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Post by NickE 15.08.14 15:23

Cherry Blossom wrote:By: John TwomeyPublished: Fri, August 15, 2014

BRITAIN’S top policeman vowed to keep going in the hunt to discover what happened to Madeleine McCann after Scotland Yard’s major operations this summer.

The little girl was three when she vanished from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007.

In June and July, suspects were questioned and huge areas in the Algarve were searched by specialist police squads and dogs – with Yard detectives in attendance.

Operation Grange was launched in May 2011 after Madeleine’s parents Gerry, 45, and Kate, 46, of Rothley, Leics, appealed to David Cameron.

Around 40 detectives and civilian staff are dedicated to the inquiry, which has so far cost an estimated £6million.

Yesterday, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said: “The investigation is still ongoing and we will not be reducing the team.”

He praised Portuguese authorities for allowing Yard detectives to take part in the summer search.

“A reasonable amount of progress has been made,” he added.

However, no trace of Madeleine has been found and police have no idea what happened to her.

Sir Bernard believes the ideal way to tackle the case is with a joint squad of British and Portuguese police.

That would speed up many aspects of the inquiry, but authorities in Lisbon are against the move.

Suspicion has focused on drug addict Euclides Monteiro.

Monteiro, who served a jail term for burglary, died in a tractor accident, aged 40, in 2009.

His widow says he had nothing to do with the disappearance.

Following this year’s searches, Gerry and Kate McCann said they were encouraged by the lack of evidence to suggest Madeleine was murdered.

They are convinced their daughter could still be alive and will one day be returned to them.

Scotland Yard is offering £20,000 as a reward for information.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/499453/Met-chief-let-up-search-Madeleine

Unbelievable, seem's to me he is saying regardless of any public opinion the search will go on, that they have nobody to answer to but the McCanns. Are they planting the seed of Tractorman again?

God only knows what the parents of all the other missing children must be feeling when they read again another McCann story.
Euclides Monteiro has an alibi for the time when Maddie disappeared, his DNA was tested back in 2008 and no matches were found, he does not have a record of child sex abuse
In Algarve there are no official police records of a "man who allegedly targeted only British children" and who broke into Britons houses to specifically sexually abuse their white, blue-eyed and blonde little English girls as described by DCI Andy Redwood in his latest media performances, nor have any of the locals or the British expat community have any recollection of such events taking place in the past 10 years.
Euclides Monteiro's widow has lost her job in the consequence of the exposure of her name in the UK media (Mirror, Daily Mail, Daily Star, etc). Euclides Monteiro's alibi is a poem that he wrote at 21h00 of 3rd of May 2007, that his wife found in the computer, a series of poems that were now published posthumously.

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Post by Justformaddie 15.08.14 15:27

Naz_Nomad wrote: Then start doing some proper police work, instead of chasing imaginary burglars and smelly bin men.  You know what to do.  You know where to look.  You know who to ask.   If you mean what you say,  DO IT!
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Post by jeanmonroe 15.08.14 15:31

Around 40 detectives and civilian staff are dedicated to the inquiry, which has so far cost an estimated £6million.

Yesterday, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said: “The investigation is still ongoing and we will not be reducing the team.”

However, no trace of Madeleine has been found and police have no idea what happened to her.
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So STRAIGHT from the horses mouth!

Around 40 detectives/staff costing estimated £6million

Actually it's 38 solely dedicated police/staff, over THREE YEARS dedicated investigation, at a cost nearer £9.5 million.

And the 'big cheese' at the Metropolitan Police, the UK's most 'elite' force, NOW says:

"THE SOLELY DEDICATED 38 STRONG ELITE POLICE 'TEAM' HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED TO HER!"

So, OVER THREE YEARS, 38 DEDICATED MADDIE 'COPS' and £9.5 MILLON and.........................NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED!

Good job it wasn't a 'hard, complex, case' they had been tasked to 'investigate'!

If i were cyinical, which i'm not, i'd suspect there was some 'bad news that the MET needed burying'. After all it is a Friday.

Traditionally the day to 'bury' bad news.

The 'plebs' will all have 'forgotten' by Monday!

