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Post by Ruby on 26.12.09 4:32

Hooray Marigold I 100% endorse your rant. They can't all be worshippers though... I fully believe some on here are the bloody MMU trying to influence public opinion because no-one IRL takes the extreme and offensive stance we're getting subjected to regularly here - they bloody wish it was convincing so they could go back to their day jobs! angrypcuser

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Post by Slartibartfast on 26.12.09 19:05

@marigold wrote:The Mccanns are bullying everyone! You pros make me laugh, your idols are a complete disgrace. They use publicly funded money to employ PR and sue whoever they can and lie blatantly by declaring that they have been 'cleared by the courts'. Oh yeah? Excactly when?
They distribute details about Amaral's financial history but theirs remain closely guarded. They try to infer that Amaral needs money because of his debts and imply this is why he wrote the book and yet they shamelessly used the fund money to pay their mortgage; so they clearly needed money too and how they have grasped every opportunity to claw at every financial avenue they can on the back of their 'missing' daughter. They control the British press through Mitchell and contacts and despite there being no evidence whatsoever of any abduction and they were the last people to see Maddie alive, they use the press to spread lies and misrepresentation and insist everyone must follow the mantra of abduction or else. They are bullies, end of. Oh and liars too.
How you lot have the cheek to attack Amaral when all he has been trying to do is discover the truth concerning Maddie's disappearance and all they have done is obscure the truth in every which way they can, is shocking.
They dare to say Amaral had an obligation to find their daughter when they had an obligation to protect her, to keep her from harm and when they 'lost' her, they then blame Amaral!!
You yourselves have no idea whatsoever if Amaral is right or not. They have not been declared innocent, (nor guilty) by any court. They could be as guilty as hell and you can't be certain that they aren't. So save your sick hatred for when the truth does emerge. Amaral and his other witnesses may well be right in their assessment, you just don't know, it's merely blind idol worship that feeds your sickness.

Er, you may need to look up the laws of the land. You cannot be cleared if you are not charged or convicted of anything.
That's what's wrong with antis in general. A failure to grasp the basic concepts of innocence and guilt.

"no evidence exists that any crime was committed by the persons placed under formal investigation"

That was the final opinion of the prosecutor in this case. The last word as far as the case goes(so far).
Kate, Gerry and Murat are not suspects, defendants or convicted persons. What is there to clear legally? Courts do not clear people. Innocence is presumed until proven otherwise.
Amaral DID have an obligation to find their daughter. It's his effing job and he bottled it and got sacked from the case.
You cannot convict people on hearsay and supposition which is what Goncalo tried to do and the rest of his supporters continue to do. You need evidence to convict people and there is no evidence in this case against the former arguidos.

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Post by Guest on 26.12.09 20:17

If that is the way of thinking, then I presume that Murat was never cleared either and therefore should also be under suspicion still? thinking

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Post by Autumn on 26.12.09 20:21

@marigold wrote:The Mccanns are bullying everyone! You pros make me laugh, your idols are a complete disgrace. They use publicly funded money to employ PR and sue whoever they can and lie blatantly by declaring that they have been 'cleared by the courts'. Oh yeah? Excactly when?
They distribute details about Amaral's financial history but theirs remain closely guarded. They try to infer that Amaral needs money because of his debts and imply this is why he wrote the book and yet they shamelessly used the fund money to pay their mortgage; so they clearly needed money too and how they have grasped every opportunity to claw at every financial avenue they can on the back of their 'missing' daughter. They control the British press through Mitchell and contacts and despite there being no evidence whatsoever of any abduction and they were the last people to see Maddie alive, they use the press to spread lies and misrepresentation and insist everyone must follow the mantra of abduction or else. They are bullies, end of. Oh and liars too.
How you lot have the cheek to attack Amaral when all he has been trying to do is discover the truth concerning Maddie's disappearance and all they have done is obscure the truth in every which way they can, is shocking.
They dare to say Amaral had an obligation to find their daughter when they had an obligation to protect her, to keep her from harm and when they 'lost' her, they then blame Amaral!!
You yourselves have no idea whatsoever if Amaral is right or not. They have not been declared innocent, (nor guilty) by any court. They could be as guilty as hell and you can't be certain that they aren't. So save your sick hatred for when the truth does emerge. Amaral and his other witnesses may well be right in their assessment, you just don't know, it's merely blind idol worship that feeds your sickness.

