No I don't think they did anything themselves

by **tigger** 23.10.11 10:31

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No, I don't think they even moved the body from the flat themselves,(must check Kiko's phone logs) they had help for that (probably Murat's contacts initially) I said that the body was moved from storage,( which may well have been in Sagres or nearby) by a third party who used their Renault. If you think about it, they wouldn't in their worst nightmares have expected the police to check a car they rented long after the abduction. They didn't expect to be checked again at all at the villa, all their energies had gone into cleaning 5a.
Anyone doing this service for them either wouldn't have a car of their own to use or didn't want to do so. It was a risk, but not a great one imo. High holiday time, trips to Spain easy, no border posts, no problem really.

I think the family gathering at Sagres was to ease the combined consciences of the family and friends.

I also think the elusive mention of the fridge by Gerry at one stage may have been the message that Maddie had been buried. In the topic on where to hide a body Nina worked out that a handful of consecrated earth will consecrate a grave just anywhere. So that may have been part of the Huelva trip.

by Upsy Daisy 23.10.11 10:50

No, I don't think they even moved the body from the flat
themselves,(must check Kiko's phone logs) they had help for that
(probably Murat's contacts initially) I said that the body was moved
from storage, which may well have been in Sagres or nearby by a third
party who used their Renault. If you think about it, they wouldn't in
their worst nightmares have expected the police to check a car they
rented long after the abduction. They didn't expect to be checked again
at all at the villa, all their energies had gone into cleaning 5a.
Anyone
doing this service for them either wouldn't have a car of their own to
use or didn't want to do so. It was a risk, but not a great one imo.
High holiday time, trips to Spain easy, no border posts, no problem
really.

No, I think the family gathering at Sagres was to ease the combined consciences of the family and friends.

I get you...so this is where Murat's involvement becomes important. Local knowlege and there was a question over him renting a car with different booking details when he already had a car, which I recall briefly seeing but can't remember the dates in question. Then there were the pings on G and RM's phones at the exact same time. I am sure I also read somewhere that G and RM were texting at exactly the same time at one point as well. Again I don't have this detail to hand. I suppose you are right, they would have thought 5a was the end of the investigation in terms of where Madeleine was 'last seen'. The fact that RM suddenly came back to PdL on 1st as well, may have meaning as this could have been the day it happened, G needed his help at that point, fast. Then later on they must have thought no-one would come knocking at that villa at that point, judging by the fact that on display were police manuals, K's famous chapter of the Bible marked and G's book The Interpretation of Murder all waiting to be discovered by the cops. I also read that someone said new plants had been perhaps been planted at that villa. Wonder if she was in a shallow grave there? Perhaps then transported by the famous Scenic and then the smell left to evaporate thereafter. I especially think they must have been horrified to hear that the 'dogs would be left to roam around that villa'. Their worst nightmare indeed. However I wonder did they signal anything in the garden there? Do you think it possible then that they arranged to meet RM or his cronies in Huelva to handover the body for disposal but there was a last minute hiccup and date had to be changed/invented illness or was this purposely done as they realised it didn't fit with the 40 days and had to change the date for this reason. Does anyone know if RM's phone records were investigated for this time period?

by Upsy Daisy 23.10.11 11:27

In G's blog entry for 27th May there is no mention of him hiring the Scenic, which I believe was rented from this date. He goes on about other activities for the day with the family, after planning a 'family day' the day before (the twins had a haircut this day). He mentioned himself getting stuck into emails etc. The day after on 28th, still no mention of hiring the car but making mention of the two guys Chris and Les arriving with the inflatable billboard. Mmmm....is there any signficance here??

by Upsy Daisy 23.10.11 11:54

I noticed from G's blog that the family day, which included a visit to a local beach on Sat 2 June, was the day before Chris and Les left with the inflatable banner ............


