Kate upset with Gerry?

Kate had mentioned sleeping in the children's room one night because she was upset with Gerry... did anyone ever ask her why? Must have been something odd to mention but no explanation. I just found it very odd for Kate to say that unless she wanted ppl to think she was with the children

Or another theory of mine is could that be the night Maddy was"let down" ...also does anyone remember the night she says she slept by children?

Thanks for any info!!

Afaik she said the reason for this was because of gerrys snoring.
I have also read that it was because she was jealous of the quizmaster that gerry was supposedly flirting with on the 1st.

...because she was upset with Gerry... did anyone ever ask her why?

Er, dunno!

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Najova Chekaya is the aerobics teacher running the quiz. She was invited over to the McCann table by Mr McCann himself when the game ended at 9.30. She stayed for half an hour. She later claimed to friends that nobody left the table. Najova Chekaya lives in Flitwick, Bedford.

Kate would have not been 'pleased' with his 'invite'..............wouldn't she?

According to her book, Kate only slept that night, separated from Gerry. Never another time, during their marriage.
If it is true, I wonder why Gerry didn't ask her where  was she sleeping from Wednesday night to Thursday morning because her abcense was an exception in years and years of wonderful marriage.

No I don't think she would... Hmmm.. In the states here I think in this situation that would be a question police officers would ask if a wife says she slept away due to a domestic quarrel... Anger causes many people to snap in the heat of an argument it would be easy for a small child to get hurt if two adults were fighting and say it got physical. That would be a horrible tragedy but it does happen. I wonder if the neighbors ever heard arguing or what not going on in the apartment.. If Mrs. Fenn heard crying I'm sure she may have heard more..

Wow Marconi if that's true then I'm certain there was more reason than a simple disagreement wouldn't you think?

And no jeanmonroe I don't think she would be pleased at all..

Bellisa the first woudnt that be around the time Mr's. Fenn heard the crying? I forgot the exact date will look but it had to be more than snoring or she would have slept apart more often...

jeanmonroe wrote:...because she was upset with Gerry... did anyone ever ask her why?

Er, dunno!

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Kate would have not been 'pleased' with his 'invite'..............wouldn't she?

Najova may have merely been explaining to Gerry that she was just as flat chested as his wife before she had the implants.


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Possibly. A guy like Kate could be easily offended by that.

kimHager wrote:Kate had mentioned sleeping in the children's room one night because she was upset with Gerry... did anyone ever ask her why?  Must have been something odd to mention but no explanation. I just found it very odd for Kate to say that unless she wanted ppl to think she was with the children

Or another theory of mine is could that be the night Maddy was"let down" ...also does anyone remember the night she says she slept by children?

Thanks for any info!!

Kate and Gerry at their lying best.

Straight from the horse's mouth:-

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13:00 on the recording will give you the answer you are looking for.

IMO, Madeleine was dead in the wardrobe in parents' bedroom and that's why Kate didn't sleep there that night.

Kate stated the reason she slept in that room was because Gerry had left the bar and gone to the apartment and to bed without Kate IIRC. He had no knowledge, allegedly, of her sleeping in the children's room. Sloping off without a goodbye, or anything, suggests well and truly tanked up IMO. And if so, hugely irresponsible when there are 3 babies to look after.

It's an interesting interview, the dysfunctional parents have polished their interview lie technique up considerably... "Read the book" says McCann when asked how they felt about people thinking they were involved in their childs disappearance. "Read the book" indeed, reminds me of one of his other glib and equally diversionary statements, "Ask the dogs Sandra" Gerry you're a wee Glasgow ned with no breeding or moral standards whatsoever.

The Rooster wrote:It's an interesting interview, the dysfunctional parents have polished their interview lie technique up considerably... "Read the book" says McCann when asked how they felt about people thinking they were involved in their childs disappearance. "Read the book" indeed, reminds me of one of his other glib and equally diversionary statements, "Ask the dogs Sandra" Gerry you're a wee Glasgow ned with no breeding or moral standards whatsoever.

rooster that,s very disrespectfull to glasgow neds!none would stoop  as low as this snake.

I have no doubt that Kate was upset with Gerry on that holiday, and the video of the holiday group on the bus reveals much. Gerry, as a typical macho male, sits apart from his wife and children, and says 'f**k off, I'm not here to enjoy myself'. This short clip alone tells us that this is not a 'hands on' father looking forward to a holiday with his family.

