***Missing People Bike Ride now under way (Kate McCann, Simon Cowell and Stephen Fry back Missing People campaign on Twitter)

lj wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:Predictably, the Sun had a piece this morning - by Antonella Lazzeri - who else?, puffing up Missing People:

Kate says thanks to Sun over lost kids

by ANTONELLA LAZZERI

Kate McCann has thanked Sun readers after revealing that ten missing children have been found thanks to The Big Tweet.

Kate, whose daughter Madeleine disappeared eight years ago, launched this year's initiative in The Sun last month. She called the success "absolutely wonderful". The 47-year-old asked people to retweet appeals sent out by charity Missing People in a bit to trace vanished kids.

Three youngsters were found on the first day and seven more later. Speaking on the eve of a five-day Edinburgh to London cycle ride, Kate said "It really shows how much the public can help, I want to thank everyone who joined in and ask them to keep helping". Kate of Rothley Leics, hopes to raise £10,000 with 20 other cyclists for Missing People.


I wonder exactly how these 10 missing children were 'found' by the Missing People tweets?

That's the big lie of all missing persons organizations: they inflate the numbers who go missing, and the numbers "found" include those who came back by themselves, and are in no way numbers of "found because of the alert system".

In the US slowly the public also wakes up to this gigantic fraud. 

An ambiance in which Kate must feel very at home though.

The craft of this charity is it exists entirely on this one phrase "we are a lifeline when someone disappears". A seven word catchprase that is never demonstrated in any great detail.

No British MSM has ever to my knowledge questioned the validity/effectiveness of this particular charity. Not one journalist nosey enough to take a good look at the whole setup. Not one 'mystery customer', not one financial journalist, not one journalist interested in a charity with a monopoly and a very cosy relationship with large businesses, the Home Office, the UK police, EU support etc.

aquila wrote:

lj wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:Predictably, the Sun had a piece this morning - by Antonella Lazzeri - who else?, puffing up Missing People:

Kate says thanks to Sun over lost kids

by ANTONELLA LAZZERI

Kate McCann has thanked Sun readers after revealing that ten missing children have been found thanks to The Big Tweet.

Kate, whose daughter Madeleine disappeared eight years ago, launched this year's initiative in The Sun last month. She called the success "absolutely wonderful". The 47-year-old asked people to retweet appeals sent out by charity Missing People in a bit to trace vanished kids.

Three youngsters were found on the first day and seven more later. Speaking on the eve of a five-day Edinburgh to London cycle ride, Kate said "It really shows how much the public can help, I want to thank everyone who joined in and ask them to keep helping". Kate of Rothley Leics, hopes to raise £10,000 with 20 other cyclists for Missing People.


I wonder exactly how these 10 missing children were 'found' by the Missing People tweets?

That's the big lie of all missing persons organizations: they inflate the numbers who go missing, and the numbers "found" include those who came back by themselves, and are in no way numbers of "found because of the alert system".

In the US slowly the public also wakes up to this gigantic fraud. 

An ambiance in which Kate must feel very at home though.

The craft of this charity is it exists entirely on this one phrase "we are a lifeline when someone disappears". A seven word catchprase that is never demonstrated in any great detail.

No British MSM has ever to my knowledge questioned the validity/effectiveness of this particular charity. Not one journalist nosey enough to take a good look at the whole setup. Not one 'mystery customer', not one financial journalist, not one journalist interested in a charity with a monopoly and a very cosy relationship with large businesses, the Home Office, the UK police, EU support etc.

That is the most meaningful thing I have read all day about the McCanns and what surrounds them.

Nina wrote:

aquila wrote:

The craft of this charity is it exists entirely on this one phrase "we are a lifeline when someone disappears". A seven word catchprase that is never demonstrated in any great detail.

No British MSM has ever to my knowledge questioned the validity/effectiveness of this particular charity. Not one journalist nosey enough to take a good look at the whole setup. Not one 'mystery customer', not one financial journalist, not one journalist interested in a charity with a monopoly and a very cosy relationship with large businesses, the Home Office, the UK police, EU support etc.