Day 30 - 02/06/2007 - Saturday
Relatively quiet day. Did manage to repsond to some e-mails regarding campaign issues with some excellent ideas coming through. We did visit a local beach with Sean, Amelie and the rest of the family who are here and managed to get a bite to eat. Having a huge number of media reuests in but want these to be very focussed in areas that will have clear benefits in the search for Madeleine. We did do a German TV and newspaper interview which wiil be released tomorrow to incraese awareness ahead of our planned visit to Berlin later this week. Most of the Sunday newspapers will carry some of the interview as a British reporter sat in and asked a few more quetions related to the campaign strategy.

Day 31 - 03/06/2007 -

Sunday

Was encouraged to learn of the large volume of information which has
come through the Leicester incident room following the appeal. Hopefully
the Portuguese police will have had a good reponse also and we hope to
meet with them in the next couple of days for an update. Chris and Les,
who travelled over with the huge inflatable banner which has been
positioned near the Spanish border, are heading home today. They were
very happy that the director of the Algarve tourist board allowed them
to put it up in private property owned by them, with thousands of cars
passing every hour and seeing Madeleine’s image and details of her
disappearance and reward. Sunday papers have reported our interviews
virtually verbatim but vey disappointed that the blog was lifted almost
in entirety by one newspaper yesterday after expressly forbidding such
an approach! The blog is to keep people visiting the website up to date

with our progress in the campaign to find Madeleine.

Mmmm......... with regard to the possible theory of her being transported back to UK....AFTER the family have a get together to say goodbye??? Plausible?? The vehicle being positioned at the border SP/PT is interesting.

by Upsy Daisy 23.10.11 12:14

Sorry, just following on from the previous post...didn't K say that it was the 3rd that was more special to her and not M's birthday on 12th. As in, the last day she 'saw her'....perhaps on 3 June this was the last day she saw her, as perhaps her body was then taken elsewhere and perhaps as a handover to the guys with the inflatable, on her way back to UK ??? Or somewhere else??? Perhaps the family visits/beach visits are a safe place where they can all chat amongst themselves without fear of being overheard, etc. A sort of catch up meeting place. Just another theory.

by **tigger** 23.10.11 12:45

From Panalam, Gerry's blogs:

Day 37 - 09/06/2007 - Saturday
DATE GERRY USED
Day 37 - 11/06/2007
Kate and I had a slightly busier day on the media front than expected. We did a short press interview for the Irish Sunday papers, mainly to thank the Irish for their fantastic level of support. We followed that with one for the British Sundays which is likely to be the last one we do for a while. We talked about our pain of not having having Madeleine for such a long time and for our need to grieve, which occurs mainly in private. We also talked about how after Morocco we will have to spend some time reflecting both emotionally, and also how best the campaign can be taken forward. What we want to ensure is that the campaign has a psoitive effect on finding Madeleine.

After this we headed down to Sagres which is the very most southwestern tip of Portugal. There is a very nice beach and we had lunch with the family.

Day 37 is from the 3rd of May, obviously from the 1st of May it will be exactly 40 days.

So from the 1st of May, required observance of the faith:
3rd day, prayers 3/4th May, Church PdL
9th day prayers-? 9th/10th ???
40 days, memorial service- Sagres family and friends, dressed in black. (we need to find photographs of that day)
3 months, visit the grave to say farewells. Huelva trip (1 day late but was planned for the 1st of August?)

by Guest 23.10.11 12:53

Upsy Daisy wrote:In G's blog entry for 27th May there is no mention of him hiring the Scenic, which I believe was rented from this date. He goes on about other activities for the day with the family, after planning a 'family day' the day before (the twins had a haircut this day). He mentioned himself getting stuck into emails etc. The day after on 28th, still no mention of hiring the car but making mention of the two guys Chris and Les arriving with the inflatable billboard. Mmmm....is there any signficance here??

“We used a standard transit van with lots of spare equipment in case of any difficulties in a foreign country, the set up & inflation for the Megasite is just over 1 hour.

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An interesting thought, Upsy Daisy, I wonder what spare equipment they sent with the banner..

by **tigger** 23.10.11 12:54

Molly wrote:
Upsy Daisy wrote:In G's blog entry for 27th May there is no mention of him hiring the Scenic, which I believe was rented from this date. He goes on about other activities for the day with the family, after planning a 'family day' the day before (the twins had a haircut this day). He mentioned himself getting stuck into emails etc. The day after on 28th, still no mention of hiring the car but making mention of the two guys Chris and Les arriving with the inflatable billboard. Mmmm....is there any signficance here??

