Re: Philomena McCann: "..one greedy, unscrupulous character.."

by **Jill Havern** 28.11.10 8:04

kangdang wrote:She may have simply left of the "t"...(t)here. Seems to me she lacks in many areas not just people skills. No wonder the education system is panned.

Ah yes, of course. The only spelling mistake she makes and it's to do with the location - useful, that. philomena - Philomena McCann: "..one greedy, unscrupulous character.." - Page 1 302873

philomena - Philomena McCann: "..one greedy, unscrupulous character.." - Page 1 302873

by **Jill Havern** 28.11.10 21:06

I received an email this morning from someone who wishes to remain anonymous but he has said I can post his email here - kiko and stella may be interested in this. The person said he would give me the address of the apartment if anyone can check on it.

Hi Jill,

You weren’t the only person to be taken in by Brian. At the bottom of the very 1^st of his ‘dream’ drawings there is a word – VILAMURA!

Now I knew that this is not the way the Portuguese town is spelt, but it is EXACTLY the same spelling as the name of an apartment my ex used to stay in – and guess what – it is 10-15 yards further on from the Smith sighting!

This apartment was owned by an elderly English lady who seldom used it and as it lay unoccupied for long periods, she let my ex (who lives and works in P de Luz) use it for a while.

And this unused apartment had a freezer in the basement utility room!

So you can imagine my thoughts at that time!

My reason for being down there was that I worked month on/month off out of Vietnam and my ‘hobby’ was flying (particularly aerobatics). My friend has run the airstrip at Lagos (a few miles from Luz) for 25 years and if the weather was crap for flying up here in Bonnie Scotland during my leave, I would jump on a cheap Easyjet flight and go down to Lagos to fly. I often stayed in Luz, Lagos or Burgau. That is how I got to know my (then) girlfriend and how I know this apartment (Vilamura).

I saw that pic (the 1st one on Brian’s site re. Madeleine) within a few days of MM being reported missing.

My friend (at Lagos Aerodromo) and other pilots were, at their own expense, using Microlights (slow flying planes) to search for Madeleine (or her body ) all around the outskirts of that area of the Algarve, in case she had ‘woke and wandered’. They did this many times.

As he has lived there for about 25 years, and speaks fluent Portuguese, I immediately emailed him the link, and my thoughts and asked if he would speak to the PJ. He replied that he had done this.

I have always wondered if that info was ever looked at, as the PJ have been heavily criticized for their ineptitude during the initial stages of the case, but I soon found out that Brian was a fake, so never pushed this possibility.

I do still think, however, that it would be very useful to obtain a ‘property ownership record’ of Luz because - if the dogs are correct - she WAS in a freezer, SOMEWHERE!

PDL at that time of year has hundreds of empty apartments – it is a British/German timeshare resort.

Apologies for mailing this to you, but I did not want to post this on an OPEN thread!

Kind Regards,

XXXXXXX

by jd 22.05.12 10:29

Was Vilamura ever followed up? Sounds interesting

And Brians Predictions.....yet another physic/medium from the very early days, along with Amanda Hart/Diane Lazarus & gerry mccanns insistence to listen to them...and more recently SY telling us to take them seriously

I wonder if this is why, maybe, that in the distorted channel 4 documentary the Smith sighting was in a different street to where Smith says he was perhaps

by jd 22.05.12 10:57

This is VERY interesting from the PJ final report

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PJ_Report_English_Translation.pdf

"The report on page 3998 and the inquirition on page 3459-a refers to two telephone communications that were received on the night of the facts by KATE HEALY, from a bar that is located in Vilamoura. It was possible to verify that it was a common friend/client between both."

by jd 22.05.12 11:29

"Ocean Club" seem to have apartments in Vilamoura, which I assume is the Ocean Club Mark Warner are involved with. Murat has family connections to the owners of Ocean Club

http://pt.wowcity.com/vilamoura/locbus2/12051932989162230892/ocean-club-apartments.htm
http://wowcity.com/link_to.php?url=http://www.luzoceanclub.com/

by windchime 05.08.13 17:46

Sorry can't find another suitable Philomena McCann thread so thought I would start with this one. I have just been looking at some videos and came across one titled Philomenas Freudian Slip. I have listened to it over and over and I cannot make sense of part of it.
I understand the Freudian slip regarding 'they have not told the twins where MBM is' but can anyone tell me when this recording was made - she does reference the twins as being 2.
She goes on to say this regarding the twins 'We have a large family who appear regularly out in Portugal and when they were down in Leicester so they have got kinda use to kids being taken away for a day and that.. and you know kids at 2 don't realise how long a period of time is.....'

