Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

by **PeterMac** 22.03.15 16:14

aquila wrote:
I also think Brenda Leyland was hand-picked.

But by whom ?
Clearly the Mccanns were complicit in the creation of the "Dossier of death".\
BHH said on the record that the McCanns had handed it in.
So who created it, and who was on the Sky programme.

Step forward the obvious one.
The TV confrontation between Sky News reporter and the deceased Mrs Leyland may be viewed at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkAzz8Pwdvc
where it is headed Police Investigate Madeleine McCann Family Online Abuse

Gerry McCann stated on BBC Radio 4 that they had no presence on social media.

Jim Gamble, recently sacked head of CEOPS, stated that the family did not hand in dossier, neither did they have anything to do with it.

Sky News and Martin Brunt said the dossier was handed in by 'anonymous web users.'

However Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said the McCanns handed the dossier in.

In the first part of the video, from 4:00 to 4:54 there is footage of the person who allegedly created the dossier which Martin Brunt was to refer to.

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The possible identity of the person involved in preparing the dossier is less easy to determine, but the following may assist.

The person in the video uses the expressions

“WE are talking about material which are libellous, completely untrue.
WE were getting nowhere by reporting it to the sites
WE were finding people going on line . . .”

This is highly suggestive of a family member

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Although not conclusive evidence, it is surely compelling.
The addition of the fact that the voice had to be dubbed - one assumes to conceal the distinctive accent - lends further weight to this.

And IF this is correct, then we may also assume that she did not act alone, and on her own account.
She will have been directed by TM

They have blood on their hands

by Joss 22.03.15 16:51

PeterMac, I agree, & yes they can all own their responsibility in driving Brenda to her death.

by Lance De Boils 22.03.15 19:32

Aquila: re your longish post.

I understand what you are saying. I certainly would not want to try taking on Sky News as an individual. We all know that certain organisations are untouchable, and I would not want their grubby mitts anywhere near my family. They play dirty.

It's immensely frustrating. In theory, there should be other bodies who could/should make it their job to investigate the full circumstances of Brenda's hounding by Brunt & Sky, the death threats and abuse she was subjected to and her subsequent (arguably consequent) death.

However, nobody seems to want to involve themselves in exposing the full details - the whole truth.

It all stinks and I don't know how the perpetrators will ever be held to account unless people in authority grow a few pairs between them.

And what are the chances of that?

by Guest 23.03.15 8:16

PeterMac wrote:
So who created it, and who was on the Sky programme.

Step forward the obvious one.

Did Brenda ever have anything to say about Rickwood, by any chance?

by Guest 23.03.15 8:17

If this was like "Question of Sport - Mystery Guest Round".. you'd have to say "too easy".

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by Guest 23.03.15 8:19

Lance De Boils wrote:Aquila: re your longish post.

I understand what you are saying. I certainly would not want to try taking on Sky News as an individual. We all know that certain organisations are untouchable, and I would not want their grubby mitts anywhere near my family. They play dirty.

It's immensely frustrating. In theory, there should be other bodies who could/should make it their job to investigate the full circumstances of Brenda's hounding by Brunt & Sky, the death threats and abuse she was subjected to and her subsequent (arguably consequent) death.

However, nobody seems to want to involve themselves in exposing the full details - the whole truth.

It all stinks and I don't know how the perpetrators will ever be held to account unless people in authority grow a few pairs between them.

And what are the chances of that?

Great post LdB. I really wish I had more to offer than my thanks for making it.

by **PeterMac** 23.03.15 8:53

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Did Brenda ever have anything to say about Rickwood, by any chance?

I am not sure how many people know about Rickwood.
Nor that Philomena is married to a pervert
Nor that Gerry's own brother-in-law is a pervert

by whatsupdoc 23.03.15 9:25

PeterMac Quite some time ago, there was talk of Gerry M having been put on the Sex offenders register possibly around 2006. I checked hacked accounts on YouTube but didn't come up with anything. I noticed on Twitter , the subject has been raised again.

