A few lies

"81 LIES"

They lied about the checks (every hour then when that wasn’t received well changed it to every half hour)

They lied that they were performing the checks themselves (then it became known other men in the group were also checking on the McCann kids)

They lied even after that in the TV interview when Kate says she discovered Madeleine gone ‘on one of my checks’ – it was the only check she made that night.

They lied about the distance from the apartment to the Tapas bar

They lied that you can see the apartment from the Tapas Bar

They lied about whether they actually saw Madeleine with their own eyes or just listened at the door (as did their friends)

They lied about who checked and when (changing their stories)

They lied about who remained at the table all evening and who was absent

They lied that leaving 3 children all under four years old alone at night ‘at the time was not irresponsible’



Their friends lied about seeing Murat there that night (as incoming and outgoing phone records placed him consistently at home)

They lied about Bundleman.

Tanner lied about when she gave Bundlemans details to the Police (changing the date)

Tanner lied about the description of Bundleman (changing the height and appearance) Wilkins & Gerry or Tanner lied about that check when they were all in the same place but never saw each other.

They lied that the door was locked and changed it to unlocked when it was not well received.

They lied that the door was closed, then it was open because of ‘danger of fire’

They lied about the shutters being jemmied or forced

They lied to friends, family and media when the called them that night telling them of an abductor who had broken into their apartment

Gerry lied when he said there was no way Madeleine could have gotten out of bed and then said she must have wandered off.

Gerry later lied in his blog saying the twins must like their new cots because they were asleep by 7:30pm which was very unusual, and yet the twins were asleep by 7:30 on the night of May 3rd allegedly.

They lied to friends, family and media in phone calls that night saying the Police had not shown up when they were already there.

Kate lied to Mrs Fenn saying the Police had been called.

They lied saying they had called the Police when it was in fact Mark Warner

They lied when they said it felt so safe and then said they knew they were being watched.

They lied to family, friends and media on the phone that night when they said nobody was doing anything wheen in fact locals, holidaymakers and staff were all helping search.

They lied when they said they were all searching when Kate and Gerry were hitting phones until midnight

Tanner claims she knew nothing of the disappearance until another friend knocked on her door.

Gerry lied when he asked for a priest claiming not to know where the church was.

They lied as to what time the Police arrived

They lied that Cuddlecat was Madeleine’s favourite toy and then that it was a present to be given to her on her fourth birthday.

They lied saying they would cooperate fully with the investigation

They lied saying they would not do anything to hinder the investigation

They lied that the fund was going to be a charity.

They lied that the fund would help other missing children and families of.

They lied when they said they didn’t know Murat.

They lied when they said they would stay in Portugal until their daughter was found.

They lied when they said they were going to learn Portuguese.


They lied that it could not possibly be Madeleine’s blood in the trunk of their hire car.

And then they took the same vehicle out of circulation so no further tests could be carried out upon it.

They lied about not discussing the case and met with the Tapas 9 secretly.

Gerry lied about where his wallet was apparently stolen, Waterloo station and then near Downing Street.

They lied when they said abductions like this (snatched sleeping from a hotel or apartment) happen a lot, they don’t.

They lied about the fund not being used for personal matters and then it paid their mortgage.

Kate lied about coming into contact with 6 dead people in her 1 day a week job as GP to explain the cadaver scent on her clothing.

They lied about cuddlecat having the scent of Madeleine and being comforting and then as soon as they heard the dogs were coming Kate announced she had washed it because it smelled of sun tan lotion. Making forensic analysis of it much harder.

They lied about the crime scene, about how many people came into the crime scene, walked around and contaminated it, again making investigation much harder and destroying much evidence according to detectives.


Gerry lied about the existence of the tennis bag.

They lied about going to sue media companies.

They lied about the film deal.

They lied about sacking Justine McGuinness and her subsequent departure.

They lied about returning to Portugal for questioning voluntarily and now will only do if their Arguido status is lifted. They have also appointed General Pinochets extradition-fighting lawyers.

Gerry lied about his faith. They lied to the local catholic priest (who now claims he was deceived by the McCanns) and then deserted him for the Anglican reverend instead and never, ever took confession apparently.

They said a lie detector test would clear them and now refuse to take one.

They lied for months saying they were not suspects in the disappearance of their daughter and were then both made formal Arguido / suspects under Portuguese law.

