LIBEL TRIAL DISCUSSION HERE

candyfloss wrote:This is not very helpful at all....










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Former family liaison officer Ricardo Paiva told the court: 'What is in the book is based on our investigation and contains the professional and personal opinions of Goncalo Amaral as a police officer.

'Everything that is there can be found in the case files.'

Contradicting earlier claims by the McCanns' family and friends that Mr Amaral's book had hindered their search for their daughter by turning the Portuguese public against them, he added: 'The flow of information continued to come in regularly.

Luis Neves, head of a national police unit tasked with investigating organised crime, including kidnappings, said Mr Amaral's conclusion Madeleine was dead was an idea accepted early on by her parents.

He insisted Kate was the driving force behind a failed July 2007 search for Madeleine by controversial ex-south African detective Danie Krugel, who claimed to have invented a machine which could locate a body if provided with a DNA sample

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449861/Kate-McCann-mother-Madeleine-tells-libel-hearing-wants-defend-court-smears-Portuguese-police-over.html#ixzz2h9V3gBjB

 As worriedmum said: How much of this will the British press report? Where will be the screaming headlines to match: 'Arrests soon' and 'Maddie still alive'?

sharonl wrote:How much of this will the British press report?

candyfloss wrote:Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 9m
#McCann libel hearing adjourned until Nov 5. If allowed Madeleine's parents & Amaral expected to speak on same day on or after Nov 27

Another defence witness, Mr Amaral's ex-number two Vitor Tavares de Almeida, was bizarrely dismissed after being asked just one question.



He was overheard on a video link muttering: 'What am I doing here?' before being sent away after admitting he had only read the final two pages of Mr Amaral's book.

candyfloss wrote:The Mail are allowing comments on the article!

candyfloss wrote:

 As worriedmum said: How much of this will the British press report? Where will be the screaming headlines to match: 'Arrests soon' and 'Maddie still alive'?

All there blow by blow, todays evidence in the Daily Mail

melisande wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

 As worriedmum said: How much of this will the British press report? Where will be the screaming headlines to match: 'Arrests soon' and 'Maddie still alive'?

All there blow by blow, todays evidence in the Daily Mail

No comments allowed.  Pity, would make very interesting reading.

candyfloss wrote:

melisande wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

 As worriedmum said: How much of this will the British press report? Where will be the screaming headlines to match: 'Arrests soon' and 'Maddie still alive'?

All there blow by blow, todays evidence in the Daily Mail

No comments allowed.  Pity, would make very interesting reading.

Yes, I thought when I originally looked they were.

Sceptic wrote:

sharonl wrote:How much of this will the British press report?

This much
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449861/Kate-McCann-mother-Madeleine-tells-libel-hearing-wants-defend-court-smears-Portuguese-police-over.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Daily Mail wrote:It is thought Gerry and Kate, 45, will appeal directly to a kidnapper during the programme.

sallypelt wrote:

He insisted Kate was the driving force behind a failed July 2007 search for Madeleine by controversial ex-south African detective Danie Krugel, who claimed to have invented a machine which could locate a body if provided with a DNA sample

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449861/Kate-McCann-mother-Madeleine-tells-libel-hearing-wants-defend-court-smears-Portuguese-police-over.html#ixzz2h9V3gBjB

I've always believed that Kate wanted Madeleine's body to be found, but the McCann's didn't expect the scent of death to be found in the apartment. That threw a spanner in the works, and from then on, the McCann's had to discredit every bit of evidence that pointed to Madeleine being dead in the apartment.

sharonl wrote:Extracts from the Daily Mail article:


Former family liaison officer Ricardo Paiva told the court: 'What is in the book is based on our investigation and contains the professional and personal opinions of Goncalo Amaral as a police officer.

'Everything that is there can be found in the case files.'

Contradicting earlier claims by the McCanns' family and friends that Mr Amaral's book had hindered their search for their daughter by turning the Portuguese public against them, he added: 'The flow of information continued to come in regularly.

'Neither this book or any other book affected the flow of information.'

Luis Neves, head of a national police unit tasked with investigating organised crime, including kidnappings, said Mr Amaral's conclusion Madeleine was dead was an idea accepted early on by her parents.

He insisted Kate was the driving force behind a failed July 2007 search for Madeleine by controversial ex-south African detective Danie Krugel, who claimed to have invented a machine which could locate a body if provided with a DNA sample.

