LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE

Over The Hill wrote:

worriedmum wrote:OTH you are giving me the impression of someone galloping round in circles at a fairground ,shooting off fusillades willy-nilly in the hope of hitting something, anything really*.  The main thing that comes across to me is that IMO you are  really annoyed about the Gaspar statements...
* so far you have won a goldfish

Well worriedmum, you are wrong all counts, which doesn't give you much hope of solving what happened to Maddie. And at least I don't post spiteful comments about other contributors

aquila wrote:

Over The Hill wrote:

worriedmum wrote:OTH you are giving me the impression of someone galloping round in circles at a fairground ,shooting off fusillades willy-nilly in the hope of hitting something, anything really*.  The main thing that comes across to me is that IMO you are  really annoyed about the Gaspar statements...
* so far you have won a goldfish

Well worriedmum, you are wrong all counts, which doesn't give you much hope of solving what happened to Maddie. And at least I don't post spiteful comments about other contributors

No offence here, but what have your posts got to do with the Libel Trial?

This is about McCanns v Amaral.

This is the important one for me as this is the trial that has taken so many years to actually get to court.

NEVER forget there is a libel trial going on. Keep the focus on that.

aquila wrote:No offence here, but what have your posts got to do with the Libel Trial?

This is about McCanns v Amaral.

This is the important one for me as this is the trial that has taken so many years to actually get to court.

NEVER forget there is a libel trial going on. Keep the focus on that.

Over The Hill wrote:

aquila wrote:No offence here, but what have your posts got to do with the Libel Trial?

This is about McCanns v Amaral.

This is the important one for me as this is the trial that has taken so many years to actually get to court.

NEVER forget there is a libel trial going on. Keep the focus on that.

Aquila, I apologised a few posts back for this getting a bit off topic, but when other posters pick up on things you have said it would be rude not to reply. I made one simple point about the link between the trial, the book and the police's decision to make the witness statements public, and was bombarded with questions

As I said back there, the relevance to the libel trial is that the issue of truth will be at the centre of it, because the McCanns have to prove (a) that things that Amaral has said in the book are untrue and (b) that they have suffered damage as a result (eg they say the search was hindered). So everything that's in the book is relevant, including the Smith sighting and the Gaspar statements

But I agree, we should get back to legal issues that will come up in court because that's what really interests me

aquila wrote:

Over The Hill wrote:

aquila wrote:No offence here, but what have your posts got to do with the Libel Trial?

This is about McCanns v Amaral.

This is the important one for me as this is the trial that has taken so many years to actually get to court.

NEVER forget there is a libel trial going on. Keep the focus on that.

Aquila, I apologised a few posts back for this getting a bit off topic, but when other posters pick up on things you have said it would be rude not to reply. I made one simple point about the link between the trial, the book and the police's decision to make the witness statements public, and was bombarded with questions

As I said back there, the relevance to the libel trial is that the issue of truth will be at the centre of it, because the McCanns have to prove (a) that things that Amaral has said in the book are untrue and (b) that they have suffered damage as a result (eg they say the search was hindered). So everything that's in the book is relevant, including the Smith sighting and the Gaspar statements

But I agree, we should get back to legal issues that will come up in court because that's what really interests me

This libel trial has nothing to do with the truth. It is about the content of the suit. It has nothing to do with Madeleine or finding out what happened to her. It's also been served in Portugal under Portuguese law.

aquila wrote:This libel trial has nothing to do with the truth. It is about the content of the suit. It has nothing to do with Madeleine or finding out what happened to her. It's also been served in Portugal under Portuguese law.

Over The Hill wrote:

aquila wrote:This libel trial has nothing to do with the truth. It is about the content of the suit. It has nothing to do with Madeleine or finding out what happened to her. It's also been served in Portugal under Portuguese law.

Truth is a central feature of any libel case, otherwise it wouldn't be a libel case. The issue of personal hurt and damage to the search have been cited as key arguments, but the prosecution still has to demonstrate that points in Amaral's book are either untrue, or that it wasn't reasonable to make them on the basis of the evidence

Over The Hill wrote:

aquila wrote:This libel trial has nothing to do with the truth. It is about the content of the suit. It has nothing to do with Madeleine or finding out what happened to her. It's also been served in Portugal under Portuguese law.