Is there any way of verifying whether he was ever on the Register? It would certainly help with solving empty CAT files, lost credit cards and possibly more unanswered questions.

by Joss 23.03.15 15:23

I find it more than coincidental the trail of death this case has left in its wake. Wonder what on earth they are really hiding and trying to cover up in all of it? Madeleine, Brenda Leyland, Colin Sahlke, and who else do we know has died in The MBMc case? And then on top of it all the unconscionable libel case against a former initial investigator Goncalo Amaral. I know someone killed his family pet from what i read, and a relative of his was shot and died, was it a nephew of his? Were these deaths all some kind of warning and for what? You just can't make this stuff up, SMH. How many more are going to be affected by these toxic people? Was Brenda's case really a suicide or was it something else? It really does make me wonder considering everything in its totality.

by jeanmonroe 29.03.15 2:01

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3016302/Death-threat-BBC-chief-wife-Bodyguards-rush-home-Director-General-terrifying-e-mail-sent-Corporation-decision-drop-Jeremy-Clarkson-Gear.html

Deemed 'credible', it required an immediate response from Scotland Yard

Last night Scotland Yard confirmed officers were investigating the 'threat to kill' made on Wednesday, after the BBC decided it was 'credible' and alerted police.

One Twitter user said they hoped Mr Tymon 'visits the morgue very soon' while another wrote: 'Tony Hall BBC director, I wonder if Oisin's and your head can stop a bullet!!! just wondering.'

Scotland Yard said last night: 'Police in Westminster are investigating an allegation of threats to kill. The allegation was reported to police on Wednesday. Enquiries continue. No arrests have been made.'

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But Twitter 'death threats to kill' BL, by McCann 'supporters' are NOT 'deemed' CREDIBLE by SY?

SEND FOR 'TROLL HUNTER' GENERAL, EXTRAORDINAIRE, MARTIN BRUNT, OF SKY NEWS I SAY!

HE'LL HAVE THESE 'TROLLS' TRACKED DOWN IN AN INSTANT, WITH HELP FROM HIS 'DOSSIER' COMPILERS!

Oh hang on, 'bullets' were 'mentioned' so Brunt will be running the other way, coward that he is!

Now if the 'threats' to Hall had come from a vulnerable, female, pensioner, he'd 'be there' LIKE A SHOT, so to speak! winkwink

by XTC 29.03.15 22:00

jeanmonroe wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3016302/Death-threat-BBC-chief-wife-Bodyguards-rush-home-Director-General-terrifying-e-mail-sent-Corporation-decision-drop-Jeremy-Clarkson-Gear.html

Deemed 'credible', it required an immediate response from Scotland Yard

Last night Scotland Yard confirmed officers were investigating the 'threat to kill' made on Wednesday, after the BBC decided it was 'credible' and alerted police.

One Twitter user said they hoped Mr Tymon 'visits the morgue very soon' while another wrote: 'Tony Hall BBC director, I wonder if Oisin's and your head can stop a bullet!!! just wondering.'

Scotland Yard said last night: 'Police in Westminster are investigating an allegation of threats to kill. The allegation was reported to police on Wednesday. Enquiries continue. No arrests have been made.'

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But Twitter 'death threats to kill' BL, by McCann 'supporters' are NOT 'deemed' CREDIBLE by SY?

SEND FOR 'TROLL HUNTER' GENERAL, EXTRAORDINAIRE, MARTIN BRUNT, OF SKY NEWS I SAY!

HE'LL HAVE THESE 'TROLLS' TRACKED DOWN IN AN INSTANT, WITH HELP FROM HIS 'DOSSIER' COMPILERS!

Oh hang on, 'bullets' were 'mentioned' so Brunt will be running the other way, coward that he is!

Now if the 'threats' to Hall had come from a vulnerable, female, pensioner, he'd 'be there' LIKE A SHOT, so to speak!

Jihaddi Jeremy anyone?

I've just read the Stephen Davies thread and strange reading it is.

I'm not sure that there is a large paid army of so called Pro McCann defenders but like Jeremy they will have their self appointed defenders too.

For myself there is distance between the real big league trollers ( the Lawyers, Mitchell, the media etc ) and the hangers on.

Many of these so called pros were once on the side of the skeptics ( yes I've been around a long time ) and I could reel names off by the score.

Better a sinner saved is the guiding phrase and I respect Blacksmith's contempt for most of them.

But, calling each other vile names is one thing yet being a contributory factor in a suicide is completely different.

Gormless Brunty and his Producer were set up for the attack by the hangers on - not by Sky News direct. Not even Clarence.

As I say I have been around and withessed the vitriol from both pro and anti and there were ( and still are ) better targets for the media to
chase down in what they call " The Public interest" in trolling terms.

