Re: Goncalo Amaral's interview 23 Jan 2015 after the libel trial hearing - FULL TRANSCRIPT

by Joss 24.01.15 12:18

Is GA saying Murat has been made an arguido again in this excerpt from the interview?

Gonçalo Amaral – Because of interferences that took place, without interferences we would have gone further. Have no doubts about that. That is why the process was archived. When the shelving took place, the couple and another person were arguidos. Any one of them could have requested the opening of the instruction and continued the process. None of them did it, the couple because they didn’t want to, they didn’t want to do it, and the other person because he received compensation from the British courts, so he didn’t do it, he was very satisfied, and now it seems that he is an arguido again. This is what happens –

by tiny 24.01.15 12:36

What a pair of low lying bast**** the mccanns are,i just hope Mr Amaral sues the arse off them,but failing that I hope he writes another book with all the things he didn't say in his last book.---------GO GET EM AMARAL------

by jeanmonroe 24.01.15 13:45

Joss wrote:Is GA saying Murat has been made an arguido again in this excerpt from the interview?

Gonçalo Amaral – Because of interferences that took place, without interferences we would have gone further. Have no doubts about that. That is why the process was archived. When the shelving took place, the couple and another person were arguidos. Any one of them could have requested the opening of the instruction and continued the process. None of them did it, the couple because they didn’t want to, they didn’t want to do it, and the other person because he received compensation from the British courts, so he didn’t do it, he was very satisfied, and now it seems that he is an arguido again. This is what happens –

RM is NOT an 'arguido'

The only 'arguido's' are DCI Mahog's first 'list' consisting of the 'local', to PDL, FOUR.

"50 (years old?) Druggie/schitzo man,(IDEAL SY/MET/OG 'PATSY' MATERIAL, ala B George) young man (20 years old?) taxi man and SM"

Not even sure IF SM IS still an 'arguido'

Although, once 'named' as an 'arguido' under Portuguese 'law', that's what you are, until the ongoing 'case', in which you've been 'made' arguido is 'archived, solved or dismissed'

RM was 'on' the BIG 'list' (ELEVEN, 11,) named as a 'witness' 'sniffed out' by the super elite, experienced, 37 full time SY/MET/OG 'team', on, as it turned out, DCI Mahog's 'last' duty free booze 'run' to Portugal. winkwink

AIMO, obviously!

by joyce1938 24.01.15 14:44

Oh my god , I am gobsmacked ,this case is much more than most of us ever dreamed of ,how to stop this ? Its an absalute disgrace from both british side and the portuguese too ,right from the start.. what is at the bottom of this ?How could this happen ? no wonder mr amaral looked so ill at one stage .how brave this man must be . joyce1938

by plebgate 24.01.15 15:15

Joss wrote:
worriedmum wrote:quote''
Gonçalo Amaral – Indeed they do. I will give you one example. We speak about the book and we speak about the documentary. We forget another detail. In 2009, in January of 2009, I lived in the Algarve and was indicated to run for mayor of Olhão on behalf of the Social Democratic Party [PSD]. And that alerted that family, that situation of destabilising me, and Mr Gerald McCann came to Lisbon, there’s news from that time, he met with a top political official from PSD who has a French surname, with Dr Rogério Alves and with Dr Isabel Duarte – this is what is said, it’s what was published – and what happened then was that PSD gave me up as a candidate. This puts rights at stake, the rights of a citizen, the rights of a Portuguese citizen, and someone comes from the outside to do it. It’s the right to be elected. And this is when they start thinking about the lawsuit. It’s not about what is in the book, what is in the documentary, because what the book and the documentary contain is what is in the process. They contain technical opinions. And it’s the fear of that issue – when they come over here and put the right to be elected at stake, with the acquiescence of people inside PSD, that this happened.''

If this is true, it is outrageous. I'm shocked.
It is, and the disgraceful way in which Goncalo Amaral has been treated by the McCann's in their pursuit of their revenge against him is just vile. All this makes me think there is validity to the speculation of G. McC having political connections and is most likely why they have never been charged with anything.

If Rocky can prove that this did happen and he took it to the European Court of Human Rights and won, what damages would he receive from any and all invovled?   Massive IMO.

