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Discrepancies between the book and the statements in the PJ Files/Videos/Interviews

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Post by Guest on 07.05.11 13:55

I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread solely for listing any discrepencies found, so they are all together on one thread. Please keep the general discussion to the other threads, this is purely for differing statements in the book and PJ files.



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extract from daily mail

Post by dragonfly on 07.05.11 14:34

Please correct me if I am wrong as I am not as well read as others on here

As she entered the apartment, she felt a draft and noticed the door to the children’s bedroom was wide open – but did not immediately realise a stranger had entered.
She said: ‘When I realised Madeleine wasn’t actually there, I went through to our bedroom to see if she’d got into our bed. That would explain the open door.
‘On the discovery of another empty bed, (im assuming that is Kate & Gerrys bed) the first wave of panic hit me. As I ran back into the children’s room the closed curtains flew up in a gust of wind.
‘My heart lurched as I saw now, that, behind them, the window was wide open and the shutters on the outside raised all the way up.

Now from what I can remember again I need someone to confirm or correct me, Kate upon entering the apartment stood outside the childrens bedroom door to listen for sounds, she saw the door was open at a larger angle than 'Gerry had left it' So as she pulled it towards her the wind pushed the door to a slam , and that is when she noticed the window and curtains billowing That is what made her enter the room the door slamming . From the above statement It appears that on entering the childrens room the second time after Kate checked her own room that she noticed the gust of wind and curtains blowing in

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Post by dragonfly on 08.05.11 10:32

extract from DM 08/05/011

She tells how she realised something was wrong when she noticed that the door to the children’s bedroom was wide open – not as she and her husband had left it. She glanced at Madeleine’s bed but couldn’t make her out in the dark.
When she was sure Madeleine wasn’t there, she went to check her own room. When she could not see her daughter there either, she panicked and ran back to the children’s room.
‘My heart lurched as I saw now that, behind them, the window was wide open and the shutters on the outside raised all the way up.

This is stating the check before Kates check was done together with Gerry ,
This is also different from the door slamming shut


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw 00.5 - 0.27 right at the start


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384705/Madeleine-McCann-Police-quiz-convicted-murderers-Kate-McCann-gives-chilling-account-moment-daughter-missing.html

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"We were all asked to leave the villa" - Files - 'they can be present during the search'

Post by HiDeHo on 09.05.11 4:13

From Sun article:
On August 2 I had a call from Gerry. The police wanted to come over at 10am. Something to do with forensics.

It was 5pm when they eventually showed up. They told us they wanted to shoot some video footage of our clothes and possessions.

The forensics people would then take these away and return them the following day.

They offered no explanation. We were all asked to leave the villa When we were allowed back, I was devastated. They had taken my Bible, Cuddle Cat (Madeleine's favourite toy) and my diaries.[/i]



There was an official search warrant being applied.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post106696.html#p106696


That part jumped out at me immediately as I recall that (Paiva?) has mentioned about them in the swimming pool or jacuzzi.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post106696.html#p106696

The search should include the entire property, even the part occupied by people other than the suspects, including annexes and rented areas.

Before proceeding to effect the search, copy of the dispatch attached determining who had access to the place, mentioning that they can be present during the search and be accompanied or substituted by someone of confidence will be delivered.

If the persons in reference are not present, copy of the dispatch can be delivered where possible to a family member, neighbour, caretaker or whoever acts as substitute, article 176, n 1 and 2 of the CPP.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/AMARALS_BOOK_ENGLISH.htm

Search of McCanns villa - summary from 'The Truth of the Lie'

- When preparing to go to the McCann's villa with the dogs, everyone knew this was the moment to either take up a technical and legal instrument which could assign responsiblity, or fully remove from suspicion, Madeleine's parents in her disappearance.
- We knew, then, that we had failed when we decided to not wiretap and follow the friends and McCanns from the beginning of the investigation.
- The Public Ministry (MP) created the proper search documents. At the same time, they asked for authorisation to wiretap the villa and car at that time. The MP agreed, as it's been used in other cases. 24 anxious hours later the sitting Judge, covering for someone on holiday, denied the MP's agreement. No time to re-request, the last chance to know what the McCanns said away from the press microphones was gone, just as the couple prepared to leave the country.
- The search was planned in great detail.
- The villa is on Rua das Flores, 27, rented at the beginning of the summer with money donated to the Find Madeleine Fund.

- At 6pm-ish, the inspectors knocked on the door. Kate and Gerry were giving the twins a bath in the exterior pool. Surprisingly, they both reacted well to the search warrant and in a forthright and open way gave unlimited access to the investigators.

