CRIMEWATCH Update on MadeleineMcCann case tonight 19th March

Mirage wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:PM David Cameron stepping in... ?
I'm truly flabbergasted   

It is hard to take in, Châtelaine. When has a PM of the UK openly interfered in a criminal case in this way before and instigated and financed an review/investigation from a special Home Office fund? What precedent is there? And why has this case, amongst hundreds of thousands, commanded the attention of Brown, Blair, and Cameron - three Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom.

The public are due some answers here.

Held to ransom by someone? Some muck on them individually or collectively springs to mind.

MILLIE wrote:Wasn't Tractor man black and Smelly man was described as having a tan? The two descriptions are not the same then are they, else AR would have said the man was described as being black, and wearing a wine coloured tee shirt etc etc etc. They can't now make them the same person very well.

Well, Redwood's actual words were that the man had a

DARK

BROWN

TANNED

SKIN.

This is not a million miles away from how Monteiro's skin could be described.

Now then, it would seem that:

EITHER 'smelly bin man' = 'Tractorman' = Monteiro from the Cape Verde Islands (which is what I think is the case, in which case Redwood has lied to the nation, and the appropriate police disciplinary pocedures must follow)

OR there are TWO SEPARATE blokes, one 'black' (Monteiro) and the other with a 'dark brown tanned skin', BOTH OF WHOM have been entering holiday homes on the Algarve between 2004 and 2010 in search of young girls.

Tony Bennett wrote:

TheTruthWillOut wrote:At this point why don't the Portuguese government hold a press conference and tell the world the UK police/Met/SY are making crap up and bullying them.

I just don't get why they aren't defending themselves...

A good point, and one I have pondered many times.

I think they must be under political direction, right from the top in Portugal, not to do so.

The two countries adopted a united approach to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann IMO from October 2007, when Prime Minister Gordon Brown went to Lisbon to sign a new Treaty [the Lisbon Treaty] giving away even more of our now-limited powers to the European Union and, as we know from the record, spoke in private to Portuguese Premier Jose Socrates about Madeleine McCann.

In the Crimewatch programme, Andy Redwood urges viewers to get in touch directly with his team, even if they had already spoken to the Portuguese police, because it couldnt be assumed that the information had been passed on.

https://www.thinglink.com/scene/502807952751591426

Tony Bennett wrote:

TheTruthWillOut wrote:At this point why don't the Portuguese government hold a press conference and tell the world the UK police/Met/SY are making crap up and bullying them.

I just don't get why they aren't defending themselves...

A good point, and one I have pondered many times.

I think they must be under political direction, right from the top in Portugal, not to do so.

The two countries adopted a united approach to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann IMO from October 2007, when Prime Minister Gordon Brown went to Lisbon to sign a new Treaty [the Lisbon Treaty] giving away even more of our now-limited powers to the European Union and, as we know from the record, spoke in private to Portuguese Premier Jose Socrates about Madeleine McCann

Goncalo Amaral referred directly to this point in his Portuguese TV interview on Friday, in these words [thanks to whoever provided the translation]:

 
[size=14.66]And what happened, and continues to happen, is that we have to be politically correct, subordinate to the English power. That happens, it happened on the 2nd of October [of 2007] at the Lisbon Treaty, there were discussions between José Sócrates, then prime minister, and Gordon Brown, the English prime minister, who told the newspapers that he had asked the Portuguese prime minister about the [Maddie] case. So even before that it was already a political case. And when politics intrude into a criminal investigation, nothing will end well, whether the criminal investigation relates to a homicide, a burglary, a disappearance, or corruption.[/size]

Tony Bennett wrote:

The two countries adopted a united approach to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann IMO from October 2007, when Prime Minister Gordon Brown went to Lisbon to sign a new Treaty [the Lisbon Treaty] giving away even more of our now-limited powers to the European Union and, as we know from the record, spoke in private to Portuguese Premier Jose Socrates about Madeleinme McCann

David Miliband also signed the Lisbon Treaty.

This is scandalous. Hasn't there been enough political interference in this case? Isn't that what scuppered the original Portuguese investigation. Now we have David Cameron interfering, yet he takes no interest at all in any other family in this country.


Press Association

PM ready to help speed Maddie probe

The Prime Minister has said he is willing to step in if the British investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is held up by delays in the Portuguese legal system.

