Re: "Digging" with a helicopter (continued from 'digging at resort')

by Guest 10.05.14 17:57

Tony Bennett wrote:

02-Processos Volume II pages 461 to 462

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02-Processos Volume II PJ Record 8th May 2007-

At about 20.00 the police received a phone call from a number that could not be identified, from a person with a female voice speaking in correct Portuguese, who did not want to be identified for reasons of safety.

She refers to an individual who abducted Madeleine, who knows how to keep quiet and is quite close to the police.

When asked who she was referring to she said it was an individual who resides in Praia da Luz, who has an English mother, who speaks this language very well, who was near the area since the disappearance of the little girl, supposedly with the intention of helping the investigation.

She said this man was called Robert and that he used to consult Internet chats of a pretty heavy sexual nature.

He would also use Internet for contacts with different acquaintances he had in other countries, especially in the UK.

She said most of the mails he sent were encrypted due to the monitoring of the kind of content they possessed.

This is why she wanted to alert the authorities about the characteristics of this man, who, in her opinion, could have sexual motives and opportunity, knowing the area perfectly for committing or collaborating in this type of crime.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

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My colour and underlining. Has this woman ever been identified? Ready to testify? Or just another warmonger for whatever reason? I don't buy such things easily ...

by margaret 10.05.14 18:05

cockerspaniel wrote:
kevmack wrote:
plebgate wrote:Who would burn out a car to get someone to Talk to the Authorities?
Surely just burning out the car would be enough, no need for cryptic messages, which apparently mean the opposite of what they say
it means "talk". and we will get you, the car burnt out is a warning as to what we can and will do! it is a threat that means you malinka are a nobody and we can torch your car and get away with it, and if we want to we can get you, and get away with it as well. it does not mean...please go and talk to the authorities, or we will get you, otherwise i am sure he would of been straight down to the nearest cop shop and sung like a canary about whatever it is he knows, rather than face the prospect of propping up the nearest flyover.

Really? I always took it to mean someone was telling him to confess what he knew.

Damn those messages warning you to do the opposite of what they're telling you!

by Guest 10.05.14 20:08

Unlocking. At some point the Murat discussions will be moved on to the Murat thread that tigger has bumped up. Any further discussion on Murat there please. Now, no more disruption on this thread or action will be taken against the offender. Please stick to this interesting topic.....thank you.

by Guest 10.05.14 20:45

Have moved the disruptive posts from this thread. There is now a topic in the members lounge which has been split from this one.

by **Tony Bennett** 10.05.14 21:01

Châtelaine wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:At about 20.00 the police received a phone call from a number that could not be identified, from a person with a female voice speaking in correct Portuguese, who did not want to be identified for reasons of safety.

She refers to an individual who abducted Madeleine, who knows how to keep quiet and is quite close to the police.

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My colour and underlining. Has this woman ever been identified? Ready to testify? Or just another warmonger for whatever reason? I don't buy such things easily...

Points:

1. As you well know, in a great many serious criminal cases, there are potential and valuable witnesses who are for very good reasons too frightened to say anything or, if they are, will only do anonymously.

2. A powerful indicator that this woman was telling the truth is the very detailed statement of family friend Carlos Costa (which i know you've seen and read), which corrobrated much of her story.

3. Precisely as this woman revealed, Murat DID have encrypted material on his computer.

4. He lamely said he couldn't explain how it got there. (Believe that if you will!).

FOUR very good reasons, then, for believing that she was sincere, and teling the truth

by Guest 10.05.14 21:05

Okay, that's enough on Murat on this topic, there are two on him at the moment. One in Members Lounge and one in Debate section, discuss there please.

by russiandoll 10.05.14 22:09

Not sure where to post, please move to wherever it is best placed, but this is a new low for the UK tabloid press... made to look like a match ticket, complete with perforated tear-off. Disrespect to this child that I am sure the McCann believers and non-believers will surely find disgusting.

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by russiandoll 10.05.14 22:37

by TheTruthWillOut 10.05.14 22:42

russiandoll wrote:

The great Daily Star getting the PJ to talk to them in a on-going investigation!? Ha! And if by some miracle it is true, then SY have some 'splaining to do to the UK tax payer.

by nglfi 10.05.14 22:43

aiyoyo wrote:
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/exclusivo-cm/judiciaria-acredita-que-maddie-foi-raptada-por-estrangeiro

Judiciary believed Maddie was kidnapped by Foreigner !

