Wednesday 2nd of May

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aiyoyo wrote:I don't believe mccanns ever say publicly that she has a coloboma. They mentioned it was a tiny fleck.
The coloboma was originated or attributed to her by police or posters whatever IIRC.
It was a misconception that the fleck kate mentioned could be coloboma. Did the tabloid ever report it as a "coloboma"?
Far as I know mccanns never use the word coloboma. In short the word didnt originate from her.

G. MCCANN: Certainly believe it wouldn't have changed. I think there's been a pattern to be still there. That it's -- the technical term is coloboma, where there's a defect in the iris. I don't think it is actually. I think it's actually an additional bit of color. She certainly had no visual problems.

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Treatment and management
Colobomas may be accompanied by other problems that may be neurological or chromosomal in nature. In addition, some genetic syndromes also include coloboma as part of the disorder's potential findings. More importantly, a specific combination of abnormalities identified by the acronym CHARGE must also be considered when a diagnosis of coloboma is made.


The medical condition known as CHARGE association is a very rare and serious condition. Individuals that have the condition will require attention from several specialists and treatment from an early age. Colobomas are usually one of the findings in individuals with CHARGE. The disorder includes these problems:

• (C)oloboma
• (H)eart defects
• (A)tresia of the choanae, which is a blockage of the nasal passages
• (R)etarded growth and development
• (G)enital hypoplasia, which occurs when the testes do not descend properly
• (E)ar abnormalities
While there is no specific treatment for coloboma, some treatments are available that can manage vision problems associated with the disorder. For example, physicians often recommend cosmetic contact lenses and sunglasses for individuals whose eyesight is adversely affected. Additional optical aids are often helpful such as eye patching. Since many indivduals with coloboma are highly sensitive to light, opthalmologists often recommend special lights or other personalized visual aids.

Far as I know mccanns never use the word coloboma. In short the word didnt originate from her.

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aiyoyo wrote:I don't believe mccanns ever say publicly that she has a coloboma. They mentioned it was a tiny fleck.
The coloboma was originated or attributed to her by police or posters whatever IIRC.
It was a misconception that the fleck kate mentioned could be coloboma. Did the tabloid ever report it as a "coloboma"?
Far as I know mccanns never use the word coloboma. In short the word didnt originate from her.

G. MCCANN: Certainly believe it wouldn't have changed. I think there's been a pattern to be still there. That it's -- the technical term is coloboma, where there's a defect in the iris. I don't think it is actually. I think it's actually an additional bit of color. She certainly had no visual problems.

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friedtomatoes wrote:For what it is worth, the photo of Madeleine in the play area in the playhouse is said to have been taken on the Wednesday. IIRC it was either in the book by the mother or stated as such in a recent newspaper article.

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friedtomatoes wrote:For what it is worth, the photo of Madeleine in the play area in the playhouse is said to have been taken on the Wednesday. IIRC it was either in the book by the mother or stated as such in a recent newspaper article.

That's weird, because I thought it was supposed to be the day they arrived. I've never thought it was Maddie for 'stupid' reasons:
the smile is confident and carefree - not often seen in Maddie.
The clothes look like the ones on the bus, but fit better and tighter and are pretty. The shoes - never heard of or seen again, look new.
Her height doesn't correspond to that of the tennis girl, who is taller.
She looks older than the pool photo girl.
I think (just my own opinion) that the front four teeth look closer together.
She looks very healthy.

If that is Maddie, IMO that photo was taken on the Saturday at the latest. But there are a lot of things wrong with the other playground photo, so for me the whole playground photoshoot is suspect.
To conclude: why only two photographs from the playground? Is that all they could manage? Not Maddie playing with the twins? All together in the little house? Two photographs for a playground session seems - not a lot!

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Miraflores wrote:I always assumed that the original photo was used because it clearly showed the coloboma (which they have now decided they didn't make much of). The supposed last photo, and the tennis girl photo don't show this clearly.

I've always assumed that the coloboma, which I didn't believe long before they came clean, was a very useful marketing ploy.
1) they need not travel all over the place to verify whether a child was Maddie or not (likely to be thousands at the start)
2) it was a tremendous 'unique selling point' in marketing terms (they even tried to get Google to use their OO's)
3) IMO it was dropped because four years later, after the debacle of their entire plan, they desperately needed sightings to keep those who still believed them interested and to keep their headlines in the tabloids.

