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Post by Gaggzy on 02.09.14 20:17



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Re: Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014

Post by Tony Bennett on 02.09.14 21:40

According to Google News, there have been some 57 news reports worldwide so far on the news item: 'Madeleine McCann - secret police report' - here are the first ones listed.

Clarence Mitchell and Jim Gamble yet again 'controlling what comes out in the media':

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Madeleine McCann Secret Home Office Report
Sky News - ‎8 hours ago‎

The competition between British police forces to be seen to be helping in the search for Madeleine McCann hampered the investigation into her disappearance and has had negative effects ever since, according to the author of a secret Home Office report.

Madeleine McCann: Secret Police Probe Report Released
The Inquisitr - ‎8 hours ago‎
In the aftermath of the investigation for McCann, the involvement of competing British police chiefs had a long-lasting negative impact on the investigation, according to the author of a secret British federal government report. The report on Madeleine's ...


 

Secret Madeleine McCann report finds competing British forces hampered inquiry

Telegraph.co.uk - ‎14 hours ago‎
He has refused to discuss the content of his report, but leaked details reveals that the intervention of multiple British police forces and crime agencies led to "frustration" and "resentment" among the Portuguese police who believed that their British counterparts ...


Competing British police forces 'hampered Maddie investigation', secret report ...

Express.co.uk - ‎10 hours ago‎
Competing British police forces 'hampered Maddie investigation', secret report claims. BRITISH police forces competing to be seen to be helping with the search for Madeleine McCann hampered the investigation into her disappearance, according to a secret ...

Madeleine McCann: Competing British police hampered investigation

Parentdish - ‎9 hours ago‎
For the first time details have been leaked to Sky News, revealing that Mr Gamble criticised the Association of Chief Police Officers' decision to put Leicestershire Police in charge of the operation because the McCanns lived in the county, despite the fact the ...


'Competing British police forces' harmed Madeleine McCann search

The Guardian - ‎Sep 1, 2014‎
The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was hampered because British police forces competed against one another, according to the author of a secret Home Office report. Relations with Portuguese authorities were damaged as UK ...


Maddie McCann: Secret Report Slams UK Police for Hampering Investigation

International Business Times UK - ‎Sep 1, 2014‎
The search for missing Madeleine McCann was hampered by the involvement of competing UK police agencies, some of whom damaged relations with their Portuguese counterparts, according to an unpublished Home Office report. Maddie disappeared from ...


Madeleine McCann report finds authorities hindered investigation

UPI.com - ‎6 hours ago‎
Madeleine McCann report finds authorities hindered investigation. Various British police agencies trying to help the inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann permanently hindered the search, a secret report found. By Gabrielle Levy | Sept.


Rival police forces in Britain hampered search for Madeleine

The Times (subscription) - ‎Sep 1, 2014‎
Competition between British police forces to be seen to be helping in the search for Madeleine McCann has hampered the investigation, a secret review commissioned in 2009 by the government has concluded. The Association of Chief Police Officers put the Leicestershire force in charge ... British police were biased in favour of Madeleine's parents, the review found. Jim Gamble, the report's author, told Sky News that the intervention of competing police chiefs had had a long-term negative effect on the investigation.


Police rivalry hindered Maddie McCann probe - report

Irish Independent - ‎1 hour ago‎
The report, commissioned by former UK Home Secretary Alan Johnson in 2009, was delivered in 2010 and led to the Metropolitan Police reopening the probe into Madeleine's disappearance, but was never released. For the first time, details have been given ...

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Re: Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014

Post by Lance De Boils on 02.09.14 23:27

Sorry to butt in without having read through the thread, but it looks like a relevant place to remind folk about Matt Baggott's statement to the Leveson inquiry. This is what he says re the McCann case:

50. The Inquiry understands that you were Chief Constable at the time when Madeleine McCann was abducted in Portugal. The Inquiry is interested to know how relationships with the media, both local and national, worked during this time. Were changes in procedures made as a result of the very large amount of media interest in the story? Was pressure put on your personnel by the media? Are you aware of any personnel leaking information to the media at this time, and if so, was disciplinary action taken? wrote:

The investigation into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance began on 3 May 2007 by the Portuguese Authorities. On 4 May 2007, Leicestershire Constabulary took up a liaison role with the Portuguese Police to assist them in their enquiries. On 8 May 2007 Leicestershire Constabulary was asked to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers. The Gold Strategy set on this date established that it was a Portuguese-led enquiry and that all actions would comply with requirements of Portuguese law including their Judicial Secrecy Act.