If this was recorded soon after MBM disappeared why would she say

when they were down in Leicester (past tense as though she was aware they were not going back)
'use to kids being taken away for a day or two'?? kids indicates more than 1 so you would think it would mean both of them but therefore neither one of them would notice a kid being taken away??
Did any of the family that came to stay take the twins anywhere for a day trip or over night somewhere at the beginning? I am sure they were used to their parents not being there, as they were off travelling the world, but I don't remember the twins going on trips without the McCanns in tow??

by **tigger** 05.08.13 18:12

There was a discussion quite some time ago about a holiday in Turkey which Philimena either arranged or/and took part in.
This holiday as in June 2007 and apparently Philomena went with friends and family.

Well, they could always keep a look out for creepy men. winkwink

by BerylJ 05.08.13 18:23

windchime wrote:Sorry can't find another suitable Philomena McCann thread so thought I would start with this one. I have just been looking at some videos and came across one titled Philomenas Freudian Slip. I have listened to it over and over and I cannot make sense of part of it.
I understand the Freudian slip regarding 'they have not told the twins where MBM is' but can anyone tell me when this recording was made - she does reference the twins as being 2.
She goes on to say this regarding the twins 'We have a large family who appear regularly out in Portugal and when they were down in Leicester so they have got kinda use to kids being taken away for a day and that.. and you know kids at 2 don't realise how long a period of time is.....'

If this was recorded soon after MBM disappeared why would she say

when they were down in Leicester (past tense as though she was aware they were not going back)
'use to kids being taken away for a day or two'?? kids indicates more than 1 so you would think it would mean both of them but therefore neither one of them would notice a kid being taken away??
Did any of the family that came to stay take the twins anywhere for a day trip or over night somewhere at the beginning? I am sure they were used to their parents not being there, as they were off travelling the world, but I don't remember the twins going on trips without the McCanns in tow??

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She goes on to say this regarding the twins 'We have a large family who appear regularly out in Portugal and when they were down in Leicester so they have got kinda use to kids being taken away for a day and that.. and you know kids at 2 don't realise how long a period of time is.....'

I think here she is saying that many of the family go out to Portugal and take care of the twins as happened in the UK. I think they are parents who always needed a lot of help with the children.

by **tigger** 05.08.13 18:35

The greedy etc. remark reveals a certain pique imo as all that lovely money could not be touched by TM.

by BerylJ 05.08.13 18:41

tigger wrote:The greedy etc. remark reveals a certain pique imo as all that lovely money could not be touched by TM.

You bet tigger. Who funded all these family trips, themselves? Once saw a video with a quick shot of this sister sat outside a bar laughing and joking. Have not got a clue which video it was but there she sat in all her glory as though she was on her annual hols.

by Cristobell 05.08.13 18:56

According to Kate's book they had a couple of apartments at the holiday complex, presumably Warners laid them on for nothing as Gerry in his blogs said the Fund wasn't used for accommodation. I actually find it really bizarre that all their extended family and friends were flying out there, never heard anything like it in my life.

by Montclair 05.08.13 19:14

Cristobell wrote:According to Kate's book they had a couple of apartments at the holiday complex, presumably Warners laid them on for nothing as Gerry in his blogs said the Fund wasn't used for accommodation. I actually find it really bizarre that all their extended family and friends were flying out there, never heard anything like it in my life.

And they didn't even get off their asses to look for Madeleine. They spent their time lolling around the pool on the sunbeds.

by BerylJ 05.08.13 19:18

Cristobell wrote:According to Kate's book they had a couple of apartments at the holiday complex, presumably Warners laid them on for nothing as Gerry in his blogs said the Fund wasn't used for accommodation. I actually find it really bizarre that all their extended family and friends were flying out there, never heard anything like it in my life.