The photograph used with the coloboma added - was a masterstroke, which leads me to suspect planning and marketing advice. USP - the first thing hammered into you when you start a business. Besides, do you have a photograph of your child 18 months earlier still on your camera? Shouldn't that camera then have many hundreds of photographs on it taken between that time and the holiday?

It's as well to remember when discussing this case that we are not dealing with 'ordinary' people. I'm sure they'd agree - but no for the same reasons.

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aiyoyo wrote:Oh, forgot to say, I did find it strange Kate made absolutely no mention of Maddie's past at all in her bewk, as if Maddie had no history.
You would think a proud mum would at least remember everything about her child, especially a lost child makes everything poignant -- her school, mates , friends, best friend, her likes and dislikes, hobbies, favourite food, events, outings, etc etc.

Also, you would think in time like this, any parent would have mentioned and thanked Maddie's friends who asked, talked, remembered, or shared about Maddie, but NO, zilch, nothing. Kate tells us nothing about Maddie's friends as if she has none or she didnt attend school.
How strange that kate heard nothing from Maddie's friends or parents of her friends, to commiserate with mccanns or to show concern over Maddie's plight! Those are things a normal mum would talk and write about, and go on and on about until people get sicked and tired of hearing it.

Kate told us nothing about Maddie at all, other than "she's lovely". An inanimate thing or an abstract thing can also be lovely.

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aiyoyo wrote:Oh, forgot to say, I did find it strange Kate made absolutely no mention of Maddie's past at all in her bewk, as if Maddie had no history.
You would think a proud mum would at least remember everything about her child, especially a lost child makes everything poignant -- her school, mates , friends, best friend, her likes and dislikes, hobbies, favourite food, events, outings, etc etc.

Also, you would think in time like this, any parent would have mentioned and thanked Maddie's friends who asked, talked, remembered, or shared about Maddie, but NO, zilch, nothing. Kate tells us nothing about Maddie's friends as if she has none or she didnt attend school.
How strange that kate heard nothing from Maddie's friends or parents of her friends, to commiserate with mccanns or to show concern over Maddie's plight! Those are things a normal mum would talk and write about, and go on and on about until people get sicked and tired of hearing it.

Kate told us nothing about Maddie at all, other than "she's lovely". An inanimate thing or an abstract thing can also be lovely.

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friedtomatoes wrote:For what it is worth, the photo of Madeleine in the play area in the playhouse is said to have been taken on the Wednesday. IIRC it was either in the book by the mother or stated as such in a recent newspaper article.

That's weird, because I thought it was supposed to be the day they arrived. I've never thought it was Maddie for 'stupid' reasons:
the smile is confident and carefree - not often seen in Maddie.
The clothes look like the ones on the bus, but fit better and tighter and are pretty. The shoes - never heard of or seen again, look new.
Her height doesn't correspond to that of the tennis girl, who is taller.
She looks older than the pool photo girl.
I think (just my own opinion) that the front four teeth look closer together.
She looks very healthy.

If that is Maddie, IMO that photo was taken on the Saturday at the latest. But there are a lot of things wrong with the other playground photo, so for me the whole playground photoshoot is suspect.
To conclude: why only two photographs from the playground? Is that all they could manage? Not Maddie playing with the twins? All together in the little house? Two photographs for a playground session seems - not a lot!

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tigger wrote:

friedtomatoes wrote:For what it is worth, the photo of Madeleine in the play area in the playhouse is said to have been taken on the Wednesday. IIRC it was either in the book by the mother or stated as such in a recent newspaper article.

That's weird, because I thought it was supposed to be the day they arrived. I've never thought it was Maddie for 'stupid' reasons:
the smile is confident and carefree - not often seen in Maddie.
The clothes look like the ones on the bus, but fit better and tighter and are pretty. The shoes - never heard of or seen again, look new.
Her height doesn't correspond to that of the tennis girl, who is taller.
She looks older than the pool photo girl.
I think (just my own opinion) that the front four teeth look closer together.
She looks very healthy.

If that is Maddie, IMO that photo was taken on the Saturday at the latest. But there are a lot of things wrong with the other playground photo, so for me the whole playground photoshoot is suspect.
To conclude: why only two photographs from the playground? Is that all they could manage? Not Maddie playing with the twins? All together in the little house? Two photographs for a playground session seems - not a lot!

