Portuguese prosecutor releases files of sightings

They gathered the information - with photo etc - then sent it to Portugal.

justagrannynow 1 wrote:

vaguely1 wrote:Why would you phone the McCanns hotline with details about a child with a gun to their head? I would imagine that the person giving the information would presume it would be looked in to.

The issue really isn't the quality of the information.....it's the fact it was filed away and never looked at again because the police force were stuck looking in one direction only.

Hi vaguely, see my reply to Inyx above.

I cannot believe that police in NZ, France etc, would hold back an investigation in their own country until they were given the go ahead by the PJ, who, stuck in Portugal, would have no way of knowing if it was Madeleine or not. Surely the PJ cannot instruct the police force of another country to take no action on their own soil? It doesn't make sense.

Beggars belief - but seems to be the usual answer - we passed it on and heard nothing.

Will there ever come a point when people can agree that the investigation has been a tad disappointing?

No - because it will always be the Mccann's fault. Even if she is found now it will still be the Mccann's fault. Some people never get past that.

Because it was their fault

Instant confirmation.

The astonishing CCTV footage from New Zealand shows a girl very like Madeleine being led into a supermarket by a portly man in shorts - seven months after her disappearance.

The man's behaviour aroused the suspicions of a female security guard in the shop in Dunedin on the South Island and she approached the girl to establish she was British.

Although the girl said her name was 'Hailey', the security guard was convinced the girl was Madeleine and reported the incident to police.

Interpol in Wellington then sent the images to police in Portugal who promptly deemed it 'not relevant'.

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HOPEFULLY, the man or his family will come forward straight away. They will easily be able to identify themselves from the CCTV footage.

ABSOLUTELY ,TOTALLY THE RESULT OF RECKLESS DISREGARD FOR THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THEIR CHILDREN

WOODWARD wrote:Because it was their fault

So if she is found in the hands of a stranger......that stranger shouldn't go to prison? They've committed no offence?

vaguely1 wrote:

WOODWARD wrote:Because it was their fault

So if she is found in the hands of a stranger......that stranger shouldn't go to prison? They've committed no offence?

Completely irrelevant - it is the Mccann's fault.

WOODWARD wrote:ABSOLUTELY ,TOTALLY THE RESULT OF RECKLESS DISREGARD FOR THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THEIR CHILDREN

Yeah, in fact the police should refuse to look for her, because that'd teach the McCanns a valuable lesson.

vaguely1 wrote:

WOODWARD wrote:ABSOLUTELY ,TOTALLY THE RESULT OF RECKLESS DISREGARD FOR THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THEIR CHILDREN

Yeah, in fact the police should refuse to look for her, because that'd teach the McCanns a valuable lesson.

Now that's more like it.

thank you.

vaguely1 wrote:thank you.

You have to accept the fact that it is known that Madeleine is dead. Have you ignored all the evidence and recent court case which proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt?

vaguely1 wrote:

WOODWARD wrote:ABSOLUTELY ,TOTALLY THE RESULT OF RECKLESS DISREGARD FOR THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THEIR CHILDREN

Yeah, in fact the police should refuse to look for her, because that'd teach the McCanns a valuable lesson.

Good God - probably right in certain quarters - sadly.

VAGUELY i have enjoyed sparring with you ,you are unfailingly polite and I apologize for my caps lock outburst but as soon as I saw chinagirl posting I officially declared this yet another pro site and as such not aplace I wish to stay as Idont beleive for one nano second in the contortionist bogeyman pre-planned opportunist swarthy abductor who chose the moment when the area in an around the apartment was awash with tapsniks as the perfect moment to NOT break into the apartment but to go in thru the open patio door and open a window just for fun-and I never will,even if they manage to frame a dozen patsies. Enjoy chatting to chinagirl,she thinks Amaral dragged the corpse of a dead baby around the apartment to trigger cadaver odour for those dogs that cant detect it. Bye Jill SORRY YOUR FORUM WAS OVERRUN BY THE USUAL SUSPECTS

Vaguely - for further reading I refer you to the excellent analysis by Tony of why the court decision was wrong. (he didn't even need to see the court transcript it was so obvious), and also to the truth seeking/reporting morais blog.