Does anyone know if say, two under cover MET cops, that BHH dosen't/didn't know 'exist'  winkwink were exposed or named today, in the media?

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Post by Doug D 15.08.14 15:51

Out of interest, this 'statement' does not appear on the Met Police's Press Release site.
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Post by TheTruthWillOut 15.08.14 16:04

This case is so damn frustrating.

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The line "However, no trace of Madeleine has been found and police have no idea what happened to her", should be taken with a huge bucket of salt. It wasn't said by BHH or anyone else from the Met IMO.


Once you edit out the fluff and opinion, you are left with:

“The investigation is still ongoing and we will not be reducing the team.”

He praised Portuguese authorities for allowing Yard detectives to take part in the summer search.

“A reasonable amount of progress has been made,” he added.


The Express were fishing!
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Post by Guest 15.08.14 16:07

"NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED".

Unbelievable.

Where are the proper journalists?
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Post by tiny 15.08.14 17:58

You can see why people think this is going to be a whitewash,bluddy disgusting that after all this time they still INSIST they do not know what happened to
Madeleine.-------LOOK AT WHAT THE DOGS FOUND.-----
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Post by TheTruthWillOut 15.08.14 18:12

tiny wrote:You can see why people think this is going to be a whitewash,bluddy disgusting that after all this time they still INSIST they do not know what happened to
Madeleine.-------LOOK AT WHAT THE DOGS FOUND.-----

Like I said above, BHH didn't say they don't know what happened...the Express did! The Express were fishing and BHH didn't bite.
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Post by Brian Griffin 15.08.14 18:25

Who is going to pony up the £20,000 reward for info, should the need arise? Am I to assume it's the British taxpayer again?

I don't suppose it matters when so much more has already been spent on this apparent non-starter of an investigation.

All in my opinion. Allegedly. Etc.
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Post by SixMillionQuid 15.08.14 18:44

TheTruthWillOut wrote:
tiny wrote:You can see why people think this is going to be a whitewash,bluddy disgusting that after all this time they still INSIST they do not know what happened to
Madeleine.-------LOOK AT WHAT THE DOGS FOUND.-----

Like I said above, BHH didn't say they don't know what happened...the Express did! The Express were fishing and BHH didn't bite.
Then why is Scotland Yard offering £20,000 for further information? If as result of this 3 year review / investigation members of the public have fingered you know who and they're still appealing for info what more is there for the public to do.

They're just stalling for time until September.

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Post by TheTruthWillOut 15.08.14 19:19

SixMillionQuid wrote:Then why is Scotland Yard offering £20,000 for further information? If as result of this 3 year review / investigation members of the public have fingered you know who and they're still appealing for info what more is there for the public to do.

They're just stalling for time until September.

The £20,000 reward has been offered since at least October last year hasn't it? The Met/OG, rightly or wrongly, asked the press earlier this year to politely STFU, not to expect updates and let them and the PJ get on investigating.

This article to me is the Express getting desperate for information on the case. All they got were two (short) sentences.
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Post by aiyoyo 15.08.14 19:25

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

This article to me is the Express getting desperate for information on the case. All they got were two (short) sentences.

Yeap, seems that way.
Progress has been made.
We are not downsizing operation.
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Post by Justformaddie 15.08.14 19:49

For any policeman not to do their job properly and not to get justice for a little girl whose selfish parents decided to put themselves before the most important defenceless little children, is disgusting. These so called parents have already got away with neglect, I don't know what way this will end up or if they've been reinterviewed by OG, but put it this way, if it was you or I and cadaver and blood dogs alerted within our homes and car I seriously doubt we'd be touring the world? Sorry everyone, I'm just so fed up. The least OG can do is explain why they aren't POIs, but they can't, can they?
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Post by Guest 15.08.14 19:56

Justformaddie wrote:For any policeman not to do their job properly and not to get justice for a little girl whose selfish parents decided to put themselves before the most important defenceless little children, is disgusting. These so called parents have already got away with neglect, I don't know what way this will end up or if they've been reinterviewed by OG, but put it this way, if it was you or I and cadaver and blood dogs alerted within our homes and car I seriously doubt we'd be touring the world? Sorry everyone, I'm just so fed up. The least OG can do is explain why they aren't POIs, but they can't, can they?
IMO! sorry again everyone!

