CRIMEWATCH RECONSTRUCTION - However, Kate and Gerry have banned the re-enactment of their daughter’s disappearance from taking place in Portugal through fear of angering the country’s police.

The incident with the Smiths will not be a problem at all for Gerry because it was not him going down the street with the child.

The Met don't have to take them to Spain.

Simply let Gerry go down the street with a child in his arms and the Smiths will scream: "Not at all! The man we saw had blue hair and red eyes!"

Portia wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:The British taxpayer pays for DCI Andy Redwood, and his team of - now 43 - Metropoloitan Police officers.

And has done for the past 2 years and 5 months.

The licence-fee payer is paying for this BBC Crimewatch event.

In both cases, those institutions must be working to a clear agenda and strategy - and with a desired result as their common goal.

They have invested a great deal of time and resources in those efforts.

Good morning Mr. Bennett,

What's your take on my suggestion that a comprehensive deal was reached this spring between the Portuguese and UK authorities; 
Dr Amaral walks free; the McCs ditto; while SY lays their hands on all mobile 'phone traffic generated from PdL 'paedophile networks' since whenever?

I think what you suggest is very unlikely.

AFAIK Scotland Yard don't need the permission of Portugal to go searching the records of mobile 'phone companies in 31 countries.

I really don't think that the current libel trial is just for show, with the decision to find Amaral not guilty of libel already in tne bag.

I would not however put it past the heads of the governments of the UK and Portugal to discuss 'deals' of some kind involving the reported disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

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cass7 wrote:wonder who the tapas friends will be that is thrown under a bus - and not in the sence of the word - or have they made new statements that the mcanns dont know about - anyone got a linky to yahoo comments please

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Here's a good one - it appears that Gerry takes his English lawyer with him when he goes to see his Portuguese brief.   I do so hope Isabel got her fees upfront

It's 5* hotels all the way for the McCanns - wonder what budget hostals they chose to accomodate their British/Canadian pals in?

Anyone else clock Gerry's handmade suit with the flash red lining last Friday?  Still made him look like the pugnacious pratt he is.

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Indubitably Sally!
'Madeleine’s father and the English lawyer who accompanied him on the visit to Portugal, on Tuesday, were lodged at the D. Pedro Palace, a five-star hotel and one of the most luxurious ones in Lisbon. Everything, of course, financed by the ‘Find Madeleine’ Fund.'

Am I the only one who finds it significant that the McCanns have refused the request of SY to take part in the reconstruction? In 2008, CM stated that the parents and their friends would be willing to take part in a Crimewatch style reconstruction which would be televised and now they are too upset! It seems that their feelings are much more important than actually finding their daughter or they know what happened and know that their participation would show up the discrepencies in their statements.

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Why are comments now being allowed on articles, are they no longer afraid of Mclitigation?

I agree Montclair, I too think it is significant in that they appear to me to be making excuses not to co-operate with the  a police investigation. We have:

a) The Portuguese Police may get upset
b) It will make us upset

So much for leaving "no stone unturned" Is that still the name of their Company?

Less than a month after Joanna died, Mrs Yeates volunteered to help the investigation by playing the role of her daughter.

Six years on and the McCanns are still not prepared to do the same for their daughter.

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‘Let me play Joanna in reconstruction’: Mother wants to take part in Crimewatch film to find the killer
10 January 2011
Important CCTV evidence may have been missed
All mobile phones used near Jo on the night she disappeared will [be examined]  
Jo's brother describes how her death left him in 'a surreal hole of despair'
The mother of Joanna Yeates has volunteered to play the role of her daughter in a filmed reconstruction of the night the landscape architect was last seen alive. Theresa Yeates, 58, has been told by senior detectives of plans to stage a re-enactment which would be broadcast in the next episode of the BBC's Crimewatch.
Despite being 33 years older than her daughter, Mrs Yeates is a similar height and build to the 25-year-old, and has expressed her desire to help with that reconstruction.
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Why are comments now being allowed on articles, are they no longer afraid of Mclitigation?

I'm only guessing but yahoo is an internet site and is not a newspaper (it could be owned overseas - but I don't really know) where as newspapers probably come under separate publication laws - even their internet sites.

I expect someone will know all the in and outs of the differences.

This same mother scoured the streets in the dark, in the coldness of the snow banging on the boots of parked cars to see if her daughter was in there.