From what I've read re: Brenda Leyland's tweets they are very mild in content - probably more contempt than anything but if you've been around too you will know what I mean when I refer to vitriol.

So, what made Brenda Leyland the best target?

The joint gormless person in this is the Coroner. Obviously the cause of death was suicide but that's like saying a suicide victim jumped off a bridge because it was high.

There are contributry causes to suicides and most are not the fault of others - yet in this case I have to ask why Brenda Leyland and no-one else was " Exposed ?"

There are ( and always were ) thousands to choose from who's thoughts on this case would make much better TV fodder.

Why this particular so called " Troll? "

He was never asked.

by lj 30.03.15 1:19

I thought it was a she.
THAt's why the remark about helium was so out of line. Helium did not cause Brenda to kill herself.

by AlexBG 19.04.15 1:19

Assuming Brenda's death was suicide, this is a poignant poem, written by Sara Teasdale, circa 1915.

I Shall Not Care

WHEN I am dead and over me bright April

        Shakes out her rain-drenched hair,

    Tho' you should lean above me broken-hearted,

            I shall not care.

I shall have peace, as leafy trees are peaceful

            When rain bends down the bough,

    And I shall be more silent and cold-hearted

            Than you are now.

by haroldd2 14.05.15 14:16

Where did the helium come from?

I don't mean where could it have come from. I mean how did it get to the hotel room. Did she stop off at Argos and then go into the hotel carrying it in a bag? Did she get it delivered to the hotel, or what? Or had she had some lying about in her house for years? Who bought it? Or did the police not find out where it came from? What I would like to know is what exact evidence on this question was submitted and by whom.

If there is no evidence as to where it came from, why isn't there?

What is the evidence that she had been researching ways to end her life?

I guess, and it's only a guess, that this was electronic evidence. Well where does it come from? Was it found on her computer's hard drive, after investigation by police forensic staff? Or was it found somewhere else, e.g. on records kept by the wifi company operating at the hotel or an ISP or by Google or whatever? Was anyone ordered to hand it over? Was MI5 involved in getting hold of it? Or GCHQ or the NSA? And when was the research done?

Where did the Citalopram come from?

Was this anti-depressant prescribed? If so, to whom, by whom, when and in what quantities? And if it was prescribed to Mrs Leyland, was this a first time? Was it prescribed by her usual medic? How much did he or she know about the media articles Mrs Leyland had been subjected to? What was his or her assessment of the risk of abuse?

Who had legal representation at the inquest?

Sky? Mrs Leyland's family? The hotel?

These are all pretty basic questions!

by Liz Eagles 14.05.15 20:40

I find the claim that Brenda Leyland researched methods of suicide on the internet intriguing. Did the Coroner's Court reveal specific dates for this activity?

Had Brenda Leyland researched methods of suicide before Sky News crapped on her? If she had, did the Coroner's Court reveal specific dates?

by Suspicious Mind 09.07.15 11:32

I'll never forget seeing that news article on Sky where the reporter "harasses" Brenda Leyland. I recall feeling disgusted by it and saying to a work colleague that "I bet something happens to that lady". Not long afterwards, the lady I had made that comment to came into work and said "you were right about that woman, she's dead". My work colleague is Lithuanian and came here just about a year after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and both she and her husband cannot believe the official story that has been told. They also said "How strange it is that this lady is now dead shortly after being identified on national TV as someone who was speaking out against the McCann's. That's not suicide!"

I find it fascinating that a sixty plus year old lady thought of Helium as means to killing herself. You don't hear of that method too often!

by Angelique 09.07.15 14:36

Suspicious Mind wrote:I'll never forget seeing that news article on Sky where the reporter "harasses" Brenda Leyland. I recall feeling disgusted by it and saying to a work colleague that "I bet something happens to that lady". Not long afterwards, the lady I had made that comment to came into work and said "you were right about that woman, she's dead". My work colleague is Lithuanian and came here just about a year after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and both she and her husband cannot believe the official story that has been told. They also said "How strange it is that this lady is now dead shortly after being identified on national TV as someone who was speaking out against the McCann's. That's not suicide!"

I find it fascinating that a sixty plus year old lady thought of Helium as means to killing herself. You don't hear of that method too often!

It was indeed a terrible thing to do and to put it on Sky News every 15 minutes. It is almost beyond belief that they got away with it.

