Re: LAST DAY OF LIBEL TRIAL 8th July 2014 DISCUSSION AND NEWS

by Brian Griffin 08.07.14 19:08

Iamtheseeker wrote:Surely they can start doing what they are very good at , stopping motorists

...and blaming foxes and badgers for burglaries etc.

by Bishop Brennan 08.07.14 19:17

PeterMac wrote:Sky news an hour or so ago.
Bruntie doing all the stuff from Lisbon.

Then healdlines, read by Kay B
!st headline - probably war or something
Second healine - Kuma case, where the mother is acused of killing . . . and then cried abduction . .

Cut back to Kay B, who despite her professionalism was looking absolutely stunned at what she had been required to read out.

I bet they will change the order of things by the next time.

Interestingly the BBC app on iPad and iPhone have a similar juxtaposition of stories.... I think they KNOW....! big grin

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by jeanmonroe 08.07.14 19:19

Ollie wrote:I hope the judge when considering KM's victim statement is aware and bears in mind that the McCann pair lied under oath at the Leveson inquiry - what arguido means - so whatever KM said in her statement should be taken with a copious amount of salt.

What she said about Sean asking her this and that, and what he is supposed to have 'heard' on the school bus is, i'm afraid, already filed in the box, marked HEARSAY!

A bit like:

ID – Do you have something more to say about the effect of the book and the documentary?
TC speaks of the internet, the fact that the files are public and very easy to access even by children.
ID – What relationship do you have with the children (the twins)?
TC says they get along very well with them, they have a very close relationship.
ID – When did the twins go to school for the first time?
TC – It was in August when they were 5 years old.
ID – Do they read and write easily?
TC answers "yes".
ID – Do they know of the book and its conclusions?
TC: SAYS THAT SOME PUPILS MENTIONED IT AT SCHOOL. Last week Amelie told that somebody had spoken about it at school. -----------------------------------------------> 'HEARSAY'
ID – HAVE YOU HEARD HER SAY THIS?
TC says "NO".
ID – What about Sean?
TC says she doesn’t know.
ID – What did Amelie say?
TC – People were speaking about her.
ID – Was she more specific?
TC – No, and Kate tried to minimize this. She says that in the past Sean asked his father, "Are you famous?", because a friend told him he had seen his father on TV. Gerry said he wasn't famous, that all this was because of Madeleine.
ID – Do the children have access to the internet at school?
TC says "yes", but she thinks it is monitored and controlled.
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Well, TC being 'truthful' there,

ID – Do the children have access to the internet at school?
TC says "yes", but she thinks it is monitored and controlled.

INTERNET, CONTROLLED AND MONITORED!

I BET IT IS!

NO 'surprise' there! winkwink

by worriedmum 08.07.14 19:28

suzyjohnson wrote:
canada12 wrote:I don't actually think the fact (if it is a fact) that Sean mentioned something from GA's book to his mother counts as extreme distress, disharmony or whatever else the McCanns are suing for. If Sean had then gone on to have serious emotional issues, or had failing grades in school, or something like that, then perhaps Kate might have a slim case in suggesting GA's book has led to problems for her kids. As it stands, I do believe if she's going to make statements about her children, she'd really need to back those up by allowing the kids to testify about their emotional states. Otherwise it's just hearsay, and very weak hearsay (IMO). So really it can only be about Kate and Gerry's emotional states as a result of GA's book, and so far I haven't read or seen anything that convinces me they're suffering. I'm hoping the judge is perceptive enough to come to the same conclusion.

In any case Sean's question seems to have been resolved by his mother's answer that Amaral has said a lot of silly things. From that response it doesn't sound as though Sean was traumatised does it?

Great point,suzyjohnson!

Maybe he 'moved on'..

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by plebgate 08.07.14 19:31

Miraflores wrote: From the BBC report:

'Mrs McCann said she was aware the couple did not have a high level of support in the country, telling the court she found that "distressing and upsetting because we need the Portuguese people to help us to find Madeleine".'

You trash the reputation of the people trying to find out what happened to your daughter, 'tweedeldum, tweedledee', f***ing t***ers, admit to not searching yourself at the time leaving it to others to take time off work to do so, but then four years later write a book saying how you 'resumed' your search and no one else was searching, you make apartment 5A unsaleable and you do your best to destroy the tourist industry of the town. Then you wonder why you don't have support. Which planet do you live on?

