A handy 'Telegraph' guide to the 9 abductors and 2 abductresses we are supposed to be looking for
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A handy 'Telegraph' guide to the 9 abductors and 2 abductresses we are supposed to be looking for
Some of the newspapers have a nice, gentle line when it comes to ridicule or sarcasm.
Today the Daily Telegraph has a report on how 'pleased and delighted' the McCanns are with the continued banning of Goncalo Amaral's 'The Truth About A Lie'.
But it also has, most helpfully, a rogues' gallery containing artists sketches of the 11 abductors we are all supposed to be looking for.
CORRECTION - 9 abductors, and two abductresses - for the McCanns' senior detective Dave Edgar maintains that Jane Tanner might have seen a woman - and indeed on of ther two abductresses shown is that Aussie-speaking 'Victoria Beckham-lookalike' - except that the artists' sketch makes her look quite different from 'Posh Spice'.
Actually, I make it 14 different sketches we've had of the abductor - but I won't quibble too much with the Telegraph's 11.
It does make it hard to look for someone, though.
Isn't it all a tad confusing?
By now, couldn't we narrow it down to, say, one man and one woman?
Anyway, if you want to look at this rogue's gallery, and in case it helps someone 'search for Madeleine', here they all are.
Let's start at...
...say...
...No. 5...
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Today the Daily Telegraph has a report on how 'pleased and delighted' the McCanns are with the continued banning of Goncalo Amaral's 'The Truth About A Lie'.
But it also has, most helpfully, a rogues' gallery containing artists sketches of the 11 abductors we are all supposed to be looking for.
CORRECTION - 9 abductors, and two abductresses - for the McCanns' senior detective Dave Edgar maintains that Jane Tanner might have seen a woman - and indeed on of ther two abductresses shown is that Aussie-speaking 'Victoria Beckham-lookalike' - except that the artists' sketch makes her look quite different from 'Posh Spice'.
Actually, I make it 14 different sketches we've had of the abductor - but I won't quibble too much with the Telegraph's 11.
It does make it hard to look for someone, though.
Isn't it all a tad confusing?
By now, couldn't we narrow it down to, say, one man and one woman?
Anyway, if you want to look at this rogue's gallery, and in case it helps someone 'search for Madeleine', here they all are.
Let's start at...
...say...
...No. 5...
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Re: A handy 'Telegraph' guide to the 9 abductors and 2 abductresses we are supposed to be looking for
I don't think this one is an described as an abductor, just a man behaving suspiciously with a woman and child in a tavern in Masstrichtersteenweg.
Would that bring the total down?
Would that bring the total down?
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Maybe a PCC complaint?
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most of them are people seen in and around PDL, or behaving strangely elsewhere - information from third parties.
Not sure what you're saying about 11 abductors.???
Not sure what you're saying about 11 abductors.???
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See no8.....it says that sketch wasnt produced by the PJ...is that right?
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As somebody experienced in this Tony - were you relieved and pleased when you acceded to the Mccanns?
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It calls them suspects not abductors but I only looked at number 5 and didn't look further as he was creepy enough so maybe the others were called something else.
Take care
It calls them suspects not abductors but I only looked at number 5 and didn't look further as he was creepy enough so maybe the others were called something else.
Take care
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It calls them suspects not abductors but I only looked at number 5 and didn't look further as he was creepy enough so maybe the others were called something else.
Take care
No, it's just a collection of various artists impressions - of different people in different places at different times. Not artists impressions of a possible abductor.
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TB.. Why didn't Amaral find an expert witness to confirm his thoughts that the dog's prove that a corpse had been in the appt and the car... because he couldn't find one.... because he is wrong, as are you. There is no proof that Maddie is dead.
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Rather than producing a list from a paper - why not produce a list from the files - there are plenty in there.
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Perhaps some of you abduction believes, could help us out here - you insist that Maddie was abducted so anyone in this rogues gallery we should be looking closely at?
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Not number 5 please - Looked at him already and he is some creepy looking fella.
Take care
Take care
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Autumn wrote:Perhaps some of you abduction believes, could help us out here - you insist that Maddie was abducted so anyone in this rogues gallery we should be looking closely at?
No Autumn, because you believe Madeleine to be dead. But if you were keen on changing your opinion I wouldn't bother looking for any of the ones that aren't labelled as possible abductor.
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Persons of interest I think most of them are called?
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I don't understand OP.
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Abductors, suspects on the wall: Who is the creepiest of them all?
Kololi wrote:Hi
It calls them suspects not abductors
Suspects of what? Abducting? Or something else? Clarence Mitchell was very crafty on this. He kept saying: "This is someone we wish to eliminate from our enquiries" or "This is someone we are interested in". Muddying the waters all the time.
but I only looked at number 5 and didn't look further as he was creepy enough
Creepier than No. 4?
so maybe the others were called something else.
Artist's sketch No. 1 is the Victoria Beckham lookalike who, er, according to the sketch, doesn't look anything like Victoria Beckham. As she was looking for her 'new daughter', or 'a quarter', on downtown dockland Barcelona (er, Spain, hundreds of miles from Praia da Luz) at 2am (and talking to a hard-drinking British businessman who had agonisingly agonised for two years before revealing this conversation), and supposedly about to board a boat to Australia, three days after Madeleine was reported missing, it's hard to see how she could be connected to the prison lair '10 miles' from Praia da Luz, in the 'lawless hills around', where Dave Edgar is convinced that Madeleine is being kept.
Take care.