As a result of this strategy, apart from one press  conference, which was requested by the Portuguese authorities, Leicestershire Constabulary made no comment to the media in relation to the investigation and strict information security was applied to ensure that the rights of all parties and the interests of the Portuguese Police were protected. However, Leicestershire Constabulary did respond to media enquiries over our role in the investigation in confirming details that were subject of public record. This included the number of officers in various roles and the financial cost of our involvement.

Due to the unprecedented media interest in the UK, a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and  government departments to coordinate the media interaction and ensure that a consistent stance was taken. This co-ordinating group was chaired by the Head of Corporate Communications from Leicestershire Constabulary. That group has continued to meet as required since 2007.

Throughout the enquiry there was intense local, national and international media interest and speculation over every element of the investigation. Leicestershire Constabulary received 53 FOI requests, one of which was repeated on 15 occasions, many of which came from the media. As a direct result of this and the impact that it was having on the investigation Leicestershire Constabulary developed a Freedom of Information Publication Strategy. This provided clarity about what information would be published, and at what time and to minimise the number of requests made. The fact that we developed this publication strategy became a national news story in itself.

The intense media interest meant that thousands of sightings were generated world-wide many of which were reported to Leicestershire Constabulary - each needing operational time to properly address. The Portuguese authorities informed us that this was directing attention away from their core lines of enquiries.

Due to the vast quantity of local, national and international media that descended on the village of Rothley, Leicestershire, where the McCann family live, a large policing operation had to take place to ensure that villagers were able to go about their daily business. We did have complaints from local residents about the media’s behaviour.

Whenever any event took place in Leicestershire relating to the investigation this again attracted huge interest to the extent that specific policing arrangements had to be made with the local airport, hotels and venues for the meetings to ensure there was no intrusion from the media.

Due to the thirst for information from the media, every individual working in Leicestershire supporting the Portuguese investigation signed a confidentiality agreement. Messages were also disseminated to all staff to make them aware that even private conversations with friends could be reported on in the media.

In the Autumn of 2007 there was extensive conjecture about the investigation which led me to write to all editors on two occasions (copies attached) imploring them not to speculate around the investigation because of the implications it may have for the enquiry. On each occasion I emphasised the importance of focusing in on the search for Madeleine rather than any other issue. As a result of continued
conjecture by one Sunday paper Leicestershire Constabulary filed a complaint with the Press Complaints Commission. The outcome was that the paper in question agreed to make a note on their file.

During the investigation the media quoted, who they claimed to be, unnamed Leicestershire police sources. These comments reported by the media bore little resemblance to the facts. However, Leicestershire Constabulary did conduct an enquiry to establish if any police employee could be identified as leaking information to the media. No such person was identified.

Although I am no longer Chief Constable of Leicestershire Constabulary, I am informed that almost five years on there is still speculation within some news media about Madeleine’s disappearance and that a number of groundless assertions continue to be made about the enquiry and the actions taken by Leicestershire Constabulary, UK Law Enforcement and the Police Judicaria.

I've taken that from the pdf document, which I believe can still be found online.

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Re: Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014

Post by Tony Bennett on 03.09.14 0:03

@Lance De Boils wrote:Sorry to butt in without having read through the thread, but it looks like a relevant place to remind folk about Matt Baggott's statement to the Leveson inquiry. This is what he says re the McCann case:
On 8 May 2007 Leicestershire Constabulary was asked to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers. The Gold Strategy set on this date established that it was a Portuguese-led enquiry and that all actions would comply with requirements of Portuguese law including their Judicial Secrecy Act.

Due to the unprecedented media interest in the UK, a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and  government departments to coordinate the media interaction and ensure that a consistent stance was taken. This co-ordinating group was chaired by the Head of Corporate Communications from Leicestershire Constabulary. That group has continued to meet as required since 2007.

REST SNIPPED

I've taken that from the pdf document, which I believe can still be found online.