Changed of direction ?

I'm really not sure what to make of this. On the one hand, the article ses to state that the PJ now believe Maddie was killed by a foreigner - yes. That the person subsequently left Portugal - yes. But it also mentions abduction and the idea that Maddie's body is not in the country anymore. Really don't know what to make of it.

by **Tony Bennett** 10.05.14 22:58

russiandoll wrote:

And the Portuguese are IMO dead right.

The two good things to come out of this are that:

(a) any lingering doubt that the PJ and Operation Grange have any kind of relationship - other than one little short of hatred towards each other - has surely now been removed or good, and

(b) Scotland Yard, to anyone one reasonably well-informed on the case, have shown themselves to be the dishonest, pretentious, time-and-money wasting fools and parasites that they have been ever since the red-headed wizardress forced this review/investigation on to a reluctant Prime Minister.

Credit however to the Portuguese Police who made sure that Redwood and his men paid for this helicopter farce - and have royally humiliated the once-great and mighty Scotland Yard.

How can this monumental farce be allowed to continue for one hour longer?

Why are the MPs, the Metropolitan Police Authority, honest senior officers in the force (if we have any left, that is) and other public figures not demanding answers and a full public enquiry into the utter waste of public money on an investigation that is clearly heading nowhere at all.

In fact, why are we on this forum just typing way here all the time - and not breaking off to take up these concerns directly with all the powers-that-be?

Is it not time for each one of us to consider and discuss what action we can take to halt this expensive, pointless circus?

P.S. Prediction: THERE WILL BE NO DIG

by ChippyM 10.05.14 23:01

nglfi wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/exclusivo-cm/judiciaria-acredita-que-maddie-foi-raptada-por-estrangeiro

Judiciary believed Maddie was kidnapped by Foreigner !

Changed of direction ?
I'm really not sure what to make of this. On the one hand, the article ses to state that the PJ now believe Maddie was killed by a foreigner - yes. That the person subsequently left Portugal - yes. But it also mentions abduction and the idea that Maddie's body is not in the country anymore. Really don't know what to make of it.

Tapas people would still count as foreign...hopefully!

ETA what source has this come from if the PJ Don't talk about investigations?

by plebgate 10.05.14 23:02

Agree with your first post RD, disrespect without doubt I think. What is the point of it? I thought Football news belonged on the back pages?

by russiandoll 10.05.14 23:05

from the front page

Police plans to dig to solve the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are USELESS, local cops say.

Police officers believe Maddy, whose 11th birthday is tomorrow, fell victim to a foreigner who fled the country.

And they are baffled by the inquiry by Scotland Yard.

Does this mean that the PJ do not believe that there is a body in Portugal?

If they believe she died at the hands of a non-Portuguese, or died accidentally and her body disposed of by the same, why are they so sure that she is not buried near PdL?

This must mean that they have evidence that she was moved elsewhere?

I am a bit confused by the above and also not convinced that the PJ have spoken to a British tabloid...it is the PJ who have made a big noise about no noise in the UK media.

by plebgate 10.05.14 23:12

I may be wrong, but I thought it was a judge who said that a dig could go ahead. Why would a judge give permission if the PJ believe it to be all nonsense?

by Guest 10.05.14 23:15

McMitchell spin (tosh) more likely.

Never in a million years would the PJ talk to the Daily Star.

I certainly don't think the PJ believe the below.

Police officers believe Maddy, whose 11th birthday is tomorrow, fell victim to a foreigner who fled the country.

Team McCann want people to think digging is a waste of time.

Team McCann are bricking it in case something is found from the digging.

IMO

by russiandoll 10.05.14 23:19

as in this photo I posted after the German CW :

"Digging" with a helicopter (continued from 'digging at resort') - Page 9 Redwoo16

by Guest 10.05.14 23:22

russiandoll wrote:as in this photo I posted after the German CW :

Haha - Yep.

by Guest 10.05.14 23:32

Andrew77R wrote:

I certainly don't think the PJ believe the below.

Police officers believe Maddy, whose 11th birthday is tomorrow, fell victim to a foreigner who fled the country.