That's a quote from Clarence Mitchell. He said it direct to Goncalo Amaral after Amaral told him his book was about to be published. Amaral took it to mean 'watch out'. What a silly detective to so misunderstand cuddly Clarence.
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1)The article doesn't state that all these people are supposed to be abductors.
Tony, why can you never take politeness or nicety as it's meant?
Tony, why can you never take politeness or nicety as it's meant?
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Suspects of what? Abducting? Or something else? Clarence Mitchell was very crafty on this. He kept saying: "This is someone we wish to eliminate from our enquiries" or "This is someone we are interested in". Muddying the waters all the time.
Crafty? is that not what the U.K. police say? someone we wish to eliminate?
I think it's unfair to call that crafty. What would you have preferred him to have said?
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You even pick my take care to pieces Mr Bennett????
You ain't getting nookie tonight are you so you're in a grump again.
TAKE CARE
You ain't getting nookie tonight are you so you're in a grump again.
TAKE CARE
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Wheres the Ruddi Gullit looky likey? From what I remember it looked liked something the twins might have drawn
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nice.
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I thought No. 11 (the egg head one) was drawn by Jane Tanner? But the write up beneath the sketch says it's by Simon Russell...but having said that, the write up doesn't make sense, at least not to me:
"The e-fit of a man, as drawn from memory by British-born DVD shop owner Simon Russell after being shown it by police, in Praia Da Luz, following the disappearance of Madeleine McCann"
Shown what? The e-fit he supposedly (according to the Telegraph) drew or something else?
Think I must be having one of my dozy days.
"The e-fit of a man, as drawn from memory by British-born DVD shop owner Simon Russell after being shown it by police, in Praia Da Luz, following the disappearance of Madeleine McCann"
Shown what? The e-fit he supposedly (according to the Telegraph) drew or something else?
Think I must be having one of my dozy days.
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That no 11 I thought was done originally by PJ and Simon recreated it on sky news to show how ridiculous it was of the police to be asking if egg man was recognisable to anyone. Jane didnt have anything to do with it IIRC
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Thank you Bunny ... guess I have some misinformation lodged. My brain obviously needs a good sorting and re-filing
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Did a quick search.
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Under the heading “eggman”
The article was updated (in the red box): The infamous 'eggman' sketch was reported, at the time, to have been produced from the description of a man seen by Nuno Lourenco on the beach at Sagres.
However, following the release of information from the PJ case files, it is now clear the original computer generated image - from which the 'eggman' sketch was subsequently produced by Simon Russell - did actually come from Jane Tanner's description.
Presumably this information was witheld at the time due to the Portuguese judicial laws of secrecy.
Maybe I don't need to sort and re-file my brain....but I do need a better memory :oops:
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Under the heading “eggman”
The article was updated (in the red box): The infamous 'eggman' sketch was reported, at the time, to have been produced from the description of a man seen by Nuno Lourenco on the beach at Sagres.
However, following the release of information from the PJ case files, it is now clear the original computer generated image - from which the 'eggman' sketch was subsequently produced by Simon Russell - did actually come from Jane Tanner's description.
Presumably this information was witheld at the time due to the Portuguese judicial laws of secrecy.
Maybe I don't need to sort and re-file my brain....but I do need a better memory :oops:
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had a look at that but I can not recall anything in the files to back that statment up. Sasha could you have a look in the files for that proof as I dont think a link to someones opinion cuts it IMO as proof.
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Found it sasha...it was a sketch done by the PJ and Jane. The PJ apparently didnt have the software to do a face!I'm assuming that they had to wait to get that software from somewhere else as Im sure they did do some photofits later on. Why on earth the pj felt that would look like anyone is beyond me.
I needed to that sketch that first night, I
mean, they took me in to do the sketch, but they only had, erm, front facing software,
so you know, and at that point I said, you know, is there, can I do, because the clothes
and everything was the thing was the thing that was the most in my mind then and I
can remember saying to the chap I met on the stairs earlier, I think it’s (inaudible), is
it?”
4078 “Yeah”.
Reply “Because he took me in the car back and forth and I can remember saying to him on
the way back ‘Look, is there a way I can do a sketch with clothes, you know, do you
have software or any way that I can do a sketch of the clothes or a side, a side view’.
And he sort of said ‘No, we don’t have that feasible, you know, feasibility or
availability’. And I said then ‘Can I do that when I go back to the UK’, you know,
because at that point it was in my head and it would have been, and they were the bits
that I think would have been recognisable to get down on paper. But at that point it
was like ‘Oh no, we can’t do that, we don’t work in that way’. Which I can
understand and, you know, now obviously I think ‘Oh I should have pushed and
really pushed’, but at that point you rely on, you don’t, you know, you’re just in such
shock and you just think ‘Okay that’s the way things do’, but”.
4078 “Yeah”.
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Sorry I was late getting back on here ....thank you for finding it Bunny.
Got to agree with you, it's the worst sketch of a suspect I've ever seen too :D To me it looks like a hand drawn sketch. Do they really have software to create images of suspects that end up looking like that?
Got to agree with you, it's the worst sketch of a suspect I've ever seen too :D To me it looks like a hand drawn sketch. Do they really have software to create images of suspects that end up looking like that?
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I agree and thats what makes me think it might be the guy from the video shops....could be wrong but i just couldnt see a police force 1. releasing it and 2. having software that is that basic.
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Here's the link to the original article.
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At the end there's a bit of interesting information about the rivalry between the PJ and GNR.
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At the end there's a bit of interesting information about the rivalry between the PJ and GNR.
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