Robert Murat - Exactly why did the McCann Team point the finger at him?

guest12345 wrote:I for one do not believe that the couple or the tapas lot are involved in pedophilia, otherwise more would have been done to out them and persecute them, regardless of who they know.

Just as they did at the BBC, the UK government the NHS, the police and various child care institutions spread across the nation?

I do however think that OG are firmly of the belief that pedo activity was taking place in or around the resort, both before and during the holiday period, hence various agencies being dispatched to the scene very quickly, to use their intelligence to assist with tracking (but failing and continuing to fail until this very day) and to categorically identify which pedo is at fault.

Not a clue what you are talking about.

This is made even harder by having no body to give up clues/evidence.

Nail on the head well and truly hit!  In the spirit of Gerry McCann's oft repeated words and ultimate defense weapon - no evidence, no evidence, no evidence.  Now why would that be do you think?

Swinging, yes (would account for the neglect, apartment visits, familiarity with locals such as Murat, help from high profile people linked to them etc etc), pedophilia no..IMO

You will need to explain how you conclude that - "neglect, apartment visits, familiarity with locals such as Murat, help from high profile people linked to them etc" can be linked to swinging.  I await your response with interest.

guest12345 wrote:

tinkier wrote:

guest12345 wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]………Do you really think that Mrs M'c would tolerate Mr Mc's little trysts with other females. If we are to believe Kate's reaction to Gerry inviting the quiz mistress over to the table, I would think not? Kate comes over as a very possessive jealous woman. I really don't think she would be willing to share her husband. Only my opinion.

Who knows which of them were swinging/sleeping together, could have been some of them, could've been all of them, the details aren't the important thing, i was merely pointing out that Murat and Tanner seem 'connected' and there have been many a speculation about the tapas groups activities on that holiday.

Ah but now you're shifting the goal posts.

With regard to your thoughts on KMc, well from what i can see, both her and hubby are very very narcissistic, therefore that behavior wouldn't surprise me. Especially with GMc somewhat bossy/aggressive nature, i wouldn't put it past them.

What's that supposed to mean?

Regarding KMs behavior with the quiz mistress, i would simply put that down to jealousy at the younger, more beautiful and voluptuous woman showing GM some attention. Bitterness.

I think that's what the original poster is saying - not compatible with mutual swinging.

guest12345 wrote:

Verdi wrote:

BlueBag wrote:

tinkier wrote:

guest12345 wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]………Do you really think that Mrs M'c would tolerate Mr Mc's little trysts with other females. If we are to believe Kate's reaction to Gerry inviting the quiz mistress over to the table, I would think not? Kate comes over as a very possessive jealous woman. I really don't think she would be willing to share her husband. Only my opinion.

Exactly.

What about the previous holiday with the Gaspers?

Were they swinging with them as well?

Was Murat also involved in the swing-dinging - the thread is about Murat being fingered (cough!), or was his role in the affair confined to a one on one with irresistable Tanner?  Here it should be remembered that a source claimed that Murat's computer, siezed by the police,  contained images of child abuse/pornography and bestiality - although I don't believe this was ever proved to be factual.  Add to that another report I recollect, stateing that Murat's computor contained encrypted websites.  When I have more time I will try to locate, iirc this was in the PJ files.

Who knows who was doing what with who, although there are a number of things that put them all in the same pot (of keys) so to speak...

Shifting goal posts.

Murat and Tanner are connected (IMO) due to their behaviors and the 'inconclusive' hairs.

What behaviours?  Sorry don't know what an 'inconclusive' hair is.

Murat supposedly had dubious computer history and Payne had dubious thoughts on children (gaspers)

?

Murat knew Gerry (phone records, GMs denial)

Signifies nothing.

Gerry knew Payne

Strong possibility.


So it's safe to say, regardless of swinging or pedophilia, they were all connected somehow and there were lots of questions raised about their intentions and actions along the way.

It's not 'safe' to say anything of the kind. 

"there were lots of questions raised about their intentions and actions along the way"

Explanation please?


Bringing this back on thread and back to my original point...i think Murat was fingered for a number of reasons..fall out with Tanner, the McCanns/tapas desire to get anyone in the frame to deflect attention away from the growing pointing and speculation that they were responsible, the medias hunger to make stories (and thus the journo saying he fitted the profile and his behavior was strange) etc etc

Carrry On Doctor wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Relax a bit. Enjoy life. 

whodunit wrote:The Gaspar statements alone means there is far more evidence of pedophilia than there is for swinging.

And nobody has yet answered an earlier question I posed: why bring the kids on a 'swinging holiday'? these people had the resources to hire nannies or could have left them in the care of relatives. Think about it: If you were into swinging wouldn't your children 'cramp your style'? Plus it's YUCK to bring the kiddies along when your goal is free for all sexual activity?? The fact that every man and woman of them brought their children and then 1. left them in day care all day but 2. mysteriously 'unattended' at night. [no proof evening creche or night time babysitting service was used by any of them.]

And nobody has yet answered another question I posed earlier: If they were so keen to cover up swinging why did they hide the body and stage an abduction in the first place and then COURT all that media attention? The spotlight could have been avoided entirely by merely reporting the death and going about their lives.

