for the benefit of Carter-Ruck. Your clients LIE

tcat wrote:I agree about the night of May 3/4, but by the end of May 4 PdL is full of press and TV and they're doing most of the work for him, spreading the abduction story and they're not bothering to do much investigating or wondering why Gerry interrupts Kate in her first speech to the press after she strays from the script in front of her. I think by then the press and TV are all caught up in the emotional explosion back in the UK, the way Blacksmith describes, and many of them are probably experiencing the emotion themselves - even hard bitten, cynical journalists. It's a awful lot easier to believe in the bogeyman being responsible than it is to start thinking about the alternative, and few people were that early I think. I know I wasn't, watching on TV (though I knew they were acting weirdly, I chose to ignore it)

aquila wrote:

tcat wrote:I agree about the night of May 3/4, but by the end of May 4 PdL is full of press and TV and they're doing most of the work for him, spreading the abduction story and they're not bothering to do much investigating or wondering why Gerry interrupts Kate in her first speech to the press after she strays from the script in front of her. I think by then the press and TV are all caught up in the emotional explosion back in the UK, the way Blacksmith describes, and many of them are probably experiencing the emotion themselves - even hard bitten, cynical journalists. It's a awful lot easier to believe in the bogeyman being responsible than it is to start thinking about the alternative, and few people were that early I think. I know I wasn't, watching on TV (though I knew they were acting weirdly, I chose to ignore it)

The emergency services turn up to atrocious sights. The police generally turn up before any other service to civilian atrocities. There was no apparent atrocity in PDL. There was no heinous crime, no body, no child killing, there was simply a missing little girl. Hard-bitten, cynical journalists wouldn't bat an eyelid in that situation imo. It's just a good opportunity for a story. There was no emotional explosion in UK on that day other than a child had gone missing in Portugal. All this happened within hours of Madeleine's disappearance. Now that's a hell of a lot of contacts to get things rolling in such a short space of time imo.

ETA. Let's not do down our journalists. Journalists who cover murders/rapes/assaults and the subsequent trials are far more likely to feel emotional. What exactly was there to feel emotional about on 4th May to a seasoned reporter?

PeterMac wrote:

tigger wrote:I take back everything I've thought and said about JC. Clearly somebody who has the brains to research the Fitzpatrick case could have done the same for the McCann affair, but getting tied up in a multi million 'enterprise' by the needy Murdoch empire would stop the best of journalists.

Well quite. We discussed it over a beer a few weeks ago, and I found he actually knew very little about the case. No reason why he should, of course. In the last 4 years he has covered thousands of stories, whereas I / we have covered just one. With Fitzpatrick I don't think anyone else has been involved, other than the Irish press, which seems to lack MI's power to corrupt, other than what he has syndicated to them from time to time.

PeterMac wrote:[Jon Clarke of The Olive Press]He was rung very early in the morning...

Portia wrote:Is there any chance that IVF-Kate and IVF Rebekkah knew each other in England before Maddie went to Portugal (if she did)?

PeterMac wrote:He was rung very early in the morning, grabbed his bag, and went.
For me the question has merely been put back a step.

Who knew that M would not be found ? Within a couple of hours, dead at the bottom of a trench, dead by the side of a road hit by a car, floating in the sea, alive and playing hide and seek, alive in the local hospital, alive at the Police station trying to find out who she was, alive with a kindly neighbour waiting for first light to ring the police and say they had found her wandering ......

Who managed to convince the Sun, Mail, Sky et al. that she had been "abducted' and was not simply missing.
How did they convince the media of this within a few hours, so that the media would spend money on sending a journalist from an another country to investigate.

PeterMac wrote:He was rung very early in the morning, grabbed his bag, and went.
For me the question has merely been put back a step.

Who knew that M would not be found ? Within a couple of hours, dead at the bottom of a trench, dead by the side of a road hit by a car, floating in the sea, alive and playing hide and seek, alive in the local hospital, alive at the Police station trying to find out who she was, alive with a kindly neighbour waiting for first light to ring the police and say they had found her wandering ......

Who managed to convince the Sun, Mail, Sky et al. that she had been "abducted' and was not simply missing.
How did they convince the media of this within a few hours, so that the media would spend money on sending a journalist from an another country to investigate.

Portia wrote:If Kate and Rebekkah hail from the same region, and they both have the same infertility problems they appear to be having, is it totally beyond imagining they may have met before, at some hospital or IVF clinic, discussing their common predicament?

In this whole sorry affair, one thing is clear: it has been masterminded from the start and tightly controlled.
So: when was that start precisely? And who is the mastermind?

Who was in a position to order the British authorities to dispatch a senior ambassador to a sleepy hamlet to assist two negligent nobodies?
Who was proven afterward, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to be able to do just that?

