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good observing... but I cant tellAtomic Peanut wrote:I am interested in the location of the playhouse in this photo
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Is it the one on the lawn in the playground pic?
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The photo above shows that there was such a playhouse on the lawn at an unspecified point in history, but the one in the playground photo is different - it doesn't have a pointed roof. So it's unlikely the picture of M looking out of the playhouse was taken on the same day as the playground photo. (the general photo above shows the playhouse turned through 90 degrees compared with the M looking out of the playhouse pic). The question is - how much time elapsed between the playhouse and playground photos? Enough time to get a new playhouse in, obviously
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I can explain that now with this photo taken in June 2007:
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It shows both playhouses on the lawn, and I would assume they are light enough to move around daily
Interestingly, though, in this picture all the shadows are going in the same direction (corresponding to late morning I would say) whereas in the playground photo half are going one way and the other half in another direction altogether
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It shows both playhouses on the lawn, and I would assume they are light enough to move around daily
Interestingly, though, in this picture all the shadows are going in the same direction (corresponding to late morning I would say) whereas in the playground photo half are going one way and the other half in another direction altogether
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Photos said not to look like the child they are supposed to be of...
I have thousands of photos of my children when young and my grandchildren too. Sometimes they definitely do NOT look the child they definitely are of IYSWIM (badly expressed). Sometimes, by chance, you catch a child with an odd expression, or from an unusual angle and the photo could be of a different child. I know nothing about photo-shopping, but I thought I'd put that comment in... I am to some extent being devil's advocate, but there is no certainty about photos unless you have proveable technical details of what has been done, or measurements etc rather than opinion.
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OK comparedna, I agree that people can look different in photos taken just minutes apart, so that will always be open to debate. However, I can illustrate the problem with the playground photo with this recent publicity photograph of OC. It shows perfectly the problem with the shadows in the playground pic
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In this general view of OC, taken in mid-afternoon, the scraggly tree with no leaves next to the tapas bar is casting its shadow against the wall of the bar and parallel to the northern fence of the tennis courts, just as it is in the playground pic (below). So on that basis the two photos would appear to have been taken at a similar time of day
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But look at the shadows of the people
In the first photo, they are parallel to the little path that leads from the small pool to the big pool
However, in the playground photo, the people are casting shadows that are nearly parallel to the wide path that runs along the western end of the big pool
It's a discrepancy of about 45 degrees (3 hours)
That's why the playground photo doesn't make sense
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In this general view of OC, taken in mid-afternoon, the scraggly tree with no leaves next to the tapas bar is casting its shadow against the wall of the bar and parallel to the northern fence of the tennis courts, just as it is in the playground pic (below). So on that basis the two photos would appear to have been taken at a similar time of day
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But look at the shadows of the people
In the first photo, they are parallel to the little path that leads from the small pool to the big pool
However, in the playground photo, the people are casting shadows that are nearly parallel to the wide path that runs along the western end of the big pool
It's a discrepancy of about 45 degrees (3 hours)
That's why the playground photo doesn't make sense
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Yes indeed. It's the technical details that make your case. It is not whether a child looks right for how that child is thought to look. None of us ever met Madeleine. Identifiction evidence alone is always suspect even if the person knows the child quite a bit.
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Is that Gerry and Kate striding out by the side of the pool?Atomic Peanut wrote:I can explain that now with this photo taken in June 2007:
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It shows both playhouses on the lawn, and I would assume they are light enough to move around daily
Interestingly, though, in this picture all the shadows are going in the same direction (corresponding to late morning I would say) whereas in the playground photo half are going one way and the other half in another direction altogether
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It does look like Gerry
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In the playground pic, the family on the left are the key
They were obviously there at some time on some day (6-7pm I would guess from the shadows) and were later traced following an appeal
They wouldn't have been able to remember the scene on the right hand side of the photo, because it never happened like that, at least not on the same day at the same time
But maybe they thought they remembered it?
They were obviously there at some time on some day (6-7pm I would guess from the shadows) and were later traced following an appeal
They wouldn't have been able to remember the scene on the right hand side of the photo, because it never happened like that, at least not on the same day at the same time
But maybe they thought they remembered it?
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Crumbs. Never given much credence to the 'wig' suggestions (although I do believe there's a strong possibility Madeleine was suffering from a (degenerative?) illness, but that photo looks very much as if a wig of dense blonde hair has slipped backwards to reveal new growth falling forward with that gingery wispy tinge you see on very young babies with their first hairgrowth.
She looks very young too. More a nearly three-year-old than nearly four.
That's a completely impossible stance, imo. I think it's another of those bizzare 'cut and past' jobs. Why release such heavily cropped photos? So you cannot see any context for the photo?
It's a terrible photo, absolutely terrible. Almost as bad as the 'make-up' one.
There really is a Joker in the pack, isn't there?
