Re: Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014

by **PeterMac** 03.09.14 19:32

I certainly resembles him, and given his predilections he might well support Mitchell and try to target a particular vote.

by Liz Eagles 03.09.14 19:43

Summers & Swan book to be serialised in the Sun on Sunday

http://news.sky.com/story/1328374/madeleine-secret-report-on-police-probe

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"Robbyn Swan, co-author of the book - due to be serialised this weekend in The Sun on Sunday - added: "The problems that grew out of the race to help… those things have not been fundamentally addressed."

by missbeetle 03.09.14 20:12

sallypelt wrote:
Nina wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:

Oh dear,

NO GQWB?

NOT wearing his "Find Madeleine DONATE T-shirt"

I suppose Pinky could say "as my boss, Gerry, dosen't wear his GQWB, i'm allowed not to as well"

And no quality wristband either.

Isn't that "Nigel the newsagent" (Nigel Evans, Ex -Deputy Speaker of the House of Commons) with Pinky?

Nigel Evans to the left - who do you reckon Mr Jazz Hands is to the right? He looks familiar.

Clarence's jeans look filthy. Perhaps this is the fashion.

Though I did smile at his camel-beige suede shoes with the thick crepe soles -

- they look like an ancient pair of brothel creepers.

by NickE 03.09.14 20:38

jeanmonroe wrote:

Oh dear,

NO GQWB?

NOT wearing his "Find Madeleine DONATE T-shirt"

I suppose Pinky could say "as my boss, Gerry, dosen't wear his GQWB, i'm allowed not to as well"

Exclusifffpix?

by Gaggzy 03.09.14 22:52

Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014 - Page 6 BwUK5YVCYAADkxZ

That glum-looking bloke in the background on the left looks like he instantly regrets 'photo bombing' this motley crew.

by Gaggzy 03.09.14 23:02

Clarence and friends fail miserably at trying to recreate the cover of the Beatles album, HELP.

Next, it's off to St John's Wood in London to that famous zebra crossing where Clarry will be the one walking bare-footed as they attempt the Abbey Road album cover.

by Okeydokey 03.09.14 23:15

aquila wrote:Summers & Swan book to be serialised in the Sun on Sunday

http://news.sky.com/story/1328374/madeleine-secret-report-on-police-probe

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"Robbyn Swan, co-author of the book - due to be serialised this weekend in The Sun on Sunday - added: "The problems that grew out of the race to help… those things have not been fundamentally addressed."

The race to help? Who comes out with this nonsense? The race to interfere, drag feet, and trash the Portugese Police more like.

by aiyoyo 03.09.14 23:36

aquila wrote:Summers & Swan book to be serialised in the Sun on Sunday

http://news.sky.com/story/1328374/madeleine-secret-report-on-police-probe

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"Robbyn Swan, co-author of the book - due to be serialised this weekend in The Sun on Sunday - added: "The problems that grew out of the race to help… those things have not been fundamentally addressed."

Rupert Murdoch's papers.

by **Tony Bennett** 04.09.14 0:22

re: SkyNews tonight:

Author Anthony Summers, whose book Looking For Madeleine is out next week and contains further revelations about the case, said: "It was a case of too many cooks… spoiling the broth of the initial investigation."

Robbyn Swan, co-author of the book - due to be serialised this weekend in The Sun on Sunday - added: "The problems that grew out of the race to help… those things have not been fundamentally addressed."

+++++++++++++++++++++

So - just as predicted - a serialisation in Britain's best-read Sunday newspaper by far - bought by about 3 million I believe and read by double that number.

And owned by Rupert Murdoch, the man...

...whose newspapers and TV channels have done more than anyone else to promote the 'official story' of what happened to Madeleine...

...whose son-in-law employed, for over a year [2008-9], the McCanns' constant PR adviser for the past 7 years...

...whose now-jailed former News of the World editor, Andy Coulson, ran many of the early Madeleine McCann news stories...

...and whose beloved Chief Executive Officer, Rebekah Brooks, twisted the arm of the British Prime Minister, David Cameron, into setting up an investigative review which has cost almost £10 million and got absolutely nowhere.

So around 6 million reading The Sun this Sunday look as though they will be reading a book written essentially by figures like Clarence Mitchell, Jim Gamble and DCI Redwood, only with the names 'Anthony Summers' and 'Robbyn Swan' on them. The absurd theme of 'too many cooks' and the 'race to help' is simply cribbed from the mouth of Jim Gamble.

