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Post by notlongnow on 19.08.15 19:37

IF RM was asked by the mccs to fly over at short notice for whatever reason,why did the mcc team throw him to the lions?

RM seems to be the centre of everything in this case.

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Post by sharonl on 19.08.15 20:02

@notlongnow wrote:IF RM was asked by the mccs to fly over at short notice for whatever reason,why did the mcc team throw him to the lions?

RM seems to be the centre of everything in this case.


Why did the McCanns main benefactor, Brian Kennedy, meet up with Murat when he was suspected of abducting Madeleine?

Why did Kennedy offer this suspect a job in searching for Madeleine?

Why were Murats and McCanns mobiles switched off simultaneously for 32hours?

Why has Murat never questioned the McCanns Claims of abduction?

Why were there at least 17 changes of Murats story?

Why did Murats mother set up a stall to assist the McCanns?

Why, according to a GNR officer, did Mrs Fenn ring Murat when she said she heard a child crying?

There was never any evidence against Murat as far as an abduction was concerned, he was safe from the start, they all knew that. So no one really threw him to the lions, the press had a number of stories to sell, the McCanns got themselves a bit of extra time and Murat secured a nice little bonus of £600,0000

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Post by notlongnow on 19.08.15 20:54

@sharonl wrote:
@notlongnow wrote:IF RM was asked by the mccs to fly over at short notice for whatever reason,why did the mcc team throw him to the lions?

RM seems to be the centre of everything in this case.


Why did the McCanns main benefactor, Brian Kennedy, meet up with Murat when he was suspected of abducting Madeleine?

Why did Kennedy offer this suspect a job in searching for Madeleine?

Why were Murats and McCanns mobiles switched off simultaneously for 32hours?

Why has Murat never questioned the McCanns Claims of abduction?

Why were there at least 17 changes of Murats story?

Why did Murats mother set up a stall to assist the McCanns?

Why, according to a GNR officer, did Mrs Fenn ring Murat when she said she heard a child crying?

There was never any evidence against Murat as far as an abduction was concerned, he was safe from the start, they all knew that. So no one really threw him to the lions, the press had a number of stories to sell, the McCanns got themselves a bit of extra time and Murat secured a nice little bonus of £600,0000

If true this is a very high risk game as people have been convicted for far les than 3 or 4 people all identifing him.Of course they all retracted but if the port police had taking it to court he could have have been convicted.

His changes of stories wouldn't look good in court.
His sniffing for info from the investigation also would look dubious
Switching the phones off,again not good.
I can't believe he agreed to be identified by the mcc team.

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Post by BlueBag on 19.08.15 20:58

I can't believe he agreed to be identified by the mcc team.

I agree. It makes no sense.

Which is why I think he has nothing to do with them.

Please spare me the "confusion is good" nonsense.

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Post by whodunit on 19.08.15 21:23

@sharonl wrote:
@notlongnow wrote:IF RM was asked by the mccs to fly over at short notice for whatever reason,why did the mcc team throw him to the lions?

RM seems to be the centre of everything in this case.


Why did the McCanns main benefactor, Brian Kennedy, meet up with Murat when he was suspected of abducting Madeleine?

Why did Kennedy offer this suspect a job in searching for Madeleine?

Why were Murats and McCanns mobiles switched off simultaneously for 32hours?

Why has Murat never questioned the McCanns Claims of abduction?

Why were there at least 17 changes of Murats story?

Why did Murats mother set up a stall to assist the McCanns?

Why, according to a GNR officer, did Mrs Fenn ring Murat when she said she heard a child crying?

There was never any evidence against Murat as far as an abduction was concerned, he was safe from the start, they all knew that. So no one really threw him to the lions, the press had a number of stories to sell, the McCanns got themselves a bit of extra time and Murat secured a nice little bonus of £600,0000

All good questions.

In my opinion, the McC team were forced to back off Murat by the Smith sighting of 'Gerry', which occurred very shortly after Murat was named suspect. Then the deals were struck and now Smith is pro-McC, too. I think there was plenty of circumstantial and other evidence against Murat due to the the nature of the tasks he was called on to perform when he was called back to PDL. It would have been used too but the Smith sighting was a cryptic message that TM was just as vulnerable if anybody, namely Murat and his allies, decided they wanted to talk about it.

