Re: 'Daddy, daddy' or 'Maddie, Maddie?'

by Advocatus 19.01.12 19:21

Jean wrote:It is hard to believe all the coincidences with McCanns all over the place but it is a very common name in Liverpool. Ruth isn't a McCann by birth - she was married to Michael McCann who died in 2006 if I remember rightly.

Fair enough, but there is still a name connection, even if deceased in 2006, when did they own the apartment, for how long? It is a possibility, I agree remote, but anyways, thanks for the information! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by Miraflores 19.01.12 19:33

Jean wrote:It is hard to believe all the coincidences with McCanns all over the place but it is a very common name in Liverpool. Ruth isn't a McCann by birth - she was married to Michael McCann who died in 2006 if I remember rightly.

And don't forget that Gerry is not from Liverpool but from Glasgow. Now if all these other McCanns came from there it would be much more suspicious in my opinion.

by Praia 19.01.12 19:38

Then we have Pauline McCann from Derry with the McCann's in her area at Easter. She arrrives in Luz the same weekend they do.

by uppatoffee 19.01.12 20:03

Praia wrote:Then we have Pauline McCann from Derry with the McCann's in her area at Easter. She arrrives in Luz the same weekend they do.

Praia, can i ask how you know Pauline is from Derry? I have been unable to find anything about her. Ta!

by Praia 19.01.12 20:07

Read it,saw it last a few hours ago. Will check. Named her parents as well.

by rainbow-fairy 19.01.12 21:13

jd wrote:
Advocatus wrote:
Stella wrote:I seem to remember a statement in the files from Pauline saying that she is not related to Gerry. I cannot access PJfiles right now, but I think it is there.

Wasn't 5a a sub-let owned by a private person? MWarner let it out and took a fee.

I seem to recall it was owned by a McCann family from Liverpool [no relation we were told...!!!???!!! ]

Or am I imagining things?

I believe 5a is still unsold after all these years, price dropped by about half...

Ruth McCann from liverpool. She denies any connection to the mccanns of course

She denies it, of course, but the question is - do we believe her?
I don't! Waaayy too couincidental - its not like McCann is a run-of-the-mill name (though followers of this case could be forgiven for thinking so!?!) Were it Smith, Jones or even Brown(!) it wouldn't be as odd, but all these McCann's crawling out of the woodwork? Sorry no, I don't buy it.
Renting an apartment owned by a McCann 'with no connection' is one thing, and coincidence enough. But to then have another 'unconnected' McCann arrive in PdL, to be a nanny on the 29th April!?! come on... I just can't see it! Obviously its just my opinion and I could be totally wrong, but...

by Daisy 19.01.12 21:38

Like Praia, I've previously read that Pauline McCann came from Londonderry. However, this document from the PJ files says - Scotland.

Parents names: Edward & Margaret McCann

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by uppatoffee 19.01.12 21:50

Thanks for that Daisy. smilie

According to the Scottish records, she is the only Pauline Frances McCann, born 1965 in Bothwell, Lanarkshire.

I have yet to find any connection between the various different McCann participants in this affair. However I would say that given that McCanns tend to be of Irish, often Catholic origin, it is an obviously and incredibly common name. I shall however keep searching!

by Praia 19.01.12 22:02

Nationality does not mean she was not living in Derry. She was born in Scotland but after...?

by Advocatus 19.01.12 22:05

rainbow-fairy wrote:
jd wrote:
Advocatus wrote:
Stella wrote:I seem to remember a statement in the files from Pauline saying that she is not related to Gerry. I cannot access PJfiles right now, but I think it is there.

Wasn't 5a a sub-let owned by a private person? MWarner let it out and took a fee.

I seem to recall it was owned by a McCann family from Liverpool [no relation we were told...!!!???!!! ]

Or am I imagining things?

I believe 5a is still unsold after all these years, price dropped by about half...

Ruth McCann from liverpool. She denies any connection to the mccanns of course
She denies it, of course, but the question is - do we believe her?
I don't! Waaayy too couincidental - its not like McCann is a run-of-the-mill name (though followers of this case could be forgiven for thinking so!?!) Were it Smith, Jones or even Brown(!) it wouldn't be as odd, but all these McCann's crawling out of the woodwork? Sorry no, I don't buy it.
Renting an apartment owned by a McCann 'with no connection' is one thing, and coincidence enough. But to then have another 'unconnected' McCann arrive in PdL, to be a nanny on the 29th April!?! come on... I just can't see it! Obviously its just my opinion and I could be totally wrong, but...

I don't buy it either, any of it, this whole case is infested with almost comically absurd "coincidences"...

ONCE IS HAPPENSTANCE

TWICE IS COINCIDENCE

THRICE IS ***ENEMY ACTION*** lol4

by Daisy 19.01.12 22:11

uppatoffee wrote:Thanks for that Daisy. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

According to the Scottish records, she is the only Pauline Frances McCann, born 1965 in Bothwell, Lanarkshire.

I have yet to find any connection between the various different McCann participants in this affair. However I would say that given that McCanns tend to be of Irish, often Catholic origin, it is an obviously and incredibly common name. I shall however keep searching!

Which happens to be just on the outskirts of Glasgow? And then she's meant to be living in Londonderry, where Gerry's family originated from. So so many coincidences.

by Advocatus 19.01.12 22:21

Daisy wrote:
uppatoffee wrote:Thanks for that Daisy. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

According to the Scottish records, she is the only Pauline Frances McCann, born 1965 in Bothwell, Lanarkshire.

I have yet to find any connection between the various different McCann participants in this affair. However I would say that given that McCanns tend to be of Irish, often Catholic origin, it is an obviously and incredibly common name. I shall however keep searching!

Which happens to be just on the outskirts of Glasgow? And then she's meant to be living in Londonderry, where Gerry's family originated from. So so many coincidences.