Some of those will be among the 6.7 million people who were told that Redwood had 'found' Tannerman, basically through their 'careful, thorough, painstaking' etc. etc. analysis of all the files, and were told that the two e-fits they were shown of two clearly different men were drawn up by three members of an Irish family, a year after they claimed to have seen him, in the dark, with poor street lighting, and his face hidden etc.

IMO this is another propaganda triumph worthy of Josef Goebbels.

No wonder a certain Richard D Hall titled his series of 4 DVDs about Madeleine: 'Buried by Mainstream Media'. There are at least 26 YouTube videos of all or some of his DVDs, which in total are attracting over 2,000 views a day, and his online version has apparently been viewed by hundreds of thousands, quite apart from sales of his boxed sets.

This looks like being a contest between, in one corner, the British government, secret service and media piling their resources into a heavily promoted book which claims to be 'the most definitive account possible'

and on the other hand a 4.5-hour film - produced by a bloke with a video camera and a few square feet of recording and film-making space - claiming, much more modestly, that it is 'the most definitive account yet' of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

I say: Let the most accurate and definitive of the two win

Admin Note: For members and visiting guests, you may find these links useful for viewing Richard Hall's films, if you have not already done so, and for promoting on Facebook and Twitter and more generally to your family, friends and contacts:

On line film (4.5 hours in full):

http://www.madeleinedocumentary.com/

YouTube - full-length film (4.5 hours), posted by DianeDi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpTsMrU-nIk

YouTube - Part 1: (Posted by Madeleine McCann Controversy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4o24jRjOy4

YouTube - Part 2: (Posted by Madeleine McCann Controversy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pY5FHP-K20

YouTube - Part 3: (Posted by Madeleine McCann Controversy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IznVTHf6IDA

YouTube - Part 4: (Posted by Madeleine McCann Controversy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C_OMY7cBcQ

Link on this forum:

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t10149-buried-by-mainstream-media-the-true-story-of-madeleine-mccann

by Guest 04.09.14 1:54

Just logged in to read the latest news.

wish I hadn't - after seeing that picture of Clarrie I am sure I will have nightmares! sad1

by **Tony Bennett** 04.09.14 7:45

PeterMac wrote:So what is Gamble's game?

The same as the game being played by people like Clarence Mitchell, DCI REdwood, the BBC CrimeWatch Team, and the mainstream media: to influence public perception in one direction only. IMO

Now we know that his statement was not true it leaves us with two possibilities
1 He knew it was not so, and has lied
2 He is just stupid and ignorant of what was happening

Lied. IMO

If he has lied he must have realised that his lie would be discovered.

He probably didn't care. He will know that the vast majority of the 6.7 million who watched Crimewatch last October would have swallowed whole what they saw and heard, including the one-sided reconstruction, and he would have known that Summers' and Swan's 'whitewash' book would be serialised in the Sun on Sunday and read by more millions. Further, he knows he can count on the mainstream media to recycle, zombie-like, his rubbish. He and those promoting the official story would not be worried in the slightest by a few hundred people on the internet discovering his obvious lie and discussing it

by jozi 04.09.14 7:52

aiyoyo wrote:
aquila wrote:Summers & Swan book to be serialised in the Sun on Sunday

http://news.sky.com/story/1328374/madeleine-secret-report-on-police-probe

Snipped

"Robbyn Swan, co-author of the book - due to be serialised this weekend in The Sun on Sunday - added: "The problems that grew out of the race to help… those things have not been fundamentally addressed."

Rupert Murdoch's papers.

Sorry to ask this......but

Is this allowed, for books to be written about an on going Police Investigation Case where they are giving out secrets from a secret dossier of the investigating teams and what they got up to ??? I thought that they had to wait until the case had been closed !!! What happens if this does go to trial (criminal ) ?
Is it now too late to bring anybody to trial as it could now be viewed as a unfair trial. Does anybody know what the Law says about this ???

by sar 04.09.14 8:05

aiyoyo wrote:
aquila wrote:Summers & Swan book to be serialised in the Sun on Sunday

http://news.sky.com/story/1328374/madeleine-secret-report-on-police-probe

Snipped

"Robbyn Swan, co-author of the book - due to be serialised this weekend in The Sun on Sunday - added: "The problems that grew out of the race to help… those things have not been fundamentally addressed."

Rupert Murdoch's papers.