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Post by notlongnow on 19.08.15 21:32

@whodunit wrote:





All good questions.

In my opinion, the McC team were forced to back off Murat by the Smith sighting of 'Gerry', which occurred very shortly after Murat was named suspect. Then the deals were struck and now Smith is pro-McC, too. I think there was plenty of circumstantial and other evidence against Murat due to the the nature of the tasks he was called on to perform when he was called back to PDL. It would have been used too but the Smith sighting was a cryptic message that TM was just as vulnerable if anybody, namely Murat and his allies, decided they wanted to talk about it.

Do you think that he was working with/for them,they then turned on him,then they all struck a deal?
How could either side trust the other,especially if they have already tried to nail him if this is the case.

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Post by whodunit on 19.08.15 21:47

@notlongnow--"Do you think that he was working with/for them,they then turned on him,then they all struck a deal?
How could either side trust the other,especially if they have already tried to nail him if this is the case."

That's certainly the way it looks to me.

IMO, each side is forced to trust the other by MAD--mutually assured destruction. TMc tried to gain the upper hand, TMu  side fired a salvo to let their opponents know they were not without ammunition and would use it if they had to. Deals were struck, everybody went back to their corner. A few little jabs from either side here and there, like the comments in KM's book and Murat saying last year when being re-questioned 'let them come and do a reconstruction' and so forth but basically everyone has enough ammo to ensure silence all around.

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Post by notlongnow on 19.08.15 21:50

@whodunit wrote:@notlongnow--"Do you think that he was working with/for them,they then turned on him,then they all struck a deal?
How could either side trust the other,especially if they have already tried to nail him if this is the case."

That's certainly the way it looks to me.

IMO, each side is forced to trust the other by MAD--mutually assured destruction. TMc tried to gain the upper hand, TMu  side fired a salvo to let their opponents know they were not without ammunition and would use it if they had to. Deals were struck, everybody went back to their corner. A few little jabs from either side here and there, like the comments in KM's book and Murat saying last year when being re-questioned 'let them come and do a reconstruction' and so forth but basically everyone has enough ammo to ensure silence all around.

I would have thought if it was organised to identify rm he would of made sure he was a lot further than 150 yards from the scene of the crime.

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Post by aquila on 19.08.15 21:59

Can someone remind the forum of the UK news reporter who initially pointed the finger at Robert Murat?

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Post by Guest on 19.08.15 22:05

@aquila wrote:Can someone remind the forum of the UK news reporter who initially pointed the finger at Robert Murat?
Lori Campbell.

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Post by whodunit on 19.08.15 22:20

@notlongnow wrote:
@whodunit wrote:@notlongnow--"Do you think that he was working with/for them,they then turned on him,then they all struck a deal?
How could either side trust the other,especially if they have already tried to nail him if this is the case."

That's certainly the way it looks to me.

IMO, each side is forced to trust the other by MAD--mutually assured destruction. TMc tried to gain the upper hand, TMu  side fired a salvo to let their opponents know they were not without ammunition and would use it if they had to. Deals were struck, everybody went back to their corner. A few little jabs from either side here and there, like the comments in KM's book and Murat saying last year when being re-questioned 'let them come and do a reconstruction' and so forth but basically everyone has enough ammo to ensure silence all around.

I would have thought if it was organised to identify rm he would of made sure he was a lot further than 150 yards from the scene of the crime.

After everything he probably did for them I doubt Murat expected they would try to make a patsy out of him.  On the other hand, his location 150 yards from the scene of the crime just added to his suitability as a patsy.

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Post by aquila on 19.08.15 22:25

Ladyinred wrote:
@aquila wrote:Can someone remind the forum of the UK news reporter who initially pointed the finger at Robert Murat?
Lori Campbell.
Thank you LiR, so as not to disrupt this topic, there is a thread about Lori Campbell.

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3462p20-lori-campbell-s-husband-arrested-in-hackgate-conspiracy

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Post by notlongnow on 19.08.15 22:27

@whodunit wrote:
@notlongnow wrote:
@whodunit wrote:@notlongnow--"Do you think that he was working with/for them,they then turned on him,then they all struck a deal?
How could either side trust the other,especially if they have already tried to nail him if this is the case."