David Cameron's official spokesman confirmed that the premier would be prepared to "make further representations" to the government there if it would help Scotland Yard's inquiry.

He said: "The Prime Minister and the Home Secretary and others have always been clear that they very much support the work that the British police authorities are doing in this and are always prepared to consider whether there is more that can be done and, as part of that, always stand by to make further representations to the Portuguese government for example if that would be helpful.

"Investigations are rightly for police authorities but If there is more that the Government can do to help facilitate, we would certainly consider that and look to do as much as we could to help."

Yesterday Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt expressed frustration at the speed of the legal system through which British police have to ask for Portuguese assistance with their inquiry.

He said: "That's causing us frustration because we know what we want to do and we are ready to go with that. But the process is the process."

Scotland Yard has so far written three international letters of request to the Portuguese, covering 41 priority areas and including 287 separate requests.

Yesterday Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood revealed that the force are looking for a lone intruder who sexually abused five British girls during a series of break-ins in the Algarve, Portugal.

The tanned, dark-haired man is suspected of breaking in to 12 properties where British families were staying in the Algarve, Portugal, between 2004 and 2010.

In four of the incidents, a total of five girls aged between seven and 10 were sexually assaulted. These attacks happened between 2004 and 2006, before Madeleine vanished in 2007.

Mr Redwood said: ''I'm sure the public will understand that the significant features of this offending - a man with a vile interest in young, white, female children, who he is attacking in their beds while they are on holiday with their families - has got a very close resonance to some of the features of Madeleine's disappearance.

''We really need to identify the offender, to bring to a close the trauma and the tragedy that these families have suffered, and then seek to establish whether this is connected to Madeleine's disappearance.''

Another appeal for information was made last night on BBC's Crimewatch, that sparked more than 250 calls and emails.

Madeleine, who was then nearly four, disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in the Algarve on May 3 2007 as her parents dined at a nearby restaurant with friends.

British detectives launched a fresh investigation into the youngster's disappearance in July last year - two years into a review of the case - and made renewed appeals on television in the UK, the Netherlands and Germany. After shelving their inquiry into Madeleine's disappearance in 2008, Portuguese authorities said last October that a review had uncovered enough new information to justify reopening it.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pm-ready-help-speed-maddie-probe-175033370.html#WClxEUv

MILLIE wrote:Wasn't Tractor man black and Smelly man was described as having a tan? The two descriptions are not the same then are they, else AR would have said the man was described as being black, and wearing a wine coloured tee shirt etc etc etc. They can't now make them the same person very well.

Didn`t Andy also say that Binman had a paunch and was middle-aged? Or did I dream that ?  - Tractorman looked quite skinny from his pics.

Tony Bennett wrote:

MILLIE wrote:Wasn't Tractor man black and Smelly man was described as having a tan? The two descriptions are not the same then are they, else AR would have said the man was described as being black, and wearing a wine coloured tee shirt etc etc etc. They can't now make them the same person very well.

Well, Redwood's actual words were that the man had a

DARK

BROWN

TANNED

SKIN.

This is not a million miles away from how Monteiro's skin could be described.

Now then, it would seem that:

EITHER 'smelly bin man' = 'Tractorman' = Monteiro from the Cape Verde Islands (which is what I think is the case, in which case Redwood has lied to the nation, and the appropriate police disciplinary pocedures must follow)

OR there are TWO SEPARATE blokes, one 'black' (Monteiro) and the other with a 'dark brown tanned skin', BOTH OF WHOM have been entering holiday homes on the Algarve between 2004 and 2010 in search of young girls.

Looking back at the article from a Portuguese news site that NickE posted up the thread, I note that it said, quote: 

Euclid Monteiro, described by witnesses at the time, as a man of tanned skin and short dark hair and disheveled, was born in Cape Verde

Therefore we have:

1, Monteiro, 'tanned'

and

2. 'smelly bin man': (per DCI Redwood) 'dark, brown, tanned'.

Not much to choose, then.

If it's the same man, Redwood has misled us.

If it's two diifferent men, then Portugal had two similar child-molestors entering holiday apartments between 2004 and 2010.

Something has happened in the last few days for Cameron to stick his beak in - something that`s a bit too near the truth.  Is it the GA interview?

