Faith in Op Grange

Looking at it slightly differently, assume the met/pj did find the true culprit(s) that was not one of the Tapas 9, could there ever be a conviction?

Given the Tapas 9 statements with all their contradictions, and the apparent lack of questioning of the Tapas 9 by operation Grange, it would seem it would be very hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt, the guilt of any party. Wouldn't a defense lawyer have a field day creating doubt in the mind of a jury?

Thus it;s hard to have faith in the apparent approach of Grange, as it seemingly could not end up at a conviction.

Yes.. imagine the trial with the Tapas 9 as witnesses.

That'll never happen.

Any abductor would have to be dead.

BlueBag wrote:Yes.. imagine the trial with the Tapas 9 as witnesses.
That'll never happen.
Any abductor would have to be dead.

Look what happened at the trial of TB. They had to admit there was no evidence of abduction
Look what happened at the "trial" of GA. They had to admit they had NOT suffered in all the ways they had claimed.

PeterMac wrote:

BlueBag wrote:Yes.. imagine the trial with the Tapas 9 as witnesses.
That'll never happen.
Any abductor would have to be dead.

Look what happened at the trial of TB. They had to admit there was no evidence of abduction
Look what happened at the "trial" of GA.   They had to admit they had NOT suffered in all the ways they had claimed.

"Look what happened at the trial of TB. They had to admit there was no evidence of abduction"
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Look what happened at the civil case against GA and others

ID - In which documentaries did you participate?
EL (Emma Loach) - corrects that she is actually the documentary maker. One was broadcast in May 2008, Madeleine McCann, one year on (ITV) and the other in May 2009, Madeleine was here (Ch4). In the first one she didn't use the word "abduction" and the McCanns, as arguidos, couldn't speak. The documentary is about the McCann European campaign.

ID - They were broadcast in how many countries in the EU?
EL - doesn't know.

ID - Are they based on the McCann couple's thesis (the abduction)?
EL - answers that in the second documentary an investigator (David Edgar, witness 3) says there are many theories but they investigate it on the basis that it was an abduction.
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Even the McCann's OWN lawyer will not say the 'A' word, 'abduction'! (IN a court room)

She refers to the 'abduction' ONLY as 'the McCann couple's 'THESIS'
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ID - Are they based on the McCann couple's thesis (the abduction)?
EL - answers that in the second documentary an investigator (David Edgar, witness 3) says there are many theories but they investigate it on the basis that it was an abduction.

Dave Edgar ('Grabbit' of 'Grabbit&Leggit. PI's') SAYS there ARE many 'theories'.............but ONLY 'investigates' the ONE 'theory'

Is only 'paid' (by the McCann's/'fund') to 'investigate' the ONE 'theory'?.......IMO!

NEVER did tell 'anyone', say publicly, WHAT those OTHER, MANY, 'theories' WERE, he said, did he?

(Wonder if the 'told' OG about the many 'other', his, theories?)

2) Defence lawyers.

a) TVI lawyers' questions.

TVI - Was the 2009 documentary a reconstruction?
EL - says the main characters didn't take part. Those who did were the private investigators.

TVI - But it was presented as a reconstruction? Didn't the McCanns collaborate?
[Note: The Portuguese word was "reconstitution", and not "reconstruction". The difference is important: a reconstruction is a current practice in Common Law UK ; it's done in front of cameras with actors and the purpose is to jog people's memories. In the Romano Germanic System (Portugal, France, etc.), a "reconstitution" is only done by the police, with the real protagonists, without TV cameras and for internal use.]

EL - says they were interviewed but weren't involved in the film making.
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'Faux pas' Emma?

So that WASN'T (the main characters) GM, MO and JT, i 'saw', taking part, in the 2009 'documentary', 'Madeleine was here', in PDL, Portugal?

"weren't 'involved' in the film making"

So that WASN'T, 'main characters', GM and MO 'filmed/involved' actually IN apartment G5A in the 2009 documentary, 'Madeleine was here'?