I'm sorry but government officials/FO would not get involved in covering up the swinging activities of a group of doctors with no discernible 'high level' connections. Why should they give a crap? They have however, in the UK and elsewhere, proven themselves quite capable of stepping in to cover up pedophile activity lest it lead to 'untouchables'. Just look at the case of Mrs. Justice whatserface who presided over the Diana inquest who recently testified on behalf of a DOORMAN who raped a 13 year old girl.

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Swinging topic here: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

whodunit wrote:Mod: This was basically my point. Swinging is off topic and a HUGE distraction which has taken the entire thread off topic. Sorry I took too many words to make it.

Verdi wrote:

whodunit wrote:Mod: This was basically my point. Swinging is off topic and a HUGE distraction which has taken the entire thread off topic. Sorry I took too many words to make it.

Not entirely off topic.  It was suggested that Murat was fingered partly because of some assumed relationship with Jane Tanner - either connected with swinging or extra-marital relations.  Admittedly it has gone a bit astray but that's the nature of debate, it tends to branch out in all directions, I think it's unavoidable.

Still I take the point, if I have anything further to say on the subject I will post on the link you provided.

ETA:  Sorry not you - MODS!

Verdi wrote:

Carrry On Doctor wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Relax a bit. Enjoy life. 

Is that a euphemism for swinging?

BlueBag wrote:

Verdi wrote:

whodunit wrote:Mod: This was basically my point. Swinging is off topic and a HUGE distraction which has taken the entire thread off topic. Sorry I took too many words to make it.

Not entirely off topic.  It was suggested that Murat was fingered partly because of some assumed relationship with Jane Tanner - either connected with swinging or extra-marital relations.  Admittedly it has gone a bit astray but that's the nature of debate, it tends to branch out in all directions, I think it's unavoidable.

Still I take the point, if I have anything further to say on the subject I will post on the link you provided.

ETA:  Sorry not you - MODS!

Based on one hair.

One that that has the same maternal profile as 8 out of every 100 (ish) people in Europe.

One hair that got blown out of all proportion.

Verdi wrote:

whodunit wrote:The Gaspar statements alone means there is far more evidence of pedophilia than there is for swinging.
Not really, it shows that someone reported that one person (Payne) showed an unhealthy interest and did strange gestures, but not on that holiday. If it was so relevant, he would've been brought in and would've been the target.

And nobody has yet answered an earlier question I posed: why bring the kids on a 'swinging holiday'? I don't believe it was a specific 'swingers holiday' or 'swingers resort', i just think that certain sharing (i.e swinging) was going on. Others may think it is a specific swingers resort though these people had the resources to hire nannies or could have left them in the care of relatives. Think about it: If you were into swinging wouldn't your children 'cramp your style'? Doesn't matter if you leave them all alone in daycare in the day or an apartment all night does it?? Plus it's YUCK to bring the kiddies along when your goal is free for all sexual activity?? The fact that every man and woman of them brought their children and then 1. left them in day care all day but 2. mysteriously 'unattended' at night. [no proof evening creche or night time babysitting service was used by any of them.] Who says swinging activities only happen at night?

And nobody has yet answered another question I posed earlier: If they were so keen to cover up swinging why did they hide the body and stage an abduction in the first place and then COURT all that media attention? The spotlight could have been avoided entirely by merely reporting the death and going about their lives.
Pure speculation regarding the McCanns/Tapas hiding the body. You'r second point just adds weight to why they did go under the spotlight i.e who in their right mind would do that.

I'm sorry but government officials/FO would not get involved in covering up the swinging activities of a group of doctors with no discernible 'high level' connections. Although they did/do have connections Why should they give a crap? Damage limitation in the worldwide media of UK professionals They have however, in the UK and elsewhere, proven themselves quite capable of stepping in to cover up pedophile activity lest it lead to 'untouchables'. Agreed, more so if, lets say, for example, that the senior agencies and official;s were aware of such activity/people prior to the holiday and opportunities were missed to act, leading to the demise of another child the Just look at the case of Mrs. Justice whatserface who presided over the Diana inquest who recently testified on behalf of a DOORMAN who raped a 13 year old girl. I would need to read up on that

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IMO Tanner and Murat were connected, the hair only ADDS to MY thinking on this. It is not the sole reason.

BlueBag wrote:

IMO Tanner and Murat were connected, the hair only ADDS to MY thinking on this. It is not the sole reason.

There are about 60 million people in Europe with the same maternal profile.

Did you tell us the other reasons?

guest12345 wrote:

BlueBag wrote:

IMO Tanner and Murat were connected, the hair only ADDS to MY thinking on this. It is not the sole reason.

There are about 60 million people in Europe with the same maternal profile.

Did you tell us the other reasons?

Yes i did

Murat and Tanner are connected (IMO) due to their behaviors and the 'inconclusive' hairs

guest12345 wrote:

Verdi wrote:

Carrry On Doctor wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Relax a bit. Enjoy life. 

Is that a euphemism for swinging?

No, it simply means stop attacking in such a vindictive manner. It means what it says....relax.

guest12345 wrote:

Verdi wrote:

Carrry On Doctor wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Relax a bit. Enjoy life. 

Is that a euphemism for swinging?

No, it simply means stop attacking in such a vindictive manner. It means what it says....relax.

Verdi and Blue Bag (the little darlings) come down heavy on anyone who raises certain subjects.