[My bold/underline/red.]
Thank you very much, Lance de Boils.

These words have utterly torpedoed Jim Gamble's FALSE claim (blindly recycled by our mainstream media automatons) of all these police officers supposedly running round in circles trying too hard to be helpful and sowing confusion in the ranks of the PJ. What utter rubbish!

Quite the contrary, a group from ACPO got together at the highest level, not IMO to help find Madeleine but to frustrate, block and divert the Portuguese investigation.   

I wonder exactly who the 'Head of Corporate Communications' at Leics Police was? Was it Bob Small, the man who played such a big role in Jane Tanner claiming that it was Murat she'd seen carrying a child the evening of 3 May? Or was it his boss perhaps? And what role did Prime Minister Gordon Brown play in all this when he visited Braunstone Police Station, Leicester, two days after the McCanns returned from Portugal?

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Re: Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014

Post by Okeydokey on 03.09.14 1:51

@Lance De Boils wrote:Sorry to butt in without having read through the thread, but it looks like a relevant place to remind folk about Matt Baggott's statement to the Leveson inquiry. This is what he says re the McCann case:

50. The Inquiry understands that you were Chief Constable at the time when Madeleine McCann was abducted in Portugal. The Inquiry is interested to know how relationships with the media, both local and national, worked during this time. Were changes in procedures made as a result of the very large amount of media interest in the story? Was pressure put on your personnel by the media? Are you aware of any personnel leaking information to the media at this time, and if so, was disciplinary action taken? wrote:

The investigation into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance began on 3 May 2007 by the Portuguese Authorities. On 4 May 2007, Leicestershire Constabulary took up a liaison role with the Portuguese Police to assist them in their enquiries. On 8 May 2007 Leicestershire Constabulary was asked to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers. The Gold Strategy set on this date established that it was a Portuguese-led enquiry and that all actions would comply with requirements of Portuguese law including their Judicial Secrecy Act.

As a result of this strategy, apart from one press  conference, which was requested by the Portuguese authorities, Leicestershire Constabulary made no comment to the media in relation to the investigation and strict information security was applied to ensure that the rights of all parties and the interests of the Portuguese Police were protected. However, Leicestershire Constabulary did respond to media enquiries over our role in the investigation in confirming details that were subject of public record. This included the number of officers in various roles and the financial cost of our involvement.

Due to the unprecedented media interest in the UK, a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and  government departments to coordinate the media interaction and ensure that a consistent stance was taken. This co-ordinating group was chaired by the Head of Corporate Communications from Leicestershire Constabulary. That group has continued to meet as required since 2007.

Throughout the enquiry there was intense local, national and international media interest and speculation over every element of the investigation. Leicestershire Constabulary received 53 FOI requests, one of which was repeated on 15 occasions, many of which came from the media. As a direct result of this and the impact that it was having on the investigation Leicestershire Constabulary developed a Freedom of Information Publication Strategy. This provided clarity about what information would be published, and at what time and to minimise the number of requests made. The fact that we developed this publication strategy became a national news story in itself.

The intense media interest meant that thousands of sightings were generated world-wide many of which were reported to Leicestershire Constabulary - each needing operational time to properly address. The Portuguese authorities informed us that this was directing attention away from their core lines of enquiries.

Due to the vast quantity of local, national and international media that descended on the village of Rothley, Leicestershire, where the McCann family live, a large policing operation had to take place to ensure that villagers were able to go about their daily business. We did have complaints from local residents about the media’s behaviour.

Whenever any event took place in Leicestershire relating to the investigation this again attracted huge interest to the extent that specific policing arrangements had to be made with the local airport, hotels and venues for the meetings to ensure there was no intrusion from the media.

Due to the thirst for information from the media, every individual working in Leicestershire supporting the Portuguese investigation signed a confidentiality agreement. Messages were also disseminated to all staff to make them aware that even private conversations with friends could be reported on in the media.

In the Autumn of 2007 there was extensive conjecture about the investigation which led me to write to all editors on two occasions (copies attached) imploring them not to speculate around the investigation because of the implications it may have for the enquiry. On each occasion I emphasised the importance of focusing in on the search for Madeleine rather than any other issue. As a result of continued
conjecture by one Sunday paper Leicestershire Constabulary filed a complaint with the Press Complaints Commission. The outcome was that the paper in question agreed to make a note on their file.

