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Post by Tony Bennett on 21.01.15 19:01

For convenience, all points that I can find today from the court heaaring, up to Point 36; time of posting: 7pm

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1. Gonçalo Amaral made the statements that are attributed to him under item Z)*?

*(item Z is the Correio da Manhã interview)

Proved.


 
2. The cover price of the book “Maddie, A Verdade da Mentira” in Portugal is €13.80, including VAT?

It is proved that the editor set the selling price at €13,33, including VAT.

3. Defendant Gonçalo Amaral has earned from the sale of the book “Maddie, A Verdade da Mentira” an amount that is not less than €621.000,00?

4. Defendant Gonçalo Amaral has earned from the sale of editions in foreign languages of the book an amount that is not less than €498.750,00?

(Items 3&4) It is proved that Gonçalo Amaral earned 342.111,86 euro from the sales of the book in the years 2008 and 2009. This information is based on data from the Portuguese Revenue Agency.


The book was sold in Brazil by defendant “Guerra e Paz, Editores, S.A.”?

Not proved.

5.  MISSING


6. The DVD has a cover price of €6,00?

Proved that it was sold for €6,95 euro with newspaper Correio da Manhã.

7. Defendant Gonçalo Amaral has earned from the sale of the DVD an amount that is not less than € 112.500,00?

Proved that he earned €40.000 from DVD sales in 2008. Based on info from the Revenue Service.


8. The DVD that is mentioned under AN) has been edited and the edited copies have been sold by defendant “V.C. – Valentim de Carvalho – Filmes, Audiovisuais, S.A.”?

Proved.

9. Defendant “V.C. – Valentim de Carvalho – Filmes, Audiovisuais, S.A.”? has already made the DVD, in an English version, available for immediate delivery via internet order?

Not proved.

10. At least two million and two hundred thousand people have watched the programme that was broadcast on 13.4.2009?

Proved.


11. Because of the statements made by defendant Gonçalo Amaral in the book, in the documentary and in the interview to Correio da Manhã, the Polícia Judiciária stopped collecting information and investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?

Not proved.


12. Because of the statements made by defendant Gonçalo Amaral in the book, in the documentary and in the interview to Correio da Manhã, authors Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are completely destroyed, from a moral, social, ethical, sentimental, family point of view, much beyond the pain that their daughter’s absence causes them?

Not proved.


13. Because of the statements made by defendant Gonçalo Amaral in the book, in the documentary and in the interview to Correio da Manhã, authors Kate McCann and Gerald McCann suffer permanent anguish, insomnia, lack of appetite, anxiety and irritability, preoccupation and indefinable fear?

Proved.

The judge adds that this psychological state is pre-existent to the book, the documentary and the interview and was not caused by the book. Nonetheless, it cannot be reasonable to believe that the book, the documentary and the interview had no effect on the couple, i.e. It had an effect but that is perfectly normal.


14. Authors Kate McCann and Gerald McCann feel a deep shame and an indescribable ill-being because they are considered, by most people who know the theories of defendant Gonçalo Amaral, as having responsibility in the death of their daughter, being so cowardly that they have hidden her cadaver, simulating abduction, all of this to avoid criminal accusations?

Proved that the couple felt badly about being considered responsible over the hiding of their daughter's body and simulating her abduction by those who believe in Mr Amaral's thesis.

The judge states that it is not possible to determine what most people who have read or seen Mr Amaral's thesis actually think.


She adds that the plaintiffs failed to prove shame, even with Kate stating it was not shame that she felt.

The judge once more believes it is expectable that the plaintiffs would feel badly about being considered to be responsible for hiding the body and staging an abduction - not, the judge stresses, about being responsible for their daughter's death, as is commonly, and mistakenly, believed.

15. Authors Kate McCann and Gerald McCann live under enormous daily pressure due to the need to keep their younger children away from the knowledge of defendant Gonçalo Amaral’s opinions about their moral integrity?

Proved that the couple feels the need to keep their younger children from finding out about said thesis.

This fact also derives from common experience and was corroborated by David Trickey's testimony.


16. Namely because of defendant Gonçalo Amaral’s statements in the book, in the documentary and in the interview to Correio da Manhã, author Kate McCann is immerged in a deep and serious depression, which has already made her state publicly “I wish I was in a coma, to relieve the pain”?