I suppose there has never been a precedence set so whatever the family and friends did is a first. Sorry to say though I wonder how many supporters they would have had had it been something that happened in Rothley in November, would they have all turned up and stayed at the nearest Premier Inn at their own expense. Sorry if I have said anything out of place.

by listener 05.08.13 20:56

Referring to the 2nd post on page two of this thread - was a 'property ownership register' ever found by anyone for Luz in 2007?

by Monty Heck 11.08.13 12:07

Montclair wrote:
Cristobell wrote:According to Kate's book they had a couple of apartments at the holiday complex, presumably Warners laid them on for nothing as Gerry in his blogs said the Fund wasn't used for accommodation. I actually find it really bizarre that all their extended family and friends were flying out there, never heard anything like it in my life.
And they didn't even get off their asses to look for Madeleine. They spent their time lolling around the pool on the sunbeds.

There was literally nothing for the majority of them to do. Many arrived too late for the on ground searches, and had no local knowledge in any case and their poolside lounging and large get togethers raised not a few eyebrows among locals who questioned the appropriateness.

The whole point and purpose of getting as many of their acquaintance over to PDL pdq was, IMO, merely as a show of solidarity. To demonstrate to the assembled press what a popular couple this must be, who could engender such devotion that all manner of tenous acquaintances were prepared to interrupt lives, and leave children, jobs, responsibilities behind to go and "assist" at the drop of a hat. The sheer variety of the people who went to PDL that summer astounds, people who had long been out of touch to all practical intents. At the time I wondered whether I would consider dashing off to the aid of even very close friends abroad in such circumstances. Most people would doubtless have felt in the way, as if their presence were an intrusion and an added responsibility for the grieving couple who surely had more than enough to contend with. Makes one wonder who persuaded them all it was appropriate to go over, and who took the time to arrange remibursement of travel and expenses. That would have given someone quite a lot to do - perhaps that was indeed an end in itself.

by Montclair 11.08.13 12:12

Monty Heck wrote:
Montclair wrote:
Cristobell wrote:According to Kate's book they had a couple of apartments at the holiday complex, presumably Warners laid them on for nothing as Gerry in his blogs said the Fund wasn't used for accommodation. I actually find it really bizarre that all their extended family and friends were flying out there, never heard anything like it in my life.
And they didn't even get off their asses to look for Madeleine. They spent their time lolling around the pool on the sunbeds.
There was literally nothing for the majority of them to do. Many arrived too late for the on ground searches, and had no local knowledge in any case and their poolside lounging and large get togethers raised not a few eyebrows among locals who questioned the appropriateness.

The whole point and purpose of getting as many of their acquaintance over to PDL pdq was, IMO, merely as a show of solidarity. To demonstrate to the assembled press what a popular couple this must be, who could engender such devotion that all manner of tenous acquaintances were prepared to interrupt lives,and leave children, jobs, responsibilities behind to go and "assist" at the drop of a hat. The sheer variety of the people who went to PDL that summer astounds, people who had long been out of touch to all practical intents. At the time I wondered whether I would consider dashing off to the aid of even very close friends abroad in such circumstances. Most people would doubtless have felt in the way, as if their presence were an intrusion and an added responsibility for the grieving couple who surely had more than enough to contend with. Makes one wonder who persuaded them all it was appropriate to go over, and who took the time to arrange remibursement of travel and expenses. That would have given someone quite a lot to do - perhaps that was indeed an end in itself.

A lot of tourists who didn't know the lay of the land went looking for Madeleine; so, I don't see why the hordes of McCann relatives who spent their time around the pool couldn't have made an effort too. It's never too late for ground searches. They didn't do anything because almost all of them knew what happened and that Maddie was not alive.

by Monty Heck 11.08.13 12:21

Montclair wrote:
Monty Heck wrote:
Montclair wrote:
Cristobell wrote:According to Kate's book they had a couple of apartments at the holiday complex, presumably Warners laid them on for nothing as Gerry in his blogs said the Fund wasn't used for accommodation. I actually find it really bizarre that all their extended family and friends were flying out there, never heard anything like it in my life.
And they didn't even get off their asses to look for Madeleine. They spent their time lolling around the pool on the sunbeds.
There was literally nothing for the majority of them to do. Many arrived too late for the on ground searches, and had no local knowledge in any case and their poolside lounging and large get togethers raised not a few eyebrows among locals who questioned the appropriateness.