Truth is a central feature of any libel case, otherwise it wouldn't be a libel case. The issue of personal hurt and damage to the search have been cited as key arguments, but the prosecution still has to demonstrate that points in Amaral's book are either untrue, or that it wasn't reasonable to make them on the basis of the evidence

aquila wrote:

Over The Hill wrote:

aquila wrote:This libel trial has nothing to do with the truth. It is about the content of the suit. It has nothing to do with Madeleine or finding out what happened to her. It's also been served in Portugal under Portuguese law.

Truth is a central feature of any libel case, otherwise it wouldn't be a libel case. The issue of personal hurt and damage to the search have been cited as key arguments, but the prosecution still has to demonstrate that points in Amaral's book are either untrue, or that it wasn't reasonable to make them on the basis of the evidence

I'm happy to leave these things to the Portuguese Court and not pontificate on things outside that.

Joss wrote:

Over The Hill wrote:

aquila wrote:This libel trial has nothing to do with the truth. It is about the content of the suit. It has nothing to do with Madeleine or finding out what happened to her. It's also been served in Portugal under Portuguese law.

Truth is a central feature of any libel case, otherwise it wouldn't be a libel case. The issue of personal hurt and damage to the search have been cited as key arguments, but the prosecution still has to demonstrate that points in Amaral's book are either untrue, or that it wasn't reasonable to make them on the basis of the evidence

I think all they have to figure out in the Libel Trial is if in fact Mr. Amaral libeled the McCann's in any way isn't it?
And my personal opinion is that he didn't.
He was the lead Investigator initially and wrote about his findings and his personal impressions about it all. Nothing wrong with that, it is in the PJ files and supported by the other police officers on his team.

currio wrote:

Joss wrote:

Over The Hill wrote:

aquila wrote:This libel trial has nothing to do with the truth. It is about the content of the suit. It has nothing to do with Madeleine or finding out what happened to her. It's also been served in Portugal under Portuguese law.

Truth is a central feature of any libel case, otherwise it wouldn't be a libel case. The issue of personal hurt and damage to the search have been cited as key arguments, but the prosecution still has to demonstrate that points in Amaral's book are either untrue, or that it wasn't reasonable to make them on the basis of the evidence

I think all they have to figure out in the Libel Trial is if in fact Mr. Amaral libeled the McCann's in any way isn't it?
And my personal opinion is that he didn't.
He was the lead Investigator initially and wrote about his findings and his personal impressions about it all. Nothing wrong with that, it is in the PJ files and supported by the other police officers on his team.

But to throw a spanner into the works, ..... why was he expelled?

bobbin wrote:

currio wrote:

Joss wrote:

Over The Hill wrote:

aquila wrote:This libel trial has nothing to do with the truth. It is about the content of the suit. It has nothing to do with Madeleine or finding out what happened to her. It's also been served in Portugal under Portuguese law.

Truth is a central feature of any libel case, otherwise it wouldn't be a libel case. The issue of personal hurt and damage to the search have been cited as key arguments, but the prosecution still has to demonstrate that points in Amaral's book are either untrue, or that it wasn't reasonable to make them on the basis of the evidence

I think all they have to figure out in the Libel Trial is if in fact Mr. Amaral libeled the McCann's in any way isn't it?
And my personal opinion is that he didn't.
He was the lead Investigator initially and wrote about his findings and his personal impressions about it all. Nothing wrong with that, it is in the PJ files and supported by the other police officers on his team.

But to throw a spanner into the works, ..... why was he expelled?

Dr. Amaral refused to compromise the truth to which he got too close.
The McCs and their supporting entourage clearly believed that they could manipulate the truth to suit themselves but have subsequently discovered that Dr. Amaral is not only intelligent, upright and steadfast but will also not bend under pressure.
He has behaved with dignity at all times, even with compassion.
This, placed in juxtaposition with the McCs and their inconsistencies, their lying and vexatious harassment of Dr. Amaral show them for what they are.
Portugal has been insulted in every way possible, I believe now that Portugal will show the McCs where true dignity lies.
The McCs and their entourage caused Dr. Amaral to be 'removed'.
In so doing, he became freed to take the route he has now taken.
His book, intelligent, mindful of all the legal issues, is the result.
The libel court case is the direct result of the McCs abysmal greed, arrogant self-belief and stupidity.
They sewed a wind, they will reap the whirlwind.
Força Portugal, Força Gonçalo Amaral.

