OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now *41* persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... *PLUS* A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

Newintown wrote:Didn't Jez Wilkins have something to do with the Crimewatch programme, I have done a search on the website but can't find if he is still involved.  If he is I was wondering if had something to do with the Crimewatch reconstruction as Gerry McCann was trying to change the fact as to what side of the street they were talking on on 3rd May when JW was taking his son out for a walk.

Perhaps JW got pi**ed off with Gerry trying to make out that JW was lying in his statement, just my thoughts of course.

susible wrote:Also, Gerry's demeanour on the steps of the courthouse was not one of someone who is about to be "officially" exonerated and the mystery of what happened to his daughter solved, rather more a man who doesn't know exactly what is going to hit him next.  I also cast my mind back to the wretched faces at the 6th anniversary and I wondered exactly what had happened at that point as they've never looked like that before, and then of course a few weeks later, SY announced that the review had moved to an investigation.

End times imo

sallypelt wrote:I don't know what to make of this, but was anyone aware that Murat and Jane Tanner are related on their maternal lines?


(2) The Burgau apartment is the Solimar/ Sol e Mar where DNA profiles of a person of the maternal line of both Jane Tanner and Robert Murat were found on 5/5/07.
The report explains why these profiles do not prove they were the profiles of RM or JT, merely a person of the same maternal lines - cousin, child, sibling, aunt… A subject for a post in its own right.

http://textusa.blogspot.co.uk/2011_11_01_archive.html

russiandoll wrote:http://www.standard.co.uk/incoming/inside-scotland-yards-new-madeleine-mccann-hunt-hq-8858835.html

Inside Scotland Yard's new Madeleine McCann hunt HQ




Hard work: Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood in the incident room

JUSTIN DAVENPORT, CRIME EDITOR
Published: 04 October 2013 Updated: 12:39, 04 October 2013
This is the nerve centre of Scotland Yard’s £5 million investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The Standard was today allowed exclusive access to the incident room in London where detectives are running the world-wide inquiry into the missing child.



Restricted access: The door to the incident room

Located on the second floor of Belgravia police station, the room is the centre of a massive inquiry involving tens of thousands of documents and files. Detectives work surrounded by shelves stacked with 39,000 or so documents from the Operation Grange inquiry. A separate room contains more files from police and private detectives.

Detectives are poised to release a new appeal with “fresh substantive” material and a new theory of what happened when the three-year-old vanished.

Officers are combing through a huge log of mobile phone traffic identified in Praia da Luz, in Portugal, at the time of Maddy’s disappearance while she was on holiday in the Algarve with her parents Kate and Gerry McCann and her twin siblings six years ago. Detectives are focusing on a list of 41 so-called “persons of interest” including 15 British nationals.

The McCanns will appear live in the studio during an episode of BBC Crimewatch on Monday October 14 which will also feature a reconstruction of the night Madeleine disappeared in Portugal — and equivalent programmes are expected to be broadcast in Holland, Germany and possibly Ireland.

Detectives said new material uncovered by the inquiry does not implicate the family or their friends.

russiandoll wrote:http://www.standard.co.uk/incoming/inside-scotland-yards-new-madeleine-mccann-hunt-hq-8858835.html

Inside Scotland Yard's new Madeleine McCann hunt HQ




Hard work: Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood in the incident room

JUSTIN DAVENPORT, CRIME EDITOR
Published: 04 October 2013 Updated: 12:39, 04 October 2013
This is the nerve centre of Scotland Yard’s £5 million investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The Standard was today allowed exclusive access to the incident room in London where detectives are running the world-wide inquiry into the missing child.



Restricted access: The door to the incident room

Located on the second floor of Belgravia police station, the room is the centre of a massive inquiry involving tens of thousands of documents and files. Detectives work surrounded by shelves stacked with 39,000 or so documents from the Operation Grange inquiry. A separate room contains more files from police and private detectives.

Detectives are poised to release a new appeal with “fresh substantive” material and a new theory of what happened when the three-year-old vanished.

Officers are combing through a huge log of mobile phone traffic identified in Praia da Luz, in Portugal, at the time of Maddy’s disappearance while she was on holiday in the Algarve with her parents Kate and Gerry McCann and her twin siblings six years ago. Detectives are focusing on a list of 41 so-called “persons of interest” including 15 British nationals.

The McCanns will appear live in the studio during an episode of BBC Crimewatch on Monday October 14 which will also feature a reconstruction of the night Madeleine disappeared in Portugal — and equivalent programmes are expected to be broadcast in Holland, Germany and possibly Ireland.

Detectives said new material uncovered by the inquiry does not implicate the family or their friends.

russiandoll wrote:

susible wrote:Also, Gerry's demeanour on the steps of the courthouse was not one of someone who is about to be "officially" exonerated and the mystery of what happened to his daughter solved, rather more a man who doesn't know exactly what is going to hit him next.  I also cast my mind back to the wretched faces at the 6th anniversary and I wondered exactly what had happened at that point as they've never looked like that before, and then of course a few weeks later, SY announced that the review had moved to an investigation.