That's certainly the way it looks to me.

IMO, each side is forced to trust the other by MAD--mutually assured destruction. TMc tried to gain the upper hand, TMu  side fired a salvo to let their opponents know they were not without ammunition and would use it if they had to. Deals were struck, everybody went back to their corner. A few little jabs from either side here and there, like the comments in KM's book and Murat saying last year when being re-questioned 'let them come and do a reconstruction' and so forth but basically everyone has enough ammo to ensure silence all around.

I would have thought if it was organised to identify rm he would of made sure he was a lot further than 150 yards from the scene of the crime.

After everything he probably did for them I doubt Murat expected they would try to make a patsy out of him.  On the other hand, his location 150 yards from the scene of the crime just added to his suitability as a patsy.
Surely if they double crossed him that would have been extremely risky as i'm guessing he would have info to throw at them.

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Post by Verdi on 19.08.15 22:47

@notlongnow wrote:
@sharonl wrote:
@notlongnow wrote:IF RM was asked by the mccs to fly over at short notice for whatever reason,why did the mcc team throw him to the lions?

RM seems to be the centre of everything in this case.


Why did the McCanns main benefactor, Brian Kennedy, meet up with Murat when he was suspected of abducting Madeleine?

Why did Kennedy offer this suspect a job in searching for Madeleine?

Why were Murats and McCanns mobiles switched off simultaneously for 32hours?

Why has Murat never questioned the McCanns Claims of abduction?

Why were there at least 17 changes of Murats story?

Why did Murats mother set up a stall to assist the McCanns?

Why, according to a GNR officer, did Mrs Fenn ring Murat when she said she heard a child crying?

There was never any evidence against Murat as far as an abduction was concerned, he was safe from the start, they all knew that. So no one really threw him to the lions, the press had a number of stories to sell, the McCanns got themselves a bit of extra time and Murat secured a nice little bonus of £600,0000

If true this is a very high risk game as people have been convicted for far les than 3 or 4 people all identifing him.Of course they all retracted but if the port police had taking it to court he could have have been convicted.

His changes of stories wouldn't look good in court.
His sniffing for info from the investigation also would look dubious
Switching the phones off,again not good.
I can't believe he agreed to be identified by the mcc team.
That's all very IF'fy.  There was absolutely no evidence to implicate Robert Murat in the abduction (key word) of MBM so the chances of him ever appearing before a court of law was remote to say the least - anymore than the other two primary suspects!

Do you really believe that a Portuguese court would have convicted Murat on the hearsay of a small time UK tabloid journalist and a few less than reliable witnesses who couldn't even manage to get their own stories straight?  Convicted for what - lurking on street corners after dark or resembling a non-existent abductor?  There's far more interesting stuff about Murat to fill the pages than contradictory claims by the few aforementioned about his suspicious movements on the night of 3rd/4th May.

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Post by notlongnow on 19.08.15 23:04

@Verdi wrote:
@notlongnow wrote:
@sharonl wrote:
@notlongnow wrote:IF RM was asked by the mccs to fly over at short notice for whatever reason,why did the mcc team throw him to the lions?

RM seems to be the centre of everything in this case.


Why did the McCanns main benefactor, Brian Kennedy, meet up with Murat when he was suspected of abducting Madeleine?

Why did Kennedy offer this suspect a job in searching for Madeleine?

Why were Murats and McCanns mobiles switched off simultaneously for 32hours?

Why has Murat never questioned the McCanns Claims of abduction?

Why were there at least 17 changes of Murats story?

Why did Murats mother set up a stall to assist the McCanns?

Why, according to a GNR officer, did Mrs Fenn ring Murat when she said she heard a child crying?

There was never any evidence against Murat as far as an abduction was concerned, he was safe from the start, they all knew that. So no one really threw him to the lions, the press had a number of stories to sell, the McCanns got themselves a bit of extra time and Murat secured a nice little bonus of £600,0000

If true this is a very high risk game as people have been convicted for far les than 3 or 4 people all identifing him.Of course they all retracted but if the port police had taking it to court he could have have been convicted.