Exactly, so what deal was done? What if anything was traded for the option to publish this story?

by **Tony Bennett** 04.09.14 8:07

jozi wrote:
Sorry to ask this...but

Is this allowed, for books to be written about an on going police investigation where they are giving out secrets from a secret dossier of the investigating teams and what they got up to?

Under normal circumstances and police rules, it is gross misconduct for police or people like Jim Gamble who have written secret reports for the police to 'leak' these secrets. Indeed it might well be a criminal offence - breach of the Official Secrets Act.

But this is no ordinary case. There is a 'wider agenda' here, supported by the most powerful people in our society - the government, the secret services, the mainstream media, etc.

I thought that they had to wait until the case had been closed! What happens if this does go to trial (criminal)? Is it now too late to bring anybody to trial as it could now be viewed as a unfair trial. Does anybody know what the law says about this?

Actions like Gamble's, and comments on internet forums like this one, are unlikley IMO to prevent a fair trial IF there is sufficient evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, to prosecute an alleged perpetrator. It is possible in a few cases, however, for the defence to argue that there has been so much publicity about a case in the media that it would prejudice a fair trial.

The vast majority of ordinary people in Britain, if asked what happened to Madeleine, would probably answer - despite the work of forums such as this: "They left their children on their own while they went out for dinner, an abductor broke in to their apartment and took Madeleine, and the main reason they haven't found the abductor yet is because of the incompetence of the Portuguese police

by **Tony Bennett** 04.09.14 8:19

sar wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
aquila wrote:Summers & Swan book to be serialised in the Sun on Sunday

http://news.sky.com/story/1328374/madeleine-secret-report-on-police-probe

Snipped

"Robbyn Swan, co-author of the book - due to be serialised this weekend in The Sun on Sunday - added: "The problems that grew out of the race to help… those things have not been fundamentally addressed."

Rupert Murdoch's papers.
Exactly, so what deal was done? What if anything was traded for the option to publish this story?

sar, to answer your question, we need to stop and think about the planning around this book.

Here are some questions to think about?

What made Summers & Swan think about writing a book?

Did someone approach them? - if so, who?

At what point was a serialisation of the book - and the terms of it - negotiated? (The two parties have huge amounts to gain. Tens of thousands more copies of the Sun on Sunday will be sold because there is a big new story about Madeleine (even if it is blatant rubbish like 'the race to help' and 'too many cooks'). The Sun on Sunday will sell a lot more advertising space by telling advertisers there will be substantial extra sales during the serialisation. The serialisation will promote the book - etc.)

Who did Summers and Swan talk to before they even wrote the first word of their book? (to answer my own question, I suggest that Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan have probably...

...spoken to the McCanns, Clarence Mitchell, Jim Gamble, members of the security services and police officers from the Met and other British police forces...

...but have probably NOT spoken to, e.g., Marcos Aragao Correia (Arade Dam), Antonio Giminez Raso and Julian Peribanez (crooks who worked for Metodo 3), Kevin Halligen, Henri Exton, nor to e.g. Dr Goncalo Amaral and Tavares de Almeida (10 September 2007 interim report)

by canada12 04.09.14 8:45

Wouldn't it be ironic if Kate and Gerry were arrested just as the book was being serialized. Unrealistic, I know.

by pennylane 04.09.14 8:55

canada12 wrote:Wouldn't it be ironic if Kate and Gerry were arrested just as the book was being serialized. Unrealistic, I know.

Something really big, that the powers cannot control, would have to hit center stage for that to happen! pray2

by **PeterMac** 04.09.14 9:18

canada12 wrote:Wouldn't it be ironic if Kate and Gerry were arrested just as the book was being serialized. Unrealistic, I know.

Wouldn't it be ironic if Gamble was investigated over the unlawful release of his secret report. Unrealistic, I know.
Wouldn't it be ironic if just one of the Tapas group suddenly came clean and told the whole truth, Unrealistic, I know.

Wouldn't it be ironic of one of their main supporters pulled the rug out from under their feet at the very end of the damages trial
by suggesting that it was BritPol who loused up the enquiry, and that by implication it was not Dr Amaral's fault . . Unrealistic , . . .Oh, hang on !

by joyce1938 04.09.14 10:54

if as some people think ,that a big cover up by high ups . I think maybe the childs remains can never be seen ever again ,so cant ever see there being a real conclusion to this . Sadly . joyce1938

by MRNOODLES 04.09.14 10:57

PeterMac wrote:
canada12 wrote:Wouldn't it be ironic if Kate and Gerry were arrested just as the book was being serialized. Unrealistic, I know.
Wouldn't it be ironic if Gamble was investigated over the unlawful release of his secret report. Unrealistic, I know.
Wouldn't it be ironic if just one of the Tapas group suddenly came clean and told the whole truth, Unrealistic, I know.