No need to apologise, Jfm.  I'm sure most of us here feel the same as you  empathy
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Post by Justformaddie 15.08.14 20:01

Ladyinred wrote:
Justformaddie wrote:For any policeman not to do their job properly and not to get justice for a little girl whose selfish parents decided to put themselves before the most important defenceless little children, is disgusting. These so called parents have already got away with neglect, I don't know what way this will end up or if they've been reinterviewed by OG, but put it this way, if it was you or I and cadaver and blood dogs alerted within our homes and car I seriously doubt we'd be touring the world? Sorry everyone, I'm just so fed up. The least OG can do is explain why they aren't POIs, but they can't, can they?
IMO! sorry again everyone!

No need to apologise, Jfm.  I'm sure most of us here feel the same as you  empathy
Thank you LIR, having a hard time understanding why officers can't or won't see what most do.  roses

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Post by Guest 15.08.14 20:35

Not allowed to, imo, JfM. They have a remit and their job is to stick with it. Each officer will be given a small area to analyse. Each person will have just one piece of the jigsaw to determine it's shape and position in the puzzle. My guess is most pieces won't even belong to the puzzle with the picture we see. The people rattling the box with the 'abductor' on the front are the ones who shouldn't sleep at night.

Those sort of people sleep very soundly indeed, however. It's the nature of that particular beast.

All just in my opinion, as ever.
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Post by Justformaddie 15.08.14 20:46

Dee Coy wrote:Not allowed to, imo, JfM. They have a remit and their job is to stick with it. Each officer will be given a small area to analyse. Each person will have just one piece of the jigsaw to determine it's shape and position in the puzzle. My guess is most pieces won't even belong to the puzzle with the picture we see. The people rattling the box with the 'abductor' on the front are the ones who shouldn't sleep at night.

Those sort of people sleep very soundly indeed, however. It's the nature of that particular beast.

All just in my opinion, as ever.
So sad for the innocent little one  Sad

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Post by Newintown 15.08.14 23:55

Justformaddie wrote:For any policeman not to do their job properly and not to get justice for a little girl whose selfish parents decided to put themselves before the most important defenceless little children, is disgusting. These so called parents have already got away with neglect, I don't know what way this will end up or if they've been reinterviewed by OG, but put it this way, if it was you or I and cadaver and blood dogs alerted within our homes and car I seriously doubt we'd be touring the world? Sorry everyone, I'm just so fed up. The least OG can do is explain why they aren't POIs, but they can't, can they?
IMO! sorry again everyone!

Justformaddie

If there was no neglect and the McCanns and Tapas group have made up this story to cover their a*ses, then the police would not want to charge them on the lesser charge of neglect but go for something more substantial when they have proof of what actually happened.

With regard to OG explaining why the McCanns aren't POIs, I very much doubt that the Met are obliged to tell joe public including us on this forum during an ongoing investigation as to the status of anyone they have in their sights, other than to say that they are not POIs.  To say anything else would cause havoc.

It is very frustrating not knowing what is actually going on behind the scenes but I can't recall any running commentaries being given day to day on any criminal investigations over the past years, except for the Jimmy Savile, Rolf Harris etc cases being leaked to the press.

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Post by Justformaddie 16.08.14 0:16

Newintown wrote:
Justformaddie wrote:For any policeman not to do their job properly and not to get justice for a little girl whose selfish parents decided to put themselves before the most important defenceless little children, is disgusting. These so called parents have already got away with neglect, I don't know what way this will end up or if they've been reinterviewed by OG, but put it this way, if it was you or I and cadaver and blood dogs alerted within our homes and car I seriously doubt we'd be touring the world? Sorry everyone, I'm just so fed up. The least OG can do is explain why they aren't POIs, but they can't, can they?
IMO! sorry again everyone!

Justformaddie

If there was no neglect and the McCanns and Tapas group have made up this story to cover their a*ses, then the police would not want to charge them on the lesser charge of neglect but go for something more substantial when they have proof of what actually happened.

With regard to OG explaining why the McCanns aren't POIs, I very much doubt that the Met are obliged to tell joe public including us on this forum during an ongoing investigation as to the status of anyone they have in their sights, other than to say that they are not POIs.  To say anything else would cause havoc.

