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"The End is Near in the Madeleine McCann Case"

Post by NickE on 20.03.15 17:13

THURSDAY, MARCH 19, 2015


The End is Near in the Madeleine McCann Case




As most of you are quite aware, I have refrained from commenting on the Madeleine McCann case for months now as doing so has been both pointless and unpleasant. It seems that many feel a great deal of anguish as the Scotland Yard so-called investigation blunders on...with no inspiring results...and Andy Redwood retires (which is hardly something a man would do on the eve of a great investigative coup); frustrated, they are striking out rather viciously at anyone who dares suggest that all is not going to end well. In other words, the writing is in the wall - as it has been since Scotland Yard announced that the McCanns were not suspects, that they were only looking at an abduction, and that Jane Tanner actually saw a man with a child (even if there is no evidence he exists and he was walking in the wrong direction). This Met review and investigation clearly was never intended to include the Tapas 9 as a focus and there are many who do not want to believe that their hopes are going to be dashed after all the effort they have put forth to shed light on the evidence and the McCanns likely involvement in the disappearance of their daughter, Maddie.

But, four people seem to agree that this case is going to be put to bed as a stranger abduction that simply can't be solved or can't be prosecuted. These four people are Gonçalo Amaral, Tony Bennett, Joana Morais, and myself. Now, while we may not agree on exactly what happened to Madeleine McCann, while we may not entirely agree on how it all went down - who did what and what the timeline was - we all seem to agree that the outcome is going to be politically based and not one supported by evidence and proper investigation. In other words, four people from vastly different backgrounds and skill sets, four people who have a great deal of knowledge of the Madeleine McCann case, all agree that a whitewash is in the making.

Yet, there are many who are outraged at each one of us for daring to suggest that Scotland Yard has just wasted ten million pounds on a faux investigation, mad at all of us in spite of the fact absolutely nothing useful has come of four year of effort, that there has been zero progress, and they are calling us names even though it is a straight up fact that there has never been any focus on the Tapas 9 by Scotland Yard and it is also a fact that you can't make a case against someone by claiming in court that they are guilty simply because all other leads failed to put forth fruit.

We are about to hear the outcome of the McCann suit against Gonçalo Amaral but this matters little as far as the criminal case is concerned. I hope Gonçalo prevails enough to lessen the damage he has suffered, but it won't matter as far as putting the McCanns behind bars; the civil case truly has nothing to do with the criminal case. The criminal case is dead in the water and as recent news reports have pointed out, there are those who think the money being spent on the McCann case is a waste of resources. I totally agree because there is never going to be a true resolution unless Maddie's body is unearthed with sufficient physical evidence to link someone to the crime. Since Scotland Yard is looking in all the wrong places, this evidence is never going to see the light of day.

So, folks, all of you who think a good outcome is just around the bend, brace yourselves. I know all of you only want truth and justice but, as I have learned working almost two decades in this field, the one thing trumps truth and justice every time is politics.

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown

March 19, 2015



http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/the-end-is-near-in-madeleine-mccann-case.html

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Post by Tony Bennett on 20.03.15 17:57

re Pat Brown:  "But, four people seem to agree that this case is going to be put to bed as a stranger abduction that simply can't be solved or can't be prosecuted. These four people are Gonçalo Amaral, Tony Bennett, Joana Morais, and myself. Now, while we may not agree on exactly what happened to Madeleine McCann, while we may not entirely agree on how it all went down - who did what and what the timeline was - we all seem to agree that the outcome is going to be politically based and not one supported by evidence and proper investigation. In other words, four people from vastly different backgrounds and skill sets, four people who have a great deal of knowledge of the Madeleine McCann case, all agree that a whitewash is in the making".

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Yes, Pat Brown speaks for me here.

I would only like to mention two things.

Pat refers to 'skill sets'. My own recent background has been spent investigating two clear hoaxes - and the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Hoax No. 1 was to claim that Stuart Lubbock died from a drowning accident. No he didn't, he was violently sexually abused and asphyxiated to his death, and was never in that swimming pool that night.

Hoax No. 2 was the claim that Lee Balkwell was working extracting setting concrete from a concrete mixer at gone 1.00am in the dead of night, and was trapped in the mixer drum as it suddenly started revolving unexpectedly. No he wasn't; there is overwhelming evidence that all work on the lorry stopped at 9.20pm, and that he was murdered after midnight.

These two hoaxes made me interested in the Madeleine McCann case.

As for peope feeling 'down' if this really is a whitewash, I recommend that everyone here shoud take simple action that 'Knitted' and 'Blue Bag' have done today (see DCI Wall thread) and demand a full and independent investigation into all aspects of Grange. You will feel better after you have followed their example - I promise you.