Wouldn't it be ironic of one of their main supporters pulled the rug out from under their feet at the very end of the damages trial
by suggesting that it was BritPol who loused up the enquiry, and that by implication it was not Dr Amaral's fault . . Unrealistic , . . .Oh, hang on !

It's that bit I've been trying to get my head around. If it's a smoothing over exercise in saying. Well, it was'nt the bungling Portuguese' fault. Where does it leave us? IMO We still end up with the same conclusions what's in the files, The abduction was BS.
But how does that knit in with the pro Summers' book?

by jozi 05.09.14 8:31

Tony Bennett wrote:
jozi wrote:
Sorry to ask this...but

Is this allowed, for books to be written about an on going police investigation where they are giving out secrets from a secret dossier of the investigating teams and what they got up to?

Under normal circumstances and police rules, it is gross misconduct for police or people like Jim Gamble who have written secret reports for the police to 'leak' these secrets. Indeed it might well be a criminal offence - breach of the Official Secrets Act.

But this is no ordinary case. There is a 'wider agenda' here, supported by the most powerful people in our society - the government, the secret services, the mainstream media, etc.

I thought that they had to wait until the case had been closed! What happens if this does go to trial (criminal)? Is it now too late to bring anybody to trial as it could now be viewed as a unfair trial. Does anybody know what the law says about this?

Actions like Gamble's, and comments on internet forums like this one, are unlikley IMO to prevent a fair trial IF there is sufficient evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, to prosecute an alleged perpetrator. It is possible in a few cases, however, for the defence to argue that there has been so much publicity about a case in the media that it would prejudice a fair trial.

The vast majority of ordinary people in Britain, if asked what happened to Madeleine, would probably answer - despite the work of forums such as this: "They left their children on their own while they went out for dinner, an abductor broke in to their apartment and took Madeleine, and the main reason they haven't found the abductor yet is because of the incompetence of the Portuguese police

Thanks for this explanation Tony . thumbsup

by HelenMeg 05.09.14 10:48

The Sky News Report was significant and should give us great optimism.
I referred to Textusa blogspot in which she explains this thoroughly for anyone interested.
If you dont want to read it then dont. But I do agree with her that 1st September is one of the most significant if not the most significant dates in this case.

by Gaggzy 05.09.14 23:57

HelenMeg wrote:The Sky News Report was significant and should give us great optimism.
I referred to Textusa blogspot in which she explains this thoroughly for anyone interested.
If you dont want to read it then dont. But I do agree with her that 1st September is one of the most significant if not the most significant dates in this case.

I second that.

by **PeterMac** 06.09.14 9:22

I wish textusa would learn the art of precis.
There is some good stuff hidden in the depths of all that verbiage.

by pauloptix 06.09.14 10:18

MRNOODLES wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
canada12 wrote:Wouldn't it be ironic if Kate and Gerry were arrested just as the book was being serialized. Unrealistic, I know.
Wouldn't it be ironic if Gamble was investigated over the unlawful release of his secret report. Unrealistic, I know.
Wouldn't it be ironic if just one of the Tapas group suddenly came clean and told the whole truth, Unrealistic, I know.

Wouldn't it be ironic of one of their main supporters pulled the rug out from under their feet at the very end of the damages trial
by suggesting that it was BritPol who loused up the enquiry, and that by implication it was not Dr Amaral's fault . . Unrealistic , . . .Oh, hang on !

It's that bit I've been trying to get my head around. If it's a smoothing over exercise in saying. Well, it was'nt the bungling Portuguese' fault. Where does it leave us? IMO We still end up with the same conclusions what's in the files, The abduction was BS.
But how does that knit in with the pro Summers' book?

Maybe the Portuguese have agreed to kill all investigations and accept a stalemate with the proviso that they are exonerated, and their global reputation as 'bundling' is reversed.
OG need a way out now, so a media suggestion of 'Too many cooks' is a great compromise to satisfy the Portuguese and give enough reason to shut down the investigation with no real conclusion. Admittedly it answers none of the questions we all want answered, but in reality, that's never going to happen anyway.
Otherwise I can't see how OG will ever kill the investigation without the full support of the Portuguese.
Just a suggestion.

Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014