It is very frustrating not knowing what is actually going on behind the scenes but I can't recall any running commentaries being given day to day on any criminal investigations over the past years, except for the Jimmy Savile, Rolf Harris etc cases being leaked to the press.
Hi Newintown, I understand the neglect thing, just hoping they do get proof of what did happen that night, if nothing can be proved, I wonder would they go for neglect at this stage? Hard to read at this point in time they're  still no closer to finding out what did happen, although we wouldn't know what progress they've made. Anyways, still hoping they find the truth for maddie, poor wee girl. 
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Post by Brian Griffin 16.08.14 1:30

Newintown wrote:
If there was no neglect and the McCanns and Tapas group have made up this story to cover their a*ses, then the police would not want to charge them on the lesser charge of neglect but go for something more substantial when they have proof of what actually happened.
And look like bloody idiots in the public eye for years on end while anyone with an Internet connection and a brain debates the thing on sites like this? I doubt it! Look at that woman in Australia whose baby was taken by a dingo. The police went for her straight away, even though it turned out to be true! Look at other cases in the UK - the police go for the parents and family, yet in this case, the parents seem untouchable. No, something else is going on here. On the evidence we are all blatantly aware of (the differing and changing stories; the experts' hunches that the abduction scene was a fabrication; the signaling by the dogs - yes, Gerry, those damned clever, inconvenient and amazingly unreliable mutts who have never made a mistake; the infamous 48 questions and the e-fits hidden for 5 years for no apparent reason) the couple McCann should be hauled in for rigorous questioning. Yet...nothing. All in my opinion, of course. Allegedly, and all that.
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Post by Okeydokey 16.08.14 2:43

It just makes me feel sad for those well meaning people who think the Met are undertaking a serious police investigation.
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Post by The Rooster 16.08.14 10:34

The Express and Hogan Howe what an oxymoron.  A noticeable absence. But what more could we really expect.

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Post by Woofer 16.08.14 11:00

Dee Coy wrote:Not allowed to, imo, JfM. They have a remit and their job is to stick with it. Each officer will be given a small area to analyse. Each person will have just one piece of the jigsaw to determine it's shape and position in the puzzle. My guess is most pieces won't even belong to the puzzle with the picture we see. The people rattling the box with the 'abductor' on the front are the ones who shouldn't sleep at night.

Those sort of people sleep very soundly indeed, however. It's the nature of that particular beast.

All just in my opinion, as ever.

Not knowing anything about police investigations, I wonder if this is actually the case (my bold above).
Because that`s almost saying they`re not allowed to question, which surely is what detecting is all about.
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Post by SixMillionQuid 16.08.14 12:07

Woofer wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:Not allowed to, imo, JfM. They have a remit and their job is to stick with it. Each officer will be given a small area to analyse. Each person will have just one piece of the jigsaw to determine it's shape and position in the puzzle. My guess is most pieces won't even belong to the puzzle with the picture we see. The people rattling the box with the 'abductor' on the front are the ones who shouldn't sleep at night.

Those sort of people sleep very soundly indeed, however. It's the nature of that particular beast.

All just in my opinion, as ever.

Not knowing anything about police investigations, I wonder if this is actually the case (my bold above).
Because that`s almost saying they`re not allowed to question, which surely is what detecting is all about.
They can question but if they go their boss about their findings will the boss be sympathetic? They could get stabbed in the back. If they go to the press, they could get stabbed in the back. If they go on Twitter about their findings watch that Twitter account disappear faster than the speed of light, then stabbed in the back and sued for compensation. Not saying its impossible but there could be risk where you could end up like Snr Amaral.

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Post by Brian Griffin 16.08.14 15:08

Quoted from above: "Not saying its impossible but there could be risk where you could end up like Snr Amaral."

My thoughts exactly. I'd say it is a very real risk, and certainly a deterrent for any cop considering going beyond his or her brief. Much better simply to do what you are told, look in only the direction you are told, collect your paycheque and stay safe, especially in this economy! And I don't blame anyone for doing so, given the situation. Allegedly. In my opinion. Etc.
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