Not proved.


17. Sean and Amelie McCann will soon become aware of the conclusions that are mentioned in J), because they will go to school?

It is proved that Sean and Amelie started school in August of 2010 and have not learned about Mr Amaral's thesis yet.


18, 19, 20  MISSING

21. The criminal inquiry was reopened due to the appearance of new evidence?

Not proved.

22. The attention of the media and of people in general diminished when defendant Gonçalo Amaral’s book was published?

Not proved.

23. MISSING


24. The so-called “Maddie Case” has been profoundly treated within the Portuguese and foreign society, whether by the media, or through books, like those authored by Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, Manuel Catarino and Hernâni Carvalho?

Proved.


25. The so-called “Maddie Case” was commented upon by Dr. Francisco Moita Flores, former inspector, writer, criminalist and commentator, in various media?

Proved.


26. MISSING

27. Are the facts that are reported by defendant Gonçalo Amaral in the book and in the aforementioned interviews, like he himself writes and said, facts that were established during the inquiry?

28. Does the documentary only contain facts that are also in the inquiry files?

(Both articles) It is proved that the facts in the book and in the documentary, concerning the investigation, are mostly facts that took place in the investigation and are documented as such.

The judge does note that some of the facts in the book are not complete, and some facts that are in the book are not in the case files, including Jane Tanner's "informal" recognition of Robert Murat.


29, 20, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35  MISSING

36. The documentary was reproduced, and even subtitled in the English language, by third parties that published it on the internet, without permission and against the will of the defendant “V.C. – Valentim de Carvalho – Filmes, Audiovisuais, S.A.”?

Proved.

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Breech of Undertaking

Post by Widows Son on 21.01.15 20:41

Looks to me like Tony is in breech of his undertaking, which does prevent him from (a) quoting others and (b) stating the bleeding obvious.

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Re: Libel Hearing 21 Jan 2015 - POINTS 1 TO 36 placed here all in one post

Post by ultimaThule on 21.01.15 21:31

That seems an unnecessarily peevish comment, Widows Son.   Are you suffering from Bad Losers Syndrome, a highly contagious disease which is known to raise blood pressure and cause the afflicted to cough up all sorts of nasties?

If it's the Portuguese strain you've contracted, there's no known cure and you're best advised to try to be a patient patient until the symptoms subside..  A glass of NZ wine at bedtime may serve to ease your fevered brow through the night, but if you've got it really bad you may need to consume the whole bottle before retiring. yes

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Re: Libel Hearing 21 Jan 2015 - POINTS 1 TO 36 placed here all in one post

Post by plebgate on 21.01.15 22:14

@ultimaThule wrote:That seems an unnecessarily peevish comment, Widows Son.   Are you suffering from Bad Losers Syndrome, a highly contagious disease which is known to raise blood pressure and cause the afflicted to cough up all sorts of nasties?

If it's the Portuguese strain you've contracted, there's no known cure and you're best advised to try to be a patient patient until the symptoms subside..  A glass of NZ wine at bedtime may serve to ease your fevered brow through the night, but if you've got it really bad you may need to consume the whole bottle before retiring. yes
big grin   @ UT.

Keep away from the wine WS as I detect a bad case of sour grapes. big grin

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Sour Grapes

Post by Widows Son on 22.01.15 12:24

I'm suffering from "don't want the McCanns to bury the truth (as exposed by the Lisbon Court) with another abuse of the Undertakings system" syndrome. You can sure our 'national treasure' the BBC will not be nearly so keen to disregard another bullying abuse of litigation by Kate and Gerry McCann against Tony Bennett in the English courts.

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Re: Libel Hearing 21 Jan 2015 - POINTS 1 TO 36 placed here all in one post

Post by plebgate on 22.01.15 18:37

aw WS your concern for Tony is very touching, but I  should think he knows what he's doing.

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Re: Libel Hearing 21 Jan 2015 - POINTS 1 TO 36 placed here all in one post

Post by Widows Son on 22.01.15 21:48

I'm hope you're right, but he didn't the first time.

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Re: Libel Hearing 21 Jan 2015 - POINTS 1 TO 36 placed here all in one post

Post by aquila on 23.01.15 9:28

Yesterday was never going to be a 'revelation day'. It was part of a judicial process in a civil case held in Portugal whose laws are a bit of a mystery. Having said that, civil law in UK is not much clearer either.