“We used a standard transit van with lots of spare equipment in case of any difficulties in a foreign country, the set up & inflation for the Megasite is just over 1 hour.

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by Buildersbum 23.10.11 13:09

Upsy Daisy wrote:In G's blog entry for 27th May there is no mention of him hiring the Scenic, which I believe was rented from this date. He goes on about other activities for the day with the family, after planning a 'family day' the day before (the twins had a haircut this day). He mentioned himself getting stuck into emails etc. The day after on 28th, still no mention of hiring the car but making mention of the two guys Chris and Les arriving with the inflatable billboard. Mmmm....is there any signficance here??

There is something that really niggles me, and I mean really niggles me about Chris and Les and the Transport of this billboard, what went back to the UK in that Transit Van??

When our children were small we did loads of French Camping Holidays,with our Caravan over a 20 year period, I can honestly say that we were only ever stopped a couple of times, we've had the drug scanner run under the vehicles a few times, but never had the vehicle searched completely..............This is what niggles me about that Transit Van, imo anything could have been in it, safely transported back to the UK.

by HotlipsHealy 23.10.11 13:10

tigger wrote:Day 37 is from the 3rd of May, obviously from the 1st of May it will be exactly 40 days.

So from the 1st of May, required observance of the faith:
3rd day, prayers 3/4th May, Church PdL
9th day prayers-? 9th/10th ???
40 days, memorial service- Sagres family and friends, dressed in black. (we need to find photographs of that day)
3 months, visit the grave to say farewells. Huelva trip (1 day late but was planned for the 1st of August?)

Very interesting stuff tigger, so maybe K & G really were devout catholics and her mum said they weren't so as to try to deflect attention away from that for the reason you have highlighted above.

There definitely were photo's of all the family dressed in black - Sue and Brian Healy too - which must mean they knew Madeleine was dead if they were attending some kind of service. They are all complicit in this scam, including Kate's own parents who, after all, did nothing to keep the investigation from being shelved as was their right. No, they went along with the shelving of it to protect K & G reputation which did nothing to find the truth about what happened to Maddy.

Stevo/Steve Marsden has these photos because he made a post about it on the 3As. He even pinpointed that the Huelva trip was significant. Can anyone contact him to ask for the photos? Maybe he's even written about this in his book Faked Abduction?

by Upsy Daisy 23.10.11 13:14

I do recall there being some question marks over this whole inflatable thing, set up, timings. Also would they have had equipment on board that would have easily stored a body and would that vehicle have been properly searched on the way back to UK , given its importance in the media, would anyone have dared give it a proper inspection. It just seems too coincidental when I think about it. Tigger, you are right with those numbers as well though, Huelva being a possibility of the 40 day mark. With regard to the 9th/10th if either day was a Friday they held the usual Friday mass did they not? Any family members in PdL would have attended a gathering. So we are looking at two possible leads for body disposal then...either conveniently shipped back to UK undiscovered, by the Inflatable crew or a diversionary trip to Huelva, possibly being met by RM and Co in a rented car to hand over a body for disposal. Do we know if G made a trip back to UK near this time? I know they went to Amsterdam on 5th, wonder which route the inflatable took??? Perhaps a drop off ? They mentioned Amsterdam being particularly special since they spent a year there with Madeleine and had many friends there. Was this not the place where K decided on another round of IVF for the twins? Maybe significant, maybe not. Perhaps she is nearer home as some have theorised....maybe in Amsterdam but perhaps made it all the way back in the inflatable van.

by **tigger** 23.10.11 13:28

I'm just not fond of a scheme of smuggling the body back into the UK. Now that is seriously risky apart from the logistical problems. It also doesn't explain the cadaver odour in the Renault.
I think the topic on the inflatable is fairly clear on the fact that it wasn't a charitable effort at all, an attempt to get more people to give all they got once the publicity said these chaps had done it for nothing. The spirit of the Blitz so to speak. I hate the way the goodness of so many people was manipulated.