IMO

On the contrary, I hope that's exactly what the Portuguese believe and are well on the road to proving as much!

by ChippyM 10.05.14 23:32

Andrew77R wrote:McMitchell spin (tosh) more likely.

Never in a million years would the PJ talk to the Daily Star.

I certainly don't think the PJ believe the below.

Police officers believe Maddy, whose 11th birthday is tomorrow, fell victim to a foreigner who fled the country.

Team McCann want people to think digging is a waste of time.

Team McCann are bricking it in case something is found from the digging.

IMO

Team McCann are also foreigners that fled the country!

by canada12 10.05.14 23:41

I don't think Madeleine's final resting place is a diggable plot of ground within the general area of PDL.

Although I do think that she was placed in at least one or two places nearby temporarily. And may have been moved multiple times, to keep ahead of police, dogs, etc.

Agree with those who have pointed out that the McCanns (as well as their friends) are all foreigners who fled the country.

by Markus 2 10.05.14 23:43

Resort dig bid fury

From DANIEL SANDERSON in Faro, Portugal
Saturday, May 10, 2014

PLANS by cops hunting for Madeleine McCann to excavate four sites in Praia da Luz at the height of tourist season have sparked anger.

Local council leader Victor Mata said residents in the Portuguese resort are "fed up" with the seven-year-probe.

He said: "It's bad for tourism. It beggars belief, preparing to open up holes a month before summer."

Another local said he believed families with young children were staying away from the resort, adding: "The economic crisis affected tourism, but it's my view the Madeleine McCann case has as well."

It came as Met detectives last night studied aerial photos of the search sites as they wait for Portuguese police chiefs to tell them if they can be involved in the digs. The locations include wasteland next to the Ocean Club where Madeleine vanished aged three in 2007 and hillside land where mum Kate dreamt her daughter was.

Almeida Rodrigues, director of the Policia Judiciaria, will rule on whether the Met can be present and on whether to use Brit sniffer dogs and ground-penetrating radar.

He is expected to make up his mind over the weekend.

Although there has been no suggestion that hyperspectral imaging is being used, the following article highlights how this can be very useful in locating remains that have laid buried for longer than 5 years:

Mentions four areas here, hyperspectral imaging wonder if it is being used and they are studying it . Why should they not be allowed in these digs

by Guest 10.05.14 23:47

Dee Coy wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:

I certainly don't think the PJ believe the below.

Police officers believe Maddy, whose 11th birthday is tomorrow, fell victim to a foreigner who fled the country.

IMO
On the contrary, I hope that's exactly what the Portuguese believe and are well on the road to proving as much!

Ahh - yes, see what you mean.

Didn't read it like that at first glance.

Apologies.

by Liz Eagles 10.05.14 23:54

I think it's a big mistake to think that all things Portuguese = saintly and all things British = dodgy with regards to Madeleine.

The Portuguese government allowed political interference from the UK from the off.

Spudgun's blog has merit and I'd like to add that the Portuguese government will have its own agenda and things it wants swept under the carpet just as the UK government does.

To my mind this has never been about justice for Madeleine.

Many people with their own agendas have subsequently jumped on the financial gravy train.

There was something to be covered up in both Portugal and UK that needed to be dealt with imo which is why this whole pantomime has manifested itself.

There's nothing like rich and powerful people who have something seedy they'd rather not have poked at to cause such a complete travesty.

It's not about which flag you fly or which scarf you wear. It's not about that at all. It's about individuals who have something to hide. It's not about diplomatic relations either. This isn't some kind of war between Portugal and UK. It's about making this thing go away with a mutually satisfactory outcome.

Why did the McCanns receive so much unprecedented assistance in the first place?

There are no saints in this. There's a little girl whose demise has been exploited.

Just my opinion.

by ChippyM 10.05.14 23:54

Markus 2Although there has been no suggestion that hyperspectral imaging is being used, the following article highlights how this can be very useful in locating remains that have laid buried for longer than 5 years: wrote:
Mentions four areas here, hyperspectral imaging wonder if it is being used and they are studying it . Why should they not be allowed in these digs

Hyperspectral imaging is interesting and a recent development, aparentley it can detect individual burial sites.

If they used it I imagine it would negate the need to do loads of digging all over the area.