Well said, Marigold, why do some people have such blind faith in the McCanns - I can understand the McCanns' closest relatives and friends supporting them but am at a loss to understand those who know nothing about them, leaping to their defence at every turn. You could drive a coach and horses through the silly abduction story and am simply amazed that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop.

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Post by Slartibartfast on 26.12.09 20:42

@Autumn wrote:
@marigold wrote:The Mccanns are bullying everyone! You pros make me laugh, your idols are a complete disgrace. They use publicly funded money to employ PR and sue whoever they can and lie blatantly by declaring that they have been 'cleared by the courts'. Oh yeah? Excactly when?
They distribute details about Amaral's financial history but theirs remain closely guarded. They try to infer that Amaral needs money because of his debts and imply this is why he wrote the book and yet they shamelessly used the fund money to pay their mortgage; so they clearly needed money too and how they have grasped every opportunity to claw at every financial avenue they can on the back of their 'missing' daughter. They control the British press through Mitchell and contacts and despite there being no evidence whatsoever of any abduction and they were the last people to see Maddie alive, they use the press to spread lies and misrepresentation and insist everyone must follow the mantra of abduction or else. They are bullies, end of. Oh and liars too.
How you lot have the cheek to attack Amaral when all he has been trying to do is discover the truth concerning Maddie's disappearance and all they have done is obscure the truth in every which way they can, is shocking.
They dare to say Amaral had an obligation to find their daughter when they had an obligation to protect her, to keep her from harm and when they 'lost' her, they then blame Amaral!!
You yourselves have no idea whatsoever if Amaral is right or not. They have not been declared innocent, (nor guilty) by any court. They could be as guilty as hell and you can't be certain that they aren't. So save your sick hatred for when the truth does emerge. Amaral and his other witnesses may well be right in their assessment, you just don't know, it's merely blind idol worship that feeds your sickness.

Well said, Marigold, why do some people have such blind faith in the McCanns - I can understand the McCanns' closest relatives and friends supporting them but am at a loss to understand those who know nothing about them, leaping to their defence at every turn. You could drive a coach and horses through the silly abduction story and am simply amazed that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop.

Well the same applies for people who don't know them and accuse them of heinous crimes without a shred of evidence to support it.
The only difference is that the law comes down on the side of the people who believe them to be innocent by virtue of the fact that they are innocent.
You can drive your coach and horses the length and breadth of the land and it will not change that fact.
There is no evidence against the McCanns.

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 26.12.09 21:01

@Slartibartfast wrote:
@Autumn wrote:
@marigold wrote:The Mccanns are bullying everyone! You pros make me laugh, your idols are a complete disgrace. They use publicly funded money to employ PR and sue whoever they can and lie blatantly by declaring that they have been 'cleared by the courts'. Oh yeah? Excactly when?
They distribute details about Amaral's financial history but theirs remain closely guarded. They try to infer that Amaral needs money because of his debts and imply this is why he wrote the book and yet they shamelessly used the fund money to pay their mortgage; so they clearly needed money too and how they have grasped every opportunity to claw at every financial avenue they can on the back of their 'missing' daughter. They control the British press through Mitchell and contacts and despite there being no evidence whatsoever of any abduction and they were the last people to see Maddie alive, they use the press to spread lies and misrepresentation and insist everyone must follow the mantra of abduction or else. They are bullies, end of. Oh and liars too.
How you lot have the cheek to attack Amaral when all he has been trying to do is discover the truth concerning Maddie's disappearance and all they have done is obscure the truth in every which way they can, is shocking.
They dare to say Amaral had an obligation to find their daughter when they had an obligation to protect her, to keep her from harm and when they 'lost' her, they then blame Amaral!!
You yourselves have no idea whatsoever if Amaral is right or not. They have not been declared innocent, (nor guilty) by any court. They could be as guilty as hell and you can't be certain that they aren't. So save your sick hatred for when the truth does emerge. Amaral and his other witnesses may well be right in their assessment, you just don't know, it's merely blind idol worship that feeds your sickness.