They lied about the possibility of sedation and then claimed ridiculously that perhaps the Abductor had sedated all 3 of their children before making off with Madeleine.

Gerry lied about Kate’s ability to cope with three children on her own when her own Parents and her own diary say different.

They lied about the amount of alcohol consumed that night. In another lie about cooperating they refused to provide their mobile phone records to the pj. Kate explaining away the scent of death of cuddlecat because she took the childs 4th birthday present cuddly toy to work and exposed it to contact with 6 dead people.


They lied how everything had been so normal up til May 3rd when it is now known that Mark Warner staff had received complaints from other holidaymakers because of their home alone children crying and seeming in distress. This also brought Mark Warner staff looking for the McCanns on the night of the 2nd and insisting they attend to their distressed children.

They lied about 90 minute tennis lesson with several versions of the story being put out by official sources within the McCann Camp They and at least one friend lied about Madeleine’s last meal on May 3rd.

They lied about the abductor entering through the window and then changed it to the patio doors.

Matthew Oldfield lied about his check on the McCann children changing his story not once but twice. Kate lied about physically searching for her daughter but then admits to not have done so in a tv interview.

McCanns claim they were the first to arrive to tapas on May 3rd, Rachel Oldfield claims they were the last to arrive.

Despite being in Rome and Madrid and claiming to be spending the rest of the week quietly at home in PDL with the twins, the hire car in it’s first week clocked up over 500 miles.

Gerry lied about his checks on the children in the apartment, at first having claimed to have entered several rooms later then claiming the abductor must have hiding in the apartment while he was there.

Gerry and O Brien have lied about their locations when holding a mobile phone call together on June 10th as verified by phone records and pinpointing.

Jane Tanner has changed her statements, arrival time at tapas, direction of travel, checking times for night of May 3rd.

Najova Chekaya who joined the tapas 9 at the table at 9:30 states nobody left the table until Kate went to check putting Oldfields, O Briens, Tanners and Gerry McCann's statements into question"

The more I read about these people the more I wonder how they're getting away with it.

They lied about the coloboma either then or now.

I am sure I remember Kate McCann talking about a coloboma in an interview - that's the only time I had heard of it. Anyone found that interview on you tube?

We were being pointed to a girl with a distinguishing mark in her eye - we all remember the posters. It doesn't really matter to the rest of us what the medical term was.

Garth wrote:How would you like to place a wager that your claims of 'lies' can be proven to be either misinterpretations, misunderstandings or just a complete and utter lack of comprehension?

All I need to do is prove that only 'one' of your claims are wrong and you are guilty of libel.

Up to you Jill Havern.

Lets see YOU show the courage of your convictions..........and if you cannot, all I see, is these claims as being nothing more than propaganda to instill hate in the minds of those guillible enough to believe it!

Garth

Do you believe that every single one of those points listed are: misinterpretations, misunderstandings or just a complete and utter lack of comprehension?

Also do you believe that every single witness statement contains nothing but the whole truth?

If your answer above is yes then please explain to us your reasons for the glaring discrepancies in them?

I'd contend that Admin has demonstrated the courage of their convictions by posting them in the first place so why don't you now demonstate yours?

The points have been made (and stood by) by Admin.

Prove them wrong.

Thank you ME for your last posting, my thoughts exactly. I just wish Garth would tell us his motivation for his one-man-and-alter-ego-crusade so that we know if he is a genuine correspondent or simply a mischief maker who has too much time on his hands.

I'll answer alright Jean, not a problem. But first, lets make sure we know the meaning of the word.
 
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
 
And remember, the claims have been made by the anti's so I will question you lot about some of these claims and you will need to prove that the above defination of a lie fits the claims you make
 
Fair enough people?

Well people, is anyone going to answer?

Give us a chance Garth, some of us have other things to do. I don't think it's unreasonable - bearing in mind all the questions you've asked - that you answer some which are addressed to you. I hope I'm not simply being nosy but I would like to know what motivates you to go on and on.

Garth, the balls in your court.
Most posters on here except all those lies as proven. It's up to you to make a case to disprove any or all of those statements.

Jean, lets just stick to the topic.
 
Where are you Me?............can't you call yourself something else like Mike? [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]  [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] 

Garth, I agree with you about the confusion with ME's name! I suspect that he is having a well-earned breather after all his efforts recently to answer your never-ending postings. I still feel that some information about you as a person is relevant but let's agree to differ on that.