- Eddie started, going directly to the living room where on top of a chair was cuddlecat, which now had a little green ribbon and rosary around its neck. Again, Eddie showed his 7 years of experience dedicated to forensic crime scene work and, with a determined and affirmative bark, indicated that CuddleCat had been in contact with a cadaver.
- Using cardboard boxes, all the clothes in the house were taken to a specially prepared area to be placed on the ground for the dogs.
- At 23h20 all the clothes are spread out. Again, Eddie marks a strong cadaver odor on Kate's clothes: slacks in black/white check and a sleeveless white blouse. He barks frenetically.
- Keela finds no blood vestiges..

http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Calendar-Timetables/JULY-Calendar-with-Phone-Pings-1-911585.html

Gerry's pings show a trip to Budens shortly after their arrival

2nd... Another Budens trip this evening. Ping at Luz Centro at 18:11 then Budens at 18:32 followed by an activation in Luz at 18:43. Then 5 more Budens pings between 19:16 and 19:18 followed by a ping back in PdL Centro at 20:37

Jon Corner was visiting (and claimed in the documentary they had prior warning.

This was the day they postponed the trip to Huelva.
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Re: Discrepancies between the book and the statements in the PJ Files/Videos/Interviews

Post by ufercoffy on 09.05.11 18:20

'As soon as it was light Gerry and I resumed our search. We jumped over walls and raked through undergrowth. We looked in ditches and holes. '


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Post by Wyatt Burp on 09.05.11 20:26



The McCann's spokesman (Clarence Mitchell) was forced to deny that Mrs McCann was suicidal......

So who's telling lies - Kate or Clarence?
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Re: Discrepancies between the book and the statements in the PJ Files/Videos/Interviews

Post by Anon on 09.05.11 21:55

Discrepancies with the crying incident http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ablg1p

The following is an analysis of the so called 'crying incident'.

In the Daily mail article from May 9th 2011,Kate McCann recalls Madeleine saying on May the 3rd:

‘Why didn’t you come when Sean and I cried last night?’ (referring to Wednesday 2nd, 2007)
(http://tinyurl.com/638vel7)

Notice the key phrase:"Why didn’t you come..." -- it obviously refers, from Madeleine's point of view, to Kate (or Gerry) not being there when they were upset.It either means the parents were not home when the crying took place or were and ignored it/did not hear it.

In Kate's witness testimony, given on May 4th, it is stated that:

"She (Kate) reports only one episode where, on the morning of Thursday the 3rd, Madeleine asked the witness why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying(on the Wednesday night). The witness states that she had heard nothing and had therefore not gone into the bedroom.."
(http://www.mccannfiles.com/id192.html#sta4)

Obviously, the "had not come to look..." refers to fact that Kate McCann was not in the bedroom where Madeleine was sleeping otherwise she would not have needed to go and look.Further, the implication of the words is that Kate did not hear anything even though she was home and therefore it wasn't from being out of the flat that caused her to not hear the crying -- this is because Kate says she heard no crying therefore had no reason to go INTO the bedroom.This logic is related to how a mother would only go into a bedroom from being in the flat herself. We can thus deduce that she was in her own bedroom with her husband Gerry as per normal sleeping arrangement as she claims i.e Kate and Gerry in one room and Madeleine and the twins in the other.Also note how the reference is only to the twins crying. But in the May 9th 2011 Daily Mail article, Kate says that Madeleine was crying alongside her brother Sean. Why a different account?

Gerry McCann, in his witness testimony on May 10th, it is stated:

"On Wednesday night, 2 May 2007......Still on this night, KATE slept in the children's bedroom, in the bed next to the window, because the deponent was snoring."
(http://www.mccannfiles.com/id192.html#sta4)

Gerry says Kate slept in Madeleine's bedroom because he was snoring.It is affirmative that Kate slept in Madeleine's bedroom because of snoring. Kate makes no mention of sleeping in Madeleine's bedroom in her witness testimony on May 4th-- infact, her words allude to the fact she was in her own bedroom and not that of the kids. Thus, there's a discrepency.

Later on, in Kate's witness testimony, given on September 7th 2007, it is stated:

"When asked if she ever slept(Kate)in Madeleine’s bedroom, she says that such happened on the Wednesday(2nd), because she was annoyed with Gerry. He ignored her after dinner when they went to the Tapas bar, which only happened that day. She decided to retaliate by sleeping in the other bedroom, in the bed under the window..."
(http://www.mccannfiles.com/id192.html#sta4)

So, on Wednesday 2nd Kate states she slept in Madeleine's bedroom, along with the twins who were also there.This is a different account to her first witness testimony where she clearly pointed to the fact she DID NOT SLEEP IN MADELEINE'S BEDROOM! Kate herself alludes to this with her own words!Further, In Gerry's first witness testimony, given on May 10th, he says Kate slept in the kids room because he was snoring. Please remember however that Gerry's first testimony was given AFTER Kate's one -- 6 days to be precise.Now Kate has added two things WHICH DID NOT EXIST IN HER FIRST WITNESS TESTIMONY : 1. She DID sleep in Madeleine's bedroom and 2. It was because Gerry had annoyed her at the Tapas bar and not because of his snoring as Gerry claimed in his first witness testimony.

But one must ask: why the discrepency? Either Kate slept in Madeleine's bedroom on May 2nd or she did not.And if she did, why the differing reasons for doing it -- snoring versus being annoyed.It's a very easy thing to remember.