During the investigation the media quoted, who they claimed to be, unnamed Leicestershire police sources. These comments reported by the media bore little resemblance to the facts. However, Leicestershire Constabulary did conduct an enquiry to establish if any police employee could be identified as leaking information to the media. No such person was identified.

Although I am no longer Chief Constable of Leicestershire Constabulary, I am informed that almost five years on there is still speculation within some news media about Madeleine’s disappearance and that a number of groundless assertions continue to be made about the enquiry and the actions taken by Leicestershire Constabulary, UK Law Enforcement and the Police Judicaria.

I've taken that from the pdf document, which I believe can still be found online.

[My bold/underline/red.]

Glad you did butt in Lance!

That feeds into what I have always thought about the Gaspar statement - that it went through a multi-agency committee before being forwarded on to the Portugese authorities (after about FOUR months!).

One point I would make - don't take this at face value as a being Police-led. Whatever the formal set up (e.g. ACPO taking the formal lead), this multi-agency committee will have been controlled by central government. It will have done nothing without their say-so. It might be that material coming to that committee was in fact being forwarded on to a central government committee for vetting...


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Post by espeland on 03.09.14 8:09

These words have utterly torpedoed Jim Gamble's FALSE claim (blindly recycled by our mainstream media automatons) of all these police officers supposedly running round in circles trying too hard to be helpful and sowing confusion in the ranks of the PJ.


I don't imagine JG's claims have pleased OG - how will they be treated if they return to Portugal just to waste time? And the Portuguese will rub their noses in it if the court case appears to be going GA's way. As someone said, September is going to be interesting.

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Post by Lance De Boils on 03.09.14 9:54

@Okeydokey wrote:
Glad you did butt in Lance!

That feeds into what I have always thought about the Gaspar statement - that it went through a multi-agency committee before being forwarded on to the Portugese authorities (after about FOUR months!).

One point I would make - don't take this at face value as a being Police-led.  Whatever the formal set up (e.g. ACPO taking the formal lead), this multi-agency committee will have been controlled by central government. It will have done nothing without their say-so. It might be that material coming to that committee was in fact being forwarded on to a central government committee for vetting...


Indeed, Baggott does say


a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and  government departments

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Post by worriedmum on 03.09.14 9:59

Thank you for that information, LdB.  Jim Gamble does not appear to know about it though,IMO.

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What is Gamble doing ?

Post by PeterMac on 03.09.14 10:13

So what is Gamble's game ?

His first statements, if they had been true, would have, or might have been specifically designed to sabotage the final stages of the McCanns' Damages claim against Dr Amaralm by making it clear that it was BritPol and lack of coordination which scuppered the "search" or the enquiry in its early stage, and that the book played no part in this..
Why would he do this, rather than wait until the McCanns had trousered Dr Amaral's money.

Now we know that his statement was not true it leaves us with two possibilities
1 He knew it was not so, and has lied
2 He is just stupid and ignorant of what was happening

If he has lied he must have realised that his lie would be discovered. In this case by LdB within minutes, but ultimately someone else would or might have spoken up to defend the honour and reputation of the co-ordinating committee. The Chairman, for example, whose professionalism has now been traduced.

If he is merely ignorant and stupid, then he can join the list of those who speak on behalf of the McCanns without knowing the facts, or who blatantly refuse to look, in case they see something which causes them to think for themselves.

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Post by Guest on 03.09.14 10:19

@Gaggzy wrote:

Come on, Pinky, show the crowd how much you love the McCanns.

'THIS MUCH.'  airkiss   roses  friends

Don't worry though, Pinkman. This will soon be coming your way  fan

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I thought the question was come on lads, just how insincere can you be?

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Post by aquila on 03.09.14 10:28

@Gaggzy wrote:

Alone amongst friends?
Perhaps Clazza wasn't aware of the image on the bus behind him. Perhaps the photographer was.