by Upsy Daisy 23.10.11 13:30

It just so happens that the 'hoax' letter pertaining to where Madeleine's body was buried, came from someone in Holland, only one week after G was there. Mmmm.....did someone overhear a conversation there? They visited many friends whilst there the previous week. G rubbished this of course (how could he know it was a 'claim;' unless he knew where she was!!??). Was its delivery genuine and totally outwith his control as it went directly to the media and wasn't looked into by the police first hand OR was this one of their famous planted sightings/diversions?? Do we know how they came about knowing that was a definite hoax?? How would they have arrived at this conclusion?

by **tigger** 23.10.11 13:42

Upsy Daisy wrote:It just so happens that the 'hoax' letter pertaining to where Madeleine's body was buried, came from someone in Holland, only one week after G was there. Mmmm.....did someone overhear a conversation there? They visited many friends whilst there the previous week. G rubbished this of course (how could he know it was a 'claim;' unless he knew where she was!!??). Was its delivery genuine and totally outwith his control as it went directly to the media and wasn't looked into by the police first hand OR was this one of their famous planted sightings/diversions?? Do we know how they came about knowing that was a definite hoax?? How would they have arrived at this conclusion?

There must have been thousands of that kind of letter/email. For some reason the press picked this one.

All sorts of loonies come crawling out of the woodwork once a juicy item like this hits the news. According to Clarrie there were still 500 or so psychic sightings to be checked. I remember a film on youtube with this ghastly woman wandering around PdL, saying that here, this very spot, stood a man looking at Maddie on the beach. Here she saw a man following the family etc. etc. All publicity for herself and her fake sightings.
Same with sending letters to the papers, I'd bet my life savings on it that the Telegraaf (which is an out and out tabloid!!!) letter was a hoax. More to the point, a recent case of child abuse in Amsterdam by a male creche assistant, who raped two year olds has received very little publicity. Quite a lot of children of middle class families are linked to this outrage. Now that is 100% true and doesn't get a lot of publicity. Neither does the statement from an official source which said that child abuse affects far more children under the age of four now, because they are unable to express themselves clearly.
Sorry, just thinking about this makes me mad.

by Upsy Daisy 23.10.11 13:43

'm just not fond of a scheme of
smuggling the body back into the UK. Now that is seriously risky apart
from the logistical problems. It also doesn't explain the cadaver odour
in the Renault.
I think the topic on the inflatable is fairly clear
on the fact that it wasn't a charitable effort at all, an attempt to get
more people to give all they got once the publicity said these chaps
had done it for nothing. The spirit of the Blitz so to speak. I hate the
way the goodness of so many people was manipulated.

I agree, it's a very risky attempt to get back to UK. I did also enteretain the fact that G's rich friends who lent them the private aeroplane to see the Pope, may have also provided a vehicle for transporting her. The question of cadaverine in the Renault - the car was rented from 27th May and the inflatable is down in the blog as arriving on 28th! He specifically makes no mention of getting the car on 27th. So either on purpose to not alert to the fact and if the body was being stored either near villa or elsewhere he would have had 24hrs to drive it somewhere, perhaps. They left for Rome the following afternoon (29th). Either the inflatable took the body to a resting place, where they met up again before they departed back to UK. They had trips to Italy then to Madrid and back for the family outing to the beach on 2nd June and Chris and Les and the inflatable van headed back to UK on 3rd June, the route they took I am unsure of. Not sure if this is too far fetched of a plan, but if there was little interference from the authorities the van could have travelled without much of a hiccup.

by Upsy Daisy 23.10.11 13:50

....so in theory G could have met with the Inflatable guys during his Amsterdam visit on 6-7 June, it would have only taken the guys a couple of days to drive there. Perhaps a meet up en route to UK or to deliver her to Amsterdam (perhaps a little far fetched I know)

by **tigger** 23.10.11 13:57

Upsy Daisy wrote:....so in theory G could have met with the Inflatable guys during his Amsterdam visit on 6-7 June, it would have only taken the guys a couple of days to drive there. Perhaps a meet up en route to UK or to deliver her to Amsterdam (perhaps a little far fetched I know)

McCann Spin

The story sounds like Chris and Les drove all the way to Portugal through their own efforts to help the McCanns. It really does sound like they went to extraordinary lengths to help.