I wonder if, as soon as this case is out of the way (and at the mo. it does look favourable for him), then he will start his own court action.   Maybe as someone said before he will be too tired, but I hope that if he win, he does find the strength to take it on.

This should never be allowed to happen again to anyone.   OUTRAGEOUS INDEED.

by ScarletLaw 24.01.15 15:16

He should come over here and do some interviews because it's important that the public see the truth about the McCanns. If he can't get on main stream media, because of Clarence's interference (hi-btw Clarence,) he should try Russell Brand or somebody similar off mainstream because these people have lots of viewers who subscribe to their Youtube channels etc. It would be good for people to see the injustice he's suffered and see through the lies of the McCanns, who so far has fed the public lots of misinformation.

by NickE 24.01.15 16:17

by Joss 24.01.15 16:23

plebgate wrote:
Joss wrote:
worriedmum wrote:quote''
Gonçalo Amaral – Indeed they do. I will give you one example. We speak about the book and we speak about the documentary. We forget another detail. In 2009, in January of 2009, I lived in the Algarve and was indicated to run for mayor of Olhão on behalf of the Social Democratic Party [PSD]. And that alerted that family, that situation of destabilising me, and Mr Gerald McCann came to Lisbon, there’s news from that time, he met with a top political official from PSD who has a French surname, with Dr Rogério Alves and with Dr Isabel Duarte – this is what is said, it’s what was published – and what happened then was that PSD gave me up as a candidate. This puts rights at stake, the rights of a citizen, the rights of a Portuguese citizen, and someone comes from the outside to do it. It’s the right to be elected. And this is when they start thinking about the lawsuit. It’s not about what is in the book, what is in the documentary, because what the book and the documentary contain is what is in the process. They contain technical opinions. And it’s the fear of that issue – when they come over here and put the right to be elected at stake, with the acquiescence of people inside PSD, that this happened.''

If this is true, it is outrageous. I'm shocked.
It is, and the disgraceful way in which Goncalo Amaral has been treated by the McCann's in their pursuit of their revenge against him is just vile. All this makes me think there is validity to the speculation of G. McC having political connections and is most likely why they have never been charged with anything.
If Rocky can prove that this did happen and he took it to the European Court of Human Rights and won, what damages would he receive from any and all invovled?   Massive IMO.

I wonder if, as soon as this case is out of the way (and at the mo. it does look favourable for him), then he will start his own court action.   Maybe as someone said before he will be too tired, but I hope that if he win, he does find the strength to take it on.

This should never be allowed to happen again to anyone.   OUTRAGEOUS INDEED.

I hope Goncalo Amaral finds the strength to take the McC's to task over what they have done to him as well. I believe this happened to him because of the people in positions of power that were responsible for engineering it all for reasons unknown yet. I don't think i have ever heard of another missing child case with this degree of secrecy behind it all with so many strange people involved. What the heck has been going on is anyone's guess. It really is all very convoluted.

by Joss 24.01.15 16:27

jeanmonroe wrote:
Joss wrote:Is GA saying Murat has been made an arguido again in this excerpt from the interview?

Gonçalo Amaral – Because of interferences that took place, without interferences we would have gone further. Have no doubts about that. That is why the process was archived. When the shelving took place, the couple and another person were arguidos. Any one of them could have requested the opening of the instruction and continued the process. None of them did it, the couple because they didn’t want to, they didn’t want to do it, and the other person because he received compensation from the British courts, so he didn’t do it, he was very satisfied, and now it seems that he is an arguido again. This is what happens –

RM is NOT an 'arguido'

The only 'arguido's' are DCI Mahog's first 'list' consisting of the 'local', to PDL, FOUR.

"50 (years old?) Druggie/schitzo man,(IDEAL SY/MET/OG 'PATSY' MATERIAL, ala B George) young man (20 years old?) taxi man and SM"

Not even sure IF SM IS still an 'arguido'

Although, once 'named' as an 'arguido' under Portuguese 'law', that's what you are, until the ongoing 'case', in which you've been 'made' arguido is 'archived, solved or dismissed'

RM was 'on' the BIG 'list' (ELEVEN, 11,) named as a 'witness' 'sniffed out' by the super elite, experienced, 37 full time SY/MET/OG 'team', on, as it turned out, DCI Mahog's 'last' duty free booze 'run' to Portugal.