What came out of yesterday was the UK Press just spouting 'victory' for the McCanns (when I say UK Press, that would be those who chose to deposit something in their rags from a press release as it seems the Press were not able to gain entry to the court and it's not clear if they even turned up).

None of it matters. Whilst there can be wittering and speculation of what is the likely outcome, none of it matters. It's all speculation at this point.

The show isn't over until the fat lady sings. It's not even clear when the final verdict will be given and even then it might be open to appeal.

I'm very grateful to all those who attended the court and reported findings. I'm grateful for everyone's opinions. I'm unable to form an opinion because it would be based on so many 'unknowns'.

Hope this makes sense.

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Re: Libel Hearing 21 Jan 2015 - POINTS 1 TO 36 placed here all in one post

Post by plebgate on 23.01.15 11:32

It has been reported that Rocky is pleased, that's a good thing to hear.

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Post by aquila on 23.01.15 11:35

@plebgate wrote:It has been reported that Rocky is pleased, that's a good thing to hear.
@plebgate...it's also reported very often that the McCanns are pleased by this, that or the other.

It's a comment. That's all it is.

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Re: Libel Hearing 21 Jan 2015 - POINTS 1 TO 36 placed here all in one post

Post by jeanmonroe on 23.01.15 11:36

24. The so-called “Maddie Case” has been profoundly treated within the Portuguese and foreign society, whether by the media, or through books, like those authored by Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, Manuel Catarino and Hernâni Carvalho?

Proved.

25. The so-called “Maddie Case” was commented upon by Dr. Francisco Moita Flores, former inspector, writer, criminalist and commentator, in various media?

Proved.
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Also 'commented' on by Portuguese AG, at the time, and PJ 'conclusions' in the 'files', i believe.

The McCann's did NOT 'sue' ANY of the above, did they?

Even though Manuel Catarino's 'book' PRE-CEDED GA's 'book' by 7-8 MONTHS! (December 2007)

The Judge quite rightly, 'pointed' out these 'publications' to Mr McCann, on 'statement' day, and he acknowledged he knew, KNEW, about these, but he had not 'sued' the 'authors'.

The 'implication' from the Judge was 'why did they (the McCann's) not sue Manuel Catarino, too'?

7-8 months BEFORE GA's 'book' was published.

I don't believe Mr McCann 'answered'

One has to 'remember' that the 'damages' case, brought against GA, was 'for damages he did for Madeleine', NOT the McCann parents'




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Re: Libel Hearing 21 Jan 2015 - POINTS 1 TO 36 placed here all in one post

Post by plebgate on 23.01.15 11:40

@aquila yes it's a comment but one apparently given to a newspaper by Rocky.  Good enough for me for now.

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Re: Libel Hearing 21 Jan 2015 - POINTS 1 TO 36 placed here all in one post

Post by jeanmonroe on 23.01.15 13:02

@jeanmonroe wrote:

So, there you have it, in all it's 'glory'!

Straight from the horse's mouth!

KATE MCCANN.

"The REASON why we're taking ACTION against Goncalo Amaral is the damage that he's done for Madeleine, THAT'S OUR MAIN FOCUS"!

NOT, at first, A SINGLE 'REASON' ABOUT THEMSELVES, BEING PERSONALLY 'DAMAGED'

BUT 'added' (as an 'afterthought', imo)

The writ says of Dr Kate McCann that she is ‘deeply and seriously depressed”. The writ goes on to describe both of the McCanns as suffering from:

■permanent anxiety
■insomnia
■lack of appetite
■irritability
■indefinable fear
In the writ, according to the Sunday People, the McCanns further describe both of themselves as:

■“totally destroyed”
■“irreparably damaged”, and
■“totally destroyed from a moral, social, ethical, emotional and family point of view”

THE LIBEL CASE WAS ALL ONLY (at first winkwink ) 'FOR MADELEINE' says KM.

The REASON 'WHY' they took 'action' against GA was 'for damage' he supposedly did 'for Madeleine'

NOT THEM!