But what really happened?

We can reveal on TRUTH For Madeleine that Chris and Les were simply doing their job. The inflatable billboard was not the brainchild of Mr Lennox or Mr Harley and the pair of them didn’t pay for it either.

So how did it come about?

No surprises for guessing but it was engineered by John McCann – Gerry’s brother.

Mr Amaral has already exposed the McCanns for manipulating the politicians and media and here again is a prime example of a story that was presented to the world in a completely different way to the reality of the situation.

Posters Plus Media

Gavin Hollywood, Managing Director of Posters Plus Media informed us of the details of the venture;

“I supported the McCanns with some digital advertising in the UK and was approached by Gerry’s brother John about the possiblity of helping with a high profile campaign at the height of the situation where time & awareness was essential. Within 5 days we had arranged the trip, logistics, printing and arranged staff to travel to Portugal (Chris & Les) with Carol-Anne Thomson our Campaigns Manager co-ordinating the campaign from our office and communicating with various authorities.

“The van, drivers and all equipment left from Posterplus Head Office in Kilmaurs Ayrshire. The trip took 3 full days travelling across the UK into France, Spain and finally Portugal. Various drivers change overs were made over the 3 days along with an overnight in France. Actual travel & campaign specific dates we would need to look back but it was May 07 and the full trip lasted 13 days in total.

“We used a standard transit van with lots of spare equipment in case of any difficulties in a foreign country, the set up & inflation for the Megasite is just over 1 hour. so no refrigeration.

“The billboard, Chris & Les the operators, travel, logistics, permits etc were all paid for and donated by Posterplus Media Group, the large printed poster with the reward details was kindly donated by Tayprint in Dundee. The News of The World was approached to use the copy details only of the reward and no funding or sponsors were involved in the trip, it was a donation & media facility offered by Gavin Hollywood Managing Director of Posterplus Media Group.

“The media cost for this type of campaign in the UK would have been £20,000+”

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Why didn't David Cameron say to the McCanns: "Before we allocate £3.6million of taxpayers money for a whitewash case review, please buy a first class stamp and write to the Portuguese prosecutor to reopen the process that you allowed to be shelved to defend your reputations."

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by Upsy Daisy 23.10.11 14:01

have a read.... connections to Holland. What about if the body was cremated at the animal crematorium and the ashes were transported to Holland? Possible? Really the theories are so multiple! This is the thing about this case..so much info out there, so many plausible theories and so much confusion. Sarky hat tip to GM.... he was right !!!

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by Upsy Daisy 23.10.11 14:05

Aha,...so the instruction did originate from Team McCann! Hmm..not surprising. So perhaps there could be an ounce of truth in their part in this whole charade. Without even knowing, they could have transported 'something' back unwittingly. Or perhaps one was paid and entrusted with the information. Did one of the helpers not commit suicide? Colin Salkhe?

by **tigger** 23.10.11 14:35

Upsy Daisy wrote:Aha,...so the instruction did originate from Team McCann! Hmm..not surprising. So perhaps there could be an ounce of truth in their part in this whole charade. Without even knowing, they could have transported 'something' back unwittingly. Or perhaps one was paid and entrusted with the information. Did one of the helpers not commit suicide? Colin Salkhe?

NO.