By contrast think of Ben Needham's mother frequently going out to Greece to try to find out what happened to Ben, or Keith Bennett's mother repeatedly going to Saddleworth Moor to try to locate her son's body.

If they need the Portugese people to help find Madeleine then why wasn't the Crimewatch Prog. shown there?

by jeanmonroe 08.07.14 19:40

plebgate wrote:
Miraflores wrote: From the BBC report:

'Mrs McCann said she was aware the couple did not have a high level of support in the country, telling the court she found that "distressing and upsetting because we need the Portuguese people to help us to find Madeleine".'

You trash the reputation of the people trying to find out what happened to your daughter, 'tweedeldum, tweedledee', f***ing t***ers, admit to not searching yourself at the time leaving it to others to take time off work to do so, but then four years later write a book saying how you 'resumed' your search and no one else was searching, you make apartment 5A unsaleable and you do your best to destroy the tourist industry of the town. Then you wonder why you don't have support. Which planet do you live on?

By contrast think of Ben Needham's mother frequently going out to Greece to try to find out what happened to Ben, or Keith Bennett's mother repeatedly going to Saddleworth Moor to try to locate her son's body.
If they need the Portugese people to help find Madeleine then why wasn't the Crimewatch Prog. shown there?

Because it's all BS?

by Bishop Brennan 08.07.14 19:40

joel27 wrote:
sallypelt wrote:David Wuffler ‏@Heavy_Dave · 1m
In Lisbon, Gerry #mccann answers a question that hadn't been asked : "I just want to say that the dog did not smell blood."

Why is the first thought, what brought out the need to raise it, is there something new that suggests or adds to the previous findings.

Edit Why just mention blood ?

Reminds me of a famous scene from the League of Gentlemen. In the "Local Shop for Local People" the clearly-guilty Tubbs and Edward are being asked questions about a missing hiker. Tubbs' line just as the policeman leaves (at 1:40 in the clip) is a classic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOtpgz4L5d8

big grin

by **tigger** 08.07.14 19:47

worriedmum wrote:
suzyjohnson wrote:
canada12 wrote:I don't actually think the fact (if it is a fact) that Sean mentioned something from GA's book to his mother counts as extreme distress, disharmony or whatever else the McCanns are suing for. If Sean had then gone on to have serious emotional issues, or had failing grades in school, or something like that, then perhaps Kate might have a slim case in suggesting GA's book has led to problems for her kids. As it stands, I do believe if she's going to make statements about her children, she'd really need to back those up by allowing the kids to testify about their emotional states. Otherwise it's just hearsay, and very weak hearsay (IMO). So really it can only be about Kate and Gerry's emotional states as a result of GA's book, and so far I haven't read or seen anything that convinces me they're suffering. I'm hoping the judge is perceptive enough to come to the same conclusion.

In any case Sean's question seems to have been resolved by his mother's answer that Amaral has said a lot of silly things. From that response it doesn't sound as though Sean was traumatised does it?
Great point,suzyjohnson!

Maybe he 'moved on'..

But surely the press and news have been so full of SY looking for Maddie with the help of digging equipment that it can no longer be firmly established from which source either of the two minor claimants are deriving their distress.
It's been all over the news for several months, none ofit attributable to Dr. Amaral.

by Monty Heck 08.07.14 19:53

candyfloss wrote: Kay Burley @KayBurley · 5m
Kate #McCann: Tells the portuguese libel case son Sean heard about Amaral's allegations on the radio while travelling on the school bus

Catching up and still miles behind so this may have been already discussed (in which case apologies) but why would SMcC be travelling on "the" school bus? Don't they live in a village? Was it not publicised years back that M and subsequently the twins were going to a village school? Would find it surprising if this is true, especially that October last there was a UK radio news broadcast which (openly) stated the Snr Amaral had claimed K had killed M and hidden her in a freezer, particularly as Snr A has not stated that K did that. If a story needs to be told, under oath in open court it should contain an element of credibility, otherwise it merely insults the intelligence.

by TheTruthWillOut 08.07.14 20:03

Monty Heck wrote:
candyfloss wrote: Kay Burley @KayBurley · 5m
Kate #McCann: Tells the portuguese libel case son Sean heard about Amaral's allegations on the radio while travelling on the school bus
Catching up and still miles behind so this may have been already discussed (in which case apologies) but why would SMcC be travelling on "the" school bus? Don't they live in a village? Was it not publicised years back that M and subsequently the twins were going to a village school? Would find it surprising if this is true, especially that October last there was a UK radio news broadcast which (openly) stated the Snr Amaral had claimed K had killed M and hidden her in a freezer, particularly as Snr A has not stated that K did that. If a story needs to be told, under oath in open court it should contain an element of credibility, otherwise it merely insults the intelligence.