I wonder what the Judge will MAKE of THAT!

eta: watch GM's er, um 'cough', like we've all seen in other 'interviews', when KM's mouth starts 'running away' laughat

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Re: Libel Hearing 21 Jan 2015 - POINTS 1 TO 36 placed here all in one post

Post by sallypelt on 23.01.15 13:12

I don't know if this has been posted, so I'll post it anyway:

Google translation:





The power struggle between the parents of Madeleine McCann and the former inspector of the Judicial Police Gonçalo Amaral , author of the book " Maddie : The Truth of the Lie " , not yet come to an end but this Wednesday the Civil Court of Lisbon has to some clues as may be the outcome of the proceedings.



 



The McCanns filed a civil lawsuit against former inspector for defamation and damages caused by the publication of the book and want to be compensated at EUR 1.2 million. Only in the court order , that the Express had access, the judge stated that " proof that the authors Kate and Gerry McCann are destroyed points of moral , social and ethical was not done." He adds that " the family point of view the evidence revealed a successful effort of cohesion and mutual aid . From the point of view.



 



sentimental / emotional is not credible that the consequences of the facts of these proceedings will to the point of destruction or well beyond the pain caused by the disappearance of their daughter.



 



So it was not the book of Gonçalo Amaral , based on the parents' guilt of the thesis in relation to the disappearance of British girl to May 3, 2007 , in the Algarve , which psychologically destroyed the McCanns . " This negative emotional state is pre-existent to the book ," says the magistrate,



 



The judge points out , however, that as a result of Gonçalo Amaral 's claims in the book, the McCanns " felt anger , despair, anxiety , worry, and suffered insomnia and lack of appetite . " And also says that it is proved that the couple feels " malaise " to be considered ( " the people who believe in Gonçalo Amaral defendant's thesis on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann " ) responsible for the concealment of his daughter's corpse and simulation of his abduction



 



 



This court order indicates the answer to the questions (ie , the facts found and not tested before sentencing ) in civil proceedings against the couple Gonçalo Amaral . Still follow an instruction suspension period and Law claim. Only then will be pronounced the sentence , which should not happen before the end of March or early April.



 

http://expresso.sapo.pt/livro-de-goncalo-amaral-nao-destruiu-os-mccann=f907535

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Post by roy rovers on 23.01.15 14:18

Talk about the wheels of justice turning slowly.

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Post by ultimaThule on 23.01.15 15:07

While the wheels of justice continue to turn slowly, roy, the wheels on the McCanns' bus have fallen off.

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Post by aquila on 23.01.15 23:14

@ultimaThule wrote:While the wheels of justice continue to turn slowly, roy, the wheels on the McCanns' bus have fallen off.
uT...your 'wheels on the bus have fallen off' reminded me of this.....

This might just be a Team McCann anthem....and anyway I'm in need of a bit of a laugh at the moment....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsXoMS9-xxg

I tried to copy the youtube thingy and failed so the link will have to do.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 24.01.15 8:58

@PeterMac wrote:

But what is the message of this song?

I get the analogy:

The singer represents the McCanns.

The wagon represents the McCann Team.

One wheel comes off the wagon - Eddie.

Cherokees = British press - after them.

'But we're still rolling along' - McCann Team.

Second wheel comes off the wagon - Keela.

Cherokees = British press - gaining on them.

'But we're still rolling along' - McCann Team.

Third wheel comes off the wagon - DNA results.

Cherokees = British press - now very close.

'But we're still rolling along' - McCann Team.

Fourth wheel comes off the wagon - SUSPECTS!! - Cherokees = British press whoop with delight - in for the killing.

ENTER Big Chief 'He control press' Clarence.

Clarence sings McCann hymn tune 'But we're still rolling along'.

As if by magic, Cherokees = British press start singing the same song:

'But we're still rolling along'.


Later, Big Chief Clarence; he have pow-wow with media editors and Carter-Ruck.

He win big money pay for McCanns.

New wagon - new wheels - 'We're still rolling along'

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Post by Montclair on 24.01.15 9:39

Gonçalo Amaral’s interview on Agora Nós, RTP1, 23.01.2015



Anchor – Today, our guest is Gonçalo Amaral who was on the news again yesterday because of the lawsuit that the McCann couple filed against him. Good morning, Gonçalo.

Gonçalo Amaral – Good morning.

Anchor – I read in your book that you wrote this book to defend your honour. The first question that I have for you is: Were you in any way attacked by the McCanns before the publication of the book, or even during the investigation? Were you with them, did you question them?