That is the most meaningful thing I have read all day about the McCanns and what surrounds them.

Valid points raised above.

Their last annual report, which does expand quite a bit on their activities, can be read at this link:

https://www.missingpeople.org.uk/about-us/who-we-are/our-finances.html

Their total annual income in the past two years is around the £2.5 million mark.

They rely quite a lot on volunteers to give advice and help to people whose close ones have gone missing.

They have six named 'Patrons'.

Three of them are:

Sir Richard Branson
Sir Cliff Richard and
Stephen Fry

Why are Cliff Richard and Steven Fry so keen to get "runaway teenagers" back home so quickly ?

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:The Mcs (& sadly the twins) will be thrown to the wolves once the Establishment is sufficiently sure it's safe to do so, i.e. the reveal can't do any harm

Yes - the protection of the Mcs  is just a consequence -
The Mcs must always live life looking behind themselves

As is clear already, this Missing People bike ride is very much in the public eye - and expected to be ever more so as the event moves ever closer to London.

I've been having a quick look around the McCann-doubting FB groups, and sad to say I have seen some of people's frustration, anger and even hatred towards the McCanns spilling out into some very nasty comments indeed, some much worse than some of Brenda Leyland's worst.

If sections of the government and the mainstream media want another excuse to clamp down on the internet, take powers to close down websites and forums, send internet trolls to prison for longer than two years etc., nothing would suit them better just now than to be able to extract some of the nastiest comments and to make hay with them, alongside picutures of a grieving mother valiantly striving to raise money for a worthy cause.

Just look, for example, at how the Sun ably milked the willing nastinesss of Rosalinda Hutton, aided and abetted as we know by Sonia Poulton.  

And this is still how much of the population will see it - nasty people hounding a noble, brave woman. Probably that's much how the man-in-the-street  also assessed the nasty tweets and the suicide of Brenda Leyland, even though we mightr see it rather differently here. 

So I hope if members here happen to see any of these nasty comments in the next few days, they will help to get them removed. They will only do harm to the cause of forums like this one.

Film-makers like Jenny Kleeman may be watching closely

[quote="PeterMac"]Why are Cliff Richard and Steven Fry so keen to get "runaway teenagers" back home so quickly ?

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Depends a bit on whose home, doesn't it?

Tony Bennett wrote:As is clear already, this Missing People bike ride is very much in the public eye - and expected to be ever more so as the event moves ever closer to London.

I've been having a quick look around the McCann-doubting FB groups, and sad to say I have seen some of people's frustration, anger and even hatred towards the McCanns spilling out into some very nasty comments indeed, some much worse than some of Brenda Leyland's worst.

If sections of the government and the mainstream media want another excuse to clamp down on the internet, take powers to close down websites and forums, send internet trolls to prison for longer than two years etc., nothing would suit them better just now than to be able to extract some of the nastiest comments and to make hay with them, alongside picutures of a grieving mother valiantly striving to raise money for a worthy cause.

Just look, for example, at how the Sun ably milked the willing nastinesss of Rosalinda Hutton, aided and abetted as we know by Sonia Poulton.  

And this is still how much of the population will see it - nasty people hounding a noble, brave woman. Probably that's much how the man-in-the-street  also assessed the nasty tweets and the suicide of Brenda Leyland, even though we mightr see it rather differently here. 

So I hope if members here happen to see any of these nasty comments in the next few days, they will help to get them removed. They will only do harm to the cause of forums like this one.

Film-makers like Jenny Kleeman may be watching closely

Interesting thought, was the MP Bike Ride deliberately staged to provoke a reaction?

I predict this bikeathon will be a net financial loss ( not that MP will advertise the fact. It's accounts are as transparent as you know who's).  Usually when people undertake to participate worthy fundraisers, they cover their own costs whether it be the London marathon or trekking the Sahara desert. 
Costs in respect of actual activities must be minimal for MP. Free FB & Twitter, lots of free publicity because of their ambassador and the hard work done by volunteers. 
I would love to know how it justifies such a huge wage bill and running costs and what the staff actually do?
On second thoughts perhaps I'm being a little harsh.  Gala dinners and self congratulations don't come cheap.