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Shhh wrote:You'd be surprised who would & the lengths some colleagues go to to "grass" on you for speaking about things/passing judgement/ect, people you think are friends. From personal experience.whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:I don't know what size company Mark Warner is, but have you got any idea how many people that would involve? How many people would need to be told to shut up? On threat of what?
What about new friends? Do Mark Warner, or the Dark Powers That Be keep track of all their employee's personal relationships, so that they can tell new friends to shut up?
Do the DPTB turn up on the door-step of some employee's 81 year old mother, demanding that they stay quiet OR ELSE?
I'm sorry for being blunt, but this really does sound like paranoia to me.
Interesting comments from WLBTS in the light of Brenda's death.
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whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:Andrew77R wrote:
Will try and not turn into a paranoid wreck. Best go as i think someone is watching me.
Good example of tactics used by certain types of internet user!
Neat.
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Atomic Peanut wrote:OK comparedna, I agree that people can look different in photos taken just minutes apart, so that will always be open to debate. However, I can illustrate the problem with the playground photo with this recent publicity photograph of OC. It shows perfectly the problem with the shadows in the playground pic
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In this general view of OC, taken in mid-afternoon, the scraggly tree with no leaves next to the tapas bar is casting its shadow against the wall of the bar and parallel to the northern fence of the tennis courts, just as it is in the playground pic (below). So on that basis the two photos would appear to have been taken at a similar time of day
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But look at the shadows of the people
In the first photo, they are parallel to the little path that leads from the small pool to the big pool
However, in the playground photo, the people are casting shadows that are nearly parallel to the wide path that runs along the western end of the big pool
It's a discrepancy of about 45 degrees (3 hours)
That's why the playground photo doesn't make sense
I know that the man facing the photographer has been identified as a fellow guest - Raj Balu I think his name is - but I wonder who the other people in the photo are? I would imagine they have some significance.
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They are the Boyd family, j.rob - details here: Boyd family
It's worth reading because it gives one of the few first-hand independent witness accounts of someone who saw M in PdL
The media release stated that the playground photo was taken at 5pm on 2nd May
But the Boyd family can't have seen what's on the right hand side of the playground picture as they walked past, because the shadows suggest that part of the photo happened about 3 hours earlier (or maybe on another day at that time, or maybe not at all)
Mrs Boyd says in the article that M was wearing a pink top and a blue skirt on 2nd May but the playground photo "shows" her in pink trousers
She may have meant 3rd May instead, but M wasn't wearing a blue skirt that day either
It's worth reading because it gives one of the few first-hand independent witness accounts of someone who saw M in PdL
The media release stated that the playground photo was taken at 5pm on 2nd May
But the Boyd family can't have seen what's on the right hand side of the playground picture as they walked past, because the shadows suggest that part of the photo happened about 3 hours earlier (or maybe on another day at that time, or maybe not at all)
Mrs Boyd says in the article that M was wearing a pink top and a blue skirt on 2nd May but the playground photo "shows" her in pink trousers
She may have meant 3rd May instead, but M wasn't wearing a blue skirt that day either
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rainbow-fairy wrote:Yep, this one, the 'ice cream' photo and the 'laying next to the skirting board' photo all from the same vid. Haven't seen it so unsure whether they are true 'stills' or photos used in the film?
Poe, you could well be right there!
Well if it is a still from an actual video recording then that's even weirder and sicker than a photo.
Jon Corner is videoing MBM dolled up in make up, making her tilt her head up, pose and look directly into the camera that is being pushed into her face.
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How come this post by guest above (copied and pasted the entire post so the editing box appears which it doesn't if you just quote) has been edited by Andrew77R - who I do believe was banned?
Is Guest also Andrew 77R?
Or what?
I thought only the poster or moderator could edit posts??
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Is Guest also Andrew 77R?
Or what?
I thought only the poster or moderator could edit posts??
Confused!
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Atomic Peanut wrote:They are the Boyd family, j.rob - details here: Boyd family
It's worth reading because it gives one of the few first-hand independent witness accounts of someone who saw M in PdL
The media release stated that the playground photo was taken at 5pm on 2nd May
But the Boyd family can't have seen what's on the right hand side of the playground picture as they walked past, because the shadows suggest that part of the photo happened about 3 hours earlier (or maybe on another day at that time, or maybe not at all)
Mrs Boyd says in the article that M was wearing a pink top and a blue skirt on 2nd May but the playground photo "shows" her in pink trousers
She may have meant 3rd May instead, but M wasn't wearing a blue skirt that day either
This article sounds like a total fabrication, imo. Thank you for linking this and pointing out the inconsistencies. Interesting.
Perhaps the reporter is a chum of the other Sky anchor out in Luz whose name I can't remember but who wrote some early reports (she was also a translator) and who knew Robert Murat very well as they had gone to school together. The one who appeared to be related to the shipping magnate who lived near the area. Can't remember the names. but there are threads on here about them all. They are anything but impartial witnesses, imo.