His changes of stories wouldn't look good in court.
His sniffing for info from the investigation also would look dubious
Switching the phones off,again not good.
I can't believe he agreed to be identified by the mcc team.
That's all very IF'fy.  There was absolutely no evidence to implicate Robert Murat in the abduction (key word) of MBM so the chances of him ever appearing before a court of law was remote to say the least - anymore than the other two primary suspects!

Do you really believe that a Portuguese court would have convicted Murat on the hearsay of a small time UK tabloid journalist and a few less than reliable witnesses who couldn't even manage to get their own stories straight?  Convicted for what - lurking on street corners after dark or resembling a non-existent abductor?  There's far more interesting stuff about Murat to fill the pages than contradictory claims by the few aforementioned about his suspicious movements on the night of 3rd/4th May.
You maybe right,however if i agreed to be put in the frame,i'd make sure i was miles from the scene of a murder/abduction/accidental death than 150 yards away.

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Post by Verdi on 19.08.15 23:12

@notlongnow wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@notlongnow wrote:
@sharonl wrote:
@notlongnow wrote:IF RM was asked by the mccs to fly over at short notice for whatever reason,why did the mcc team throw him to the lions?

RM seems to be the centre of everything in this case.


Why did the McCanns main benefactor, Brian Kennedy, meet up with Murat when he was suspected of abducting Madeleine?

Why did Kennedy offer this suspect a job in searching for Madeleine?

Why were Murats and McCanns mobiles switched off simultaneously for 32hours?

Why has Murat never questioned the McCanns Claims of abduction?

Why were there at least 17 changes of Murats story?

Why did Murats mother set up a stall to assist the McCanns?

Why, according to a GNR officer, did Mrs Fenn ring Murat when she said she heard a child crying?

There was never any evidence against Murat as far as an abduction was concerned, he was safe from the start, they all knew that. So no one really threw him to the lions, the press had a number of stories to sell, the McCanns got themselves a bit of extra time and Murat secured a nice little bonus of £600,0000

If true this is a very high risk game as people have been convicted for far les than 3 or 4 people all identifing him.Of course they all retracted but if the port police had taking it to court he could have have been convicted.

His changes of stories wouldn't look good in court.
His sniffing for info from the investigation also would look dubious
Switching the phones off,again not good.
I can't believe he agreed to be identified by the mcc team.
That's all very IF'fy.  There was absolutely no evidence to implicate Robert Murat in the abduction (key word) of MBM so the chances of him ever appearing before a court of law was remote to say the least - anymore than the other two primary suspects!

Do you really believe that a Portuguese court would have convicted Murat on the hearsay of a small time UK tabloid journalist and a few less than reliable witnesses who couldn't even manage to get their own stories straight?  Convicted for what - lurking on street corners after dark or resembling a non-existent abductor?  There's far more interesting stuff about Murat to fill the pages than contradictory claims by the few aforementioned about his suspicious movements on the night of 3rd/4th May.
You maybe right,however if i agreed to be put in the frame,i'd make sure i was miles from the scene of a murder/abduction/accidental death than 150 yards away.
IF aiding and abetting, fingering Murat's collar could be looked upon as a convenient distraction from his true purpose?

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Post by tinkier on 20.08.15 0:56

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-COSTA.htm This statement has probably been discussed here before, its a very telling insight into the young brain of RM. His mother could see no wrong in him regardless what he did, probably remains like that to this day. RM must have been either evil/sick, or both, to carry out these atrocities on a poor defencless animal…yuck!!

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Post by sharonl on 20.08.15 7:32

There are some excellent comments on this thread.

Was Murat part of team McCann? did a row break out causing the McCans, Murat  (via Smith) to try frame each other? Or were they trying to stitch each other up from the start? Three things are certain here:

Neither party were interested in finding a real abductor

Both parties benefitted from selling their stories to the media

The media were heavily involved since the McCanns first called Sky news just before they called the police (the wrong ones).



How convenient that Lori Campbell was there and that our Prime Minister, whose wife just happened to be linked to a failing charity called Missing People, was able to release the governments head of the media monitoring unit, who controls what comes out in the press, to become spokesman for the McCanns.

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Post by BlueBag on 20.08.15 7:42

Surely if they double crossed him that would have been extremely risky as i'm guessing he would have info to throw at them.