Well said, Marigold, why do some people have such blind faith in the McCanns - I can understand the McCanns' closest relatives and friends supporting them but am at a loss to understand those who know nothing about them, leaping to their defence at every turn. You could drive a coach and horses through the silly abduction story and am simply amazed that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop.

Well the same applies for people who don't know them and accuse them of heinous crimes without a shred of evidence to support it.
The only difference is that the law comes down on the side of the people who believe them to be innocent by virtue of the fact that they are innocent.
You can drive your coach and horses the length and breadth of the land and it will not change that fact.
There is no evidence against the McCanns.

They left their children home alone at the very least, they've admitted that crime. I wonder why other people who have left their children home alone are now in jail and the McCanns are not?

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Post by Guest on 26.12.09 21:07

@Autumn wrote:
Well said, Marigold, why do some people have such blind faith in the McCanns - I can understand the McCanns' closest relatives and friends supporting them but am at a loss to understand those who know nothing about them, leaping to their defence at every turn. You could drive a coach and horses through the silly abduction story and am simply amazed that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop.


How can some people have such blind faith in Goncalo Amaral...
You can be sure one could drive a coach and horses through his silly theory not confirmed with even a shred of evidence.
It is simply amazing that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop

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Post by Bea_Reasonable on 26.12.09 21:08

jkh wrote:
@Slartibartfast wrote:
@Autumn wrote:
@marigold wrote:The Mccanns are bullying everyone! You pros make me laugh, your idols are a complete disgrace. They use publicly funded money to employ PR and sue whoever they can and lie blatantly by declaring that they have been 'cleared by the courts'. Oh yeah? Excactly when?
They distribute details about Amaral's financial history but theirs remain closely guarded. They try to infer that Amaral needs money because of his debts and imply this is why he wrote the book and yet they shamelessly used the fund money to pay their mortgage; so they clearly needed money too and how they have grasped every opportunity to claw at every financial avenue they can on the back of their 'missing' daughter. They control the British press through Mitchell and contacts and despite there being no evidence whatsoever of any abduction and they were the last people to see Maddie alive, they use the press to spread lies and misrepresentation and insist everyone must follow the mantra of abduction or else. They are bullies, end of. Oh and liars too.
How you lot have the cheek to attack Amaral when all he has been trying to do is discover the truth concerning Maddie's disappearance and all they have done is obscure the truth in every which way they can, is shocking.
They dare to say Amaral had an obligation to find their daughter when they had an obligation to protect her, to keep her from harm and when they 'lost' her, they then blame Amaral!!
You yourselves have no idea whatsoever if Amaral is right or not. They have not been declared innocent, (nor guilty) by any court. They could be as guilty as hell and you can't be certain that they aren't. So save your sick hatred for when the truth does emerge. Amaral and his other witnesses may well be right in their assessment, you just don't know, it's merely blind idol worship that feeds your sickness.

Well said, Marigold, why do some people have such blind faith in the McCanns - I can understand the McCanns' closest relatives and friends supporting them but am at a loss to understand those who know nothing about them, leaping to their defence at every turn. You could drive a coach and horses through the silly abduction story and am simply amazed that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop.