The whole point and purpose of getting as many of their acquaintance over to PDL pdq was, IMO, merely as a show of solidarity. To demonstrate to the assembled press what a popular couple this must be, who could engender such devotion that all manner of tenous acquaintances were prepared to interrupt lives,and leave children, jobs, responsibilities behind to go and "assist" at the drop of a hat. The sheer variety of the people who went to PDL that summer astounds, people who had long been out of touch to all practical intents. At the time I wondered whether I would consider dashing off to the aid of even very close friends abroad in such circumstances. Most people would doubtless have felt in the way, as if their presence were an intrusion and an added responsibility for the grieving couple who surely had more than enough to contend with. Makes one wonder who persuaded them all it was appropriate to go over, and who took the time to arrange remibursement of travel and expenses. That would have given someone quite a lot to do - perhaps that was indeed an end in itself.
A lot of tourists who didn't know the lay of the land went looking for Madeleine; so, I don't see why the hordes of McCann relatives who spent their time around the pool couldn't have made an effort too. It's never too late for ground searches.

Quite, it is never too late and many people without local knowledge did join searches. However, since these particular people were quite obviously invited they may have imagined that there was some specific purpose in mind, only to find on arrival that there was in effect little or none. It does seem rather perverse to bring people over then fail to deploy them in some meaningful way, by searching for a recoverable child, for example but it seems that their very presence was enough and would also handily keep someone from the inner circle pretty busy. Just another strange episode in a very strange case.

by **tigger** 11.08.13 15:29

It may have been during one of the dog searches around the 7th May - I've seen a report that there were some 14 people living in one apartment.

A member here also told me that she remembered a clip from those early days where the family/friends are happily sitting having drinks on the balcony. Looked like a normal holiday.

I have also read that swimsuits were packed - but nothing at all about any of the friends and family doing any searching. To the extend that Kate writes they had to collect the twins themselves.

Family was packed off on the 8th. Never mind, there was still a lovely holiday booked in Turkey in June for Phil and friends.

Sorry, really hard to search for refs.

by Lance De Boils 11.08.13 22:47

tigger wrote:There was a discussion quite some time ago about a holiday in Turkey which Philimena either arranged or/and took part in.
This holiday as in June 2007 and apparently Philomena went with friends and family.

Well, they could always keep a look out for creepy men.

Correct. The Agean Dream Resort.
She was due to go with her partner, the Camerons and a group of others. From memory about 16 of them, I think. I have the original internet page saved, but no idea how to show anyone here. It was all whooshed quite sometime ago.

by Lance De Boils 11.08.13 22:52

Back to that email, how do we know which apts were numbers 272 and 125?

by **PeterMac** 11.08.13 23:40

Lance De Boils wrote:
I have the original internet page saved, but no idea how to show anyone here. It was all whooshed quite sometime ago.

Try putting the url reference into

http://www.cachedpages.com/
or the Way back machine at
http://archive.org/web/web.php

AND THEN SAVE THE RESULT AS A PDF, SCREEN SHOT, AND ANY OTHER MCCANN-PROOF WAY YOU CAN THINK OF.

Both VERY interesting ! ! !
Beyond even Carter-Rucks powers to whoosh - or so I believe.

by Lance De Boils 12.08.13 10:30

Found it!

http://web.archive.org/web/20070607132931/http://www.aegeandream.com/v2/eng/contact.asp

If you go into that link, then at the top on the left you will see a blue button, "on-line enquiry service". Click that and you'll get the messages.

When you hover over the name links, the email addresses appear (at the bottom left of my screen.)

Please can someone else "grab this", so that I'm not the only one with a copy!

ETA:

Actually, this is better, as it's a later cache and there's a message from Phil Mc dated 15th June 2007, proving that despite maddie's disappearance, they were still planning on going:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080107203053/http://www.aegeandream.com/v2/eng/contact.asp

ETA: I think this is worthy of a discussion of its own and will therefore start a thread in the debate section shortly.

by Guest 12.08.13 11:02

philomena - Philomena McCann: "..one greedy, unscrupulous character.." - Page 1 Philmc10

philmccann@ecosse.net

by Praiaaa 12.08.13 11:17

Minor point in the scheme of things, perhaps, but wouldn't any normal person put a 'please' in a request to a hotel, just out of courtesy. Gosh, these people are an unpleasant bunch.

by windchime 12.08.13 11:27

admin wrote:

philmccann@ecosse.net

same e mail used in page one of this thread

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