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Post by stillsloppingout on 20.03.15 13:19

Breaking now the inquest had recorded a verdict of suicide sky report they call her the Mccann troll in there piece . It has now changed to ALLEGED TROLL . me thinks legal action will now result .


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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by worriedmum on 20.03.15 13:58

How very sad,poor Brenda.

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by String on 20.03.15 14:02


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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by macdonut on 20.03.15 14:04

Died of asphyxiation and not a drug or helium overdose previously reported by the Daily St*r.


EDIT... apologies, got that wrong.

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by Daryl Dixon on 20.03.15 14:29

@macdonut wrote:Died of asphyxiation and not a drug or helium overdose previously reported by the Daily St*r.

Asphyxial suicide by inhalation of helium.

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by Christina on 20.03.15 14:34

@ macdonut: No, that's wrong. The result of the inquest is on the Leicestershire Coroner's Court website:

Medical causes of death: 
1a. Asphyxia 
                           
1b. Inhalation of helium
 

2. Citalopram toxicity


Circumstances

Brenda Leyland was found deceased in a hotel room at the Marriott Hotel, Leicester on the 4th October 2014. She had recently been upset by public exposure in the media and had been researching ways to end her life.
Conclusion:

Suicide

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by Christina on 20.03.15 14:37

I believe Citalopram is for depression, so she obviously took a lot of those as well.

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by BlueBag on 20.03.15 14:39

I still don't get how you get helium to your hotel bedroom.

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by plebgate on 20.03.15 14:40

@Christina wrote:@ macdonut: No, that's wrong. The result of the inquest is on the Leicestershire Coroner's Court website:

Medical causes of death: 
1a. Asphyxia 
                           
1b. Inhalation of helium
 

2. Citalopram toxicity


Circumstances

Brenda Leyland was found deceased in a hotel room at the Marriott Hotel, Leicester on the 4th October 2014. She had recently been upset by public exposure in the media and had been researching ways to end her life.
Conclusion:

Suicide
She had been researching ways to end her life.   So very, very sad and Brunt would not even reveal who gave him the dossier.  

I really do hope that Brenda's family can sue and maybe bring out what exactly happened in a civil court.

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by Christina on 20.03.15 14:41

I don't think the canisters are that large, so just in her overnight bag maybe?

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by BlueBag on 20.03.15 14:42

"and had been researching ways to end her life."


How do they know that?


DId she order Helium online?

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by Christina on 20.03.15 14:43

@Plebgate

Couldn't agree more. Sky news report didn't mention the police's evidence but did highlight her son's statement, detailing her state of mind, etc. I was shocked to hear she was researching like that too.

Poor, poor lady. 

RIP Brenda xxxx

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by Christina on 20.03.15 14:45

Re helium: apparently you can buy it in the supermarket to blow balloons up, so I don't know. If they got her computer/provider details they would see what she had been Googling, I expect. So sad.

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by Jamming on 20.03.15 15:05

So that's the end of it then ?

So under certain (Mc)circumstances you can hound an innocent person, intimidate them and make false threats, label them, accuse them, broadcast them being pounced on by a news team on continual loop nationwide despite them having told them you have considered taking your life - then sit back and wait until they take their own life (well that's the official line)

And not even get a slap on the wrist?

Or have to disclose where you got the information from that led you to do all of the above?


Regardless of anything else that really does not sit comfortably with me at all and it kind of stinks


Is there any possibility that the inquest and its findings will trigger any further Police investigation into the circumstances that led to such a sad conclusion ?

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by happychick on 20.03.15 15:15

@Jamming wrote:So that's the end of it then ?

So under certain (Mc)circumstances you can hound an innocent person, intimidate them and make false threats, label them, accuse them, broadcast them being pounced on by a news team on continual loop nationwide despite them having told them you have considered taking your life - then sit back and wait until they take their own life (well that's the official line)

And not even get a slap on the wrist?

Or have to disclose where you got the information from that led you to do all of the above?


Regardless of anything else that really does not sit comfortably with me at all and it kind of stinks


Is there any possibility that the inquest and its findings will trigger any further Police investigation into the circumstances that led to such a sad conclusion ?
The whole case from Day One has been stinking, this is just more stench to add to the list.

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by aiyoyo on 20.03.15 16:02

@Jamming wrote:So that's the end of it then ?

So under certain (Mc)circumstances you can hound an innocent person, intimidate them and make false threats, label them, accuse them, broadcast them being pounced on by a news team on continual loop nationwide despite them having told them you have considered taking your life - then sit back and wait until they take their own life (well that's the official line)

And not even get a slap on the wrist?

Or have to disclose where you got the information from that led you to do all of the above?


Regardless of anything else that really does not sit comfortably with me at all and it kind of stinks


Is there any possibility that the inquest and its findings will trigger any further Police investigation into the circumstances that led to such a sad conclusion ?