Bet anything that Cameron will not be on the side of truth.

Yes, he ordered the review after the shove by RB, but I reckon the true remit was to whitewash the McCanns.

For him to get involved now means there is someone mighty important being protected.

Tony Bennett wrote:

MILLIE wrote:Wasn't Tractor man black and Smelly man was described as having a tan? The two descriptions are not the same then are they, else AR would have said the man was described as being black, and wearing a wine coloured tee shirt etc etc etc. They can't now make them the same person very well.

Well, Redwood's actual words were that the man had a

DARK

BROWN

TANNED

SKIN.

This is not a million miles away from how Monteiro's skin could be described.

Now then, it would seem that:

EITHER 'smelly bin man' = 'Tractorman' = Monteiro from the Cape Verde Islands (which is what I think is the case, in which case Redwood has lied to the nation, and the appropriate police disciplinary pocedures must follow)

OR there are TWO SEPARATE blokes, one 'black' (Monteiro) and the other with a 'dark brown tanned skin', BOTH OF WHOM have been entering holiday homes on the Algarve between 2004 and 2010 in search of young girls.

Just to emphasise again, this is the quote from the Noticiasominute / 'Daily News':

The new suspect Scotland Yard announced yesterday that they were investigating, under the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann in 2007, has already been investigated by the Judicial Police and was dead since 2009, advances the Daily News.

If they're right, then 'smelly bin man' = Monteiro.

Is this the political courage Amaral alluded to?

My interest in this case is twofold. One is the natural humanitarian concern for Madeleine. The other is my concern at the atrophying of democratic processes brought about by a pair of negligent doctors who are being propped up, for God knows what reason, by successive governments of the United Kingdom.

I do not think I am overstating matters, when I say this case and its sinister implications strike at the heart of our democracy.

I am also of the opinion that we are a nasty, craven, bullying, xenophobic little country when we perceive an ability to pull rank on less influential nations.

The trouble with the McCanns is they are a de-stabilising force because they have rocked the foundations of who we think we are as a nation. This toxic legacy is now spreading into the wider reaches of Europe, affecting how the UK is perceived as a result of the politically-charged hectoring to get our own way over protecting the McCanns from the consequences of their own actions in 2007.

And if that is not the catalyst for serious societal repercussions at some later point then Cameron needs to take his bloody blinkers off.

I`ve just tried to watch Crimewatch again on BBCi player but it keeps saying `media selection request failed`.

Anyway on the details it does say that Binman was said by some witnesses to have a pot belly (which I`m sure Tractorman didn`t).

Mirage wrote:My interest in this case is twofold. One is the natural humanitarian concern for Madeleine. The other is my concern at the atrophying of democratic processes brought about by a pair of negligent doctors who are being propped up, for God knows what reason, by successive governments of the United Kingdom.

I do not think I am overstating matters, when I say this case and its sinister implications strike at the heart of our democracy.

I am also of the opinion that we are a nasty, craven, bullying, xenophobic little country when we perceive an ability to pull rank on less influential nations.

The trouble with the McCanns is they are a de-stabilising force because they have rocked the foundations of who we think we are as a nation. This toxic legacy is now spreading into the wider reaches of Europe, affecting how the UK is perceived as a result of the politically-charged hectoring to get our own way over protecting the McCanns from the consequences of their own actions in 2007.

And if that is not the catalyst for serious societal repercussions at some later point then Cameron needs to take his bloody blinkers off.

I agree with every word of that.

Mirage wrote:My interest in this case is twofold. One is the natural humanitarian concern for Madeleine. The other is my concern at the atrophying of democratic processes brought about by a pair of negligent doctors who are being propped up, for God knows what reason, by successive governments of the United Kingdom.

I do not think I am overstating matters, when I say this case and its sinister implications strike at the heart of our democracy.

I am also of the opinion that we are a nasty, craven, bullying, xenophobic little country when we perceive an ability to pull rank on less influential nations.

The trouble with the McCanns is they are a de-stabilising force because they have rocked the foundations of who we think we are as a nation. This toxic legacy is now spreading into the wider reaches of Europe, affecting how the UK is perceived as a result of the politically-charged hectoring to get our own way over protecting the McCanns from the consequences of their own actions in 2007.