Joss wrote:Does anyone know if there is any truth to the McCann's wanting to drop the Libel charge against Mr. Amaral, but he wanted to go ahead with it all? Just something i read on another article last week.

bobbin wrote:

currio wrote:

Joss wrote:

Over The Hill wrote:

aquila wrote:This libel trial has nothing to do with the truth. It is about the content of the suit. It has nothing to do with Madeleine or finding out what happened to her. It's also been served in Portugal under Portuguese law.

Truth is a central feature of any libel case, otherwise it wouldn't be a libel case. The issue of personal hurt and damage to the search have been cited as key arguments, but the prosecution still has to demonstrate that points in Amaral's book are either untrue, or that it wasn't reasonable to make them on the basis of the evidence

I think all they have to figure out in the Libel Trial is if in fact Mr. Amaral libeled the McCann's in any way isn't it?
And my personal opinion is that he didn't.
He was the lead Investigator initially and wrote about his findings and his personal impressions about it all. Nothing wrong with that, it is in the PJ files and supported by the other police officers on his team.

But to throw a spanner into the works, ..... why was he expelled?

Dr. Amaral refused to compromise the truth to which he got too close.
The McCs and their supporting entourage clearly believed that they could manipulate the truth to suit themselves but have subsequently discovered that Dr. Amaral is not only intelligent, upright and steadfast but will also not bend under pressure.
He has behaved with dignity at all times, even with compassion.
This, placed in juxtaposition with the McCs and their inconsistencies, their lying and vexatious harassment of Dr. Amaral show them for what they are.
Portugal has been insulted in every way possible, I believe now that Portugal will show the McCs where true dignity lies.
The McCs and their entourage caused Dr. Amaral to be 'removed'.
In so doing, he became freed to take the route he has now taken.
His book, intelligent, mindful of all the legal issues, is the result.
The libel court case is the direct result of the McCs abysmal greed, arrogant self-belief and stupidity.
They sewed a wind, they will reap the whirlwind.
Força Portugal, Força Gonçalo Amaral.

currio wrote:

Joss wrote:

Over The Hill wrote:

aquila wrote:This libel trial has nothing to do with the truth. It is about the content of the suit. It has nothing to do with Madeleine or finding out what happened to her. It's also been served in Portugal under Portuguese law.

Truth is a central feature of any libel case, otherwise it wouldn't be a libel case. The issue of personal hurt and damage to the search have been cited as key arguments, but the prosecution still has to demonstrate that points in Amaral's book are either untrue, or that it wasn't reasonable to make them on the basis of the evidence

I think all they have to figure out in the Libel Trial is if in fact Mr. Amaral libeled the McCann's in any way isn't it?
And my personal opinion is that he didn't.
He was the lead Investigator initially and wrote about his findings and his personal impressions about it all. Nothing wrong with that, it is in the PJ files and supported by the other police officers on his team.

But to throw a spanner into the works, ..... why was he expelled?

Cristobell wrote:

Joss wrote:Does anyone know if there is any truth to the McCann's wanting to drop the Libel charge against Mr. Amaral, but he wanted to go ahead with it all? Just something i read on another article last week.

I don't know how far behind I am with this thread Joss, and you may have had a reply.  The case was due to go to Court in January this year but was postponed for 6 months in order for the parties to negotiate a settlement.  It seems the McCanns were prepared to offer almost anything to settle, but Goncalo Amaral insisted on going to Court.  Quite right too.  As he put so eloquently, The world should know the truth of the lie.

joyce1938 wrote:I think ,mr amaral wasn't sacked ,but removed to the faro branchm he I believe himself ,decided that the only way he could tell the truth of his and liecs police  they had agreed with findings too well he decided to leave and later wrote his book that was legal in prtugal as the case was shelved,so I think he was sacked is wrong .joyce1938