The police must know when that photograph was taken. Remember the tall dark man standing behind the playhouse - did it not turn out he was an off duty Portugese police officer. All the PJ had to do was ask him when he was there ?

russiandoll wrote:Did one of the posters not say look for Maddies coloboma? The parents would at least have had approval over that even if not thought up by them?

HiDeHo wrote:There are photos not released as well as the 150 black and white photos which I separated and numbered but have yet to identify most.

Title: B/W Photos Full Size in order (approx)
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Title: B/W Playground Photos
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As far as the day the playground pics were taken.....if it was on Saturday (as some of the children seem to have the same clothing as the bus video as well as Gerry possibly wearing the same tshirt also in the last picture)) it is possible Madeleine's trousers were changed if they were scuffed on the slip she made on the plane steps.

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HiDeHo wrote:There are photos not released as well as the 150 black and white photos which I separated and numbered but have yet to identify most.

Title: B/W Photos Full Size in order (approx)
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Title: B/W Playground Photos
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As far as the day the playground pics were taken.....if it was on Saturday (as some of the children seem to have the same clothing as the bus video as well as Gerry possibly wearing the same tshirt also in the last picture)) it is possible Madeleine's trousers were changed if they were scuffed on the slip she made on the plane steps.

But that is buying into the idea that they have lied about the Wednesday because Madeleine was dead by then, which begs the question of why would two nannies lie about seeing her on the Thursday.

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friedtomatoes wrote:

HiDeHo wrote:There are photos not released as well as the 150 black and white photos which I separated and numbered but have yet to identify most.

Title: B/W Photos Full Size in order (approx)
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As far as the day the playground pics were taken.....if it was on Saturday (as some of the children seem to have the same clothing as the bus video as well as Gerry possibly wearing the same tshirt also in the last picture)) it is possible Madeleine's trousers were changed if they were scuffed on the slip she made on the plane steps.

But that is buying into the idea that they have lied about the Wednesday because Madeleine was dead by then, which begs the question of why would two nannies lie about seeing her on the Thursday.

I have done extensive research into when Madeleine was last seen and the only specific 'sighting' of Madeleine is the cleaners daughter on Sunday afternoon.

Not ONE of any other witness statements is proof of seeing her. It doesn't prove she WASN'T 'around' during the holiday, but it doesn't prove she WAS. (imo)

Title: Who Saw Madeleine?- Credibility & Statement Highlights
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sami wrote:friedtomatoes - I would be surprised if they did not try to establish when the photographs they were provided with were taken, in particular having regard to the doubt as to the source of the ones that were alleged to have been printed on the night she was reported missing.

I did not read about the policeman through conspiracy bloggers, it was through an article written by what has been, up to now anyway, a credible source. Indeed his name and police station to which he was attached were published. He appeared also in that photo with Neill Berry and the police dog. I was not aware it was a forum myth, I am surprised at that.

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sami wrote:friedtomatoes - I would be surprised if they did not try to establish when the photographs they were provided with were taken, in particular having regard to the doubt as to the source of the ones that were alleged to have been printed on the night she was reported missing.

I did not read about the policeman through conspiracy bloggers, it was through an article written by what has been, up to now anyway, a credible source. Indeed his name and police station to which he was attached were published. He appeared also in that photo with Neill Berry and the police dog. I was not aware it was a forum myth, I am surprised at that.

Care to elaborate? My point about the photos being investigated time wise was merely about the PJ accepting the chikd was alive on Thursday.

candyfloss wrote:We have the letter or email from Phil Edmonds who said he had a picture taken of Madeleine with his children on 3rd May, it is somewhere on this forum, so googled and found it on link below...

Philip Edmonds claimed that on 3 May 2007 Madeleine was captured on a photo, together with his three boys. Despite the immense value this might have had in settling arguments about Madeleine's movements on 3 May, neither he nor the McCanns ever produced it.

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HiDeHo wrote:There are photos not released as well as the 150 black and white photos which I separated and numbered but have yet to identify most.

Title: B/W Photos Full Size in order (approx)
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Title: B/W Playground Photos
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As far as the day the playground pics were taken.....if it was on Saturday (as some of the children seem to have the same clothing as the bus video as well as Gerry possibly wearing the same tshirt also in the last picture)) it is possible Madeleine's trousers were changed if they were scuffed on the slip she made on the plane steps.