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Post by plebgate on 03.09.14 10:30

@Tony Bennett wrote:Guess what:


Summers & Swan ‏@summersandswan   56mins
#mccann #jim gamble excellent Sky news coverage of secret UK review of case covered in "Looking for Madeleine"


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(SKY News
(Jim Gamble: "There's this great book coming out by Summers and Swan next week with lots and lots of 'new revelations'!"


(Anthony Summers
(Robbyn Swam:  "How excellent SKYNews are in their news coverage!"  
Wow what a surprise NOT.    They will never learn that the general public have minds of their own and can smell Bullmuck a mile away.

That's what happens when they only deal in their own little worlds with their sychophants dancing to their tune.    The gen. public are sick of all of it IMO-  I KNOW I AM.  

I hope that not many people buy this book, where did the Crimewatch vital info.and revelations lead.   NOWHERE.   Heck it wasn't even shown in PORTUGAL.   What was that all about.

ARRRGGGGGHHHHHHH

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Post by aquila on 03.09.14 10:40

@PeterMac wrote:So what is Gamble's game ?

His first statements, if they had been true, would have, or might have been specifically designed to sabotage the final stages of the McCanns' Damages claim against Dr Amaralm by making it clear that it was BritPol and lack of coordination which scuppered the "search" or the enquiry in its early stage, and that the book played no part in this..
Why would he do this, rather than wait until the McCanns had trousered Dr Amaral's money.

Now we know that his statement was not true it leaves us with two possibilities
1  He knew it was not so, and has lied
2  He is just stupid and ignorant of what was happening

If he has lied he must have realised that his lie would be discovered.  In this case by LdB within minutes, but ultimately someone else would or might have spoken up to defend the honour and reputation of the co-ordinating committee. The Chairman, for example, whose professionalism has now been traduced.

If he is merely ignorant and stupid, then he can join the list of those who speak on behalf of the McCanns without knowing the facts, or who blatantly refuse to look, in case they see something which causes them to think for themselves.
PeterMac, as I understand things, with regards to the Lisbon trial there is no more evidence to be produced. It is a summing up process (closing arguments) and is only pertinent to the original writ. It's a closed entity. Whatever Gamble or anyone else says it can't affect the outcome of the trial imo. The judge deals with what is relevant to the writ and Court procedure.

I'm sorry if I have legal terminology incorrect.

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Post by Lance De Boils on 03.09.14 11:27

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Lance De Boils wrote:Sorry to butt in without having read through the thread, but it looks like a relevant place to remind folk about Matt Baggott's statement to the Leveson inquiry. This is what he says re the McCann case:
On 8 May 2007 Leicestershire Constabulary was asked to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers. The Gold Strategy set on this date established that it was a Portuguese-led enquiry and that all actions would comply with requirements of Portuguese law including their Judicial Secrecy Act.

Due to the unprecedented media interest in the UK, a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and  government departments to coordinate the media interaction and ensure that a consistent stance was taken. This co-ordinating group was chaired by the Head of Corporate Communications from Leicestershire Constabulary. That group has continued to meet as required since 2007.

REST SNIPPED

I've taken that from the pdf document, which I believe can still be found online.

[My bold/underline/red.]
Thank you very much, Lance de Boils.

These words have utterly torpedoed Jim Gamble's FALSE claim (blindly recycled by our mainstream media automatons) of all these police officers supposedly running round in circles trying too hard to be helpful and sowing confusion in the ranks of the PJ. What utter rubbish!

Quite the contrary, a group from ACPO got together at the highest level, not IMO to help find Madeleine but to frustrate, block and divert the Portuguese investigation.   

I wonder exactly who the 'Head of Corporate Communications' at Leics Police was? Was it Bob Small, the man who played such a big role in Jane Tanner claiming that it was Murat she'd seen carrying a child the evening of 3 May? Or was it his boss perhaps? And what role did Prime Minister Gordon Brown play in all this when he visited Braunstone Police Station, Leicester, two days after the McCanns returned from Portugal?