There's no evidence she's dead and any decent Police officer wouldn't even think about filing leads without a proper investigation.

It's a disgrace the person who was in charge in December 2007 didn't instruct the NZ Police to do a follow up. Unless the information was hidden from him by one of the lower ranked officers.

An absolute disgrace - and not the only one ignored - we can be pretty sure of that.

WOODWARD wrote:VAGUELY i have enjoyed sparring with you ,you are unfailingly polite and I apologize for my caps lock outburst but as soon as I saw chinagirl posting I officially declared this yet another pro site and as such not aplace I wish to stay as Idont beleive for one nano second in the contortionist bogeyman pre-planned opportunist swarthy abductor who chose the moment when the area in an around the apartment was awash with tapsniks as the perfect moment to NOT break into the apartment but to go in thru the open patio door and open a window just for fun-and I never will,even if they manage to frame a dozen patsies. Enjoy chatting to chinagirl,she thinks Amaral dragged the corpse of a dead baby around the apartment to trigger cadaver odour for those dogs that cant detect it. Bye Jill SORRY YOUR FORUM WAS OVERRUN BY THE USUAL SUSPECTS

Thank you Woodward, we all have a capslock moment every now and again.

I hope you'll have a cuppa and a TV break and be back.....soon?

:flower:

Hi
I asked similar to Gran a while back because it didn't make sense to me then and it still doesn't now.

If two on foot Policemen were patrolling through London and saw a Bin Laden lookalike having a cuppa and a chat with a mate in some cafe they would not pass on the information to the USA or England's terrorist experts and carry on walking thinking their responsibility had been fullfilled. Well I do not believe that they would as I would like to think our Police use a little common sense.

Why would the Police of any country simply pass on reports of sightings of a little girl who looks like Madeleine to Portugal and do no more? Previously it was explained that this is how it works because the Portuguese are the lead investigative force. Well that's fine, but surely a duty of care would ensure that, whilst all this telephoning back and forth is happening, the relevant Police force of the country where the sighting is made would at the very least start investigating the sighting?

So have I got this so very wrong? A little girl is having a gun put to her head on a highway in France and some passerby sees it and undoubtedly lets the French Police know. The French Police cannot do anything just in case it is Madeleine without first making the call to Portugal to get permission to go sort it out because, afterall, this may be Madeleine McCann, and in her case it is the Portuguese who say yay or nay to the matter being investigated further?

The CCTV picture is frighteningly like Madeleine and now, all this time later, because of protocol, if it was her, the opportunity to reunite her with her family may be missed all together?

And do come back Woodward.

Take care

"So have I got this so very wrong? A little girl is having a gun put to her head on a highway in France and some passerby sees it and undoubtedly lets the French Police know. The French Police cannot do anything just in case it is Madeleine without first making the call to Portugal to get permission to go sort it out because, afterall, this may be Madeleine McCann, and in her case it is the Portuguese who say yay or nay to the matter being investigated further?"

In that example there is a criminal offence being committed in France (whether it is Madeleine or not) - the local police should have sorted that matter out.

WOODWARD wrote:VAGUELY i have enjoyed sparring with you ,you are unfailingly polite and I apologize for my caps lock outburst but as soon as I saw chinagirl posting I officially declared this yet another pro site and as such not aplace I wish to stay as Idont beleive for one nano second in the contortionist bogeyman pre-planned opportunist swarthy abductor who chose the moment when the area in an around the apartment was awash with tapsniks as the perfect moment to NOT break into the apartment but to go in thru the open patio door and open a window just for fun-and I never will,even if they manage to frame a dozen patsies. Enjoy chatting to chinagirl,she thinks Amaral dragged the corpse of a dead baby around the apartment to trigger cadaver odour for those dogs that cant detect it. Bye Jill SORRY YOUR FORUM WAS OVERRUN BY THE USUAL SUSPECTS

WOODWARD I hope you will reconsider. This mixed forum seems to be doing OK. I should imagine many members will have issues with other members, but lets give it a go. Chinagirl has at least used her usual username so isn't hiding behind a different one.