Sher isn't it a small world, to be sure, to be sure... lol4

by uppatoffee 19.01.12 22:28

Daisy wrote:
uppatoffee wrote:Thanks for that Daisy. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

According to the Scottish records, she is the only Pauline Frances McCann, born 1965 in Bothwell, Lanarkshire.

I have yet to find any connection between the various different McCann participants in this affair. However I would say that given that McCanns tend to be of Irish, often Catholic origin, it is an obviously and incredibly common name. I shall however keep searching!

Which happens to be just on the outskirts of Glasgow? And then she's meant to be living in Londonderry, where Gerry's family originated from. So so many coincidences.

She's actually from Bellshill I think, although the link you supplied says Bellshell. Perhaps she is related to the elusive great Uncle Hughie who may or may not be dead? Edward could be his son? Just a thought. Dates would probably be about right.

by Praia 19.01.12 23:16

Would a 42 year old (in 2007) be working as a nanny in MW. I don't believe they are the same Pauline.

by jd 20.01.12 0:20

Renting an apartment owned by a McCann 'with no connection' is one thing, and coincidence enough. But to then have another 'unconnected' McCann arrive in PdL, to be a nanny on the 29th April!?! come on... I just can't see it! Obviously its just my opinion and I could be totally wrong, but...

I don't buy it either, not in the slightest. And then we have the pennington connections too on top

by rainbow-fairy 20.01.12 7:23

jd wrote:
rainbow-fairy wrote:Renting an apartment owned by a McCann 'with no connection' is one thing, and coincidence enough. But to then have another 'unconnected' McCann arrive in PdL, to be a nanny on the 29th April!?! come on... I just can't see it! Obviously its just my opinion and I could be totally wrong, but...

I don't buy it either, not in the slightest. And then we have the pennington connections too on top

Exactly, jd... Just doesn't work for me to believe that all these 'unconnected' and 'privately connected' people just coincidentally happened to converge on PdL at the same time - its ludicrous!
As an example, families where parents and each child share the same birthday make headlines because the coincidence is so big, or probability is so low.
Since living where I do, I've had two accidents in separate cars. Both times, the same lady has driven past and helped me out. Coincidence enough. Were I to find myself in another country, having a car accident, she were to drive past me again... You get the idea. The probability is so low as to be almost impossible. A bit like all the links and non-links in this case...

by uppatoffee 20.01.12 7:25

Praia wrote:Would a 42 year old (in 2007) be working as a nanny in MW. I don't believe they are the same Pauline.

I think she's definitely a lot older than the others. I think her photo looks like she could be 42.

by Guest 20.01.12 9:12

Is her photo in the files?

by uppatoffee 20.01.12 9:13

Stella wrote:Is her photo in the files?

Yep it's here
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by Praia 20.01.12 9:14

Upatoffee Yes I took another look and PM does look a lot older than the rest. So we have a McCann working in different places along the Algarve since 2002. She arrives the same day as the nine. She would have a lot of contacts in various places. I wonder was she bunking in with the other staff in the blue and white house. Hard to imagine a 42 Year old sharing with a load of young girls who are there to enjoy themselves. Maybe she had her own accommadation?

by jd 20.01.12 9:20

Praia wrote:Upatoffee Yes I took another look and PM does look a lot older than the rest. So we have a McCann working in different places along the Algarve since 2002. She arrives the same day as the nine. She would have a lot of contacts in various places. I wonder was she bunking in with the other staff in the blue and white house. Hard to imagine a 42 Year old sharing with a load of young girls who are there to enjoy themselves. Maybe she had her own accommadation?

maybe she had the extra bed?

by Praia 20.01.12 9:24

She says she shares an apt. with the other girls which seems a bit strange. Like being back at college.

by Upsy Daisy 20.01.12 14:18

just going back to the noise travelling through the apartment block............. I am wondering then, why did Mrs Fenn not hear MORE if the noise carried so well, surely if an accident had happened she would have heard more and heard what happened, crying, screaming, panic, chaos, etc..... so would this not point to 'it' happening outwith the apartment and comings and goings 'staged' to make it seem as if daily life was going on, etc. except the twins had been moved to another apartment. I believe that Mrs Fenn was out some of the times but the McCanns would not have known when and would have had to stage everything assuming she was in.??

by russiandoll 20.01.12 18:56

Advocatus wrote:
jd wrote:
Advocatus wrote:
Stella wrote:I seem to remember a statement in the files from Pauline saying that she is not related to Gerry. I cannot access PJfiles right now, but I think it is there.

Wasn't 5a a sub-let owned by a private person? MWarner let it out and took a fee.

I seem to recall it was owned by a McCann family from Liverpool [no relation we were told...!!!???!!! ]

Or am I imagining things?

I believe 5a is still unsold after all these years, price dropped by about half...

Ruth McCann from liverpool. She denies any connection to the mccanns of course

Ruth McCann from liverpool. She denies any connection to the mccanns of course

Kate's home town!!! LOL!

Not me guv! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

but Kate married a McCann who was not from Liverpool, a man with a fairly common Irish name. Where are the Liverpool McCanns who might be related to Kate's parents ? Have I missed something to do with her side of the family and the name McCann ?..if there are any on Kate's side then it is a real big coincidence.

by uppatoffee 20.01.12 19:03

russiandoll wrote:

but Kate married a McCann who was not from Liverpool, a man with a fairly common Irish name. Where are the Liverpool McCanns who might be related to Kate's parents ? Have I missed something to do with her side of the family and the name McCann ?..if there are any on Kate's side then it is a real big coincidence.

The McCanns who owned the apartment were not from Liverpool originally. He came from Devon as did his parents. It's just another one of those coincidences at the moment! winkwink