Surely it would not be unreasonable to request, under FOI Act, details of this 'co-ordination group'?
It would be interesting to know, for starters:

1. Who, specifically, asked Leic Constabulary "to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers."

2. This was requested on 8th May, ie less than 5 days after the 'incident' - very swift. Is there a precedent for this?

3. Exactly who were/are the members of this 'co-ordination group'? How many members were/are there?

4. What exactly was the "Gold Strategy" that was set on 8th May? Is this documented?

5. Which organisations and govt depts were/are represented by this group?

6. How often have this group met since its formation on 8th May 2007 and are its meetings minuted?




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Post by HelenMeg on 03.09.14 11:39

@Lance De Boils wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Lance De Boils wrote:Sorry to butt in without having read through the thread, but it looks like a relevant place to remind folk about Matt Baggott's statement to the Leveson inquiry. This is what he says re the McCann case:
On 8 May 2007 Leicestershire Constabulary was asked to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers. The Gold Strategy set on this date established that it was a Portuguese-led enquiry and that all actions would comply with requirements of Portuguese law including their Judicial Secrecy Act.

Due to the unprecedented media interest in the UK, a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and  government departments to coordinate the media interaction and ensure that a consistent stance was taken. This co-ordinating group was chaired by the Head of Corporate Communications from Leicestershire Constabulary. That group has continued to meet as required since 2007.

REST SNIPPED

I've taken that from the pdf document, which I believe can still be found online.

[My bold/underline/red.]
Thank you very much, Lance de Boils.

These words have utterly torpedoed Jim Gamble's FALSE claim (blindly recycled by our mainstream media automatons) of all these police officers supposedly running round in circles trying too hard to be helpful and sowing confusion in the ranks of the PJ. What utter rubbish!

Quite the contrary, a group from ACPO got together at the highest level, not IMO to help find Madeleine but to frustrate, block and divert the Portuguese investigation.   

I wonder exactly who the 'Head of Corporate Communications' at Leics Police was? Was it Bob Small, the man who played such a big role in Jane Tanner claiming that it was Murat she'd seen carrying a child the evening of 3 May? Or was it his boss perhaps? And what role did Prime Minister Gordon Brown play in all this when he visited Braunstone Police Station, Leicester, two days after the McCanns returned from Portugal?

Surely it would not be unreasonable to request, under FOI Act, details of this 'co-ordination group'?
It would be interesting to know, for starters:

1. Who, specifically, asked Leic Constabulary "to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers."

2. This was requested on 8th May, ie less than 5 days after the 'incident' - very swift. Is there a precedent for this?

3. Exactly who were/are the members of this 'co-ordination group'? How many members were/are there?

4. What exactly was the "Gold Strategy" that was set on 8th May? Is this documented?

5. Which organisations and govt depts were/are represented by this group?

6. How often have this group met since its formation on 8th May 2007 and are its meetings minuted?



Good questions

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Post by aiyoyo on 03.09.14 11:49

@HelenMeg wrote:
@Lance De Boils wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Lance De Boils wrote:Sorry to butt in without having read through the thread, but it looks like a relevant place to remind folk about Matt Baggott's statement to the Leveson inquiry. This is what he says re the McCann case:
On 8 May 2007 Leicestershire Constabulary was asked to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers. The Gold Strategy set on this date established that it was a Portuguese-led enquiry and that all actions would comply with requirements of Portuguese law including their Judicial Secrecy Act.

Due to the unprecedented media interest in the UK, a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and  government departments to coordinate the media interaction and ensure that a consistent stance was taken. This co-ordinating group was chaired by the Head of Corporate Communications from Leicestershire Constabulary. That group has continued to meet as required since 2007.

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I've taken that from the pdf document, which I believe can still be found online.

[My bold/underline/red.]
Thank you very much, Lance de Boils.

These words have utterly torpedoed Jim Gamble's FALSE claim (blindly recycled by our mainstream media automatons) of all these police officers supposedly running round in circles trying too hard to be helpful and sowing confusion in the ranks of the PJ. What utter rubbish!

Quite the contrary, a group from ACPO got together at the highest level, not IMO to help find Madeleine but to frustrate, block and divert the Portuguese investigation.   

I wonder exactly who the 'Head of Corporate Communications' at Leics Police was? Was it Bob Small, the man who played such a big role in Jane Tanner claiming that it was Murat she'd seen carrying a child the evening of 3 May? Or was it his boss perhaps? And what role did Prime Minister Gordon Brown play in all this when he visited Braunstone Police Station, Leicester, two days after the McCanns returned from Portugal?