I'm off to 'specks savers'!

PeterMac wrote:

BlueBag wrote:Yes.. imagine the trial with the Tapas 9 as witnesses.
That'll never happen.
Any abductor would have to be dead.

Look what happened at the trial of TB. They had to admit there was no evidence of abduction
Look what happened at the "trial" of GA.   They had to admit they had NOT suffered in all the ways they had claimed.

Correct. And yet in both cases they won. Ditto the various libel cases brought in the UK. They appear to be untouchable.

Bishop Brennan wrote:

PeterMac wrote:

BlueBag wrote:Yes.. imagine the trial with the Tapas 9 as witnesses.
That'll never happen.
Any abductor would have to be dead.

Look what happened at the trial of TB. They had to admit there was no evidence of abduction
Look what happened at the "trial" of GA.   They had to admit they had NOT suffered in all the ways they had claimed.

Correct. And yet in both cases they won.  Ditto the various libel cases brought in the UK.  They appear to be untouchable.





 

Both cases also are added to their Karma though, and karma is already giving back.

Imagine you have to always look over your shoulder. You have to have the internet scoured everyday. You are afraid to open the mailbox, afraid to check your email.

You fear the days you cannot control the information that the twins find / hear. Those days will be soon. Middle school / highschool and you cannot control what they hear or read. Imagine everyday you have to fear the moment your kids come home because they might ask the question: "what really happened to Madeleine?", "where did you hide her body?" or just a simple "why didn't you come when we were crying?"

Enjoy your "victory" for as long as it lasts, Kate, Gerry.

At least dr Amaral has a quiet conscience when he goes to sleep.

Burglary,
Police enquiries
slow release of photos - to the extent necessary to show what happened
Appeal for witnesses
SILENCE
SILENCE
SILENCE

Dawn raid,
arrest 7
recover large amount of "things"

Police smiles all round
Next Operation please .. .!

People talk. People change sides. Money talks, Loyalties change over time

lj wrote:
You fear the days you cannot control the information that the twins find / hear. Those days will be soon. Middle school / highschool and you cannot control what they hear or read. Imagine everyday you have to fear the moment your kids come home because they might ask the question: "what really happened to Madeleine?", "where did you hide her body?" or just a simple "why didn't you come when we were crying?"

How long before the playground "Hide and Seek" is renamed "McCann"

Doing a McCann is already in the Urban dictionary


On a serious note, what did you think when you worked out there was no Father Christmas, and realised that your parents had lied to you ?
You were perhaps 5 years old.

What would a 10 or 12 or 14 year old think when s/he realises that her/his parents had lied,
not only to her/him, but there, proven in writing, to the police officers who had tried their best from the start,
and at various other times to various other people, including judges

I still cannot see the point in all the chasing around of suspects, would be burglars blah blah. 

If SY do not re-interview the Tapas group (ALL of them) and get a clear cut timeline from them for all days/nights, what exactly is the point of it all?

PeterMac wrote:

lj wrote:
You fear the days you cannot control the information that the twins find / hear. Those days will be soon. Middle school / highschool and you cannot control what they hear or read. Imagine everyday you have to fear the moment your kids come home because they might ask the question: "what really happened to Madeleine?", "where did you hide her body?" or just a simple "why didn't you come when we were crying?"

How long before the playground "Hide and Seek" is renamed "McCann"

Doing a McCann is already in the Urban dictionary


On a serious note, what did you think when you worked out there was no Father Christmas, and realised that your parents had lied to you ?  
You were perhaps 5 years old.

What would a 10 or 12 or 14 year old think when s/he realises that her/his parents had lied,
not only to her/him, but there, proven in writing, to the police officers who had tried their best from the start,
and at various other times to various other people, including judges

It`s quite likely that their children will be a chip off the proverbial block, having been indoctrinated totally. It could be they are well into their 20s or 30s or even older before they begin to think "hang on a minute".