AIMO, obviously!

Thanks for clearing that up smilie

by Jauna Loca 24.01.15 19:56

Joss wrote:Is GA saying Murat has been made an arguido again in this excerpt from the interview?

Gonçalo Amaral – Because of interferences that took place, without interferences we would have gone further. Have no doubts about that. That is why the process was archived. When the shelving took place, the couple and another person were arguidos. Any one of them could have requested the opening of the instruction and continued the process. None of them did it, the couple because they didn’t want to, they didn’t want to do it, and the other person because he received compensation from the British courts, so he didn’t do it, he was very satisfied, and now it seems that he is an arguido again. This is what happens –

IMO that's exactly what he is saying. Remember the only info we have leaking to us about the case could by McSpin. The Lusa report on Wednesday clearly shows that Team McCann's Portugese Press Agency are earning their retainer.

Interesting here how, while Kate McCann has gone to great lengths in her book and in pre court press articles to claim that she has never met Amaral and how she wondered how it would effect her to meet him in court, that this is apparantly untrue. Amaral states clearly that though he did not question them, he did meet them. Wonder why that meeting had to be totally denied by the Mcs?

Their scuppering of Dr. Amaral's political intentions is pure vindictiveness. That they have gotten away with it is a scandal. Paints their lawyer in a bad light too, doesn't it, by her involvement in such spiteful, underhand dealings. All IMO of course.

by **Tony Bennett** 24.01.15 20:39

Tony Bennett wrote:Gonçalo Amaral’s interview on Agora Nós, RTP1, 23.01.2015

Anchor – But Gonçalo, they had to defend themselves with the weapons at hand, if they think they are innocent…

Gonçalo Amaral – Indeed they do. I will give you one example. We speak about the book and we speak about the documentary. We forget another detail. In 2009, in January of 2009, I lived in the Algarve and was indicated to run for mayor of Olhão on behalf of the Social Democratic Party [PSD]. And that alerted that family, that situation of destabilising me, and Mr Gerald McCann came to Lisbon, there’s news from that time, he met with a top political official from PSD who has a French surname, with Dr Rogério Alves and with Dr Isabel Duarte – this is what is said, it’s what was published – and what happened then was that PSD gave me up as a candidate.

No-one has yet commented on the big picture here.

The following facts have all been discussed here on CMOMM and elsewhere:

1. Within days of Gordon Brown becoming Prime Minister, SPD/PSD (Socialist) Prime Minister Jose Socrates comes to London and meets Gordon Brown

2. The British government is well aware that Socrates is as corrupt as they come because British banks funded huge bribes to Socrates and another government minister over the permission for a massive Freeport development on the Algarve coast - wholly contrary to E.U. environmental regulations

3. Gordon Brown and Gerry McCann 'phone each other regularly in May 2007

4. Gordon Brown leans on Portuguese government to force PJ to release details of the ridiculous 'Tannerman' sighting

5. Days after the McCanns return to England, Gordon Brown visits Leicestershire Police

6. Gordon Brown prevails on the Portuguese government to remove Goncalo Amaral from the Madeleine McCann investigation

7. In October Jose Socrates and Gordon Brown meet and discuss Madeleine at the Lisbon E.U. summit

8. Late last year Jose Socrates was humiliatingly bundled into a police van and remanded in custody on serious corruption charges.

So, when Goncalo Amaral says in his interview

"Mr Gerald McCann came to Lisbon, there’s news from that time, he met with a top political official from PSD"

we can be sure that this 'top political official from the PSD (Socialists)' would be a close mate of the corrupt Socrates.