Well the same applies for people who don't know them and accuse them of heinous crimes without a shred of evidence to support it.
The only difference is that the law comes down on the side of the people who believe them to be innocent by virtue of the fact that they are innocent.
You can drive your coach and horses the length and breadth of the land and it will not change that fact.
There is no evidence against the McCanns.

They left their children home alone at the very least, they've admitted that crime. I wonder why other people who have left their children home alone are now in jail and the McCanns are not?

Who is in jail, Jill? Seriously, which parent leaving children home alone were jailed?

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Post by Ruby on 26.12.09 21:13

Loads.
DYOFR and google it.
And why FFS sound so surprised?
Are you another horror who condones it?

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 26.12.09 21:13

@Bea_Reasonable wrote:
jkh wrote:
@Slartibartfast wrote:
@Autumn wrote:
@marigold wrote:The Mccanns are bullying everyone! You pros make me laugh, your idols are a complete disgrace. They use publicly funded money to employ PR and sue whoever they can and lie blatantly by declaring that they have been 'cleared by the courts'. Oh yeah? Excactly when?
They distribute details about Amaral's financial history but theirs remain closely guarded. They try to infer that Amaral needs money because of his debts and imply this is why he wrote the book and yet they shamelessly used the fund money to pay their mortgage; so they clearly needed money too and how they have grasped every opportunity to claw at every financial avenue they can on the back of their 'missing' daughter. They control the British press through Mitchell and contacts and despite there being no evidence whatsoever of any abduction and they were the last people to see Maddie alive, they use the press to spread lies and misrepresentation and insist everyone must follow the mantra of abduction or else. They are bullies, end of. Oh and liars too.
How you lot have the cheek to attack Amaral when all he has been trying to do is discover the truth concerning Maddie's disappearance and all they have done is obscure the truth in every which way they can, is shocking.
They dare to say Amaral had an obligation to find their daughter when they had an obligation to protect her, to keep her from harm and when they 'lost' her, they then blame Amaral!!
You yourselves have no idea whatsoever if Amaral is right or not. They have not been declared innocent, (nor guilty) by any court. They could be as guilty as hell and you can't be certain that they aren't. So save your sick hatred for when the truth does emerge. Amaral and his other witnesses may well be right in their assessment, you just don't know, it's merely blind idol worship that feeds your sickness.

Well said, Marigold, why do some people have such blind faith in the McCanns - I can understand the McCanns' closest relatives and friends supporting them but am at a loss to understand those who know nothing about them, leaping to their defence at every turn. You could drive a coach and horses through the silly abduction story and am simply amazed that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop.

Well the same applies for people who don't know them and accuse them of heinous crimes without a shred of evidence to support it.
The only difference is that the law comes down on the side of the people who believe them to be innocent by virtue of the fact that they are innocent.
You can drive your coach and horses the length and breadth of the land and it will not change that fact.
There is no evidence against the McCanns.

They left their children home alone at the very least, they've admitted that crime. I wonder why other people who have left their children home alone are now in jail and the McCanns are not?

Who is in jail, Jill? Seriously, which parent leaving children home alone were jailed?

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Spot the difference:
Party Brit's girl taken into care: (After 'doing a McCann')
Kate McCann v. Karen Matthews
A MUM who left her two-year-old tot home alone so she could enjoy a weekend of partying, has been jailed today for at least six months.
Mother arrested on suspicion of child neglect after 3 year old boy left home alone narrowly escapes death
Mum to be sentenced for leaving 4 year old with 8 year old
Woman arrested after police find seven-month-old baby and toddler home alone at 5am
Police said: "It's unacceptable to leave a child alone at all, but to go socialising is just wrong." The mum was released on bail.
Drunk parents due to be sentenced
Three children left home alone at Christmas
Mother arrested after child left in car
'Selfish' mother who killed her 20-month-old son by doping him to make him sleep is jailed for six years

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Post by Bea_Reasonable on 26.12.09 22:06

Fair enough, so far, it won't take long to look at, but once the family are quieter, tomorrow, I'll look and agree or make my points.