Here we go people, brace yourselves for everybodies favourite.........
 
So, lets look at this one:
 
They lied about the shutters being jemmied or forced

Right..........this should be fun.........
 
So you claim they 'lied', which means that you know with absolutely no question of doubt, that the McCanns purposefully told an untruth with the intent to disceive.
 
Prove it!
 
 
 
 
 

Those 81 lies were actually posted on the 3 Arguidos forum in 2009. I also posted them on my blog in 2009 and nothing has ever been said about them til now.

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Why do you take things about the McCann's so personally? Anyone would think you're Gerry the way you go on. But you can't be Gerry or even Kate because they're far too busy searching for Madeleine aren't they?

I see you're using RBxHN's ip address today

Garth
I’m posting in 2 forums at once, trying to work, and got a meeting coming up in 30 minutes. Don’t be an arse.

You said and I quote:

How would you like to place a wager that your claims of 'lies' can be proven to be either misinterpretations, misunderstandings or just a complete and utter lack of comprehension?

That statement means to me that you KNOW that these lies are “misinterpretations, misunderstandings or just a complete and utter lack of comprehension”

So if you know that then you don’t need anyone to prove the validity of them because you know the truth. So tell us what you know that makes you so sure.

You need to demonstrate to us with evidence how you know these lies are “misinterpretations, misunderstandings or just a complete and utter lack of comprehension”

If you can’t demonstrate this then how can you automatically assume that they are “misinterpretations, misunderstandings or just a complete and utter lack of comprehension”?

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Garth wrote:Jill luvvy, you do make me laugh. I think we should meet up some time. What do you reckon? [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] 

Do they let you out of those places then?

Me
 
With l respect mate, I fink you've got it arse about face.
 
I need to know the 'proof' and then I can challenge this 'proof' with, what I believe, to be misunderstandings. I could be completely wrong, but until I know exactly what 'proof' you have I cannot answer.
 
So lets 'ave it!

Garth wrote:Here we go people, brace yourselves for everybodies favourite.........

So, lets look at this one:

They lied about the shutters being jemmied or forced

Right..........this should be fun.........

So you claim they 'lied', which means that you know with absolutely no question of doubt, that the McCanns purposefully told an untruth with the intent to disceive.

Prove it!

There is no doubt that they did lie. Either the shutters were jemmied open or they weren't. They said they were and they weren't. It is an untruth therefore a lie. From gazetta digital

"Trish
Cameron and Philomena McCann, Gerry’s sisters, Jill Renwick, a family
friend and Jon Corner, Madeleine’s godparent were important key players
in the McCann’s campaign of manipulation and distortion, since the early
hours. Despite the clear and blunt denials of John Hill, the Ocean
resort manager, Portuguese police and witnesses, they insisted that the
shutters of apartment 5A were “jemmied” or “broken” and – small but interesting detail – the door, which had been locked, was open.”

“Trish Cameron, Mr. McCann’s sister, from Dumbarton, near Glasgow, said it appeared that someone had been spying on Madeleine and had targeted her for abduction. The front door was open, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
and Madeleine was missing,” she said. “Nothing had been touched in the
apartment, no valuables taken, no passports. They think someone must
have come in the window and gone out the door with her.”

“(…) the manager at the Ocean Club (…) [John] Hill said
that despite the report by a family friend that the shutters to the
couple's apartment were broken, there was no sign that anyone had forced
their way in while the McCanns ate at the tapas restaurant 200 yards away.”

“But family friend Jill Renwick
told GMTV the McCanns were certain that Madeleine has been abducted.
"They were just watching the hotel room and going back every half-hour
and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and they had gone into the room and taken Madeleine," she said.”

“Trish Cameron,
Mr. McCann’s sister, said she received a telephone call from her
39-year-old brother, a consultant cardiologist, who was "hysterical and
crying his eyes out". She said: "They had put the kids to bed at 7pm and
checked on them every half an hour as they had dinner nearby with the
rest of the party. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and the door, which had been locked, hanging open.”

“Philomena McCann
said: "(..) We think they were being watched and this was premeditated.
Gerry is worried that may have happened. Some people may ask why they
left the children alone in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].”