Newcastle, York, Nottingham and London are......... 'preparing' themselves!

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:As is clear already, this Missing People bike ride is very much in the public eye - and expected to be ever more so as the event moves ever closer to London.

I've been having a quick look around the McCann-doubting FB groups, and sad to say I have seen some of people's frustration, anger and even hatred towards the McCanns spilling out into some very nasty comments indeed, some much worse than some of Brenda Leyland's worst.

If sections of the government and the mainstream media want another excuse to clamp down on the internet, take powers to close down websites and forums, send internet trolls to prison for longer than two years etc., nothing would suit them better just now than to be able to extract some of the nastiest comments and to make hay with them, alongside picutures of a grieving mother valiantly striving to raise money for a worthy cause.

Just look, for example, at how the Sun ably milked the willing nastinesss of Rosalinda Hutton, aided and abetted as we know by Sonia Poulton.  

And this is still how much of the population will see it - nasty people hounding a noble, brave woman. Probably that's much how the man-in-the-street  also assessed the nasty tweets and the suicide of Brenda Leyland, even though we mightr see it rather differently here. 

So I hope if members here happen to see any of these nasty comments in the next few days, they will help to get them removed. They will only do harm to the cause of forums like this one.

Film-makers like Jenny Kleeman may be watching closely

Interesting thought, was the MP Bike Ride deliberately staged to provoke a reaction?

Yes.

Also.. who is posting the "troll" messages?

Problem-reaction-solution.

It's too easy to lead the public by the nose.

Seems to me they are being treated better than the Royal family.  What next, a sponsored horse race at Ascot?

Those grinning faces for the cameras, makes me sick - Maddie possibly alive in the hands of paedoes or dead with no sign of her little body being found.    No way would I be grinning  for cameras no matter if 50 years had passed by.

PAH.

'Kate' has found 10 missing children with her big tweet. Who is writing this rubbish?
I think she needs to have words with whoever issues these alerts because I can't recall the media reporting 10 children going missing.
How contemptible is she and MP? 

 I wonder how much they do for the hundreds of children who flee the corrupt care system every year? Probably don't count. After all they are not the most beautiful, intelligent,  nearly 4 year old you could ever be fortunate enough to come across.

Ladyinred wrote:Well said, sammyc.

Apparently K is going to be on TV on Monday.  She's unable to stay out of the limelight.

It's like groundhog day.

Well I am surprised - NOT.

All smiles when discussing the bike ride and how the money raised will be helping other families and then sad, sad face when Maddie is mentioned no doubt.

I shan't be watching her for sure.

I am sick of them and all this grinning and as a parent I would be not be doing so on tv as I would be thinking what if my daughter is watcing all of this.  What would she make of all this grinning and charity events, helping other people, when she didn't answer those 48 questions.

PAH PAH PAH.

How about a sponsored lie detector test - heck I would donate £100  if that ever came about.

snook wrote:'Kate' has found 10 missing children with her big tweet. Who is writing this rubbish?
I think she needs to have words with whoever issues these alerts because I can't recall the media reporting 10 children going missing.
How contemptible is she and MP? 

 I wonder how much they do for the hundreds of children who flee the corrupt care system every year? Probably don't count. After all they are not the most beautiful, intelligent,  nearly 4 year old you could ever be fortunate enough to come across.

"Kate" has found 10 missing children with her big tweet, but SY can't find any sign of Maddie despite zillions having been spent.   Maybe SY should try using a big tweet instead.

Purlease, enough already.

plebgate wrote:

snook wrote:'Kate' has found 10 missing children with her big tweet. Who is writing this rubbish?
I think she needs to have words with whoever issues these alerts because I can't recall the media reporting 10 children going missing.
How contemptible is she and MP? 

 I wonder how much they do for the hundreds of children who flee the corrupt care system every year? Probably don't count. After all they are not the most beautiful, intelligent,  nearly 4 year old you could ever be fortunate enough to come across.