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Post by Slartibartfast on 26.12.09 22:13

jkh wrote:
@Slartibartfast wrote:
@Autumn wrote:
@marigold wrote:The Mccanns are bullying everyone! You pros make me laugh, your idols are a complete disgrace. They use publicly funded money to employ PR and sue whoever they can and lie blatantly by declaring that they have been 'cleared by the courts'. Oh yeah? Excactly when?
They distribute details about Amaral's financial history but theirs remain closely guarded. They try to infer that Amaral needs money because of his debts and imply this is why he wrote the book and yet they shamelessly used the fund money to pay their mortgage; so they clearly needed money too and how they have grasped every opportunity to claw at every financial avenue they can on the back of their 'missing' daughter. They control the British press through Mitchell and contacts and despite there being no evidence whatsoever of any abduction and they were the last people to see Maddie alive, they use the press to spread lies and misrepresentation and insist everyone must follow the mantra of abduction or else. They are bullies, end of. Oh and liars too.
How you lot have the cheek to attack Amaral when all he has been trying to do is discover the truth concerning Maddie's disappearance and all they have done is obscure the truth in every which way they can, is shocking.
They dare to say Amaral had an obligation to find their daughter when they had an obligation to protect her, to keep her from harm and when they 'lost' her, they then blame Amaral!!
You yourselves have no idea whatsoever if Amaral is right or not. They have not been declared innocent, (nor guilty) by any court. They could be as guilty as hell and you can't be certain that they aren't. So save your sick hatred for when the truth does emerge. Amaral and his other witnesses may well be right in their assessment, you just don't know, it's merely blind idol worship that feeds your sickness.

Well said, Marigold, why do some people have such blind faith in the McCanns - I can understand the McCanns' closest relatives and friends supporting them but am at a loss to understand those who know nothing about them, leaping to their defence at every turn. You could drive a coach and horses through the silly abduction story and am simply amazed that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop.

Well the same applies for people who don't know them and accuse them of heinous crimes without a shred of evidence to support it.
The only difference is that the law comes down on the side of the people who believe them to be innocent by virtue of the fact that they are innocent.
You can drive your coach and horses the length and breadth of the land and it will not change that fact.
There is no evidence against the McCanns.

They left their children home alone at the very least, they've admitted that crime. I wonder why other people who have left their children home alone are now in jail and the McCanns are not?

But they did not admit to a crime. They thought that their checks were adequate. You simply cannot compare it to someone going out for a weekend and leaving their children unattended.
I personally don't think it's right to leave kids alone but I don't go around dictating what is right or wrong for other people to do with their kids nor do I know the circumstances or the environment in PdeL
In any event the prosecutor ruled that there was no intent to abandon or neglect just a careless checking system.

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 26.12.09 22:29

@Slartibartfast wrote:
jkh wrote:
@Slartibartfast wrote:
@Autumn wrote:
@marigold wrote:The Mccanns are bullying everyone! You pros make me laugh, your idols are a complete disgrace. They use publicly funded money to employ PR and sue whoever they can and lie blatantly by declaring that they have been 'cleared by the courts'. Oh yeah? Excactly when?
They distribute details about Amaral's financial history but theirs remain closely guarded. They try to infer that Amaral needs money because of his debts and imply this is why he wrote the book and yet they shamelessly used the fund money to pay their mortgage; so they clearly needed money too and how they have grasped every opportunity to claw at every financial avenue they can on the back of their 'missing' daughter. They control the British press through Mitchell and contacts and despite there being no evidence whatsoever of any abduction and they were the last people to see Maddie alive, they use the press to spread lies and misrepresentation and insist everyone must follow the mantra of abduction or else. They are bullies, end of. Oh and liars too.
How you lot have the cheek to attack Amaral when all he has been trying to do is discover the truth concerning Maddie's disappearance and all they have done is obscure the truth in every which way they can, is shocking.
They dare to say Amaral had an obligation to find their daughter when they had an obligation to protect her, to keep her from harm and when they 'lost' her, they then blame Amaral!!
You yourselves have no idea whatsoever if Amaral is right or not. They have not been declared innocent, (nor guilty) by any court. They could be as guilty as hell and you can't be certain that they aren't. So save your sick hatred for when the truth does emerge. Amaral and his other witnesses may well be right in their assessment, you just don't know, it's merely blind idol worship that feeds your sickness.