And it's not too late either to sign the petition calling for just such an investigation - just 10 days to go now:

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/69944

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Re: "The End is Near in the Madeleine McCann Case"

Post by HelenMeg on 20.03.15 19:18

I do feel down, if I let myself think that this will end up as a whitewash. Very very down. I am not convinced it will be a whitewash, but none of us knows for sure, and of course it's a possibility. I
will take the action suggested.  There are others that dont believe this is a whitewash. For example, Blacksmith Bureau and Textusa - I know they do not necessarily appeal to all of us - but I do place
credibility on their postings, the same as I do on Tony's.   I want to believe that this is not a whitewash, and I happen to believe that at some stage it was intended to be a whitewash, hence the ridiculous burglary stories. However, I think that 'they'  came to a conclusion it was not feasible to do a complete whitewash - therefore some of the truth will be revealed at some stage. 

Until they present us with a whitewash or otherwise, then there is no foregone conclusion - just our opinions and interpretations. Why did they go back to questioning RM if it is intended to be a whitewash?

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Post by canada12 on 20.03.15 19:49

I'm encouraged by the popularity of tv programs (at least over here in North America) where "cold case" files are re-investigated with new technology, and criminals are brought to justice with DNA and other evidence that wasn't available when the original investigations took place.

I'm heartened by the fact that if a case is left open or unsolved these days, chances are it will be solved at some point in the future, as long as evidence is not destroyed and new technologies keep showing up that provide insights that were, before, unavailable.

As long as the Madeleine McCann case is left unsolved, that will be the legacy. The guilty parties will have to live with the knowledge that one day, there could be a knock on the door, and it will be the police.

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Post by plebgate on 20.03.15 22:37

What has disheartened me is the report this week that the PF have said that because of the cuts to the police service it is felt by some that the £10million pound review/investigation involving 31 officers should be closed.

IMO it looks as though they know that it is going nowhere and nothing will come of it so why waste more valuable money and staff time.

A statement like that would not have been issued lightly and let's be fair if a patsy were to be found and a trial took place it would be a waste of time.    A defence lawyer would make mincemeat of it all and if it transpired that the review/investigation took place without the Tapas crew having been interviewed and their original statements gone over again, it would not surprise me in the least if any Judge kicked it out of court.

Has there ever been another case where the people(as far as we know) who have reported such a serious crime haven't been re-interviewed and definite timelines established before  so much money and manpower has been spent?

Working backwards we were told.   Seems more like arse backwards imo.

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Post by Angelique on 20.03.15 23:01

I have to agree with Pat Brown and Tony that this is going to be a whitewash insofar as it will remain unsolved.

I too follow Textusa, I think because a small part of me wants to hope where there seems to be none, that it will be solved.

There has been, as Pat says, interference by Politicians and in these cases they seem to have their way and the truth will only emerge long after we here are gone.

I doubt whether advances in DNA evidence will do the trick either since I believe any such evidence has been destroyed.

It is a very sad situation. I have only contempt for those who have sought to shield those involved in the disappearance Madeleine.

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Post by suzyjohnson on 21.03.15 8:54

If the SY investigation is a whitewash then it seems to me that this attempt has made things worse rather than better because, now, every other feasible possibility (other than that the parents were involved) has been explored and they have come up with nothing. Before the review people defending the McCanns could say maybe there were lines of enquiry that had been overlooked, but not now. I expect that people will find this case every bit as fascinating in the future as well.

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Post by Guest on 21.03.15 9:01

Og to the home office,we have spent at least £10 million looking for an abductor as per our remit and there isn't one.

Home Office:ok.

OG do you want us to spend another £10 million finding out what exactly happened.

Home office:NO.

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Post by sar on 21.03.15 11:07

@canada12 wrote:I'm encouraged by the popularity of tv programs (at least over here in North America) where "cold case" files are re-investigated with new technology, and criminals are brought to justice with DNA and other evidence that wasn't available when the original investigations took place.

I'm heartened by the fact that if a case is left open or unsolved these days, chances are it will be solved at some point in the future, as long as evidence is not destroyed and new technologies keep showing up that provide insights that were, before, unavailable.

As long as the Madeleine McCann case is left unsolved, that will be the legacy. The guilty parties will have to live with the knowledge that one day, there could be a knock on the door, and it will be the police.
think you may be right here +1

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Post by sar on 21.03.15 11:18

@canada12 wrote:I'm encouraged by the popularity of tv programs (at least over here in North America) where "cold case" files are re-investigated with new technology, and criminals are brought to justice with DNA and other evidence that wasn't available when the original investigations took place.