Everything in this case - Goncalo Amaral's removal...Goncalo Amaral prevented from standing for election...maybe also obtaining the conviction of Amaral in 2009...maybe (we shall see) even the 'fixing' of this libel trial...and certainly the setting-up of the Operation Grange charade, all, all, all has been organised and run right from the very top, in both the U.K. and Portugal - right from the flying-out to Portugal on 4 May of dozens of assorted PR men, MI5 and CEOP bods, British police, counsellors and other hangers-on, to the appointment of Blair's top media manipulator Clarence Mitchell on Sunday 6 May to run the PR show.

It is all so pitifully obvious...

...IMO

by Gaggzy 24.01.15 20:47

Whenever I feel shocked by another McCann revelation, and like many others, wonder how the hell they are still not locked up in prison, I remind myself of the fact that they have met and been on first-name terms with the country's last three Prime Ministers. (even having direct mobile phone access!).

If myself and Mrs Gaggzy were in their position (perish the thought) I would be pretty damned confident of batting away all attempts to have me brought to book by the law.

I wonder if they've already 'primed' Milliband in case he wins this year's election? friends

by **Tony Bennett** 24.01.15 21:07

Gaggzy wrote:I wonder if they've already 'primed' Miliband in case he wins this year's election?

That's Clarence's job.

He was at ease running Blair's media manipulation unit, he has been at ease running the McCann show, he is at ease with the Murdochs, getting a nice PR number at Freud Communications, he personally arranged the McCanns' visit to the Pope, he was just as comfortable working in David Cameron's media unit with ex-NOTW editor Andy Coulson, he's comfortable as a Conservative candidate in the coming election, he lords it over Britain's media and their editors...he swims at the very top echelon of the establishment...

...in the unlikely event that the British people vote in Miliband as PM and Ed Balls to ruin our fragile ecomony once again...

...Clarence will tell him what to do

by Google.Gaspar.Statements 24.01.15 21:10

Tony Bennett wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:Gonçalo Amaral’s interview on Agora Nós, RTP1, 23.01.2015

Anchor – But Gonçalo, they had to defend themselves with the weapons at hand, if they think they are innocent…

Gonçalo Amaral – Indeed they do. I will give you one example. We speak about the book and we speak about the documentary. We forget another detail. In 2009, in January of 2009, I lived in the Algarve and was indicated to run for mayor of Olhão on behalf of the Social Democratic Party [PSD]. And that alerted that family, that situation of destabilising me, and Mr Gerald McCann came to Lisbon, there’s news from that time, he met with a top political official from PSD who has a French surname, with Dr Rogério Alves and with Dr Isabel Duarte – this is what is said, it’s what was published – and what happened then was that PSD gave me up as a candidate.
No-one has yet commented on the big picture here.

The following facts have all been discussed here on CMOMM and elsewhere:

1. Within days of Gordon Brown becoming Prime Minister, SPD/PSD (Socialist) Prime Minister Jose Socrates comes to London and meets Gordon Brown

2. The British government is well aware that Socrates is as corrupt as they come because British banks funded huge bribes to Socrates and another government minister over the permission for a massive Freeport development on the Algarve coast - wholly contrary to E.U. environmental regulations

3. Gordon Brown and Gerry McCann 'phone each other regularly in May 2007

4. Gordon Brown leans on Portuguese government to force PJ to release details of the ridiculous 'Tannerman' sighting

5. Days after the McCanns return to England, Gordon Brown visits Leicestershire Police

6. Gordon Brown prevails on the Portuguese government to remove Goncalo Amaral from the Madeleine McCann investigation

7. In October Jose Socrates and Gordon Brown meet and discuss Madeleine at the Lisbon E.U. summit

8. Late last year Jose Socrates was humiliatingly bundled into a police van and remanded in custody on serious corruption charges.

So, when Goncalo Amaral says in his interview

"Mr Gerald McCann came to Lisbon, there’s news from that time, he met with a top political official from PSD"

we can be sure that this 'top political official from the PSD (Socialists)' would be a close mate of the corrupt Socrates.

Everything in this case - Goncalo Amaral's removal...Goncalo Amaral prevented from standing for election...maybe also obtaining the conviction of Amaral in 2009...maybe (we shall see) even the 'fixing' of this libel trial...and certainly the setting-up of the Operation Grange charade, all, all, all has been organised and run right from the very top, in both the U.K. and Portugal - right from the flying-out to Portugal on 4 May of dozens of assorted PR men, MI5 and CEOP bods, British police, counsellors and other hangers-on, to the appointment of Blair's top media manipulator Clarence Mitchell on Sunday 6 May to run the PR show.