Gonçalo Amaral – That is a very good question. There was indeed a series of attacks, not just directed at me but at the investigation. Those attacks came not only from the parents’ side, but also from their support staff and from journalists, English and even Portuguese. That honour was not only personal but also professional. The investigation was at stake, an investigation that was never defended here in Portugal, namely by someone at the top of the Polícia Judiciária – and it’s me who defends those initial months of the investigation, and that is what the book was published for. That is one of the issues that are raised by the Lisbon Appeals Court, at the time of the injunction, which supports me, and establishes that it was licit for me to write the book. 

Anchor – If you don’t mind, let’s return to the start of this story, the McCann case was the most media exposed ever, as far as the alleged abduction of a child, Madeleine McCann, is concerned. This book, “Maddie, A Verdade da Mentira”, that was written by you, why was it so controversial? What does it contain?

Gonçalo Amaral – What it contains is the conclusions of the process, of a report that exists, in September of 2007, which says that at that moment of the investigation, suspicion falls upon the [McCann] couple in terms of an accidental death inside the apartment, neglect in watching over their children that had been abandoned, and the concealment of a corpse. That is in the process and with this decision, which is not a final decision, it is merely a reply to the facts that were at stake during the trial, it agrees that this was in the process.

Anchor – The process is not concluded yet, it is still ongoing –

Gonçalo Amaral – It is still in the lower court, now there will be legal arguments, then there will be a verdict –

Anchor – We are at the stage of replies to the proved facts, is that it?

Gonçalo Amaral – Proved and not proved.

Anchor – Did you question them? Did you meet them?

Gonçalo Amaral – I met them but the questioning was performed by others, by inspectors. A coordinator does not question directly, that was done by the inspectors. But I met them.

Anchor – You accompanied this process from the beginning…

Gonçalo Amaral – I accompanied the process, the investigation from the 3rd of May of 2007 until I left the investigation on the 2nd of October of 2007. I accompanied it, participating in the investigation.

Anchor – And what happened yesterday? What was the accusation –

Gonçalo Amaral – There was no accusation yesterday. Not yesterday, the day before yesterday. What was done is – there is a decision from the magistrate, the judge, saying what is proved and what is not proved. That decision says that it is not proved that I caused the couple any damages, social or psychological or moral damages. So what was being questioned, it’s not the book that causes such damages; they were already destroyed before the book. That is important. It’s important because in this kind of process, what is at stake, contrary to what the couple said, that what was at stake was the investigation, whether they are guilty or not, none of that was being discussed there. What was at stake there was whether or not that book and that documentary could be made, if they were licit or not, if they caused the couple any damages, and whether or not it was possible to establish a causal nexus between the book and the damages. And the indications that are given lead me, and my lawyer, and people who have already read the document, to believe that there may be – there may be – a favourable verdict.

Anchor – There is a contradiction between the news that came out –

Gonçalo Amaral – There is no contradiction. There is complete manipulation of the media. 

Anchor – Can you clarify that?

Gonçalo Amaral - Lusa agency, since all of this began, has been taking sides – I wouldn’t say as much as they have taken the side of the couple, but they have taken the side of the couple’s lawyer. So there have been completely false news about me. I remember an article that was published in 2009 or 2010, which mentioned I was going to be tried over torture in a certain case, that I had been accused of torture. I was in Spain at that time and I called, it was already 7 or 8 p.m. and I said “Excuse me, but this is not true. I am being accused of omitting a denunciation and making a false statement, not of torture”. And the reply that I got from the Lusa journalist was that it’s them that make the news, that it was not for me to meddle with their work and that is how it’s been –

Anchor – Even though they were talking about your life.

Gonçalo Amaral – That’s another thing that happened throughout all of these years, not only the five years of this process, but since 2007 they have been rummaging… I don’t know what else there may be.

Anchor – The fact is that concerning the McCann couple, the McCann couple was never formally tried. They were never accused. So in your book we have a contradiction with the law.

