in the harbour?

Yep you're correct Autumn

Here is the link PSYCHICS IN THE MCCANN CASE - Page 1 847771

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/BOATS_VISION.htm

by Autumn 21.02.11 15:57

Thanks Quincy knew I'd read it somewhere smilie

VISION THAT MADELEINE WAS ON A BOAT

331 to 344 Witness statement re Kate’s relative and psychic vision of Shearwater boat
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LEICESTERSHIRE CONSTABULARY Continuation WITNESS STATEMENT

INFORMATION FROM THE FAMILY

I spoke to Kate McCann on Tuesday 8th of May 07. She told me that a friend of her Aunt & Uncle from Leicester had a friend that had a strong vision that Madeleine was on a boat with a man in the Marina in Logos.

This person arrived in Portugal and has spoke to Kate. They have visited the Marina and identified the boat as "SHEARWATER" They saw a man on the boat. but it was not the same man that she had in her vision.

This is very important to Kate. I spoke to Glen Pounder if he could make some enqs with regards to the boat.
He has done this and the boat is registered to a Canadian National called Bruce Cook. Glen has told me that George Reyes at the police Stn is now dealing with the matter with record to doing dvc checks etc.

I spoke to Kate today and she has given me photographs of the boat. She has also given me photographs of a man who has been on the boat. This is not the man the woman had in her vision.
This matter is very important to her and she is very pleased that we are making enq's into the matter. Once the enq's have been completed can we please let her know the results.
Thanks
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Wonder who the psychic friend was that, on the strength of her vision, travelled to Portugal to visit the Marina with Kate?

by Judge Mental 21.02.11 16:30

Just out of curiosity, has it been ascertained as to whether the McCanns took their own Bible on holiday? Was their own Bible taken out to Praia da Luz for them at a later date? Or, was the Bible lent to them by a third party?

by littlepixie 21.02.11 17:31

I think they lent the Bible off one of their friends. I remember the friend stated it was him who recommended that Kate read the passage regarding the killing/death of a child.

Just had a look and Kate said it was PETER NEIL PATTERSON, a resident of Leicester who gave her the Bible and marked the passage. She requested that he should be questioned about it. (preseumably to back up her story that he gave it her).