It is all so pitifully obvious...

...IMO

Yes, Tony it is so pitifully obvious.

BUT, we still don't know what all this is about.

I can only go back to the Gaspar Statements, and Amaral's comment about Payne bathing the kids, and his wife's comment about not allowing a paedophile into theri family, and the fact that the McCann's concealed Madeleine's body, presumably because they couldn't risk an autopsy.

Sooooooo,.......who was in the Algarve that week that needed government protection?

Surely it must have been someone outside of the Tapas 9?

MP paedo....or a Royal paedo.? Maybe it was Gordon Brown himself?

IMO

Am I allowed to say all that?

by Joss 25.01.15 3:23

Is there any truth in what i read elsewhere that G. Brown & G. McC are related? Cousins or something? I can't remember where i read that, and what i purport is only speculation on my part. What is the connection at a political level to the McC's then, and why would the UK & Portugal go to such lengths for them? I don't think Madeleine is the only child to ever have gone missing in another country?, but to my knowledge no other missing child case has had this level of protection of the parents of a missing child.
I think if we knew exactly the answers to why this kind of political involvement in the McC case we would have some of the answers we can only speculate on for the last 7+ years.

by Joss 25.01.15 3:33

2008-07-01

Gonçalo Amaral speaks of pressures in the Maddie case

Former coordinator for the investigation of the Madeleine case said pressures existed around the process of the case for it never to be solved. Gonçalo Amaral says that the presence of the officer Clarence Mitchell is proof of that and argued that neither researchers nor directors should be afraid of working.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id139.html

So they don't want this case solved, then why on earth such a waste of taxpayer money and the illusion they are trying to solve the case?

by SixMillionQuid 25.01.15 7:13

Joss wrote:2008-07-01

Gonçalo Amaral speaks of pressures in the Maddie case

Former coordinator for the investigation of the Madeleine case said pressures existed around the process of the case for it never to be solved. Gonçalo Amaral says that the presence of the officer Clarence Mitchell is proof of that and argued that neither researchers nor directors should be afraid of working.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id139.html

So they don't want this case solved, then why on earth such a waste of taxpayer money and the illusion they are trying to solve the case?

It's not a waste of money to them because the money isn't coming out of their pockets. Tax payers money is unlimited so there's no problem with funding a pretendy investigation no matter however long it takes.

by Ashwarya 25.01.15 13:30

Now that Joana Morais has closed her blog, I can't access to PJGA website either. It is possible that Mr Amaral may need some more funding if he is to counter-sue the McCanns now, so does anyone know how to contribute to the defence fund now? Thanks for any help.

by Guest 25.01.15 13:44

Ashwarya wrote:Now that Joana Morais has closed her blog, I can't access to PJGA website either. It is possible that Mr Amaral may need some more funding if he is to counter-sue the McCanns now, so does anyone know how to contribute to the defence fund now? Thanks for any help.

Does sharonl's cold organisation support Amaral?

by **Tony Bennett** 25.01.15 13:56

Ladyinred wrote:
Ashwarya wrote:Now that Joana Morais has closed her blog, I can't access to PJGA website either. It is possible that Mr Amaral may need some more funding if he is to counter-sue the McCanns now, so does anyone know how to contribute to the defence fund now? Thanks for any help.
Does sharonl's C.O.L.D. organisation support Amaral?

AFAIK it hasn't done so far.

The Madeleine Foundation has donated a total of ov er £1,500 to Amaral's support fund - with three separate payments made in 2009 and 2010. These sums were paid out even though MF Committee members were entitled (and still are) to claim repayments of loans used to fund the publication of various booklets and leaflets

by Copodenieve 25.01.15 13:58

Joss wrote:Is GA saying Murat has been made an arguido again in this excerpt from the interview?