Montclair wrote:Am I the only one who finds it significant that the McCanns have refused the request of SY to take part in the reconstruction? In 2008, CM stated that the parents and their friends would be willing to take part in a Crimewatch style reconstruction which would be televised and now they are too upset! It seems that their feelings are much more important than actually finding their daughter or they know what happened and know that their participation would show up the discrepencies in their statements.

You are not the only one.

Previously, they've said that they wouldn't take part in a reconstruction if it wasn't going to be televised.
Now it is.
They still don't want to.

Previously, they said they couldn't see how it would help the investigation.
SY clearly think it would help the investigation.
They still don't want to.

They are happy to talk about Madeleine's "abduction" to the world's media.
They have been interviewed for TV, radio, papers, magazines an incredible number of times since 2007.
Kate has penned a book describing images of horrific abuse of their little girl.
They have stood, staring at huge billboard photographs of their "missing" daughter.
They have produced their own "documentaries."
They have produced their own "reconstrution" of snippets of that night's events, in PDL.
They have spoken at the Leveson enquiry about their experience.
They have advertised their limited company and pleaded for money all over the place.
They have chosen to start legal proceedings with those who dare question them.
They allowed details of their sex life to be front page news.

Yet, when it comes to cooperating with SY and assisting them with their investigation into finding their daughter...
- the very daughter, they are currently trying to convince a judge, that the search for whom was severely damaged
- at a cost of millions
- an investigation that they insist they wanted and demanded

...they don't want to take part because it'd be too upsetting to re-live it?

...they don't want it to be filmed in Portugal in case it upsets the "f*k*ng t*ss*rs"?

Sure.

Lance De Boils wrote:

Montclair wrote:Am I the only one who finds it significant that the McCanns have refused the request of SY to take part in the reconstruction? In 2008, CM stated that the parents and their friends would be willing to take part in a Crimewatch style reconstruction which would be televised and now they are too upset! It seems that their feelings are much more important than actually finding their daughter or they know what happened and know that their participation would show up the discrepencies in their statements.

You are not the only one.

Previously, they've said that they wouldn't take part in a reconstruction if it wasn't going to be televised.
Now it is.
They still don't want to.

Previously, they said they couldn't see how it would help the investigation.
SY clearly think it would help the investigation.
They still don't want to.

They are happy to talk about Madeleine's "abduction" to the world's media.
They have been interviewed for TV, radio, papers, magazines an incredible number of times since 2007.
Kate has penned a book describing images of horrific abuse of their little girl.
They have stood, staring at huge billboard photographs of their "missing" daughter.
They have produced their own "documentaries."
They have produced their own "reconstrution" of snippets of that night's events, in PDL.
They have spoken at the Leveson enquiry about their experience.
They have advertised their limited company and pleaded for money all over the place.
They have chosen to start legal proceedings with those who dare question them.
They allowed details of their sex life to be front page news.

Yet, when it comes to cooperating with SY and assisting them with their investigation into finding their daughter...
- the very daughter, they are currently trying to convince a judge, that the search for whom was severely damaged
- at a cost of millions
- an investigation that they insist they wanted and demanded

...they don't want to take part because it'd be too upsetting to re-live it?

...they don't want it to be filmed in Portugal in case it upsets the "f*k*ng t*ss*rs"?

Sure.

What a great post Lance De Boils.

 Lance

They have a lot of lawyers to pay and are only interested in raking in cash via their website Findmadeleine.con

Fab post Lance De Boils   

Brilliant post Lance De Boils. Thank you.

Superb post, Lance De Boils  

There is some small comfort to be derived from the thought that following the McCanns' performance as fully unpaid up members of Hacked Off at the Leveson show amid allegations of  phone tapping and hacking on the part of the press, it could be phone records and genuine hacks that do for them so to speak.

Lance De Boils wrote:

You are not the only one.

Previously, they've said that they wouldn't take part in a reconstruction if it wasn't going to be televised.
Now it is.
They still don't want to.

Previously, they said they couldn't see how it would help the investigation.
SY clearly think it would help the investigation.
They still don't want to.

They are happy to talk about Madeleine's "abduction" to the world's media.
They have been interviewed for TV, radio, papers, magazines an incredible number of times since 2007.
Kate has penned a book describing images of horrific abuse of their little girl.
They have stood, staring at huge billboard photographs of their "missing" daughter.
They have produced their own "documentaries."
They have produced their own "reconstrution" of snippets of that night's events, in PDL.
They have spoken at the Leveson enquiry about their experience.
They have advertised their limited company and pleaded for money all over the place.
They have chosen to start legal proceedings with those who dare question them.
They allowed details of their sex life to be front page news.