“Jon Corner,
a close friend of Mrs. McCann and godparent of the twins, said she
telephoned him in the middle of the night distraught. He said: "She just
blurted out that Madeleine had been abducted. She told me, '[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and taken my little girl.' "They had left the apartment locked while they were having their meal, but when they went back the last time they saw the damage."First they saw one of the window shutters had been forced, and then they saw the door was open and the bed was empty - and Madeleine was gone.”

“(…) Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa, spokesman for the investigation, has confided in British former Chief Inspector Albert Kirby [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Gerry and Kate McCann would have used the patio doors as they checked on their daughter and her twin siblings during their meal near the Mark Warner holiday complex swimming pool and it is these doors that were left unsecured.
The McCanns and all their friends on the holiday left their patio doors
open throughout the evenings for fear of fire. Mr. Kirby told The Mail
on Sunday: (...) The window shutters are not an issue. Their mechanism makes them almost impossible to open. The door was left unlocked. They did that every night."

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] speaking on Martin Brunt's documentary [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], aired on 24 December 2007: "I think it's impossible for somebody to get in and out, through that window
without leaving a forensic trace. Apart from anything else, the window
sills in that area are covered in green lichen. The minute you try and
scrape over the window sills you would have left marks and we know that
the scenes of crime lady, the next morning, was looking for exactly
that."


“Interestingly, Clarence Mitchell's statement about the McCanns reversal of their 'break in' story, came one week after Dispatches aired the documentary [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] on 18 October 2007. In that documentary, it was effectively proved that there was no way anybody could break into the apartment and leave no forensic trace
or damage to the lightweight aluminium shutters, which are covered with
a fine coating of polyurethane paint which marks extremely easily.”
“They
also tested the thumb prints, that showed up under the red dust of the
forensic fingerprint powder, and proved the prints came from somebody
moving the shutter from inside the apartment.”

“Again, Prof Dave Barclay said: "We must be very careful that we're not saying this is actually staging but it's difficult to see how anybody could have interfered with those shutters, from outside, without leaving some trace. In fact, having looked at them, I think it's almost impossible."

Garth, it doesn't help your case when you patronise contributors you believe to be female. I will assume that you are in no way connected with the McCanns and thus I just don't understand why you are so heated and angry.

Garth wrote:Me

With l respect mate, I fink you've got it arse about face.

I need to know the 'proof' and then I can challenge this 'proof' with, what I believe, to be misunderstandings. I could be completely wrong, but until I know exactly what 'proof' you have I cannot answer.

So lets 'ave it!

Really? But if you say you know they're all mistruths etc etc ALREADY, before you have received any proof, then why do you need that proof, if you are already so certain?

Me, thanks for your attempt.
 
You said
 
There is no doubt that they did lie. Either the shutters were jemmied open or they weren't. They said they were and they weren't. It is an untruth therefore a lie. From gazetta digital

No, you know with absolute no doubt, that the McCanns were intentionally trying to mislead people. Prove it!
 
By the way, do you understand the word 'mistaken'?

Jean, Im not heated, on the contary, Im just amused.
 
And believe me, if we can goet to understand why many posters on here claim they are lies, in other words, know for a fact they deliberately said these things in order to deceive, then it may well go to answering why many people fail to understand many things and hence believe they are guilty.
 
Do you understand the definition of a lie, because going on Me's last post, he obviously doesn't. What do you think?

Garth wrote:Me, thanks for your attempt.

You said

There is no doubt that they did lie. Either the shutters were jemmied open or they weren't. They said they were and they weren't. It is an untruth therefore a lie. From gazetta digital

No, you know with absolute no doubt, that the McCanns were intentionally trying to mislead people. Prove it!

By the way, do you understand the word 'mistaken'?

Garth
It was more than an attempt. It shot your argument about “mistruths misrepresentation and lack of comprehension” down in flames, though I don’t expect you’re man enough to admit to it.

Nope, no one can say WHY they lied apart from them and they haven’t answered that question have they?

But we can say they did lie about it and lots of times to lots of people.

And don’t try the semantics and word play, it smacks of desperation. A lie is an untruth. They told an untruth to several people (not just one).

Mistakes do happen, but repeating the same mistakes over and over, does that make sense to you?

Was the door locked, unlocked, open, closed, patio closed, locked, unlocked? Were the shutters open, closed, forced, broken?