Who has the brains, the motive, the experience, the connections, the stamina and the sheer coldblooded brazenness to initiate such a scheme and milk it for every penny that could be squeezed out of it?

Making millions for themselves and some of the other participants?

Which Freud was that, in PdL? Which Murdoch?

Oh, and, by the way, where exactly was ms Rebekkah Wade at the time of the disappearance of Maddie McCann? Do we know whether she was there, at the NI/NOTW/Suns offices, waiting for THE midnight phonecall to kick off the whole diabolical Schlieffen Plan designed to make poor little Maddie famous and a Murdoch cash calve?

Kate & Gerry did not volunteer for the Leveson Inquiry without good cause and premeditation: after the Milly Dowler fiasco they had to be seen to be cutting the umblical cords with Murdoch and his lot. Including Rebekkah Dear.

tigger wrote: Someone already knew? Someone who might also have alerted the British Ambassador to Portugal so that he too, could arrive early in PdL. Imo the ambassador was told to go, there's no reason why he should concern himself with these holiday makers - a job for the local consul - at most the Consul General.
It would fit the interwoven pattern of politicians and media at the top of the ladder as seen in many other cases.
Which also argues for a much earlier alarm call - well before 3/5. imo Priming the pump so to speak.

jd wrote:

tigger wrote: Someone already knew? Someone who might also have alerted the British Ambassador to Portugal so that he too, could arrive early in PdL. Imo the ambassador was told to go, there's no reason why he should concern himself with these holiday makers - a job for the local consul - at most the Consul General.
It would fit the interwoven pattern of politicians and media at the top of the ladder as seen in many other cases.
Which also argues for a much earlier alarm call - well before 3/5. imo Priming the pump so to speak.

The owner of the Ocean Club is David Symington. David's nephew John Symington is (was) Britains' Honorary Consul in Porto and a colleague of former British Ambassador in Portugal John Buck (who was consul to the McCanns)

Justice Hogg is made the 'legal guardian' (ward of court) of Madeleine McCann. Justice Hogg's sister-in-law is Baroness Hogg (Sarah Hogg) former Head of the Downing Street Policy Unit for Sir John Major and former Chief Govenor at the BBC (she is also a Blair ally). Baroness Hogg's 3i company invests in Brian Kennedy and Control Risks Group.

Portia wrote:If Kate and Rebekkah hail from the same region, and they both have the same infertility problems they appear to be having, is it totally beyond imagining they may have met before, at some hospital or IVF clinic, discussing their common predicament?

In this whole sorry affair, one thing is clear: it has been masterminded from the start and tightly controlled.
So: when was that start precisely? And who is the mastermind?

Who was in a position to order the British authorities to dispatch a senior ambassador to a sleepy hamlet to assist two negligent nobodies?
Who was proven afterward, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to be able to do just that?

Who has the brains, the motive, the experience, the connections, the stamina and the sheer coldblooded brazenness to initiate such a scheme and milk it for every penny that could be squeezed out of it?

Making millions for themselves and some of the other participants?

Which Freud was that, in PdL? Which Murdoch?

Oh, and, by the way, where exactly was ms Rebekkah Wade at the time of the disappearance of Maddie McCann? Do we know whether she was there, at the NI/NOTW/Suns offices, waiting for THE midnight phonecall to kick off the whole diabolical Schlieffen Plan designed to make poor little Maddie famous and a Murdoch cash calve?

Kate & Gerry did not volunteer for the Leveson Inquiry without good cause and premeditation: after the Milly Dowler fiasco they had to be seen to be cutting the umblical cords with Murdoch and his lot. Including Rebekkah Dear.

friedtomatoes wrote:i forgot to mention kate mccann, says she would never act like people online but she calls police officers fkn t**** smashes beds, never for a second went out that night to search, not a nanosecond to search for her child, no mother would bot do this, and slags off people who tried to help and also professionals who had no vested interestes but were dloing their job, bit defensive our katie, how about answering all those questions, after all u said would leave n o stone unturned,
katey is a liar just like her pinocchio hubby i hope theyboth end up in JAIL where they BELONG

ShuBob wrote:This question may be off-topic for this thread but I'd like to know if journalists are obliged to report anomalies to the police i.e. statements which have been proven to be lies given by the McCanns and their cohorts to various journalists? Lori Campbell made up her own tales to tell about Murat but do journalists (regular rather than investigative) usually help the police in this way?

ShuBob wrote:Thanks Tony.

I would imagine it would be more likely for journalists to report anomalies to police in cases like those of Karen Matthews and the Philpotts. In the Chris Huhne/Vicky Pryce case, the CPS had to go to court to compel the Sunday Times to reveal potential evidence. I don't imagine David James Smith, author of "Beyond the smears" would have run to the police at the earliest opportunity after reading facts in the archiving despatch.