Re: Mikaeel Kular

by suzyjohnson 16.01.14 14:50

jeanmonroe wrote:I see they have his photo out there straight away.

Not, i notice, a photo of him when he was much younger. (cuter, cutesy, who no one, even those close to him, would recognise)

Unlike McCanns who did not 'release' LAST photo' of Madeleine (pool) ( which was supposedly' on KM's camera just hours before she went 'missing') until 3 WEEKS later, after GM had returned from UK.

Still don't understand WHY the 'pool' photo which 'was in' KM's camera was NOT released for 3 weeks.

Does anyone have an explanation for WHY the McCanns witheld the 'last' (pool) photo from the public for 3 weeks?

THAT was the the picture of her, people on holiday at the exact same time, would have 'recognised' straight away.

Jean, I thought a possible reason could be to do with the clothes, perhaps they could not produce this particular outfit at the time should the PJ have requested it? Also, I thought I read somewhere that KM said she remembered MM on that afternoon wearing a peach top? If that were the case then it's unlikely that photograph would be from 3rd May. But, if you have 'proof' in the photograph of what the family were wearing on that afternoon, then the police wouldn't be looking for other outfits, such as a peach top for example. MM went back to the creche shortly after the photo was taken, is it likely that her outfit was changed first, if it was then it isn't mentioned in any statements that I've seen.

Also haven't seen any statements from the Tapas group or independent witnesses that have described what clothes MM was wearing on the afternoon of the 3rd (only descriptions of the pyjamas she was said to be wearing later on, and I think this is one area where the police could have established that. After three weeks who would remember which outfit MM was wearing, and who would be so certain that they would give a different version to that of her parents. So, possible reasons for not producing the 'last photo' immediately.

by **PeterMac** 16.01.14 15:09

Thread in danger of drifting.

by jeanmonroe 16.01.14 15:15

So, possible reasons for not producing the 'last photo' immediately?
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Or it hadn't possibly been 'photoshopped' yet.?

And Gerry picked 'it 'up on his solo trip back to Rothley

Just comparing the little boys case 'quickness' to have his photo published compared to Madeleine.

ALL IMO!

No OT posts, please.

by Guest 16.01.14 15:18

This is about a 3 year old little boy missing from Edinburgh.

by russiandoll 16.01.14 15:26

Could a 3 year old put on a jacket and shoes?

Yes, imo, if shoes were Velcro fastening and he was not too sleepy. A single mum of 5 probably teaches her children to do as much as they can without her help in a busy household.
The nursery no doubt would have discussed his precociousness and other aspects of what in their estimation he would/ would not be capable of.

Seems the family live in a 2 floor maisonette, so we are now probably speaking of a 3 year old negotiating stairs and exiting safely. He possibly would not put his shoes on fitting properly, so dangerous.

Were any of the siblings disturbed?

They will be able to give police vital info about the events of the evening, meal, bedtimes.
The little one was put to bed very late, if 9 pm was the first time.

The police will no doubt have established immediately if mum went to bed at the same time or whether she went later and so that would mean she did not check before turning in.

The reporters are saying that he was reported missing 8 hours ago, has it been established that is the case? I would not be surprised to hear it was a little later, given he was found missing at 7.15.

I hope that he is found safe and well, but I have a feeling that sadly this won't be the case.
Cold, hungry and vulnerable. If he has done what police are saying is the unlikely woken and wandered thing, then he has quite possibly come to serious harm.

Please let them find him soon, whatever has happened.

by russiandoll 16.01.14 15:30

SKY about to speak to head of Missing People charity... should be interesting.

by aiyoyo 16.01.14 15:45

The pertinent question might be : when was the boy last seen by independent witness ?

by **PeterMac** 16.01.14 15:54

Anodyne drivel. As we might have expected.
I wish they could use people who were numerate.
she told us that 140,000 are reported missing each year
of which only 1% are children under the age of 3
1 per cent is 1,400
Per Year

That is HERDS of children.

She clearly wishes to say a vanishingly small number,
but the use of 1% does not signify a small number when you have given a ludicrously inflated number to start with.

But let us be thankful for small mercies.
No comparisons, no mention, . . .

by russiandoll 16.01.14 15:57

She did use the expression " people want the world to stop and search" or words to that effect but not who used them most famously.

eta no broken window, no broken door acc to reporter.

resident says the door to the outside is heavy and not easy to open, does not think a 3 year old could open it.

by aiyoyo 16.01.14 16:09

PeterMac wrote:Anodyne drivel. As we might have expected.
I wish they could use people who were numerate.
she told us that 140,000 are reported missing each year
of which only 1% are children under the age of 3
1 per cent is 1,400
Per Year

That is HERDS of children.

She clearly wishes to say a vanishingly small number,
but the use of 1% does not signify a small number when you have given a ludicrously inflated number to start with.

But let us be thankful for small mercies.
No comparisons, no mention, . . .

Don't speak too soon.
If he was abducted they will be on the bandwagon in a flash.
All depends how this will unfold.

No mention of Burglars or PAYG cell phones yet.
Usually common areas of Flat/Apartment have CCTV.

ETA: Jo Youle is another bird who does not understand the significance of number or percentage.

by Ange 16.01.14 16:15

russiandoll wrote:SKY about to speak to head of Missing People charity... should be interesting.

(Not posted in such a long time, still read everyday though).

It was interesting only to the effect that the spokesperson said it was highly unusual for a child under the age of 4 to go missing in these circumstances, 'in the UK'.

IMO, a 3 year old is not going to get up, dressed and go out in freezing cold darkness, navigate two floors and no one hears a thing? Apparently the entrance/exit door to the flats is very stiff and not easy to open. All points to adult involvement.