End times imo

They would have those anguished faces if they had been informed of the new theory as reported from Portugal. The press conference yesterday did not mention a paedo ring, it was not reported in UK media. My stomach turns to think that might have been her fate.

 The photo at that memorial  in May was the first where I saw true anguish and devastation. They looked wretched.

Newintown wrote:

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I don't know if Cristobell will understand the reason for your question any more than I do!

Here's a Wikipedia link to the infamous Philpotts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Philpott

I think Marconi meant "post" not "opinion", although I see you've given the info on the Philpotts.

Obviously, English is not Marconi's first language, so I admire him/her joining in the discussions with so much enthusiasm. 

susible wrote:

russiandoll wrote:

susible wrote:Also, Gerry's demeanour on the steps of the courthouse was not one of someone who is about to be "officially" exonerated and the mystery of what happened to his daughter solved, rather more a man who doesn't know exactly what is going to hit him next.  I also cast my mind back to the wretched faces at the 6th anniversary and I wondered exactly what had happened at that point as they've never looked like that before, and then of course a few weeks later, SY announced that the review had moved to an investigation.

End times imo

They would have those anguished faces if they had been informed of the new theory as reported from Portugal. The press conference yesterday did not mention a paedo ring, it was not reported in UK media. My stomach turns to think that might have been her fate.

 The photo at that memorial  in May was the first where I saw true anguish and devastation. They looked wretched.

But they have always touted the paedo angle, and of course in the infamous page 129 of madeleine, why would it suddenly have affected them in 2013, when it didn't in all the previous years?

tasprin wrote:

Newintown wrote:Didn't Jez Wilkins have something to do with the Crimewatch programme, I have done a search on the website but can't find if he is still involved.  If he is I was wondering if had something to do with the Crimewatch reconstruction as Gerry McCann was trying to change the fact as to what side of the street they were talking on on 3rd May when JW was taking his son out for a walk.

Perhaps JW got pi**ed off with Gerry trying to make out that JW was lying in his statement, just my thoughts of course.

Bridget O'Donnell, Wilkins partner was a Crimewatch producer, I believe

Newintown wrote:Didn't Jez Wilkins have something to do with the Crimewatch programme, I have done a search on the website but can't find if he is still involved.  If he is I was wondering if had something to do with the Crimewatch reconstruction as Gerry McCann was trying to change the fact as to what side of the street they were talking on on 3rd May when JW was taking his son out for a walk.

Perhaps JW got pi**ed off with Gerry trying to make out that JW was lying in his statement, just my thoughts of course.

DIBarlow wrote:"Detectives said new material uncovered by the inquiry does not implicate the family or their friends."
Isn't it amazing how many times this or similar phrases have been trotted out for this case.
One wonders why, IF as claimed by the UK media the parents were "officially exonerated", they feel the need to continually do this??

Cherry Blossom wrote:Another good one from

http://l-azzeri-lies-in-the-sun.com/Redwoods_Great_Big_Onion.html

Cherry Blossom wrote:Another good one from

http://l-azzeri-lies-in-the-sun.com/Redwoods_Great_Big_Onion.html

gbwales wrote:"Detectives said new material uncovered by the inquiry does not implicate the family or their friends."


Or, to put it another way...


"Detectives said new material uncovered by the inquiry does not implicate the family or their friends."


Although I'm largely pessimistic about all this, my optimistic side says that this is a way of suggesting that old material/evidence may implicate the family and/or their friends....

cass7 wrote:whos going to play eddie and keela i wonder - or mrs fenn ho heard madeline crying for over a hr - or infact better still who will jemmie the shutters

Angelique wrote:

Cherry Blossom wrote:Another good one from

http://l-azzeri-lies-in-the-sun.com/Redwoods_Great_Big_Onion.html

Cherry Blossom

Thanks for the link. I think she has got to the last layer of Andy's onion, nothing.

Look at the shiny shiny, as my son says when someone is trying to distract you

aquila wrote:

cass7 wrote:whos going to play eddie and keela i wonder - or mrs fenn ho heard madeline crying for over a hr - or infact better still who will jemmie the shutters

Eddie and Keela will be played by pooch/mutt/street dog (Clarrie's all for saving those recently).

Mrs Fenn will be depicted as a poor old soul with dementia (Mrs Fenn's landline phone call record is useful though isn't it?)

It's panto time.

Pyewacket wrote:

Searcher wrote:Today's Joana Morais blog raises the time-frame of 6.45 -7.00 pm on the night of
3 May, when apparently, allegedly, in that fifteen minutes, David Payne was the "last
person" to see Madeleine alive.  I don't know the source but that is the quote on the
page this morning in her blog.  I have not read that suggestion/allegation quite as
clearly as this before.  Will Operation Grange include this in the timeline?

I believe the quote said all calls between the 28/4 and 4/5 ?