I'm heartened by the fact that if a case is left open or unsolved these days, chances are it will be solved at some point in the future, as long as evidence is not destroyed and new technologies keep showing up that provide insights that were, before, unavailable.

As long as the Madeleine McCann case is left unsolved, that will be the legacy. The guilty parties will have to live with the knowledge that one day, there could be a knock on the door, and it will be the police.
....image waiting all your life for your crime to be discovered? Every headline your enemy, every knock on the door startling. No one trusting you, no matter where you went on earth...

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Post by jeanmonroe on 21.03.15 15:43

WMD wrote:OG to the home office, we have spent at least £10 million looking for an abductor as per our remit and there isn't one".

Home Office:ok.

OG do you want us to spend another £10 million finding out what exactly happened.

Home office:NO.

or

Operation Strange to the Home Office, "we have spent at least £11+ million looking for an 'abductor' as per our remit, and there isn't one".

Home Office: OK, knew there wouldn't be didn't think there would be.

Operation Strange "do you want us to spend another £11+ million finding out what exactly happened.?"

Home office: 'HELL YEAH! Just carry on, regardless, UNTIL we find out, EXACTLY, what those pesky Portuguese 'have' We daren't risk 'closing/whitewashing' this if we don't know what will be in the 'files' the Portuguese have to release, if they 're-shelve' their investigation, possibly detailing the non-cooperation of ourselves, over these last few years. Remember Stuart Prior's 'exposure' in the first lot of 'files' those pesky Portuguese 'released'?. Put us right back in the cover up, we had planned mire, so to speak. So carry on 'pretending' we're doing 'something' and we''ll keep sending the AG, UK ambassador and DCI Wall over there to have a 'phish' around'

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Post by plebgate on 21.03.15 15:53

as per the remit - to investigate as though an abduction had happened in UK.

So, if the abduction had happened in the UK would the police re-interview the Tapas crew at the very start of any re-investigation?

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Post by MrsC on 21.03.15 16:46

@sar wrote:
....image waiting all your life for your crime to be discovered? Every headline your enemy, every knock on the door startling. No one trusting you, no matter where you went on earth...

Karma WILL come knocking...

It's unavoidable.


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Re: "The End is Near in the Madeleine McCann Case"

Post by margaret on 21.03.15 21:15

The trouble is the more these paedophiles keep getting exposed and now with the met themselves under investigation for covering up for them it makes it very hard to cover up this case too. The truth will always out.

I'm not convinced of a whitewash.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 21.03.15 21:37

@margaret wrote:...now with the Met themselves under investigation for covering up [paedophile crimes]...
@ margaret    I shouldn't hold out too much hope of the Met being 'under investigation' for covering up paedophile crimes.

They are being allowed to investigate themselves.

Dame Ann Owers, the IPCC's Chair, has decreed that the Met Police Professional Standards Department can investigate its own officers, but 'with IPCC oversight', whatever that means in practice.

So long as the police are allowed to investigate themselves, as they are in over 99% of all complaints against the police, we will always have corrupt senior and junior police oficers.

The only really successful police complaints body in the U.K. was one set up during the 'Troubles'. The lady boss (can't recall her name) told the government she would only accept the job if ALL complaints against the police were investigated personally by her staff, and never the police themselves - and only if she was given sufficient resources to do the job properly.

She got all she wanted - and she and her team were successful in rooting out much corruption

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Re: "The End is Near in the Madeleine McCann Case"

Post by maebee on 22.03.15 0:38

I get what you're all saying about about a cover up. There are over 35 SY officers on the case. It needs just one to tell the truth . There HAS to be at least one of them with a conscience. I think it will happen.

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Re: "The End is Near in the Madeleine McCann Case"

Post by ChippyM on 23.03.15 14:27

@NickE wrote:...
..............four people from vastly different backgrounds and skill sets, four people who have a great deal of knowledge of the Madeleine McCann case, all agree that a whitewash is in the making.

Yet, there are many who are outraged at each one of us for daring to suggest that Scotland Yard has just wasted ten million pounds on a faux investigation, mad at all of us in spite of the fact absolutely nothing useful has come of four year of effort, that there has been zero progress, and they are calling us names even though it is a straight up fact that there has never been any focus on the Tapas 9 by Scotland Yard and it is also a fact that you can't make a case against someone by claiming in court that they are guilty simply because all other leads failed to put forth fruit.



I don't agree that this is a 'fact'  . The police don't give a running commentary on things they may find such as forensics ...or give us updates when they have finished analysing things before a case is concluded (or shelved at least).  A number of reporters did
mention 'objects' taken from the digs in Portugal, so how can any of us say what they might have found?