Neves said the reservations he felt over Mr Krugel were shared by colleagues about sniffer dogs supplied by British police which went on to smell the 'scent of death' in the McCanns' holiday apartment and place a huge question mark over the hypothesis Madeleine was kidnapped.

The performance of the dogs was later called into question after they also reacted to remains at Haut de la Garenne orphanage in Jersey, which were later found to be animal bones.

NOTE: This is disputed. At least the Mail doesn't say (as other newspapers have done) that Eddie alerted to a coconut

Mr Neves told the court: 'The McCanns convinced us we should bring in the South African man with his equipment.

'We didn't want to place any obstacles in the way and so the investigating officers eventually allowed it.

'It was during this part of the investigation our British colleagues said there was a team made up of dogs and their handlers that could help us to find out where the child could be buried.

'It was from then on that the Algarve police division decided to allow the dogs to come and the idea of Madeleine's death began to form and things took another direction.

'I know the suggestion of the dogs was not accepted lightly.

'We had no experience of it in Portugal and the cost was another factor.'

Retired police officer Francisco Moita Flores, now a TV commentator, described the Madeleine McCann investigation as one of the 'most complex and well-investigated cases' he had had ever seen and called Mr Amaral 'competent.'

He insisted the Tapas Nine - the McCanns and the friends dining with them at a tapas bar near their apartment the night Madeleine disappeared - should have had their phones tapped because of 'inconsistencies' in their statements.

Attacking the ongoing Home Office-funded Met Police investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, called Operation Grange, he told the court: 'There's a prophetic and dogmatic vision behind it. 'These detectives are only putting forward the hypothesis of abduction.'

Judge Maria Emilio Melo e Castro stopped lawyers on both sides asking Mr Amaral's former police colleagues what they thought about his conclusions on Madeleine and her parents in his book because they were 'opinions' and not 'facts.'

She waved the book in her hand as she demanded to know from Ricardo Paiva: 'The back cover says it contains exclusive revelations.

'What's new in the book that's not in the police files?'

Told by Mr Paiva, 'Nothing', she replied: 'Ok, so then I have to conclude this is misleading advertising.'

Another defence witness, Mr Amaral's ex-number two Vitor Tavares de Almeida, was bizarrely dismissed after being asked just one question.

The police chief, still a serving officer despite being convicted in January of torturing a crime suspect and receiving a two and a half suspended jail sentence, has previously claimed he believes the McCanns concealed Madeleine's body.

He was overheard on a video link muttering: 'What am I doing here?' before being sent away after admitting he had only read the final two pages of Mr Amaral's book.

Mr Amaral denies defamation. The case continues.

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Note:  I am not at all sure that the judge is leaning towards Goncalo Amaral. It sounds as though she did not accept Paiva's answer that there were no 'new revelations' in the book. She sounded impatient.  If Tavares de Almeida had only read two pages of Amaral's book, that is most unfortunate. Has this been correctly reported by the Mail?

Perhaps this gives better insight into the exchange....

1. Jerry Lawton ‏
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   judge says book cover says it contains `exclusive revelations'..`ok so then I have to conclude this is misleading advertising', #McCann
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2. anne guedes ‏
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   @JerryLawton @xklamation The judge asked whether she had to conclude this. She embarassed the witness 3 times, repeating the question.
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3. Joana Morais ‏
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   @aacg Which witnness? And she should have posed thar question to the book publishers imo.
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4. anne guedes ‏
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   @xklamation Paiva. It was extremely well done ! I wish you could hear their voices !
   

plebgate wrote:Snipped from today's Daily Mail article:
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Judge Maria Emilia Melo e Castro, referring to Kate by her maiden name as she revealed her change of heart, said: 'On October 2 Kate Healy made an application to make a statement to this court.

'The court will decide on this application once evidence has been heard by both sides as only then will it be it able to judge on the need for and the pertinence of this application.'

If given the go-ahead, the McCanns and Mr Amaral are expected to speak on the same day on or after November 27 when the last hearing in the trial at Lisbon's Palace of Justice is scheduled."


Why would the judge refer to Mrs. by her maiden name - was it her maiden name on the" application to be heard"  to the court.

If so,  why use her maiden name - is it possible that the rumours of a break up are true?

Is it legal to use your maiden name on an application to court if you are married and have legally taken your husband's surname?