"Kate" has found 10 missing children with her big tweet, but SY can't find any sign of Maddie despite zillions having been spent.   Maybe SY should try using a big tweet instead.

Purlease, enough already.

I agree, its beyond ridiculous.

Here is the Child Rescue Alert webpage. I apologise for the length of this post. I'm posting up the entire article.

I remember that Kate McCann was the face that launched digital media boards on behalf of Missing People - on that very day a runaway teenager was miraculously located by none other than the police. This young girl had her face plastered all over the Birmingham Mail and the national media.

Absolutely no proof was ever given that the digital media board was instrumental in anyway whatsoever in locating this youngster who had gone missing before and went missing again if I recall correctly. The police and social services already had it covered.

With regards to the launch of Child Rescue Alert - the first alert (which Jo Youle was proud to endorse went 'seemlessly'). The teenager was located by the police. Once again there is absolutely no proof given that the Child Rescue Alert led to the discovery of this runaway teenager.

There has been a very sad case, that of a young girl found by police hanging in a bush. Interestingly it was in the Nottinghamshire area (the area that did the very first CRA) and no Child Rescue Alert went out. The police dealt with it. The media showed restraint and dealt with it.

There is another current case in the newspapers of a mother who rejected a court ruling and
'abducted' her own child. No Child Rescue Alert went out and the child has been returned to his father. The police and the media dealt with it.

In the case of little Mikaeel Kular. No Child Rescue Alert was necessary. The police and the media dealt with it.

Then we come to April Jones whose mother is now advocating Child Rescue Alert on behalf of Missing People. CRA wouldn't and couldn't have helped poor little April. The police and the media dealt with it.

The fact - and it IS a fact - is that when a very young child goes missing in UK the police and the media do a great job and so do the public.

The fact - and it IS a fact - is that Child Rescue Alert is being promoted by Kate McCann and Coral Jones which wouldn't have benefitted the disappearance of their children. What power these charities have to suggest that it's about very young children when it's not.

I could go on and on. I'm posting up the CRA article. Just take a look at the first line which I've highlighted and the picture of a small child.


Act now. It’s free! You could save a child’s life
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Child Rescue Alert

[ltr]The FREE Child Rescue Alert app is now available, click to download from the Apple store also available to Android users.[/ltr]

[ltr]Latest News [/ltr]
[ltr]25/05/2015:  [/ltr]
Today, International Missing Children’s Day, marks the first anniversary of the launch of the enhanced Child Rescue Alert. The system is managed in partnership between Missing People, CEOP, a command of the National Crime Agency, and GroupCall. It has been made possible thanks to players of People’s Postcode Lottery Dream Fund.

Over the past year, the Child Rescue Alert partners have worked hard to raise awareness of the system by consistently building its reach through major new partnerships and by encouraging members of the public to sign up at over 65 sign up events and through high profile national media coverage. There are now 287,000 people signed up to receive the alerts.

Further highlights over the past year have included:
- A fundraising dinner at London’s Mondrian Hotel, in October
- A feature on Good Morning Britain in November highlighting the system, which lead to a further 70,000 sign-ups. Following the feature, the Child Rescue Alert app was in the top 100 most popular apps on app store Google Play.
       
- December saw the beginning of a partnership with Royal Mail Group. With 124,000 Royal Mail staff receiving alerts on their PDA and more eyes and ears than ever before to the ground when a high-risk child goes missing. The partnership between the charity Missing People and Royal Mail, which includes Child Rescue Alert, has recently been recognised with a Business Charity Award. 
 
- The first enhanced Child Rescue Alert was launched in March, with the subject on the alert, a 14 year old girl from Nottingham, being found safe and well within 24 hours of the alert being issued. 

We would like to take this opportunity to thank all of the Child Rescue Alert partners who have joined up to receive the alerts this year and recognise the enormous value in this ground-breaking national system. Over the coming year we will look forward to further building the network of partners and members of the public who sign up to receive the alert seeing this project go from strength to strength.