Well said, Marigold, why do some people have such blind faith in the McCanns - I can understand the McCanns' closest relatives and friends supporting them but am at a loss to understand those who know nothing about them, leaping to their defence at every turn. You could drive a coach and horses through the silly abduction story and am simply amazed that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop.

Well the same applies for people who don't know them and accuse them of heinous crimes without a shred of evidence to support it.
The only difference is that the law comes down on the side of the people who believe them to be innocent by virtue of the fact that they are innocent.
You can drive your coach and horses the length and breadth of the land and it will not change that fact.
There is no evidence against the McCanns.

They left their children home alone at the very least, they've admitted that crime. I wonder why other people who have left their children home alone are now in jail and the McCanns are not?

But they did not admit to a crime. They thought that their checks were adequate. You simply cannot compare it to someone going out for a weekend and leaving their children unattended.
I personally don't think it's right to leave kids alone but I don't go around dictating what is right or wrong for other people to do with their kids nor do I know the circumstances or the environment in PdeL
In any event the prosecutor ruled that there was no intent to abandon or neglect just a careless checking system.

In that case child neglect should be legalised then so that no one goes to jail don't you think?

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Post by Slartibartfast on 26.12.09 22:34

jkh wrote:
@Slartibartfast wrote:
jkh wrote:
@Slartibartfast wrote:
@Autumn wrote:
@marigold wrote:The Mccanns are bullying everyone! You pros make me laugh, your idols are a complete disgrace. They use publicly funded money to employ PR and sue whoever they can and lie blatantly by declaring that they have been 'cleared by the courts'. Oh yeah? Excactly when?
They distribute details about Amaral's financial history but theirs remain closely guarded. They try to infer that Amaral needs money because of his debts and imply this is why he wrote the book and yet they shamelessly used the fund money to pay their mortgage; so they clearly needed money too and how they have grasped every opportunity to claw at every financial avenue they can on the back of their 'missing' daughter. They control the British press through Mitchell and contacts and despite there being no evidence whatsoever of any abduction and they were the last people to see Maddie alive, they use the press to spread lies and misrepresentation and insist everyone must follow the mantra of abduction or else. They are bullies, end of. Oh and liars too.
How you lot have the cheek to attack Amaral when all he has been trying to do is discover the truth concerning Maddie's disappearance and all they have done is obscure the truth in every which way they can, is shocking.
They dare to say Amaral had an obligation to find their daughter when they had an obligation to protect her, to keep her from harm and when they 'lost' her, they then blame Amaral!!
You yourselves have no idea whatsoever if Amaral is right or not. They have not been declared innocent, (nor guilty) by any court. They could be as guilty as hell and you can't be certain that they aren't. So save your sick hatred for when the truth does emerge. Amaral and his other witnesses may well be right in their assessment, you just don't know, it's merely blind idol worship that feeds your sickness.

Well said, Marigold, why do some people have such blind faith in the McCanns - I can understand the McCanns' closest relatives and friends supporting them but am at a loss to understand those who know nothing about them, leaping to their defence at every turn. You could drive a coach and horses through the silly abduction story and am simply amazed that there is anyone who really believes this codswallop.