Gonçalo Amaral – What is the contradiction? I don’t accuse them. I am nobody, I’m not a magistrate, I’m not the case magistrate to write up an accusation –

Anchor – But you had knowledge, you were part of the investigation –

Gonçalo Amaral – I was a technician, I’m a technician, and like anyone else, I have the right to an opinion. And as a technician, based not only on my professionalism, but also on my knowledge as a technician, I have the right to have a technical opinion. And that book contains a technical opinion, based on facts that are in the process and that the judge says are in the process. Essentially, as is said, they are in the process. Therefore, saying that they were not accused… The process was – when I left there was already a movement to have the case archived. From the moment that they are made arguidos, everything moves to shelve the case. Interest was lost; the interest was to archive the case. And they succeeded in shelving the case. It was in the couple’s interest to have the case archived, and two things happen: The couple does nothing, and they could have done something when there was a shelving, to continue into the instruction [phase] to keep the process going, for the truth to be found. You see, the conclusions that we reached were the conclusions of an investigation. And an investigation, like someone said, is always a zigzagging of the moment. And we might even have reached the end of the investigation –

Anchor – In this case, this investigation was very traumatising, very disorganised…

Gonçalo Amaral – Disorganised, in what way?

Anchor - Because nothing was concluded, so many years later the child’s whereabouts haven’t been found.

Gonçalo Amaral – Because of interferences that took place, without interferences we would have gone further. Have no doubts about that. That is why the process was archived. When the shelving took place, the couple and another person were arguidos. Any one of them could have requested the opening of the instruction and continued the process. None of them did it, the couple because they didn’t want to, they didn’t want to do it, and the other person because he received compensation from the British courts, so he didn’t do it, he was very satisfied, and now it seems that he is an arguido again. This is what happens – 

Anchor - We have to ask one last question. The truth is that the McCann couple – and this is a question and not a statement – demanded compensation worth 1.2 million euro from you because of the publication of the book “A Verdade da Mentira”. This book was very controversial because it was also a success. Many people read it –

Anchor – Many copies were sold.

Anchor – Exactly. Many people read it and created their own opinion. Do you think that in some way that opinion drew people away from the possibility of believing in that child’s parents?

Gonçalo Amaral – No, it didn’t, quite the opposite. The book, which was successful in a way that nobody expected – the contract with the editor was even made based on sales targets, 10 thousand books sold would mean a certain percentage and so on – therefore a very normal contract, nobody was thinking about bestsellers or anything like that. What the book brought was more publicity for the case. And people were not drawn away. There are many people who still defend the couple’s thesis. There are other people – those diverging opinions already existed before the book. They already existed practically before the book. What motivates the couple to file the lawsuit of 1.2 million euro may be the money. They have a firm, a firm where they are members of the board, called Madeleine Fund, which is to look for their daughter, but they are members of the board, it’s a firm, it’s not a social association, or social solidarity, it’s a firm, it’s registered in England as a firm. And what they always wanted was to destabilise me. When they went to Oprah’s programme in the United States, they said it, they wrote on their website that they hope that now nobody believes in that person anymore, for this and that –

Anchor – But Gonçalo, they had to defend themselves with the weapons at hand, if they think they are innocent…

Gonçalo Amaral – Indeed they do. I will give you one example. We speak about the book and we speak about the documentary. We forget another detail. In 2009, in January of 2009, I lived in the Algarve and was indicated to run for mayor of Olhão on behalf of the Social Democratic Party [PSD]. And that alerted that family, that situation of destabilising me, and Mr Gerald McCann came to Lisbon, there’s news from that time, he met with a top political official from PSD who has a French surname, with Dr Rogério Alves and with Dr Isabel Duarte – this is what is said, it’s what was published – and what happened then was that PSD gave me up as a candidate. This puts rights at stake, the rights of a citizen, the rights of a Portuguese citizen, and someone comes from the outside to do it. It’s the right to be elected. And this is when they start thinking about the lawsuit. It’s not about what is in the book, what is in the documentary, because what the book and the documentary contain is what is in the process. They contain technical opinions. And it’s the fear of that issue – when they come over here and put the right to be elected at stake, with the acquiescence of people inside PSD, that this happened.

Anchor – Thank you very much, Gonçalo. Our time is short but this is a subject that we would like to discuss in more depth. We will continue to follow this because the process is still in its early stages.

Gonçalo Amaral – There is no motive to get too excited, but it’s a good indication of what may be the decision. 