(and Colin Salkhe was a pseudo military 'volunteer' after publicity and possibly money. imo, nothing to do with the inflatable team)

by Upsy Daisy 23.10.11 14:44

forgot to note that also, it was the 8th June that Sean developed his taste for sea-bass....is it possible that it was praying on GM's mind that some bodily fluids may still be present in the Scenic, GM did his research to see if anything else has the same properties as cadaverine, came up with sea-bass and developed a story to throw into his blog, conveniently...........(or am I really losing the plot now!?) [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] I am pretty sure this has been covered before.

by Guest 23.10.11 15:42

Upsy Daisy wrote:forgot to note that also, it was the 8th June that Sean developed his taste for sea-bass....is it possible that it was praying on GM's mind that some bodily fluids may still be present in the Scenic, GM did his research to see if anything else has the same properties as cadaverine, came up with sea-bass and developed a story to throw into his blog, conveniently...........(or am I really losing the plot now!?) [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] I am pretty sure this has been covered before.

Hi Upsy,

Was just looking at that myself - maybe we're losing the plot together. 8 June, the sea bass day, there are pictures of Sean wearing the red aeroplane tshirt... this is the same tshirt that the dog reacted to as having cadaver odour - the clothing was collected 2 August. Not sure when the sea bass comment was inserted into the blog - maybe it was put there after the fact as a way of justifying why something would appear on the tshirt. Also the tshirt looks a bit big for him and there is some debate as to whether it was madeleine's tshirt.

Sorry for subjecting everyone to Gerry's legs....
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by Gillyspot 23.10.11 15:48

But wasn't Madeleine (sorry isn't) a pinky girly child?

The T Shirt worn by Sean looks similar in size to ones I bought for my son when he was small (room to grow) so I think it is his TBH.

But as for Gerry's legs - Ugh how very DARE YOU! LOL :puke:

by Upsy Daisy 23.10.11 15:59

ah yes that was my line of thinking...he had to cover the topic 'just in case' and lo and behold we have a cadaverine on that shirt..mmmmm........... I reckon that T-shirt may have been bought as a size-up. I generally don't buy my 21month old clothes that fit her perfectly, usually to the next size up for growing room [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Yes, I just ate my din dins and now feeling a bit nauseus looking at those legs [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by Guest 23.10.11 16:02

Gillyspot wrote:But wasn't Madeleine (sorry isn't) a pinky girly child?

The T Shirt worn by Sean looks similar in size to ones I bought for my son when he was small (room to grow) so I think it is his TBH.

But as for Gerry's legs - Ugh how very DARE YOU! LOL :puke:

yeah think you're right it probably is his shirt. Though the sea bass comment is odd, and can't figure out why it's made. Either coded message as some people think, or put in as a way to justify any cadaver odour that may be found. If it is suspect that something happened around this time in terms of transporting a cadaver.. did he know the tshirt might have come into contact and therefore preempted with a blog entry to justify what might later be found?

yeah - sorry about that... hope you weren't eating.. could have been worse - could have been John McCann.. big grin

by Guest 23.10.11 16:26

This whole period is interesting... the url below tries to match phone pings, gerry's blog, press photos etc to summarise day by day the various activities.

For this period the calendar looks like this:
Wednesday 6 June 2007
Gerry and Kate leave Berlin and arrive in Amsterdam.
... flight from Berlin to Amsterdam delayed due to anonymous phone call from an unidentified man to police saying he knew where Madeleine was and wanting to speak to the McCanns personally. The man reportedly made no further contact. K & G reportedly stayed in the Consulate or with the Ambassador while awaiting further news.
Thursday 7 June
Gerry 'catches up with old friend' attending medical conference in Amsterdam, almost certainly Oldfield.
Kate and Gerry fly back to PDL early evening, then drive to Lagos to attend concert in aid of Madeleine.
(INSERTED TODAY) 8 Jun 07
Gerry's blog "Sean, in particular has acquired a taste for sea-bass"
Bruno press and Daylife press publish photos of Sean wearing red aeroplane t shirt
9 June
- Drive to Sagres.
10 June (Sunday)
- Mobile phone call is tracked between Gerry and O'Brien on this day. Tracking shows the two were possibly 28km apart at the time of the call.
G & K attend mass in the morning.
Late afternoon they drive to airport to catch flight to Casablanca [Clarence Mitchell travels with them on the flight]
Monday 11 June
- De Telegraaf receives the anonymous letter allegedly identifying where the Madeleine's body has been buried. De Telegraaf passes this on immediately to the Amsterdam police.
13 June
- PJ informed regarding letter received by De Telegraaf.
First PJ search is carried out near Arao in the evening. A further search carried out at dawn next day (or possibly day after). On one of the searches a light brown beach towel found and sent for forensic examination.
14 June
- K & G drive to Faro to meet a friend 'helping with the campaign' (The friend was Jon Corner).