I'm hopeful the Dad, or a member of the dad's family has him, and wonder if he had a key to the property at any time in the past. But then, that may belie the level of local police activity. I hope like hell this has a good outcome for the little one and his family.

by Upsy Daisy 16.01.14 16:32

This is sadly happening 2 miles from where I live. I have been out all afternoon and only just watched the news- wish I had heard earlier, would've kept my eyes open on the walk home. Just checked our shed and garden bushes since garden huge. If the little one is not found, no doubt police search will move along in our easterly direction. Pray he is found. Keeping my little ones in and close.

by russiandoll 16.01.14 16:36

police update due, ex cop concerned about fading light.

says police will not give info just to satisfy media interest, what is released will have a purpose.

will there be a family appeal I wonder?

Yes, pray for a happy outcome, but as time goes by , it looks less likely.

by Daisy 16.01.14 16:38

Lots of people commenting on this story in the Daily Mail Online asking why this isn't their headline story. Sums the DM up that they choose an article about a £3million country house for sale as their leading piece. Disgusting!

by Daisy 16.01.14 16:44

Upsy Daisy wrote:This is sadly happening 2 miles from where I live. I have been out all afternoon and only just watched the news- wish I had heard earlier, would've kept my eyes open on the walk home. Just checked our shed and garden bushes since garden huge. If the little one is not found, no doubt police search will move along in our easterly direction. Pray he is found. Keeping my little ones in and close.

Oh no! It impacts even more when something like this happens close by. Please do keep us updated Upsy Daisy. roses

by russiandoll 16.01.14 16:53

I wonder when cadaver dogs are brought in, in these cases.

Brunty is asking the Superintendent how a 3 year old could have got up, dressed himself and left the house.

She says it has been confirmed that Mikaeal can dress himself and the shoes were Velcro, so considering it a possibility he has left of his own volition.

by Upsy Daisy 16.01.14 16:54

It's bin day tomorrow so all bins getting checked. Just had fence at top of garden fixed today which goes onto main road in case anyone sneaked in and hid in our garden but had a look. Loads of green areas and big gardens round here. wondered why helicopters were out, now we know. Maybe more on local edinburgh news at 6.will update with anything new.

by Tangled Web 16.01.14 17:10

I pray they find this little boy very soon. Can't imagine him just wandering out into the street in the middle of the night/early hours of the morning and nobody thinking it strange and taking him to the police station. That's obviously IF he let himself out. Fingers crossed it's a family dispute and no harm has come to this little one.

by Guest 16.01.14 17:18

Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas 19m
Press conference : police are still working on timelines- but as it stands #mikaelkular mother was last person to see him at 9pm last night

by aiyoyo 16.01.14 17:32

It's reported normally he shares a room with his twin, but last night he slept alone.

That raises question obviously.

Not looking good I feel.

His Dad was off the family scene for a very long time. IMO, unlikely to turn up out of the blue to take one child away.
If his dad had him you'd expect him to come forward by now as it is only a question of time before the Police get around to questioning him.

ETA: So far not a peep from the "Ambassador" of Missing People yet!

by Nina 16.01.14 17:34

I heard there was a new baby. Has anyone else heard this?

by plebgate 16.01.14 17:45

Hope this little boy is found safe and well and soon. roses

I also hope that the other two girls reported missing in January are found - the missing 18 year old in Wales and the teenage girl in(I think) Woking. Haven't heard anything about these two missing girls in the news this week.

Anyone heard what is happening?

by Upsy Daisy 16.01.14 18:13

Nothing else on local news that isn't on national news. Just pray he turns up safe and it's a family issue.

by ultimaThule 16.01.14 18:18

PeterMac wrote:Anodyne drivel. As we might have expected.
I wish they could use people who were numerate.
she told us that 140,000 are reported missing each year
of which only 1% are children under the age of 3
1 per cent is 1,400
Per Year

That is HERDS of children.

She clearly wishes to say a vanishingly small number,
but the use of 1% does not signify a small number when you have given a ludicrously inflated number to start with.

But let us be thankful for small mercies.
No comparisons, no mention, . . .

Start with 140,000 people who are reported missing each year (what happens to this annual figure if another 5 or 10 or 120 etc, take it into their heads to go walkabout or 5, 10, etc decide to stay home?), and pluck 1% out of the mixed bag which is the police reporting of missing children to claim that 1,400 children under the age of 3 go missing every year.

This figure of 1,400, one thousand four hundred!, is the equivalent of slightly less than 4 babies/toddlers/infants being reported missing from their homes and possibly being at risk of serious harm and worse at the hands of their abductors every single day of the week.

Where are the headlines, the news stories, the tv coverage of the police searches in these cases?

And if 1% or 1400 represents the number of under 3-year olds who go missing from their homes each year, should we assume that a further 1% or 1400 children under 6 years but over 3 years old are also reported missing each year and can we also make this assumption with regard to children under 9 but over 6 years, under 12 but over 9 years, etc?

What utter bolleux!!! A disgraceful manipulation of dubious statistics designed to get the generous British public reaching into their pockets to support yet another charity which begins at home in terms of its CEO and other paid employees being richly rewarded before it makes any attempt to fulfil its questionable mission statement.

Admin/candyfloss - please move this response to another thread if it's out of place here.

by Upsy Daisy 16.01.14 18:43

BBC Scotland news, they seem to be reiterating that his mother says he is very capable of dressing himself and getting out of the door. very worrying considering that Silverknowes beach/cliffs nearby, plus there are some rough parts of the city along there, drunks, local youths, drugs, etc.puts shivers down my spine knowing what type of things go on in the night.