I'm assuming that as Madeleine was due to start going to Bishop Ellis primary school in September 2007 then the twins now go there. Thurmaston is about 5 miles from Rothley hence the school bus.

by ultimaThule 08.07.14 20:06

Just a reminder that those who feel outraged by the McCanns' suit against Dr Amaral can show their support for him here: http://pjga.blogspot.com/

by **sharonl** 08.07.14 20:08

Where was Amelie when Sean was on the bus? Did she hear this too?

The twins are just 9 years old, their sister was allegedly kidnapped, their mother is at home. Is Kate really going to risk letting her 9 year olds travel to school alone when she could just as easily take them herself.

It was only a few months ago that she said that, for the very first time, she went into a garage and left them in the car whilst she paid for her petrol. Yet they travel to school alone?

by Guest 08.07.14 20:10

Liars are always found out in the end.

It is so much easier to remember the truth than a lie. They have proven this time and time again.

by IAmNotMerylStreep 08.07.14 20:16

sharonl wrote:Where was Amelie when Sean was on the bus? Did she hear this too?

The twins are just 9 years old, their sister was allegedly kidnapped, their mother is at home. Is Kate really going to risk letting her 9 year olds travel to school alone when she could just as easily take them herself.

It was only a few months ago that she said that, for the very first time, she went into a garage and left them in the car whilst she paid for her petrol. Yet they travel to school alone?

I saw a picture on the internet, possibly last year, of Kate walking the kids to the bus stop so maybe the kids get on the bus and it goes straight to school?

by ultimaThule 08.07.14 20:21

Monty Heck wrote:
candyfloss wrote: Kay Burley @KayBurley · 5m
Kate #McCann: Tells the portuguese libel case son Sean heard about Amaral's allegations on the radio while travelling on the school bus
Catching up and still miles behind so this may have been already discussed (in which case apologies) but why would SMcC be travelling on "the" school bus? Don't they live in a village? Was it not publicised years back that M and subsequently the twins were going to a village school? Would find it surprising if this is true, especially that October last there was a UK radio news broadcast which (openly) stated the Snr Amaral had claimed K had killed M and hidden her in a freezer, particularly as Snr A has not stated that K did that. If a story needs to be told, under oath in open court it should contain an element of credibility, otherwise it merely insults the intelligence.

It would seem that the McCanns have eschewed the village CofE primary school to send the twins to the nearest RC equivalent 5 miles away, Monty Heck which, as it appears that their stay at home mother doesn't drive them to and from school, begs the question of whether the school provides a bus for its pupils?

If so, I'm surprised that its drivers are allowed to play/listen to the radio while ferrying groups of children to and from their homes and, if not, I'm surprised that drivers of public buses are allowed to have the radio on while driving and picking up/dropping off passengers.

As with all of her words, I would like to see KM's latest claim tested in a court of law in time-honoured fashion and hope that the defence will be making the appropriate requests to the judge.

by petunia 08.07.14 20:24

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by Guest 08.07.14 20:28

LizzyF ‏@scrantlings 11 mins
Ben Thompson on today's court proceedings. #mccann https://www.facebook.com/groups/JusticeForMadeleine/permalink/655601457869265/ …

by Guest 08.07.14 20:29

candyfloss wrote:LizzyF ‏@scrantlings 11 mins
Ben Thompson on today's court proceedings. #mccann https://www.facebook.com/groups/JusticeForMadeleine/permalink/655601457869265/ …

Can someone please let us know the gist of this. ^^^^^

by maebee 08.07.14 20:30

Good report from Ben Thompson, who was in court today: https://www.facebook.com/groups/JusticeForMadeleine/permalink/655601457869265/

by TellTheTruth 08.07.14 20:32

View-from-Ireland wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://news.sky.com/story/722317/parents-pain-as-twins-join-madeleine-school

This confirms that the twins started school in September 2009.