   I'm still on the fence about a whitewash. Drumming into people through the media that SY have been wasting time and clueless all through the operation is a good way to wind it up as unsolveable but then again how do we know that some factions of Police and government want this but maybe others don't?
  There could be a game being played between factions to manipulate public perception around the case.

 Whatever is really going on, we can't say the police have found absolutely nothing as a fact, stating that implies that some of the media manipulation has worked as all of the silly stories from 'sources' about gypsies and smelly men would have to taken as true to prove SY are bumbling idiots!

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Post by aquila on 24.03.15 2:03

Yes, it's time we stopped looking for Maddie: As a police boss says the £10m hunt must end, DAVID JONES, who's reported on the case for eight years, explains with a heavy heart why he agrees 

  • Police chiefs have been urged to wind up the hunt for Madeleine McCann
  • Metropolitan Police Federation chairman John Tulley called for a 're-focus'
  • He said: ‘It's time to re-focus on what we need to do to keep London safe'
  • Maddie vanished from apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal eight years ago
  • Met Police has spent £10m in hunt for her but no arrests have been made

By David Jones for the Daily Mail
Published: 23:31, 23 March 2015  |  Updated: 23:54, 23 March 2015

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3008479/Yes-s-time-stopped-looking-Maddie-police-boss-says-10m-hunt-end-DAVID-JONES-s-reported-case-eight-years-explains-heavy-heart-agrees.html#ixzz3VGSXhPEN
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There you have it, the end game. Police Federation and journalists drafted in to squash Operation Grange removing all trace of egg on faces.

This is a truly dreadful article.




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Post by BlueBag on 24.03.15 8:08

I think the abandoning of the case will coincide with the Amaral verdict.

Ducks are being lined up.

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Post by Lands_end on 24.03.15 8:16

Sorry to be a thorn in the side here, what about the twins as they hit their teens? What about the children of the tapas gang? Are they just going to "forget" what happened or are they going to crave celeb status as all teenagers do? The future will tell.

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Post by roy rovers on 25.03.15 0:06

I'm more interested in the process of unravelling. How long can the T7 stick together? How long before others in the know speak out? How long can the laws of libel prevent the publication of some tasty books on the subject? I don't really care what Operation Grange finally comes out with. If it's a whitewash that's another part of the process but the truth or something pretty close to it will come out in the end.

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Post by lj on 25.03.15 1:48

@BlueBag wrote:I think the abandoning of the case will coincide with the Amaral verdict.

Ducks are being lined up.
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Post by lj on 25.03.15 1:50

@Lands_end wrote:Sorry to be a thorn in the side here, what about the twins as they hit their teens? What about the children of the tapas gang? Are they just going to "forget" what happened or are they going to crave celeb status as all teenagers do? The future will tell.
They will ask, and their friends will ask. 

Imagine Amelie at age 15 asking "why didn't you come when we were crying?"

Would Kate still say it was a remark they made in passing?

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Post by Lands_end on 25.03.15 9:02

@lj wrote:
@Lands_end wrote:Sorry to be a thorn in the side here, what about the twins as they hit their teens? What about the children of the tapas gang? Are they just going to "forget" what happened or are they going to crave celeb status as all teenagers do? The future will tell.
They will ask, and their friends will ask. 

Imagine Amelie at age 15 asking "why didn't you come when we were crying?"

Would Kate still say it was a remark they made in passing?
Sadly I'm sure they have that base covered. I just hope for their sakes that they manage to lead stable lives, they have a chance to which was not granted to their older sister. This is not just IMO, Madeleine would still be here today if they had not been such rubbish uncaring parents.

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Post by HelenMeg on 25.03.15 9:34

@roy rovers wrote:I'm more interested in the process of unravelling. How long can the T7 stick together? How long before others in the know speak out? How long can the laws of libel prevent the publication of some tasty books on the subject? I don't really care what Operation Grange finally comes out with. If it's a whitewash that's another part of the process but the truth or something pretty close to it will come out in the end.
Actually- thats a good perspective. Any potential whitewash is a part of the process - not the end of the process. 
Should there be a whitewash, then that doesn't mean the matter is over with. Far from it - there will be lots to follow - and yes, I also believe that the truth will come out one way or another.  So SY /  Op Grange / UK government should think carefully before they choose a whitewash.  In these times, the truth will come out sooner rather than later - not in 20 years time.

Thats why this case is a phenomenon of its time - its a live investigation
+ police files in public domain - blog sites and forums openly discussing it / Twitter and social media

Its not like the Jimmy Saville case, or the Dolphin Square case  - which happened in previous times when social media not available.

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