Well the same applies for people who don't know them and accuse them of heinous crimes without a shred of evidence to support it.
The only difference is that the law comes down on the side of the people who believe them to be innocent by virtue of the fact that they are innocent.
You can drive your coach and horses the length and breadth of the land and it will not change that fact.
There is no evidence against the McCanns.

They left their children home alone at the very least, they've admitted that crime. I wonder why other people who have left their children home alone are now in jail and the McCanns are not?

But they did not admit to a crime. They thought that their checks were adequate. You simply cannot compare it to someone going out for a weekend and leaving their children unattended.
I personally don't think it's right to leave kids alone but I don't go around dictating what is right or wrong for other people to do with their kids nor do I know the circumstances or the environment in PdeL
In any event the prosecutor ruled that there was no intent to abandon or neglect just a careless checking system.

In that case child neglect should be legalised then so that no one goes to jail don't you think?

No. Each case has to be judged on things like intent and circumstance.
Do you really see no difference between someone who leaves their child unattended for a weekend and people who are close by and performing regular checks?

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Post by twinkle on 26.12.09 22:46

I have to say that as much as I don't agree with them leaving their children alone, I certainly don't think they should go to prison for neglect.
They were performing checks, no different to a listening service that many resorts offer. In fact maybe they performed a better checking system than one that could be paid for. If they are guilty of neglect for doing this, then what would they be guilty of if they had paid for a listening service to do the same?
Not something I would ever choose to do with my own children, but there are many things other people do that I wouldn't do myself, but that certainly doesn't make them a criminal.

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Post by Guest on 26.12.09 23:45

I have never felt comfortable with the term 'neglect' being applied in this case. 'Neglect', for me, conjures up images of young babies being left alone in dirty nappies, or young children left to wander the streets while their parents piss away the food money or wallow in a drug/drink induced coma.

The other thing that bothers me is that the issue of neglect confuses the real debate. It seems to be something to casually fall back on when the argument of whether the McCanns harmed their daughter or not falls flat.

Most agree that the McCanns failed their children. They were selfish and very foolhardy. I think it likely, they thought their own system of checking was adequate. Clearly it was not if you believe in the abduction theory. I find it interesting though that many who do not believe that Madeleine was taken, still resort to the 'neglect issue'.

Surely the question is was there an abductor who took advantage of the situation or is it an elaborate story constructed by the McCann camp to cover something far more serious?

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Post by Autumn on 27.12.09 0:59

It sickens me that there are people here who continue to trivialize the neglectful behaviour of the McCanns towards their children. Like it or not, the McCanns wilfully exposed their very young children to all manner of dangers such as fire, accidental injury, choking - anyone who attempts to defend or justify treating children like this is, imo, supportive of child neglect. I am fed up of idiots trotting out the usual mantra 'we have all done' - NO WE HAVE NOT!!!!!!!! No caring parent would have gone out and left very young children unattended in an apartment as they did and anyone who thinks that it is acceptable to do so, is unfit to look to look after a hamster.

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Post by marigold on 27.12.09 1:27

@Autumn wrote:It sickens me that there are people here who continue to trivialize the neglectful behaviour of the McCanns towards their children. Like it or not, the McCanns wilfully exposed their very young children to all manner of dangers such as fire, accidental injury, choking - anyone who attempts to defend or justify treating children like this is, imo, supportive of child neglect. I am fed up of idiots trotting out the usual mantra 'we have all done' - NO WE HAVE NOT!!!!!!!! No caring parent would have gone out and left very young children unattended in an apartment as they did and anyone who thinks that it is acceptable to do so, is unfit to look to look after a hamster.

It sickens me too Autumn. It just isn't normal, caring behaviour to leave your children alone and defenceless in this way. It is even worse considering that Madeleine made it clear that she had been crying for them while they were out and they STILL went out the next night. What sort of parent does that? What's more they have NEVER accepted that they did wrong or advised others not to copy them but insisted it was within the bounds of responsible parenting. How can this EVER be deemed responsible! They are a complete disgrace and shameless in my opinion.