It's possible that the school has its own bus service for pupils living at a distance but their website is down and I can't check that.

My point was would parents not arrange for somebody to wait with the children for the bus? Tony's comment that somebody claimed the twins used to wait alone, unsupervised, at a young age is what struck me.

I wouldn't let them out of sight until much older. You often see parents waiting with their children for the bus.

Still catching up but I absolutely agree VFI.I have dropped my son off MANY a time for the bus and I have always waited because many a time the bus was too late and MANY a time that bus has not come or it has just sailed past and not stopped. Then I have taken him in myself.Not a problem to me at all but he's at college!! Quite a difference between his age and the twins!

But, if the bus doesn' t turn up these twins are stranded. Have they got phones to contact their loving mother?

No way would I ever leave a child of Sean and Amelie's age at a bus stop.

Does this fall within the bounds of "responsible parenting" I wonder?

I thought poor old Kate had to give up her work? So what stopped her doing the school run like most parents?

As for hearing this on the radio on the bus, that sounds like cow pat to me.

by Dubious 08.07.14 20:33

Bishop Brennan wrote:
joel27 wrote:
sallypelt wrote:David Wuffler ‏@Heavy_Dave · 1m
In Lisbon, Gerry #mccann answers a question that hadn't been asked : "I just want to say that the dog did not smell blood."

Why is the first thought, what brought out the need to raise it, is there something new that suggests or adds to the previous findings.

Edit Why just mention blood ?

Reminds me of a famous scene from the League of Gentlemen. In the "Local Shop for Local People" the clearly-guilty Tubbs and Edward are being asked questions about a missing hiker. Tubbs' line just as the policeman leaves (at 1:40 in the clip) is a classic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOtpgz4L5d8

Best bit of the series :-D

Funnily enough tubs and Edward also have "secrets"

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by Themis 08.07.14 20:38

From a transcript from a Portuguese news programme which I think is RTP;

Question to the reporter was why has the case been postponed....

"...they were postponed because the McCann couple wants to know exactly how much, both the former inspector of the Judiciary and the editor, profited from the book and so the court ordered… will ask the Customs and Tax Authority to inform, precisely, the court...."

I thought they K and G were frustrated by delays in this case and it was not about the money!

The ONLY reason to ask this of the court is to ensure you get as much as you can perhaps that errs towards greed rather than a quest for justice.

by sallypelt 08.07.14 20:39

candyfloss wrote:
candyfloss wrote:LizzyF ‏@scrantlings 11 mins
Ben Thompson on today's court proceedings. #mccann https://www.facebook.com/groups/JusticeForMadeleine/permalink/655601457869265/ …

Can someone please let us know the gist of this. ^^^^^

Sent the link to my daughter who has a Facebook account, and this is what she has sent me:

Well I thought I'd seen it all from the McCanns, but dear me, the figure Kate cast in front of the judge today was even more pitiful than that she cuts on Lorraine Kelly's sofa each year. What was most striking though was the sheer lack of thought behind each and every answer she gave. Asked by the judge whether she had ever suffered from depression, the answer she gave was no, but then went on to waffle on about how depression can come in many forms, I'm guessing a lack of cash in her rear pocket couldn't be diagnosed officially as depression, much to her dismay. Kate was quiet in her responses but flashed the forlorn look over to the clearly unimpressed judg
As a witness for the prosecution goes she was hardly man of the match. Asked about the how the book had affected Sean and Amelie, Kate mentioned the fact that child psychologist, Dave Trickey, had advised them to answer any questions the children might have. Asked if either of the twins had queried anything, Kate stated that Sean had asked if they killed Madeleine, when given the answer she said he just moved on, followed by her trademark curl of the lips. Wow! Just like Kate and Gerry did when Madeleine asked why they didn't come when her and Sean were crying 7 years ago. Kate also mentioned the fact that the McCanns have an internet media monitoring unit. No surprises there hotlips, though nice of you to confirm it to those who have been tormented by your "friends" for speaking the truth

more to follow

by tasprin 08.07.14 20:43

As it's all over the news now, I wonder if the school bus driver will be hauled in to answer why he was listening to a news broadcast detailing how Madeleine's body may have been hidden, while the McCann children were sitting on the bus.