Yet, when it comes to cooperating with SY and assisting them with their investigation into finding their daughter...
- the very daughter, they are currently trying to convince a judge, that the search for whom was severely damaged
- at a cost of millions
- an investigation that they insist they wanted and demanded

...they don't want to take part because it'd be too upsetting to re-live it?

...they don't want it to be filmed in Portugal in case it upsets the "f*k*ng t*ss*rs"?

Sure.

 I think you have summed it up perfectly.

In light of their latest refusal take part in a reconstruction, this is an interesting post (APRIL 2013) from  l-azzeri-lies-in-sun blog

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April 2013

Tapas Refusals
David and Fiona Payne,
Matthew and Rachael Oldfield
Russell O’Brien and Jane Tanner

We have seen the absolute reluctance of the tapas group, those who holidayed with the McCann couple to assist police with a reconstruction of events of the night Madeleine vanished without trace.
The Portuguese Police answered all the questions put to them by this group, the questions which they said they needed to have answered before they would consider returning to Portugal. They were given the re-assurances also which they asked for from the police as far as was possible.
The police could not however guarantee the group that the arguido status of Kate Healy McCann and Gerald McCann would be lifted - this was one of their demands.

It is obvious that they feared returning to Portugal.

They invented all sorts of excuses for not doing so, and IN so doing, they accused the Portuguese Police of wanting them back in Portugal so that they could deem the group ‘suspects’ in the disappearance of Madeleine. Saying, also, that the police in Portugal simply wanted to FIND HOLES in their stories! That the police wanted to create inconsistencies in their stories! That the police wanted to create problems for them!

Added to which they each stated that they saw no need for a reconstruction, saw no benefit of a reconstruction, they said it was too late in the day, that it should have been done sooner, it was at the wrong time of the year, too close to the 'first Anniversary' of Madeleine’s disappearance.
On, and on the excuses rolled off their tongues. The weather would be a problem to them. The press would be a problem to them. People, locals might film them and then release the material. It might be dark if it was a cloudy day when the reconstruction was filmed. It would be upsetting for them.
Wakey, wakey, anyone in this group remember the victim in this tragic case, a little girl, Madeleine, who we are constantly told is alive and unharmed, being held captive possibly by a paedophile gang according to her parents - how 'upset' to put it mildly she might be? The wee girl who unlike this bunch doesn't have a say a choice in where goes, what happens to her, and who DIDN'T have any choice on the night she vanished, her PARENTS deciding it was BEST for her and her brother and sister to spend EVERY evening on their OWN in a dangerous situation, in the dark, scary and unfamiliar unlocked holiday apartment?

Each of this group continually stated that they were NOT refusing, that they would do ALL in their power to help. That they wanted to help!
Sadly for Madeleine they NEVER DID!
What stands out in all of their statements is they claim that IF the reconstruction was filmed for the purpose of being televised for public viewing, an appeal for information that would help find Madeleine, they would THEN have been happy to return. They could see a benefit in that.
The irony? The police were APPEALING to THEM to return to Portugal to provide information crucial to the investigation information which by taking part in a reconstruction of events would HELP MADELEINE would help police ascertain what could have happened that evening, at WHAT TIME it was possible for any would-be intruder to have struck, to establish how this alleged intruder gained access to the apartment and how he made his escape. Quite baffling that the group could not see the benefit - Or, was it simply a case of another excuse not to return, for reasons best known to them, but I am sure obvious to most!

This notion they have also which they spout that ONLY a reconstruction produced for television would be helpful to Madeleine, in finding her, in discovering what happened to her is quite ridiculous.
Just as it is ridiculous for them to say, as they do, that if someone says the little girl is most likely to be dead, that this would prevent the public from reporting to police any information that may come to their attention.
Madeleine may be dead. Most likely the child is, taking into account where the information collected by the investigation points. But surely, that is not a reason for the group to not want to assist? Surely discovering who harmed the child, who removed her from the apartment, discovering if possible where are her remains so that she may be laid to rest is equally as important to the McCanns, and the others in the holiday group?

Sadly it seems not. The McCanns, and their friends are okay with asking the public to help Madeleine, asking the public to donate to their Fund, but when it comes to them assisting police – a quite different story - they are not so forthcoming, not the group as a whole, nor the child's mother Kate McCann, who refused to answer when questioned by police!