Contrary to popular belief, having children does not cement a relationship, in fact, it presents the most challenging and stressful period of married life, particularly if the slog of looking after the toddlers is one sided. I used to do voluntary work for Womens Aid and I was shocked at the number of relationships that broke down following the birth of children and indeed the escalation of violence. Some men believe that the mother of their children becomes a 'possession' - they take ownership, they must protect the female and her offspring and that protection gives them the right to rule their family as they wish.

In the case of Gerry and Kate, they went into the marriage as equals. Both qualified doctors with promising careers ahead of them. As much as Kate presents herself as a typical 'subjugated wife', as a narcissist and a equal to the other members of their elite group, she would have felt resentful at having to care for the children, while the others, including her husband, enjoyed adult time. In my opinion, Kate believes looking after children is beneath her, a waste of her talents, and a chore she hands to others at every opportunity. I read a small section of her book last night, and her incandescent rage at Warners for asking them to stop taking the twins to the creche, is completely over the top and has little to do with keeping the twins in a routine. The McCann family (courtesy of Warners) had a constant stream of helpers from the UK, why was childcare such a big issue?

Kate needed a break from the kids on that holiday, she couldn't cope with them. I am not blaming her for that, when I look back on my own days as a young mother, bliss for me was long soak in the bath listening to Madam Butterfly, whilst husband took over jumping to little tyrant's every screeching demand. Young kids are adorable, but exhausting, sometimes the sweetest words any young parent can hear is 'do you want us to look after the kids for the day'.

I just don't buy the idea of Kate's perfect family. Three toddlers who sit quietly reading while she has a shower? In what universe? Toddlers are chaotic! According to Jerry Seinfeld, having a two year old is like leaving the lid off the blender, I totally agree. Kate and Gerry had reached the point where the kids outnumbered them, they were dealing with 3 toddlers.

Kate is, by nature, bitter and resentful - we can see that on almost every page of her book. She may have watched the other couples with envy as they enjoyed family time with their kids, she even mentions seeing the others on the beach as she takes a solo run. On the day Madeleine disappeared, Gerry had 3 one hour tennis lessons - his needs (ego) took precedence over spending time with his wife and family, and I believe Kate resented that. Gerry is not a new man she opines.

For her, it is all about keeping up appearances, she wants the world to know just how deeply in love she and Gerry are. In public she hangs onto him, almost embarrassingly in the way her hand is positioned so close to his crotch, it is almost as if she is baring her teeth at other females 'stay away, he's mine'. If she's reading, I would like to reassure her on this point, she has nothing to fear there.

In my opinion, that fateful holiday was a perfect storm. Holidays, like the birth of children and Christmas, can be times of extreme stress. Being together 24/7 can bring to the surface simmering arguments and resentments, who has ever heard the words 'well I'm going to enjoy it, even if your not'. For Kate and Gerry, it was their holiday too, and with these unwieldy people, there is little room for compromise. I believe things were far from harmonious in 5A, and I have yet to see a believable explanation for the severe bruising on Kate's wrists and forearms the following day.

I've said it before and I say it again:

The night she slept away from him, she robbed him of any conceivable aliby

We're floating OT but anyone who thinks that with 1,2 or 3 children that age you have energy left for swinging, must have some real angels as child.

Good post, Cristobel, and a good summing up of Kate's situation on that holiday.

And I agree with you about the bruises. I remember looking at them and thinking, someone's restrained her, grabbed her wrists to prevent her from doing something. And I remember looking at a photo of the two of them sitting on a couch the next day and seeing a large bruise on her neck or upper arm, and Gerry holding his arm around Kate in such a way that it bared that particular bruise. It was almost as if he wanted the world to see it. (IMO)

Portia wrote:I've said it before and I say it again:

The night she slept away from him, she robbed him of any conceivable aliby

Portia, I've not read your assertion before, and I too believe there is something very suspicious about that night's separation.  I had not considered it in terms of no alibi for Gerry.  A puzzle is why Kate talked publicly about them not sleeping together on 2nd May.

Ladyinred wrote:

Portia wrote:I've said it before and I say it again:

The night she slept away from him, she robbed him of any conceivable aliby

Portia, I've not read your assertion before, and I too believe there is something very suspicious about that night's separation.  I had not considered it in terms of no alibi for Gerry.  A puzzle is why Kate talked publicly about them not sleeping together on 2nd May.