[ltr]11/03/2015:  [/ltr]
On 10 March 2015 the first, national Child Rescue Alert in the UK, was issued using the new system.  A 14 year old girl went missing from her home in Nottinghamshire. The Police ordered an alert be issued and the system went into action.  Groupcall’s dedicated software ensured that every subscriber to Child Rescue Alert received the alert. The alert appeared on Facebook pages and Twitter feeds and on the hand held devices of 124,000 Royal Mail postal workers.

Thankfully the child was found safe and well less than 24 hours later.  Jo Youle Missing People Chief Executive said : “The Child Rescue Alert process went seamlessly and it's great that the child was found. Child Rescue Alert would not be possible without the National Crime Agency, Groupcall players of People’s Postcode Lottery, Royal Mail, LexisNexis, BHS, Press Association and Child Rescue Alert Patrons.”

And how does this particular child alert system in the U.K. affect what happened to MBM who went missing in Portugal? A most unusual case in itself, because i believe children of parents that holiday abroad rarely turn up missing? I can't think of too many cases like that offhand. But i guess if like the McC's you leave 3 very small children to fend for themselves in an otherwise empty holiday apartment while the parents are out having a good time, then is it any big surprise if something tragic happens? Maybe K. McC should be advocating for such systems in foreign countries seeing as her own child went missing in Portugal and not the U.K.

Joss wrote:And how does this particular child alert system in the U.K. affect what happened to MBM who went missing in Portugal? A most unusual case in itself, because i believe children of parents that holiday abroad rarely turn up missing? I can't think of too many cases like that offhand. But i guess if like the McC's you leave 3 very small children to fend for themselves in an otherwise empty holiday apartment while the parents are out having a good time, then is it any big surprise if something tragic happens? Maybe K. McC should be advocating for such systems in foreign countries seeing as her own child went missing in Portugal and not the U.K.

Joss, holiday packs, luggage tags (need I say more) and a really dreadful daytime telly item by Fiona Philips (patron of Missing People) about tagging your kids on the beach in case you lose them.

It's also worth noting that Missing People have no remit (it's somewhere in the labyrinth of their website) to deal with children missing abroad.

I really do wish someone would look into this charity.

aquila wrote:

Joss wrote:And how does this particular child alert system in the U.K. affect what happened to MBM who went missing in Portugal? A most unusual case in itself, because i believe children of parents that holiday abroad rarely turn up missing? I can't think of too many cases like that offhand. But i guess if like the McC's you leave 3 very small children to fend for themselves in an otherwise empty holiday apartment while the parents are out having a good time, then is it any big surprise if something tragic happens? Maybe K. McC should be advocating for such systems in foreign countries seeing as her own child went missing in Portugal and not the U.K.

Joss, holiday packs, luggage tags (need I say more) and a really dreadful daytime telly item by Fiona Philips (patron of Missing People) about tagging your kids on the beach in case you lose them.

It's also worth noting that Missing People have no remit (it's somewhere in the labyrinth of their website) to deal with children missing abroad.

I really do wish someone would look into this charity.

Agree.

Tony Bennett wrote:As is clear already, this Missing People bike ride is very much in the public eye - and expected to be ever more so as the event moves ever closer to London.

I've been having a quick look around the McCann-doubting FB groups, and sad to say I have seen some of people's frustration, anger and even hatred towards the McCanns spilling out into some very nasty comments indeed, some much worse than some of Brenda Leyland's worst.

If sections of the government and the mainstream media want another excuse to clamp down on the internet, take powers to close down websites and forums, send internet trolls to prison for longer than two years etc., nothing would suit them better just now than to be able to extract some of the nastiest comments and to make hay with them, alongside picutures of a grieving mother valiantly striving to raise money for a worthy cause.

Just look, for example, at how the Sun ably milked the willing nastinesss of Rosalinda Hutton, aided and abetted as we know by Sonia Poulton.  

And this is still how much of the population will see it - nasty people hounding a noble, brave woman. Probably that's much how the man-in-the-street  also assessed the nasty tweets and the suicide of Brenda Leyland, even though we mightr see it rather differently here. 