And one must ask - Has the Fund helped the child?
Six years on, and £m's of Fund money spent, (almost £1m lost to dodgy detective agencies) vast sums spent on legal actions raised by the McCann couple which they have failed to win in particular against a retired Portuguese Police Officer in their attempts to silence him.
One must ask also - How much in £'s has gone directly to help Madeleine and in what way? As thus far it would appear their extremely costly, private investigation funded in part by publicly donated monies, which they have quite literally bragged about for the past 6 years, has not come up with a scrap of evidence to support their abduction theory.

Their private detectives have failed not only in finding any clue, but failed to produce even a theory as to how Madeleine was abducted.
We do of course have the McCanns story of abduction, but that quite frankly, is all that it is, their version.
It is not a version backed by police, by evidence, or by anyone else. Simply the story they released and for some extraordinary reason in some quarters it was accepted without challenge. Yet, they have told tales of jemmied windows which were proved by forensics not to be true. We have had Clarence Mitchell shape stories for the press, of 'sightings' among other far fetched tales, as part of their campaign. They have made claims that they are investigating leads which the Portuguese police failed to act on, ONLY this too was not true. On their Website we have still a picture of an individual they claim has not been identified. This is a claim they have made re several people and again it was not true, people who were checked out and cleared by Portuguese police. And we have stories of 'checking the children' which absolutely do not add up. WHY?

We have also on their website a claim, 'a criminal style reconstruction' for those visiting to view.
The McCanns did NOT make a criminal style reconstruction of events of the night Madeleine vanished. They put together a little drama which by no stretch of the imagination could be referred to, or considered as a criminal style reconstruction.
Key witnesses not being allowed to take up the positions where they were on the night Madeleine vanished! Tanner's 'man' being portrayed as one and the same man that the Smith family saw? He was shown to be carrying the child in the same manner as in the Tanner sighting, which of course the McCanns who made this drama KNEW was not a truthful re-enactment. And much more misleading information was contained therein. But we must not forget their site is McCann World, and there it seems, 'anything is possible.'

Rubber wrist bands, on sale too, good quality, no less, so they say, t-shirts, holiday packs, no doubt lying gathering dust, not best sellers I would imagine, as not exactly what our children need as we set off to the sun - a reminder that little kids disappear on holiday, left alone at night in dark apartments by their parents
Altogether a rather cheap and tacky site in my view - it is not what one expects when a little girl is missing - this money making scheme.
Money though is NOT the answer to solving the crimes against this child, nor is hiring dodgy private detective agencies.
The public donating have a right to know that the monies are being used wisely, and for proper purpose. They have a right to know when vast sums are lost to fraudsters, fraudsters who the McCann Team declared were doing a 'GOOD JOB, that the McCanns were pleased with his efforts.
How can that be?
The key witnesses, the McCanns and their friends without a doubt hold the answer to what happened to Madeleine. Kate McCann says of others - 'they might not know that they hold a piece of information.'
Then arguably the same applies to this group of people, the McCann group, that they don't know that they hold vital information? Though their 'refusals' tell another story!
Such a pity the Portuguese Police could not have called ‘their bluff’ on this one, as there is NO WAY these people were returning to Portugal under any circumstances.
You see, whether the reconstruction was filmed/recorded, be it for police internal investigative use only or for the purpose of a televised appeal for information, the VERY SAME problems and excuses they spoke of would still have existed.

They would still have thought the Portuguese police wanted to:
Find holes in their stories.
Cause them problems.
Create problems and inconsistencies in their stories.
Make them suspects – 'slap arguido status on them' as Tanner said.
The press, the locals filming it, and all of the other quite ridiculous excuses they invented to avoid going.
The weather, the storm clouds, the darkness, the time of year, the closeness to the 1st Anniversary would still all have been the same.
Kate Healy McCann and Gerald McCann would still have been arguido as the police said they could not guarantee this would change before any reconstruction.
They claimed a reconstruction at this time would have been too little, too late. Only one way to find out - to test it!
So for this group of people, the McCanns included to say they would have taken part in a reconstruction if it was for the purpose of an appeal is utter nonsense.
Their same fears/excuses would still have existed. Their fear of returning to Portugal of having to speak with police.
These people it is clear for all to see on reading the statements given by them, the refusals, were afraid to return and I can only think that this was because they KNEW absolutely that their statements did not add up. That a reconstruction would throw up the the flaws in their story.
Flaws which Matthew Oldfield very calculatingly stated the Portuguese Police would create if they, the tapas group stepped once more on Portuguese soil. The police cannot 'create' inconsistencies, they either exist in the tales told by the group in their statements to police, or they do not.
But how very devious of Oldfield, of them all, to attempt to shift blame by once more spreading a tale, and again not one of truth, to blacken the Portuguese Police by suggesting they would create inconsistencies problems for the group.