And if that is not the catalyst for serious societal repercussions at some later point then Cameron needs to take his bloody blinkers off.

  

No wonder Boris wants water cannon !

Thanks Mirage

Gorden brown lost a Daughter Cameron lost a son.Why would they sell their souls to the devil for the mccanns

petunia wrote:Gorden brown lost a Daughter Cameron lost a son.Why would they sell their souls to the devil for the mccanns

Compartmentalised thinking.

Very well put Mirage, especially - "I am also of the opinion that we are a nasty, craven, bullying, xenophobic little country when we perceive an ability to pull rank on less influential nations".

I`m ashamed to be British - we are no more that the USAs henchman.

Tony Bennett wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

MILLIE wrote:Wasn't Tractor man black and Smelly man was described as having a tan? The two descriptions are not the same then are they, else AR would have said the man was described as being black, and wearing a wine coloured tee shirt etc etc etc. They can't now make them the same person very well.

Well, Redwood's actual words were that the man had a

DARK

BROWN

TANNED

SKIN.

This is not a million miles away from how Monteiro's skin could be described.

Now then, it would seem that:

EITHER 'smelly bin man' = 'Tractorman' = Monteiro from the Cape Verde Islands (which is what I think is the case, in which case Redwood has lied to the nation, and the appropriate police disciplinary pocedures must follow)

OR there are TWO SEPARATE blokes, one 'black' (Monteiro) and the other with a 'dark brown tanned skin', BOTH OF WHOM have been entering holiday homes on the Algarve between 2004 and 2010 in search of young girls.

Just to emphasise again, this is the quote from the Noticiasominute / 'Daily News':

The new suspect Scotland Yard announced yesterday that they were investigating, under the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann in 2007, has already been investigated by the Judicial Police and was dead since 2009, advances the Daily News.

If they're right, then 'smelly bin man' = Monteiro.

If you'll pardon the expression, from photos it would appear that Monteiro was as black as the hat. To describe him as tanned would be akin to describing Obama as "The first tanned president of the United States."

To paraphrase James Brown - Say it loud! I'm tanned and I'm proud!

Mirage wrote:My interest in this case is twofold. One is the natural humanitarian concern for Madeleine. The other is my concern at the atrophying of democratic processes brought about by a pair of negligent doctors who are being propped up, for God knows what reason, by successive governments of the United Kingdom.

I do not think I am overstating matters, when I say this case and its sinister implications strike at the heart of our democracy.

I am also of the opinion that we are a nasty, craven, bullying, xenophobic little country when we perceive an ability to pull rank on less influential nations.

The trouble with the McCanns is they are a de-stabilising force because they have rocked the foundations of who we think we are as a nation. This toxic legacy is now spreading into the wider reaches of Europe, affecting how the UK is perceived as a result of the politically-charged hectoring to get our own way over protecting the McCanns from the consequences of their own actions in 2007.

And if that is not the catalyst for serious societal repercussions at some later point then Cameron needs to take his bloody blinkers off.

It is very noticeable that the same kind of rhetoric is currently being slung at the Malaysians, presumably because they're too stupid to blow 80% of their GDP on shiny state of the art military surveillance kit.

Maddie Case: Moita Flores says alleged rapist is "Propaganda" 

Francisco Moita Flores is skeptical of the new data from the Maddie case. The commentator CMTV says the alleged rapist sought "is just propaganda" and said Scotland Yard would not give so much importance to the vague information.
(Google Translate)

http://cmtv.sapo.pt/detalhe.aspx?channelID=34F5E1B7-BABF-4C08-83FC-20AF9E097CDA&contentID=61C08FDA-DC50-4DE5-A61D-CB75245EDEE3

Woofer wrote:I`ve just tried to watch Crimewatch again on BBCi player but it keeps saying `media selection request failed`.

Anyway on the details it does say that Binman was said by some witnesses to have a pot belly (which I`m sure Tractorman didn`t).

Just watched him on update...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03yx055/Crimewatch_Update_19_03_2014/

He has the thumbscrews on the mccanns now...
They must be outraged about whats going on!

He almost chuckled to himself when he said that "he has a number of calls that he is very encouraged by

He is taking the michael.

But... Their current working hypothesis is that the death occurred in the appartment.

so.... Mccann's... your time is almost up.