So I hope if members here happen to see any of these nasty comments in the next few days, they will help to get them removed. They will only do harm to the cause of forums like this one.

Film-makers like Jenny Kleeman may be watching closely

Not content to discredit independent witnesses, Bennett now wants to silence McCann critics.
How much proof do his gullible flock need to see through this creep.
You are on the McCon payroll Bennett.
Your time is coming sleazeball.

Joss wrote:And how does this particular child alert system in the U.K. affect what happened to MBM who went missing in Portugal? A most unusual case in itself, because i believe children of parents that holiday abroad rarely turn up missing? I can't think of too many cases like that offhand. But i guess if like the McC's you leave 3 very small children to fend for themselves in an otherwise empty holiday apartment while the parents are out having a good time, then is it any big surprise if something tragic happens? Maybe K. McC should be advocating for such systems in foreign countries seeing as her own child went missing in Portugal and not the U.K.

Even if they had it in Portugal, how does it work in cases where the child is so young they have no way to get themselves more than a few feet of where they last where?  In that case the police and people in the locality are allready looking - no  alert needed apart from calling the police.  If a 14 year old goes missing and went away by their own choice it makes sense for the public to be alerted and looking out for them on public transport, shops, public places they might have been etc.

   If a very young child is taken or goes missing and the child was abducted by some one for criminal purposes, sad to say but it will not really help if the public are 'on the look out' as the perpetrator will carry out things quickly and away from public places. Again alerting the police is the only real strategy for finding that child.

  To me this role for the missing persons charity is all about associating the McCann case with 'Abduction' over all else.  K. McCann wants to campaign for this alert because it implies that their case was one of abuduction, the message is loud and clear, abduction occured in their case otherwise why would KM be campaigning for such an alert?     If the campaign is successful or not makes no difference, being seen to support it is important.
 
''If your child went missing wouldn’t you want the world to stop and look for them? A Child Rescue Alert is activated when a child is known to have been abducted or their life is believed to be at immediate risk. Every second counts and your support is vital.

ChippyM wrote:

Joss wrote:And how does this particular child alert system in the U.K. affect what happened to MBM who went missing in Portugal? A most unusual case in itself, because i believe children of parents that holiday abroad rarely turn up missing? I can't think of too many cases like that offhand. But i guess if like the McC's you leave 3 very small children to fend for themselves in an otherwise empty holiday apartment while the parents are out having a good time, then is it any big surprise if something tragic happens? Maybe K. McC should be advocating for such systems in foreign countries seeing as her own child went missing in Portugal and not the U.K.

Even if they had it in Portugal, how does it work in cases where the child is so young they have no way to get themselves more than a few feet of where they last where?  In that case the police and people in the locality are allready looking - no  alert needed apart from calling the police.  If a 14 year old goes missing and went away by their own choice it makes sense for the public to be alerted and looking out for them on public transport, shops, public places they might have been etc.

   If a very young child is taken or goes missing and the child was abducted by some one for criminal purposes, sad to say but it will not really help if the public are 'on the look out' as the perpetrator will carry out things quickly and away from public places. Again alerting the police is the only real strategy for finding that child.

  To me this role for the missing persons charity is all about associating the McCann case with 'Abduction' over all else.  K. McCann wants to campaign for this alert because it implies that their case was one of abuduction, the message is loud and clear, abduction occured in their case otherwise why would KM be campaigning for such an alert?     If the campaign is successful or not makes no difference, being seen to support it is important.
 
''If your child went missing wouldn’t you want the world to stop and look for them? A Child Rescue Alert is activated when a child is known to have been abducted or their life is believed to be at immediate risk. Every second counts and your support is vital.

I think the alert systems are a good way to get the info. of a missing child out there for sure. It doesn't save every child, but does help locate some, and of course every minute is vital, especially within the first 24-48 hrs. in such a case.
And K. McC is no  example of a mother who's child was abducted IMO, considering there is absolutely no evidence of an abduction having taken place in the case of her daughter's disappearance. Maybe she is doing this type of thing to relieve her conscience, who knows?