Surely it would not be unreasonable to request, under FOI Act, details of this 'co-ordination group'?
It would be interesting to know, for starters:

1. Who, specifically, asked Leic Constabulary "to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers."

2. This was requested on 8th May, ie less than 5 days after the 'incident' - very swift. Is there a precedent for this?

3. Exactly who were/are the members of this 'co-ordination group'? How many members were/are there?

4. What exactly was the "Gold Strategy" that was set on 8th May? Is this documented?

5. Which organisations and govt depts were/are represented by this group?

6. How often have this group met since its formation on 8th May 2007 and are its meetings minuted?



Good questions

Don't expect to get truthful answers from the authority.
You'll get a standard fob-off letter wherein all sort of excuses will be cited for not being able to supply the info requested.

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Re: Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014

Post by aiyoyo on 03.09.14 12:13

@aquila wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:So what is Gamble's game ?

His first statements, if they had been true, would have, or might have been specifically designed to sabotage the final stages of the McCanns' Damages claim against Dr Amaralm by making it clear that it was BritPol and lack of coordination which scuppered the "search" or the enquiry in its early stage, and that the book played no part in this..
Why would he do this, rather than wait until the McCanns had trousered Dr Amaral's money.

Now we know that his statement was not true it leaves us with two possibilities
1  He knew it was not so, and has lied
2  He is just stupid and ignorant of what was happening

If he has lied he must have realised that his lie would be discovered.  In this case by LdB within minutes, but ultimately someone else would or might have spoken up to defend the honour and reputation of the co-ordinating committee. The Chairman, for example, whose professionalism has now been traduced.

If he is merely ignorant and stupid, then he can join the list of those who speak on behalf of the McCanns without knowing the facts, or who blatantly refuse to look, in case they see something which causes them to think for themselves.
PeterMac, as I understand things, with regards to the Lisbon trial there is no more evidence to be produced. It is a summing up process (closing arguments) and is only pertinent to the original writ. It's a closed entity. Whatever Gamble or anyone else says it can't affect the outcome of the trial imo. The judge deals with what is relevant to the writ and Court procedure.

I'm sorry if I have legal terminology incorrect.

JG's statement won't impact and will have no relevance to the libel trial.
Too late for evidence introducing, its just closing summary by lawyers to be followed by verdict.

It's clear Gamble has gone to bed with Summers helping him with the book.  What's unclear is which of the two has the persuasion power and managed to convince Brunty to do a programme on CEOP as preview for the Summers' book?  Can't have been Brunty own initiatives judging from the contents that are of no value for the public to know.  Brunty's purpose for the programme was to keep Gamble and Summers' names in the limelight ahead of book release for a reason.

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Re: Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014

Post by Lance De Boils on 03.09.14 13:15

@HelenMeg wrote:
@Lance De Boils wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Lance De Boils wrote:Sorry to butt in without having read through the thread, but it looks like a relevant place to remind folk about Matt Baggott's statement to the Leveson inquiry. This is what he says re the McCann case:
On 8 May 2007 Leicestershire Constabulary was asked to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers. The Gold Strategy set on this date established that it was a Portuguese-led enquiry and that all actions would comply with requirements of Portuguese law including their Judicial Secrecy Act.

Due to the unprecedented media interest in the UK, a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and  government departments to coordinate the media interaction and ensure that a consistent stance was taken. This co-ordinating group was chaired by the Head of Corporate Communications from Leicestershire Constabulary. That group has continued to meet as required since 2007.

REST SNIPPED

I've taken that from the pdf document, which I believe can still be found online.

[My bold/underline/red.]
Thank you very much, Lance de Boils.

These words have utterly torpedoed Jim Gamble's FALSE claim (blindly recycled by our mainstream media automatons) of all these police officers supposedly running round in circles trying too hard to be helpful and sowing confusion in the ranks of the PJ. What utter rubbish!

Quite the contrary, a group from ACPO got together at the highest level, not IMO to help find Madeleine but to frustrate, block and divert the Portuguese investigation.   