Gonçalo Amaral – Because of interferences that took place, without interferences we would have gone further. Have no doubts about that. That is why the process was archived. When the shelving took place, the couple and another person were arguidos. Any one of them could have requested the opening of the instruction and continued the process. None of them did it, the couple because they didn’t want to, they didn’t want to do it, and the other person because he received compensation from the British courts, so he didn’t do it, he was very satisfied, and now it seems that he is an arguido again. This is what happens –

I still don't understand this part. Amaral says "it seems that he is an arguido again". Why did he say this if RM is not an arguido? Could it be that he has some inside information and he suspects RM is going to be made arguido again? I find it hard to believe he would make a mistake of this kind, therefore tend to think he has said this for a reason.

by Joss 25.01.15 14:10

Copodenieve wrote:
Joss wrote:Is GA saying Murat has been made an arguido again in this excerpt from the interview?

Gonçalo Amaral – Because of interferences that took place, without interferences we would have gone further. Have no doubts about that. That is why the process was archived. When the shelving took place, the couple and another person were arguidos. Any one of them could have requested the opening of the instruction and continued the process. None of them did it, the couple because they didn’t want to, they didn’t want to do it, and the other person because he received compensation from the British courts, so he didn’t do it, he was very satisfied, and now it seems that he is an arguido again. This is what happens –
I still don't understand this part. Amaral says "it seems that he is an arguido again". Why did he say this if RM is not an arguido? Could it be that he has some inside information and he suspects RM is going to be made arguido again? I find it hard to believe he would make a mistake of this kind, therefore tend to think he has said this for a reason.

I'm not sure about exactly what GA is saying either? I think GA could be referring to the re questioning of certain witnesses not so long ago by the SY in which i believe Murat was among one of the people being questioned.
That has all gone very quiet and we haven't heard much more about since though.

by Doug D 25.01.15 15:18

Legally, I don’t think it has ever been established that the McC’s and RM ever did lose their arguido status.

When the case was archived, effectively they were released as their status followed suit, but with the case being re-opened their status probably reverted.

I think I have read somewhere that ‘once an arguido, always an arguido’ until such time as a case is resolved in the courtroom.

I stand to be corrected.

by Copodenieve 25.01.15 15:21

Joss wrote:
Copodenieve wrote:
Joss wrote:Is GA saying Murat has been made an arguido again in this excerpt from the interview?

Gonçalo Amaral – Because of interferences that took place, without interferences we would have gone further. Have no doubts about that. That is why the process was archived. When the shelving took place, the couple and another person were arguidos. Any one of them could have requested the opening of the instruction and continued the process. None of them did it, the couple because they didn’t want to, they didn’t want to do it, and the other person because he received compensation from the British courts, so he didn’t do it, he was very satisfied, and now it seems that he is an arguido again. This is what happens –
I still don't understand this part. Amaral says "it seems that he is an arguido again". Why did he say this if RM is not an arguido? Could it be that he has some inside information and he suspects RM is going to be made arguido again? I find it hard to believe he would make a mistake of this kind, therefore tend to think he has said this for a reason.
I'm not sure about exactly what GA is saying either? I think GA could be referring to the re questioning of certain witnesses not so long ago by the SY in which i believe Murat was among one of the people being questioned.
That has all gone very quiet and we haven't heard much more about since though.

Yes, I think you are right Joss. That makes more sense to me. Thank you.

by Joss 25.01.15 16:20

Doug D wrote:Legally, I don’t think it has ever been established that the McC’s and RM ever did lose their arguido status.

When the case was archived, effectively they were released as their status followed suit, but with the case being re-opened their status probably reverted.

I think I have read somewhere that ‘once an arguido, always an arguido’ until such time as a case is resolved in the courtroom.

I stand to be corrected.

I think that is the case in Portugal, but in the U.K. in the investigation there, which i believe i have read that OG is treating the case and investigation as if the abduction happened in the U.K. We have been told by Redwood that the McC's are not suspects in what happened to Madeleine, and are treating the case as a stranger abduction. So that runs contrary to what is perhaps their status in Portugal. I would of thought Portugal has jurisdiction over the case though? It is all quite confusing sometimes.

Goncalo Amaral's interview 23 Jan 2015 after the libel trial hearing - FULL TRANSCRIPT