Anchor – Thank you for joining us today.



video: http://www.rtp.pt/play/p1629/e180119/agora-nos/405316 - interview starts at 22:43

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Post by aquila on 24.01.15 11:10

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:

But what is the message of this song?

I get the analogy:

The singer represents the McCanns.

The wagon represents the McCann Team.

One wheel comes off the wagon - Eddie.

Cherokees = British press - after them.

'But we're still rolling along' - McCann Team.

Second wheel comes off the wagon - Keela.

Cherokees = British press - gaining on them.

'But we're still rolling along' - McCann Team.

Third wheel comes off the wagon - DNA results.

Cherokees = British press - now very close.

'But we're still rolling along' - McCann Team.

Fourth wheel comes off the wagon - SUSPECTS!! - Cherokees = British press whoop with delight - in for the killing.

ENTER Big Chief 'He control press' Clarence.

Clarence sings McCann hymn tune 'But we're still rolling along'.

As if by magic, Cherokees = British press start singing the same song:

'But we're still rolling along'.


Later, Big Chief Clarence; he have pow-wow with media editors and Carter-Ruck.

He win big money pay for McCanns.

New wagon - new wheels - 'We're still rolling along'
Tony, you missed out the cave.....


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Post by Angelique on 24.01.15 18:16

Montclair

I have reproduced part of your post which I find interesting. I didn't realise that TM could do something like this or should I say have such influence over GA in this way. I didn't know about this and don't remember reading anything about it. Maybe there are lots of incidents which haven't been exposed.

"Gonçalo Amaral – Indeed they do. I will give you one example. We speak about the book and we speak about the documentary. We forget another detail. In 2009, in January of 2009, I lived in the Algarve and was indicated to run for mayor of Olhão on behalf of the Social Democratic Party [PSD]. And that alerted that family, that situation of destabilising me, and Mr Gerald McCann came to Lisbon, there’s news from that time, he met with a top political official from PSD who has a French surname, with Dr Rogério Alves and with Dr Isabel Duarte – this is what is said, it’s what was published – and what happened then was that PSD gave me up as a candidate. This puts rights at stake, the rights of a citizen, the rights of a Portuguese citizen, and someone comes from the outside to do it. It’s the right to be elected. And this is when they start thinking about the lawsuit. It’s not about what is in the book, what is in the documentary, because what the book and the documentary contain is what is in the process. They contain technical opinions. And it’s the fear of that issue – when they come over here and put the right to be elected at stake, with the acquiescence of people inside PSD, that this happened."



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Post by Hobs on 25.01.15 0:06

@PeterMac wrote:
I wrote this version back in june 2013

THREE WHEELS ON MY WAGON
(Burt Bacharach / Bob Hilliard)

The New Christy Minstrels

mangled by Hobnob


Three wheels on our wagon,
And we're still rolling along
The cops are chasing us
Accusations fly, right on by
But we're singing a happy song

We're a singing gimme, gimmus, money and fame
Mccanns, we never say die
Was an abductor what came
And we can watch those cops
Stand impotently by

SPOKEN: “gerry, they’re catching on to us!”
“Get back in the wagon kate!”

Two wheels on our wagon,
And we're still rolling along
Them cops are after us
The honest truth, burns our ears
But we keep spinning our song

We're a singing gimme, gimmus, money and fame
Mccanns, they never say die
A mile up the road there’s a lawyers office
And the cops can watch us
Scarper via the sky


SPOKEN: “Duh,kate? Are you sure this is the right story?”
“Will you hush up? You and your scripts!”

One wheel on our wagon,
And we're still rolling along
Them Cops are still after us
We're still hiding, clarrie at the reins
But we're singing a happy song

We're a singing gimme, gimmus, money and fame
Mccanns, we always lie
A mile up the road there’s a newspaper office
We can sue and get rich whilst the media
Go carefully by

SPOKEN: “gerry? Should I get the bag of wristbands and t-shirts?”
“Woman, I know what I’m doing!”

No wheels on our wagon,
So we're not rolling along
The Cops captured us
They look mad, things look bad
So I’m spilling the beans

SPOKEN: “C’mon all you Coppers sing along with me!”

We're a singing gimme, gimmus, bail and mercy
mccanns, we got found guilty
A mile up the road there’s a nice prison cell
Where the cops can watch us
As the years go crawling by

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