Hello LiR,

Not such a puzzle: a lot of retrofitting went on: pasting seemingly innocent explanations on occurences which had already been noted, or which they could foresee were going to be noted anyway


A fine example of which is the fairytale about: "why didn't you come when Sean & I (we, I, any of the above) were crying", after they had learned from the public PJ files that mrs Fenn had reported a child crying "Daddy (Maddy) Daddy" for over an hour.

So the childs' crying 'daddy/maddy' had to be explained away, and this was done so daft they didn't even manage to get their facts right

Portia wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:

Portia wrote:I've said it before and I say it again:

The night she slept away from him, she robbed him of any conceivable aliby

Portia, I've not read your assertion before, and I too believe there is something very suspicious about that night's separation.  I had not considered it in terms of no alibi for Gerry.  A puzzle is why Kate talked publicly about them not sleeping together on 2nd May.

Hello LiR,

Not such a puzzle: a lot of retrofitting went on: pasting seemingly innocent explanations on occurences which had already been noted, or which they could foresee were going to be noted anyway


A fine example of which is the fairytale about: "why didn't you come when Sean & I (we, I, any of the above) were crying", after they had learned from the public PJ files that mrs Fenn had reported a child crying "Daddy (Maddy) Daddy" for over an hour.

So the childs' crying 'daddy/maddy' had to be explained away, and this was done so daft they didn't even manage to get their facts right

Thanks, Portia.  The puzzle for me is why mention sleeping apart when no-one else would be aware of this never-happened-before event

Ladyinred wrote:

Thanks, Portia.  The puzzle for me is why mention sleeping apart when no-one else would be aware of this never-happened-before event

The cleaners came in and made the bed ?

sami wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:

Thanks, Portia.  The puzzle for me is why mention sleeping apart when no-one else would be aware of this never-happened-before event

The cleaners came in and made the bed ?

Yes the cleaner commented on the bed being rumpled on the Wednesday morning clean, yet on the PJ photographs taken the night/early morning of the 3rd/4th, the Thursday night/early Friday morning.
Now the parents didn't sleep in any bed on the night of the 3rd, so was it slept in again on the Wednesday night after having being made on the Wednesday morning by the cleaner.
If this was the first sleep apart in their marriage, it must have been something that really got to Kate for it to have happened, surely not just some slight lack of attention?

Nina wrote:

sami wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:

Thanks, Portia.  The puzzle for me is why mention sleeping apart when no-one else would be aware of this never-happened-before event

The cleaners came in and made the bed ?

Yes the cleaner commented on the bed being rumpled on the Wednesday morning clean, yet on the PJ photographs taken the night/early morning of the 3rd/4th, the Thursday night/early Friday morning.
Now the parents didn't sleep in any bed on the night of the 3rd, so was it slept in again on the Wednesday night after having being made on the Wednesday morning by the cleaner.
If this was the first sleep apart in their marriage, it must have been something that really got to Kate for it to have happened, surely not just some slight lack of attention?

Yes, I agree, Nina, and I wonder if Madeleine was in the parents' bedroom?

Ladyinred wrote:

Nina wrote:

sami wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:

Thanks, Portia.  The puzzle for me is why mention sleeping apart when no-one else would be aware of this never-happened-before event

The cleaners came in and made the bed ?

Yes the cleaner commented on the bed being rumpled on the Wednesday morning clean, yet on the PJ photographs taken the night/early morning of the 3rd/4th, the Thursday night/early Friday morning.
Now the parents didn't sleep in any bed on the night of the 3rd, so was it slept in again on the Wednesday night after having being made on the Wednesday morning by the cleaner.
If this was the first sleep apart in their marriage, it must have been something that really got to Kate for it to have happened, surely not just some slight lack of attention?

Yes, I agree, Nina, and I wonder if Madeleine was in the parents' bedroom?

The pillow arrangements on the parents in the crime scene photos have always struck me.  They appear as if they are arranged to stop a small child rolling.  They are not situated in such a way as an adult would leave them, having slept there Wednesday night.

The cleaners did not come Thursday, Kate was so obsessed with cleaning, bathing etc, its odd she did not make the bed on Thursday morning, even quickly arrange the pillows and pull the covers up.  Madeleine's bed was near perfect and the other single bed un-used.  Yet, the parents was in disarray.

Portia wrote:I've said it before and I say it again:

The night she slept away from him, she robbed him of any conceivable aliby

Agreed, maybe that was the plan? If he got caught hiding the body or doing anything illegal then she could claim (because she was in the kids bedroom all night) that she didn't know what he was up to. If he goes to prison that still leaves her to raise the twins.