Wednesay 2nd May it rained in the morning. Even if the sun came out after lunch, it was still not that warm that week. Yet the article states that Madeleine was playing on a water-slide. This suggests she would be in a swimming costume but the article above describes Madeleine's 'sun-hat, little pink top and blue skirt.' So does that mean the water-slide was disconnected from the pool and she was using it as a normal slide. Or what?
Apart from anything, I doubt it was hot or sunny enough on Wednesday afternoon for Madeleine to need a sun-hat.
Kate, in her book, makes no mention of Madeleine playing on a water-slide or playing football with a playmate but simply records that after lunch the children were in the play area for an hour before she walked them to their clubs.
The article claims that Madeleine and Louise, her new playmate, played football together in the play area for 'about an hour'. Highly unlikely, imo, that two girls of this age would have engaged solely in this activity for a whole hour.
So I would suggest that this article is providing a alibi of over an hour on Wednesday lunchtime for Gerry, Kate and Madeleine. How interesting? What was really going on on Wednesday lunchtime??
The article - published 19/05/07 - states that Gerry was playing tennis on a nearby court during the time that the children were playing. Whereas in Kate's book, she states that both Gerry and herself took their children to the play area for an hour before walking them to their clubs. I was only after this that Gerry took part in the adult group tennis lessons which had been rescheduled to the afternoon because of the rain in the morning. Gerry's first, then Kate's.
So these accounts are completely conflicting in terms of what Gerry was doing that lunchtime. Vicky Body is sure he was playing tennis during this time. Whereas Kate is sure that he was with the children at the playground. And after Madeleine and the twins went to their clubs, he played tennis.
There is also some hideous purple prose which sounds like TM at their very best, or should that be worst.
"She's so pretty, she looks just like her mother. Your heart breaks every time you walk past a poster with her face smiling out. it's such a shame."
Hmmm.....did KM ghost-write that, I wonder.....
And this is a nice plant: "Maddie's dad, Gerry......after the match joined Kate and put his arm around her. They seemed like a really happy family, a good strong family unit."
Have to apply reverse psychology here.
Wooah! So Wednesday lunchtime all hell may have been breaking loose. Kate may well have already sustained the bruises that she wrote about noticing on Friday on her hands, wrists and lower arms. And maybe by Wednesday, despite the rain, Gerry needed to buy a pair of sunglasses on the family outing to the beach (as Kate records in her book) as he wanted to hide his eyes. And of course Gerry is wearing sunglasses in the alleged 'final photo' - however, despite hiding his eyes behind sunglasses, he looks, imo, rather like a man condemned.
A little closer scrutiny of the Boyd family and their links with TM might be of interest, perhaps.
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Who is the 'very nice mum' that Kate had a conversation with at the toddler pool at Ocean club on Sunday 2nd June? Both Kate and Gerry write in the diaries, on 22nd August 2007, that Kate is very keen to get in contact with her and are 'sure she will remember the conversation.'
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Images of the McCanns second apartment in Praia da Luz, Algarve, Portugal.
It looks like "the last photo" but shorter hair and different clothes ,but it looks like the same stone wall in the background,same angle and same hat.
Time:0:27 or take a look at the picture below.
It looks like "the last photo" but shorter hair and different clothes ,but it looks like the same stone wall in the background,same angle and same hat.
Time:0:27 or take a look at the picture below.
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It's an amazing coincidence that the Boyd family were featured in the magazine article published on 19th May 2007, then they turn up entirely by chance in the playground photo when it's released to the media a week later
Boyd family
In the playground pic, it's also odd that the lady on the left is shielding her eyes against the sun when she's wearing sunglasses and the sun's almost behind her. What on earth is she looking at? There isn't anything over there apart from the tennis courts
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In the playground pic, it's also odd that the lady on the left is shielding her eyes against the sun when she's wearing sunglasses and the sun's almost behind her. What on earth is she looking at? There isn't anything over there apart from the tennis courts
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The boyd family from Devon
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Cloud cover
Long sleeved tops
Long trousers
Woman wearing jumper OVER T shirt
Children wearing sweaters OVER T shirts
NOT HOT
Long sleeved tops
Long trousers
Woman wearing jumper OVER T shirt
Children wearing sweaters OVER T shirts
NOT HOT
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Not a single parasol open.PeterMac wrote:Cloud cover
Long sleeved tops
Long trousers
Woman wearing jumper OVER T shirt
Children wearing sweaters OVER T shirts
NOT HOT
Not a single towel on a sunlounger.
Not a single person in the pool (the pool's water is swishing on the surface from the wind).
The parasols are still - no swishing - no wind.
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I can't see a single person's hair in that photograph swishing in the wind.
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