Jill has said that this is an anti forum. The antis are members and the pros are our guests. To be honest I haven't worked out what she means by this as my mother always used to insist that our guests got the best of everything. I always ended up with the cakes they didn't want, but there you go.

I would prefer to think it's a fencies forum and we just put up with you lot on either side.


Oooops, there goes me jellybabies

jmbd wrote:"So have I got this so very wrong? A little girl is having a gun put to her head on a highway in France and some passerby sees it and undoubtedly lets the French Police know. The French Police cannot do anything just in case it is Madeleine without first making the call to Portugal to get permission to go sort it out because, afterall, this may be Madeleine McCann, and in her case it is the Portuguese who say yay or nay to the matter being investigated further?"

In that example there is a criminal offence being committed in France (whether it is Madeleine or not) - the local police should have sorted that matter out.

Which they did - obviously couldn't get any further with it, and passed it to Portugal....who then 'filed' it.

All of these offences will have been investigated locally and will then have been passed via interpol to Pt.

vaguely1 wrote:I would prefer to think it's a fencies forum and we just put up with you lot on either side.


Oooops, there goes me jellybabies

good way of looking at it.

jmbd wrote:"So have I got this so very wrong? A little girl is having a gun put to her head on a highway in France and some passerby sees it and undoubtedly lets the French Police know. The French Police cannot do anything just in case it is Madeleine without first making the call to Portugal to get permission to go sort it out because, afterall, this may be Madeleine McCann, and in her case it is the Portuguese who say yay or nay to the matter being investigated further?"

In that example there is a criminal offence being committed in France (whether it is Madeleine or not) - the local police should have sorted that matter out.

Hi
Of course holding a gun to a little girl's head is a criminal offence so surely it would have been investigated at the time and dealt with by the French Police and it was not Madeleine, in which case why is information of it even being passed on?

I can't imagine that a half naked man and a half naked little girl on a highway were that difficult to find.

Take care

Kololi wrote:

jmbd wrote:"So have I got this so very wrong? A little girl is having a gun put to her head on a highway in France and some passerby sees it and undoubtedly lets the French Police know. The French Police cannot do anything just in case it is Madeleine without first making the call to Portugal to get permission to go sort it out because, afterall, this may be Madeleine McCann, and in her case it is the Portuguese who say yay or nay to the matter being investigated further?"

In that example there is a criminal offence being committed in France (whether it is Madeleine or not) - the local police should have sorted that matter out.

Hi
Of course holding a gun to a little girl's head is a criminal offence so surely it would have been investigated at the time and dealt with by the French Police and it was not Madeleine, in which case why is information of it even being passed on?

I can't imagine that a half naked man and a half naked little girl on a highway were that difficult to find.



Take care

Good point Kololi, I hadn't thought of that. This little girl could not have been Madeleine, so why was it in the recently released files ........ or was it ????

Presumeably they will only be in the files if she has not been ruled out, if the driver even saw what he claims there is always the chance that the individuals were not found and the case remains as nothing more than a recorded incident/allegation. I would assume that had the child and man been identified then the incident information would record that.

justagrannynow 1 wrote:

Kololi wrote:

jmbd wrote:"So have I got this so very wrong? A little girl is having a gun put to her head on a highway in France and some passerby sees it and undoubtedly lets the French Police know. The French Police cannot do anything just in case it is Madeleine without first making the call to Portugal to get permission to go sort it out because, afterall, this may be Madeleine McCann, and in her case it is the Portuguese who say yay or nay to the matter being investigated further?"

In that example there is a criminal offence being committed in France (whether it is Madeleine or not) - the local police should have sorted that matter out.

Hi
Of course holding a gun to a little girl's head is a criminal offence so surely it would have been investigated at the time and dealt with by the French Police and it was not Madeleine, in which case why is information of it even being passed on?

I can't imagine that a half naked man and a half naked little girl on a highway were that difficult to find.



Take care

Good point Kololi, I hadn't thought of that. This little girl could not have been Madeleine, so why was it in the recently released files ........ or was it ????

couldn't have been because? Or did the police find them