But I must say "fascinating" is not a word I would use as regards the method Brenda took to take her life. It was tragic that she thought that this was the only way out of a situation those who had assembled "the Dossier" had placed her in.

by Suspicious Mind 09.07.15 18:21

Angelique wrote:
Suspicious Mind wrote:I'll never forget seeing that news article on Sky where the reporter "harasses" Brenda Leyland. I recall feeling disgusted by it and saying to a work colleague that "I bet something happens to that lady". Not long afterwards, the lady I had made that comment to came into work and said "you were right about that woman, she's dead". My work colleague is Lithuanian and came here just about a year after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and both she and her husband cannot believe the official story that has been told. They also said "How strange it is that this lady is now dead shortly after being identified on national TV as someone who was speaking out against the McCann's. That's not suicide!"

I find it fascinating that a sixty plus year old lady thought of Helium as means to killing herself. You don't hear of that method too often!

It was indeed a terrible thing to do and to put it on Sky News every 15 minutes. It is almost beyond belief that they got away with it.

But I must say "fascinating" is not a word I would use as regards the method Brenda took to take her life. It was tragic that she thought that this was the only way out of a situation those who had assembled "the Dossier" had placed her in.

That last sentence was me being a bit sarcastic as I find it difficult to believe that Brenda used Helium to commit suicide. Not debating it was in her system, just the fact she took it herself. But, I could very much be wrong.

by lj 09.07.15 18:27

Suspicious Mind wrote:
Angelique wrote:
Suspicious Mind wrote:I'll never forget seeing that news article on Sky where the reporter "harasses" Brenda Leyland. I recall feeling disgusted by it and saying to a work colleague that "I bet something happens to that lady". Not long afterwards, the lady I had made that comment to came into work and said "you were right about that woman, she's dead". My work colleague is Lithuanian and came here just about a year after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and both she and her husband cannot believe the official story that has been told. They also said "How strange it is that this lady is now dead shortly after being identified on national TV as someone who was speaking out against the McCann's. That's not suicide!"

I find it fascinating that a sixty plus year old lady thought of Helium as means to killing herself. You don't hear of that method too often!

It was indeed a terrible thing to do and to put it on Sky News every 15 minutes. It is almost beyond belief that they got away with it.

But I must say "fascinating" is not a word I would use as regards the method Brenda took to take her life. It was tragic that she thought that this was the only way out of a situation those who had assembled "the Dossier" had placed her in.

That last sentence was me being a bit sarcastic as I find it difficult to believe that Brenda used Helium to commit suicide. Not debating it was in her system, just the fact she took it herself. But, I could very much be wrong.

Helium is very much "advertised" by euthanasia groups. While euthanasia is not something exclusively sought by elderly, they form a huge group. As a matter of fact the helium "masks" were for a while sold on the internet by quite an old lady.

by Mike 09.07.15 18:33

If helium can cause death why do people suck it from balloons to do a Donald Duck voice? Has anyone died doing that?

by lj 09.07.15 18:43

Helium itself is not toxic. You die because you don't get oxygen.

by thetruthbeknown 28.07.15 21:54

I still think about Brenda every day...Just wanted to say her family, friends and acquaintances still think about her constantly..RIP xx

by lj 29.07.15 5:49

thetruthbeknown wrote:I still think about Brenda every day...Just wanted to say her family, friends and acquaintances still think about her constantly..RIP xx

I think of her often too. Such a shameful event.

by willowthewisp 29.07.15 10:57

Lj,
I do not think the Dossier proprietors clan and BHH, Martin **nt, Sky give a **it unless it is to support, protect, certain cohorts, who chose to leave their children at risk whilst on holiday in apartment 5a Ocean Club 28 April-4 May 2007?
The missing child Madeleine McCann, abducted, last seen alive by the parents and a Doctor friend!!?
Has anyone seen the film "Zodiac" as the machinations into Madeleine McCann case have similar traits, will this be the outcome of Madeleine's case?

by sallypelt 31.08.15 12:56

Lots of tweets on Twitter, this morning, about BL's inquest; for example, here is one:

skymartinbrunt In hindsight Brenda's inquest was a whitewash and she did not even get justice in death. #McCann

Many people take an inquest to be a criminal trial, but it's not. Inquests do not try to establish whether anyone was responsible for a person’s death only how a person died.