The flaws, the inconsistencies the untruths in their police witness statements are ALL of their OWN making. Their problems of their own creation when they set out to deceive.
Six years ago this group of people dug a hole, and they haven't stopped digging since!
Madeleine, finding her, helping her, discovering what happened on that fateful night – furthest from their minds!
O’Brien? Sickeningly gushing in his correspondence to Leicestershire police in defence, of the McCanns who he barely knew! Now why would that be?
"We are very keen to help an investigation aiming to establish what's happened to Madeleine, but have no desire to assist one that seeks only to damn our innocent friends."

How does O'Brien know if his "friends" are innocent?
How do we know if O'Brien is innocent?
How can we believe him?
This is the man who stated to police, that he took the keys of both the McCann apartment and the Oldfield apartment on the Sunday evening, entered both properties and checked on the Oldfield child and the McCann children.
Oh dear - HE WAS LYING!

EVERYTHING about their actions sets alarm bells ringing! None more so than the REFUSALS and what the REAL REASONS behind them!
The next pages detail the correspondence sent by the individual group members to Leicestershire police, as ‘middleman’ between the group and the Portuguese police. An interesting read!
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A thank you, to Nige at the McCannfiles, his site is a marvellous source of reference from where I obtained the information on rogatory interviews/the communications between group and police.
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Lance De Boils, it could not be more perfect . GREAT!

Lance De Boils wrote:

Montclair wrote:Am I the only one who finds it significant that the McCanns have refused the request of SY to take part in the reconstruction? In 2008, CM stated that the parents and their friends would be willing to take part in a Crimewatch style reconstruction which would be televised and now they are too upset! It seems that their feelings are much more important than actually finding their daughter or they know what happened and know that their participation would show up the discrepencies in their statements.

You are not the only one.

Previously, they've said that they wouldn't take part in a reconstruction if it wasn't going to be televised.
Now it is.
They still don't want to.

Previously, they said they couldn't see how it would help the investigation.
SY clearly think it would help the investigation.
They still don't want to.

They are happy to talk about Madeleine's "abduction" to the world's media.
They have been interviewed for TV, radio, papers, magazines an incredible number of times since 2007.
Kate has penned a book describing images of horrific abuse of their little girl.
They have stood, staring at huge billboard photographs of their "missing" daughter.
They have produced their own "documentaries."
They have produced their own "reconstrution" of snippets of that night's events, in PDL.
They have spoken at the Leveson enquiry about their experience.
They have advertised their limited company and pleaded for money all over the place.
They have chosen to start legal proceedings with those who dare question them.
They allowed details of their sex life to be front page news.

Yet, when it comes to cooperating with SY and assisting them with their investigation into finding their daughter...
- the very daughter, they are currently trying to convince a judge, that the search for whom was severely damaged
- at a cost of millions
- an investigation that they insist they wanted and demanded

...they don't want to take part because it'd be too upsetting to re-live it?

...they don't want it to be filmed in Portugal in case it upsets the "f*k*ng t*ss*rs"?

Sure.

Lance de Boils - you`ve got the knack of cutting through all the cr** and summing up the whole scam so clearly.

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Thanks Maebee.

Daily Mirror - " There could even be arrests as the show is screened"

...  have I got a great picture in my mind .

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Hi Maebee, is this the front page for tomorrow?

I've thought about this all day and the only possible reason I can see for it being filmed in Spain is that Carter Ruck must have threatened to sue the BBC for copyright and trademark infringements due to a film of a similar, but quite different (abduction) scenario being released shortly.  

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Hi Maebee, is this the front page for tomorrow?

Seems to be bris. Nice of SY to let the arrests be known in advance. More rubbish

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Hi Maebee, is this the front page for tomorrow?

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There could even be arrests as the show is screened..........

Good interview.......listen from 2.40 mins on Part 2 discussion on reconstruction

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Here's part 1 - Kate getting rattled:
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Montclair wrote:Am I the only one who finds it significant that the McCanns have refused the request of SY to take part in the reconstruction? In 2008, CM stated that the parents and their friends would be willing to take part in a Crimewatch style reconstruction which would be televised and now they are too upset! It seems that their feelings are much more important than actually finding their daughter or they know what happened and know that their participation would show up the discrepencies in their statements.

Maybe Dr M was hoping to have a special day squeezed in just for him to testify in the Libel Trial? Maybe on the 13th or 14th or 15th of October?