Are we surprised at the "suicide" verdict? Not really... we kind of expect this outcome.
However in view of what MB admitted, I would be surprised if he is let off scot free without so much as a slap on the wrist.  

What would be of interest is - is the verdict and MB's statements going to affect SP's documentary or rather the focus points of the documentary.

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by String on 20.03.15 16:04

Paragraph 7 is rather interesting!



http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/madeleine-mccann-twitter-troll-inquest-hear-sky-news-journalists-1480147

"Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry McCann have spoken previously of how online abuse has affected them. Gerry McCann compiled a dossier of abuse he said had caused his family "severe distress"

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by ultimaThule on 20.03.15 16:05

@BlueBag wrote:I still don't get how you get helium to your hotel bedroom.

Buy a canister from a supermarket or Argos and carry it in a bag/pack it in a suitcase http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/2754756.htm

Alternatively, order a tank of 'hippy crack' from the Middletons' online emporium http://www.partypieces.co.uk/helium-canister/helium-balloon-gas-canister.html and have it delivered to your home before transporting it to your destination of choice.

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Post by BlueBag on 20.03.15 16:11

@ultimaThule wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:I still don't get how you get helium to your hotel bedroom.

Buy a canister from a supermarket or Argos and carry it in a bag/pack it in a suitcase http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/2754756.htm

Alternatively, order a tank of 'hippy crack' from the Middletons' online emporium http://www.partypieces.co.uk/helium-canister/helium-balloon-gas-canister.html and have it delivered to your home before transporting it to your destination of choice.
Yeah.. but did she?

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Post by ultimaThule on 20.03.15 16:43

Given that the Inquest into Ms Leyland's death found that 'she had recently been upset by public exposure in the media and had been researching ways to end her life', imo she most probably did, BlueBag.

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Post by BlueBag on 20.03.15 16:51

@ultimaThule wrote:Given that the Inquest into Ms Leyland's death found that 'she had recently been upset by public exposure in the media and had been researching ways to end her life', imo she most probably did, BlueBag.
I suppose we should accept it.. just like Dr David Kelly.

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by ultimaThule on 20.03.15 16:55

As I see it the circumstances of Ms Leyland's death are entirely different to that of Dr Kelly who, as far as I'm aware, was not known to have researched ending his life by penknife prior to the discovery of his body.

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by BlueBag on 20.03.15 17:06

@ultimaThule wrote:As I see it the circumstances of Ms Leyland's death are entirely different to that of Dr Kelly who, as far as I'm aware, was not known to have researched ending his life by penknife prior to the discovery of his body.
Whatever... if some official body tells me someone researched ending their life I have to believe it just because they say so.

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How death by helium works

Post by Letterwriter on 20.03.15 17:21

I've seen some comments that indicate some confusion as to how inhaling helium can cause death.  So I'll weigh in with what I know - knowledge gained from mixed gas scuba diving.

Death from helium inhalation isn't caused by a poisonous effect of the gas.  Death is caused by asphixiation as helium doesn't contain oxygen.  Essentially, a person who keeps breathing from the canister will eventually replace all the air in their lungs will helium.  The lack of oxygen leads to death.

It is meant to be a decent way to go as the body doesn't know it is being starved of oxygen - so you don't get the panic or the painful urge to exhale that you do if you suffocate or try to hold your breath.  This is because the body isn't really wired to cope with gasses other than air.  The trigger that causes the urge to exhale is the build up of carbon dioxide in the lungs - not the lack of oxygen - which is the thing the body actually needs to know about. 

If you are breathing something inert/oxygenless like helium, no carbon dioxide is created so no (increasingly urgent and painful and panicky) urge to exhale occurs as the CO2 level builds.  The body's trigger isn't flicked so you will just pass out without you really being aware of it let alone suffering.

I assume people use gas hoods/tents so that when they pass out, they don't drop the canister/mouthpiece and start breathing the surrounding air - which might cause them to come round.  After passing out, the body will need to be starved of oxygen for a good few minutes before death occurs.

EDIT: To those asking whether a small cylinder would be enough - yes it would.  At the least you only need a few litres in order to fill the lungs up.  At the VERY most, let's say you need to keep breathing fresh helium in and out for 10 mins.  250 litres of gas should easily do that.  You could easily put a 3 litre cylinder in hand luggage.  I know that is only 3 litres v 250 litres - but the cylinder is pressurised.  If to a (typical) pressure of 200 bar that is 600 litres of gas.  Plenty.

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Re: Brenda Leyland inquest records suicide

Post by lj on 20.03.15 17:55

@String wrote:Paragraph 7 is rather interesting!



http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/madeleine-mccann-twitter-troll-inquest-hear-sky-news-journalists-1480147

"Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry McCann have spoken previously of how online abuse has affected them. Gerry McCann compiled a dossier of abuse he said had caused his family "severe distress"

Another "hint" the family is up until over their ears in it.

No surprise though.

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