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Post by marigold on 27.12.09 1:30

@Ruby wrote:Hooray Marigold I 100% endorse your rant. They can't all be worshippers though... I fully believe some on here are the bloody MMU trying to influence public opinion because no-one IRL takes the extreme and offensive stance we're getting subjected to regularly here - they bloody wish it was convincing so they could go back to their day jobs! angrypcuser


So agree Ruby!!

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Post by Guest on 27.12.09 1:51

@marigold wrote:It sickens me too Autumn. It just isn't normal, caring behaviour to leave your children alone and defenceless in this way. It is even worse considering that Madeleine made it clear that she had been crying for them while they were out and they STILL went out the next night. What sort of parent does that? What's more they have NEVER accepted that they did wrong or advised others not to copy them but insisted it was within the bounds of responsible parenting. How can this EVER be deemed responsible! They are a complete disgrace and shameless in my opinion.

ooo no-one has thought of that before. ha ha ha ha

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Post by Guest on 27.12.09 16:45

Autumn. May I ask; do you think the McCanns harmed their daughter? or do you believe that there was an abductor?

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Post by Autumn on 27.12.09 16:57

Cherub wrote:Autumn. May I ask; do you think the McCanns harmed their daughter? or do you believe that there was an abductor?

I believe that Madeleine died in apartment 5A around 30th-1st May 2007 - her death was most likely, imo, a result of an accident but nothing can be ruled out. I find it hard to think that the McCanns deliberatly harmed their daughter but that is not to say that Madeleine did not come to harm as a result of their neglectful behaviour. From the outset, I have never believed Madeleine was abducted and nothing I have read about this case since has convinced me otherwise.

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Post by Guest on 27.12.09 17:11

@Autumn wrote:
Cherub wrote:Autumn. May I ask; do you think the McCanns harmed their daughter? or do you believe that there was an abductor?

I believe that Madeleine died in apartment 5A around 30th-1st May 2007 - her death was most likely, imo, a result of an accident but nothing can be ruled out. I find it hard to think that the McCanns deliberatly harmed their daughter but that is not to say that Madeleine did not come to harm as a result of their neglectful behaviour. From the outset, I have never believed Madeleine was abducted and nothing I have read about this case since has convinced me otherwise.
from the 30th April until the closing hours of 3rd May, so four days with a dead child in the apartment? And they went out for dinner, played tennis etc etc as if all was well in the world?

Are you sure she even went to PDL?

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Post by Slartibartfast on 27.12.09 18:32

@Autumn wrote:
Cherub wrote:Autumn. May I ask; do you think the McCanns harmed their daughter? or do you believe that there was an abductor?

I believe that Madeleine died in apartment 5A around 30th-1st May 2007 - her death was most likely, imo, a result of an accident but nothing can be ruled out. I find it hard to think that the McCanns deliberatly harmed their daughter but that is not to say that Madeleine did not come to harm as a result of their neglectful behaviour. From the outset, I have never believed Madeleine was abducted and nothing I have read about this case since has convinced me otherwise.

With not a shred of evidence to back up these claims of Madeleine dying on the 1st of May
Lots of stuff can be ruled purely on the basis of likelihood and evidence.
Even Goncalo Amaral believes that Madeleine was alive on the day she disappeared.
Somehow you have additional penetrating insight into the investigation. Even above and beyond the PJ.
Could you use your penetrating insight to answer the following questions with evidence to back it up:
What kind of accident? When did it happen? Who was there? What did they do with the body? Who helped them? Why did they cover it up? How did they convince all their friends to lie on their behalf (considering that they did not know many of them very well)?

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Post by twinkle on 27.12.09 21:07

Autumn with the greatest of respect, where is the evidence to indicate such a thing.
Do you honestly believe that their child died as a result of an accident, and they continued on with their holiday as normal until the 3rd?
There is nothing to back this up at all.

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