In your mind at what point does a whole host of “mistakes” become suspicious?

Garth wrote:
No, you know with absolute no doubt, that the McCanns were intentionally trying to mislead people. Prove it!

By the way, do you understand the word 'mistaken'?

Are you trying to say that the McCann's were "mistaken" about the shutters being forced open?

If so, how could that have happened when Gerry himself claims to have inspected and handled them?

No, dont try and worm your way out of it.
 
It is claimed they lied.
 
And its got nothing to do with semantics. 'Lied' is a very easy word to understand.
 
Have a read again
 a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

 
 
Lets just stick to this one claim because believe brother, it will explain many of your other misgivings.
 
Im asking you, to show me how YOU KNOW THEY WERENT JUST MISTAKEN and that there intention was to deceive
 
So far its a case fo EPIC FAIL.
 
If I spotted you walking down the bleedin street with high heels and a wig on and said you were a girl and it was later proven that you were a man in drag, does that make me a bleedin liar is it just a case of being mistaken?
 
Crikey, how much more simple is it to  expain. Its no wonder you struggle to understand anything.
 
Incidentally, the above was just a metaphor, I dont want to be accused of being a liar.  [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] 
 
 

Gerry McCann Witness statement 4th May 2007


esterday, after the daily routine, MADELEINE and the twins were put to bed in their respective beds, and he stresses put to bed, at 7.30 pm. The deponent and his wife remained in the apartment to relax and drink a glass of wine until 8.30 pm. After checking the children, the deponent and his wife and the adults went to the "Tapas" restaurant, around 50 metres away, where they had dinner together. As usual, every half hour and considering that the restaurant was close to the apartment, the deponent or his wife went to check if the children were ok. Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked, and went to the children's bedroom and noted that the twins and Madeleine were in perfect condition. He then went to the toilet, where he remained for a few instants, left the apartment, and then crossed ways with someone with whom he had played tennis, who had a baby buggy, also a British citizen, with whom he had a brief conversation. He then returned to the restaurant. At around 9.30 pm, his friend MATT (a member of the group) went to his apartment where his own children were, and on his way he went into the deponent's apartment, going in through a sliding glass door at the side of the building, which was always unlocked. He went into the room, saw the twins and didn’t even notice if Madeleine was there, as everything was quiet, the shutters closed and the bedroom door half-open as usual. Then MATT went back to the restaurant.

At 10pm, his wife Kate went to check on the children. She went into the apartment through the door using her key and saw right away that the children’s bedroom door was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains drawn open. The side door that opens into the living room, which as said earlier, was never locked, was closed.




Gerry McCann witness statement 10th May

he walked the normal route up to the back door, which being open he only had to slide, and while he was entering the living room, he noticed that the children's bedroom door was not ajar as he had left it but half-way open, which he thought was strange, having then thought that possibly MADELEINE had got up to go to sleep in his bedroom, so as to avoid the noise produced by her siblings. Therefore, he entered the children's bedroom and established visual contact with each of them, checking and he is certain of this, that the three were deeply asleep. He left the children's bedroom returning to place the door how he had already previously described, then went to the bathroom. Everything else was normal, the shutters, curtains and windows closed, very dark, there only being the light that came from the living room.

He adds that he did not enter any other part of the residence, where he was for only two or three minutes, leaving yet again through the back door, that he closed but did not lock. He clarifies that he returned without checking any other couple’s children, even because he


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Calm down Garth .


Now, how can Gerry have been "mistaken" about the shutters being "jimmied" open. Please explain.

Why did the above statements change so drastically? First we have them going through the front door with a KEY, both of them, and then on 10th May it's through the patio doors?

First statement on 4th May, everything would be fresh in their minds, surely they knew which door they used, why was it changed 6 days later?

Hello Stella
 
I've given up on our mate me.............its like trying to train a monkey to dislike a banana!
 
You wrote
 
Are you trying to say that the McCann's were "mistaken" about the shutters being forced open?

If so, how could that have happened when Gerry himself claims to have inspected and handled them?

Stella, in Kates book she claims that Gerry made a discovery...and I quote
 
'in the childrens room, Gerry lowered the shutter at the open window. Rushing outside he made the sickening discovery that it could be raised from this side too, not just from inside as we'd thpugh'
 
A question for you......why do you think she describes it as 'sickening'?