I wonder exactly who the 'Head of Corporate Communications' at Leics Police was? Was it Bob Small, the man who played such a big role in Jane Tanner claiming that it was Murat she'd seen carrying a child the evening of 3 May? Or was it his boss perhaps? And what role did Prime Minister Gordon Brown play in all this when he visited Braunstone Police Station, Leicester, two days after the McCanns returned from Portugal?

Surely it would not be unreasonable to request, under FOI Act, details of this 'co-ordination group'?
It would be interesting to know, for starters:

1. Who, specifically, asked Leic Constabulary "to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers."

2. This was requested on 8th May, ie less than 5 days after the 'incident' - very swift. Is there a precedent for this?

3. Exactly who were/are the members of this 'co-ordination group'? How many members were/are there?

4. What exactly was the "Gold Strategy" that was set on 8th May? Is this documented?

5. Which organisations and govt depts were/are represented by this group?

6. How often have this group met since its formation on 8th May 2007 and are its meetings minuted?



Good questions

7. Have any of the missing girl's family or their representatives been present at any of these meetings? Who? On which dates?

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Gold Group Strategy

Post by saratoga on 03.09.14 13:19

This may be well-known but a reminder of what Leics police Gold Group strategy was regarding Madeleine McCann case.
https://leics.police.uk/media/uploads/library/file/op-task-publication-strategy.pdf

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Re: Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014

Post by PeterMac on 03.09.14 14:12

@saratoga wrote:This may be well-known but a reminder of what Leics police Gold Group strategy was regarding Madeleine McCann case.
https://leics.police.uk/media/uploads/library/file/op-task-publication-strategy.pdf
Nice wording
Anything in relation to the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will not be released whilst it remains ongoing. Consideration may be given to releasing certain material, ie. that which would not reveal police tactics, when the circumstances surrounding Madeleine’s disappearance are fully known and the person/people involved have been brought to justice and a suitable period for any appeal has elapsed.

Nothing about an ABDUCTION.
Very carefully worded 'circumstances surrounding Madeleine's disappearance'
So the PJ were not fooled and neither, it seems, were LeicsPol

Grange . . over to you, Sir.

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Re: Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014

Post by Lance De Boils on 03.09.14 16:47

Have copied the relevant parts of Baggott's Leveson evidence (written and from transcript of hearing) in a new thread in the discussion section, in case anyone wants to... well, 'discuss'!

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t10236-matt-baggott-at-leveson

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Re: Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014

Post by jeanmonroe on 03.09.14 17:36



Oh dear,

NO GQWB?

NOT wearing his "Find Madeleine DONATE T-shirt"

I suppose Pinky could say "as my boss, Gerry, dosen't wear his GQWB, i'm allowed not to as well"

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Re: Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014

Post by Nina on 03.09.14 18:13

@jeanmonroe wrote:

Oh dear,

NO GQWB?

NOT wearing his "Find Madeleine DONATE T-shirt"

I suppose Pinky could say "as my boss, Gerry, dosen't wear his GQWB, i'm allowed not to as well"

And no quality wristband either.

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Post by Okeydokey on 03.09.14 19:25

@Lance De Boils wrote:
4. What exactly was the "Gold Strategy" that was set on 8th May? Is this documented?

5. Which organisations and govt depts were/are represented by this group?

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Think "Gold" strategy refers to the lead agency with the co-ordinating role. This is usually the case in emergency planning that one agency is termed "Gold", being in charge of co-ordination. So I imagine
a Gold strategy would involve setting up an incident room, dedicated phone lines, computer systems and the like. I think any evidence coming in would have been channelled through the multi-agency group. I suspect there was a lot of debate about what to do with the Gaspar letter.

I remain sceptical how far the Police were leading on this though. I think the Home Office/Justice Dept and the Foreign Office had a much bigger role.

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Re: Sky news 7pm - Exclusive new report on Madeleine McCann investigation tonight - 1 Sept 2014

Post by sallypelt on 03.09.14 19:28

@Nina wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:

Oh dear,

NO GQWB?

NOT wearing his "Find Madeleine DONATE T-shirt"

I suppose Pinky could say "as my boss, Gerry, dosen't wear his GQWB, i'm allowed not to as well"

And no quality wristband either.

Isn't that "Nigel the newsagent" (Nigel Evans, Ex -Deputy Speaker of the House of Commons) with Pinky?

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