The same article suggests that the letter was received by the newspaper on 7 June and the Mccanns were told the same day. If so, could that mean that they were fearful that the location was known and have the cadaver moved to another location....

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by **Nina** 23.10.11 20:28

HotlipsHealy wrote:
tigger wrote:Day 37 is from the 3rd of May, obviously from the 1st of May it will be exactly 40 days.

So from the 1st of May, required observance of the faith:
3rd day, prayers 3/4th May, Church PdL
9th day prayers-? 9th/10th ???
40 days, memorial service- Sagres family and friends, dressed in black. (we need to find photographs of that day)
3 months, visit the grave to say farewells. Huelva trip (1 day late but was planned for the 1st of August?)

Very interesting stuff tigger, so maybe K & G really were devout catholics and her mum said they weren't so as to try to deflect attention away from that for the reason you have highlighted above.

There definitely were photo's of all the family dressed in black - Sue and Brian Healy too - which must mean they knew Madeleine was dead if they were attending some kind of service. They are all complicit in this scam, including Kate's own parents who, after all, did nothing to keep the investigation from being shelved as was their right. No, they went along with the shelving of it to protect K & G reputation which did nothing to find the truth about what happened to Maddy.

Stevo/Steve Marsden has these photos because he made a post about it on the 3As. He even pinpointed that the Huelva trip was significant. Can anyone contact him to ask for the photos? Maybe he's even written about this in his book Faked Abduction?

Hello HotlipsHealy. Re the McCanns being staunch Catholics, well certainly Kate's mum commented that they weren't but maybe in times of need they need their Catholic faith. And certainly weddings/funerals/christenings etc etc they dare not be any other. Come the day of judgement and all that.

by **tigger** 23.10.11 20:40

[quote="Stewie"]This whole period is interesting... the url below tries to match phone pings, gerry's blog, press photos etc to summarise day by day the various activities.

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The same article suggests that the letter was received by the newspaper on 7 June and the Mccanns were told the same day. If so, could that mean that they were fearful that the location was known and have the cadaver moved to another location....quote

I think it more likely that the letter with map to the Telegraaf, the phonecall and so on plus the publicity of the Berlin and Amsterdam visits were useful in diverting attention. Isn't it more likely, the Renault not needed during their absence, that the body was moved to its final resting place in Huelva?
That when they got back the smell in the car was somewhat of a worry and a quick trawl through the internet came up with sea bass?
The mail in the Netherlands is totally reliable and a letter posted on the 6th will arrive the following day.
If the neighbour who saw the doors of the car open every night made a note of the date and if it correlates, that would be neat.
Actually the map with the letter was what caught the attention of the press. You know, if I wanted to divert attention, that would be one of the easiest ways to do it. The magician's trick of misdirection.

by Upsy Daisy 24.10.11 9:47

this is why having Clarrie on board was so essential for them... the master at diversion and deception tactics. One way or another, I smell a rat during that whole period.... way too many coincidencies and loose ends, something has to have gone on during that time. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by **PeterMac** 24.10.11 12:09

tigger wrote:
Day 37 is from the 3rd of May, obviously from the 1st of May it will be exactly 40 days.

So from the 1st of May, required observance of the faith:
3rd day, prayers 3/4th May, Church PdL
9th day prayers-? 9th/10th ???
40 days, memorial service- Sagres family and friends, dressed in black. (we need to find photographs of that day)
3 months, visit the grave to say farewells. Huelva trip (1 day late but was planned for the 1st of August?)

The infamous picture of them emerging from the church is on day 8 from the date of the reported disappearance, so 9 or 10 days from any other happening.