Exactly... if he was involved then why would they point the finger at someone involved?

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Post by guest12345 on 20.08.15 9:13

Murat was framed for a number of reasons:

- A journo thought he was dodgy helping out (based on their views on Ian Huntley)
- The McCanns were desperate to get someone in the frame as eyes and fingers were starting to point to them more and more, especially by the PJ
- The media and McCanns were desperate for answers, so were grasping at any opportunity to get them

The biggest reason for me, as to why he was thrown to the wolves.....

His connection to the group and their 'activities', most importantly Murats 'activities' with Tanner...who was disgruntled with him and along with her desire for her 5 mins of fame and hunger for attention, decided to be the 'hero who identified the horrible man'...Murat.

Problem was, there was nothing on Murat at all in terms of evidence of any wrongdoing to Madeleine, only questions about his activities and connection to the tapas group.

I very much doubt there were no deals done to take the wrap and cash in etc, i think that's just over zealous imagination.

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Post by Carrry On Doctor on 20.08.15 9:35

Morning @guest12345

His connection to the group and their 'activities', most importantly Murats 'activities' with Tanner...


Can you elaborate on your own thoughts on this ? .Only purporting a theory of course !

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Post by guest12345 on 20.08.15 9:58

His connection to the group and their 'activities', most importantly Murats 'activities' with Tanner...

Can you elaborate on your own thoughts on this ? .Only purporting a theory of course !


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Sure, my thought/theory on this is that Murat was having intimate relations with Tanner, hence both their DNA being found in an apartment away from Luz. 


All IMO of course

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Post by Carrry On Doctor on 20.08.15 10:20

All very interesting.....

And this would then connect the response from GM when asked on camera about RM....."I'm not going to comment on that".

So did a Tanner / Murat relationship go some way back before the holiday ? This has probably been discussed here before ?

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Post by guest12345 on 20.08.15 10:35

All very interesting.....

And this would then connect the response from GM when asked on camera about RM....."I'm not going to comment on that".

So did a Tanner / Murat relationship go some way back before the holiday ? This has probably been discussed here before ?

Thanks
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Exactly, i have no doubt that there were multiple 'interactions' going on on that holiday, hence why GM knew Murat (although as you have observed, he uncomfortably avoided admitting it on camera"

It also explains why he was so keen to help the tapas group out so much in the early stages....until he got fingered as the guilty party. At that point, it was every man for themselves.

Re: Tanner and Murats relationship...i wouldn't know, but IMO i'm sure the 'interactions' and relationship history/times/locations are all in the non-public files

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Post by Verdi on 20.08.15 12:30

@guest12345 wrote:His connection to the group and their 'activities', most importantly Murats 'activities' with Tanner...

Can you elaborate on your own thoughts on this ? .Only purporting a theory of course !


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Sure, my thought/theory on this is that Murat was having intimate relations with Tanner, hence both their DNA being found in an apartment away from Luz. 


All IMO of course
As this forum is so widely read, in the interest of accuracy here is forensic report detail from the PJ files..

Aparthotel Sol e Mar, 2', apartment C - Burgau

As I understand it, the EMPOP database is the global repository of regional profiles of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA).
The person doing the query entered the specific mt DNA characteristics of JT's [Jane Tanner] hair into the query form and found 8 exact matches in the database, i.e. at least eight maternal lines having the identical Haplotype to JT exist in Europe.
There were no exact matches in the other three regional groups.

Because of this result the inquiry could not say with absolute certainty that the hair found in Burgau actually came from JT because it could have come from any person born of a mother belonging to any of the eight profiles in the database - one profile, of course, had to be of JT's maternal line, so it could have been some distant (or close) relative.

The Haplotype identified by the letter S, present in 2 samples, (apartment in Burgau), and identical to that of Jane Michelle Tanner (JT), meaning those samples were from that person or individuals of the same maternal bloodline.
 
mccannpjfiles.co.uk

As it stands there is no proof that Jane Tanner was ever in the apartment at Burgau, although I can understand an over zealous imagination might lead in that direction.  One hair possibily from Tanner found in the bathroom out of approx. 150 hairs harvested, hardly confirms a clandestine tryst does it?  Think about it, even if the hair was from Tanner there could be any number of innocent explanations for it being there.  

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