Just seen your post Sallypelt, and according to the link Kate McCann says "killed" not "hidden" and I'm a bit confused now as to which is correct. But if it's the former why has the MSM changed the word?

by sallypelt 08.07.14 20:43

As a witness for the prosecution goes she was hardly man of the match. Asked about the how the book had affected Sean and Amelie, Kate mentioned the fact that child psychologist, Dave Trickey, had advised them to answer any questions the children might have. Asked if either of the twins had queried anything, Kate stated that Sean had asked if they killed Madeleine, when given the answer she said he just moved on, followed by her trademark curl of the lips. Wow! Just like Kate and Gerry did when Madeleine asked why they didn't come when her and Sean were crying 7 years ago. Kate also mentioned the fact that the McCanns have an internet media monitoring unit. No surprises there hotlips, though nice of you to confirm it to those who have been tormented by your "friends" for speaking the truth
about your heinous past.
As you would expect both Kate and Gerry were evasive of the truth, for instance when asked about the effects of the book, Kate mentioned that social media and internet groups had followed and believed Goncalo Amaral's book. What Kate wasn't expecting was the follow up question, were these groups around prior to the book, or after......................struggling to find words Kate was forced to admit that the groups were around prior to the book, although in her own words the book "added fuel to the fire" heaven forfend!! Before Kate left her position, and could finally head off to being her stony faced self again, the judge asked a big question, how did the effect of the book compare to losing your daughter. This is a vitally important question, remember the official line from the McCanns

at the start of the proceeding was that it was far worse. Now faced with the question, Kate changed the official line to a new improved line "it compounded the pain" Following the questions Kate stood up moved to the back of the court moved her way down the pew to were I was sat, had a change of heart turned and bailed out the back door. At that point it was time for a break
: After a short interval we went upstairs to the courtroom once again, this time it was the turn of Gerry. As we know Gerry likes to act the big man, full of bravado and self importance, and today was no different. He talked confidently, he talked clearly, and he lied. He was asked much the same questions as Kate was, only his answers were slightly different. Yes he was more forceful and assured with his responses, but as far as substance and argument of point goes he was as wishy washy as his partner in crime. Gerry too was asked if the groups on the internet were around before Amaral's book, he replied he wasn't sure. I almost did a real life lol! We're talking about a man who is a control freak to a the point of obsession. Of course old flat head knew
the groups were around before the book, just like the official PJ files were around before the book. The very same police files the book was based on.
Gerry mentioned that Sean had asked why Mr Amaral had said that they had hidden Madeleine's body............I bet the answer they gave wasn't "well your mummy's clothes were covered in the scent of a human corpse, we lied through our teeth about the factors that led to Madeleine's disappearance, and set about a life of lie upon lie, hidden truth upon hidden truth and slanderous accusations of our own. The judge asked Gerry what impact Goncalo's book had had on the perception of public opinion as to the involvement of the McCanns with regards to Madeleine's disappearance, you couldn't make Gerry's response up. He , full of smarm and smugnes
, declared that he couldn't be sure as he didn't know what the public opinion was before the book. He was also asked how losing his daughter compared pain wise to the damage the book did. His response? A diversion to say the least, when he stated that the two things happened at different times, and therefore couldn't be compared. Digging more holes than Scotland Yard there Gerry me old fruit! This show isn't over yet though, Gerry was asked if he ever had a loss of appetite or suffered insomnia due to the contents of the book
yes came the reply "but it wasn't permanent"
: At the end of Gerry's time in the hot seat, and in his infinite arrogance, Gerry set about an attempt to discuss his favourite subject the dogs. This part of the proceedings was an absolute wonderment to watch. Gerry claimed that the dogs didn't find any blood, then despite the judge telling him to be quiet he carried on, desperately trying to put across his lie. It was at this point the judge , with a wry smile waved a backhand at Gerry and told him to be quiet, interrupted his every utterance, before asking him if he was a specialist on the dogs, and then reminding Gerry that he wasn't here to state things he was here to answer her questions in her court..... IT'S A BULLSEYE!!!
Today belonged solely to Goncalo Amaral, who entered the court apprehensive, and left full of life and confidence. The final day was due to be on Thursday, but the McCanns, without thought for Goncalo, and whether he would have to organise child minders caused yet another postponement, due to them requesting Goncalo's financial records as well as those of the producer of the documentary, the publishers of the book and TVI, the tv station that broadcast the documentary, but it isn't about the money hey? Yeah right

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