In Arguido questioning of Gerry McCann, on the 7th of September 2007, it is stated:

"Concerning his wife, he says that on the Wednesday she slept in the children’s room in the bed next to the window. He doesn’t know why..."
(http://www.mccannfiles.com/id192.html#sta4)

Yet again, Gerry changes his account of events. In his witness testimony from May 10th, he states that Kate slept in Madeleine's bedroom because he was snoring.Now, on September7th, in his arguido questioning, he's not sure why Kate slept in Madeleine's bedroom. Another discrepency.

Kate McCann did not answer much in her arguida questioning from 7th of September 2007 so nothing can be said of it.

However, in her witness statement on the 6th of September 2007, it is stated:

"Regarding this night(Wednesday 2nd) she said that none of the children cried, which she would have noticed as she was in the room"
(http://www.mccannfiles.com/id192.html#sta4)

But in her May 4th testimony, she states quite clearly she was not in the room as Madeleine asked her on Thursday morning why she did not come as the twins were crying. So, which version is correct?



As we can see, these are some major discrencies and it is the McCanns themselves who raised them with their differing accounts of the same events.
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Post by soulthief on 09.05.11 22:15

they are again saying that cuddlecat was on the shelf/ There is no shelf in that bedroom and certainly not where Kate says, above the bed.

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Post by Baronstu on 21.05.11 20:15

We dropped the kids off at their clubs for the last hour and a half, meeting up with them as usual for tea. Only two minor
aspects of that evening stand out as differing from the norm. The first was that Russell didn’t join us for dinner. Evie wasn’t
well so he stayed with their girls in the apartment and Jane took his meal to him there. The second was that some time in the
early hours Madeleine came through to our bedroom, complaining that Amelie was crying and had woken her up. Gerry
checked on Amelie, who settled quickly, and we let Madeleine jump into bed with us.

This is the 1st, the creche records show that Madeleine was in the creche from 14:30, Kate not doing her research again.

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Post by Guest on 22.05.11 15:22

Found this on littlemorsals blogspot. I haven't read the book but the second snip is allegedly from Page 75, compare to Mrs Fenns statement to the PJ.

http://littlemorsals.blogspot.com/2011/05/piers-morgan-interview-with-mccanns-may.html



Pamela Fenn’s witness statement (20th August 2007):

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id331.html#fenn1

During the day nothing unusual happened, until almost 22H30 when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out "we have let her down" which she repeated several times, quite upset. She then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, she asked the father, GERRY, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to GERRY from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that when GERRY said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios. At that moment she offered GERRY help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22H30.

Mrs Fenn has no reason to lie.

Kate’s account (page 75):

Then a lady appeared on a balcony – I’m fairly certain this was about 11pm, before the police arrived – and, in a plummy voice, inquired, ‘Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?’ I explained as clearly as I was able, given the state I was in, that my little girl had been stolen from her bed, to which she casually responded, ‘Oh, I see,’ almost as if she’d just been told that a can of beans had fallen off a kitchen shelf. I remember feeling both shocked and angry at this woefully inadequate and apparently unconcerned reaction. I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point.

Remarkable memory for detail considering this is supposed to have happened at the height of Kate’s emotional state when memories generally become foggy and blurred.




Two rather different versions!!!



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Post by PeterMac on 26.05.11 16:52

p. 171 "We were able to show a pair of pyjamas like Madeleine's on the programme, which was particualry important since at the time it has been incorrectly stated in some press reports that her pyjamas were white." JT has described pyjama bottoms as having a "pinkish aspect".
The pyjamas in question are M&S Eeyore. The TOP is pink. The BOTTOMS are WHITE.
see
www.themaddiecasefiles.com/topic10155.html (or can someone past that photo for me.)

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Post by Guest on 26.05.11 17:02




Not very good pice - will look for another one.
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Post by PeterMac on 26.05.11 17:41

Thank you for the photos. The bit JT says she saw, (second revised description obviously, not the bundle in the blanket), were the pyjama trousers. = WHITE
Kate cannot be called an outright liar here since some part of the pyjamas were undoubtedly pink, but it is a deliberate obfuscation.

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Post by Baronstu on 26.05.11 17:50

PeterMac wrote:Thank you for the photos. The bit JT says she saw, (second revised description obviously, not the bundle in the blanket), were the pyjama trousers. = WHITE
Kate cannot be called an outright liar here since some part of the pyjamas were undoubtedly pink, but it is a deliberate obfuscation.

Looking at those pyjamas, IF, and thats a BIG IF, you give any credence to JT's sighting, it DEFINATELY wasn't Madeleine she saw. Look again at the pictures.

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Post by PeterMac on 26.05.11 17:55

p. 349 "Madeleine would be the first person to correct anyone who makes the mistake of shortening her name. "I'm not Maddie, I'm Madeleine!' And quite right too. it's often done inadvertently, or in a good-natured attempt to sound more familiar or friendly, but the press know what her name is and to this day they insist on calling her Maddie or Maddy. I find it quite disrespectful."
I think there are examples of members of the family using that form, but then later on
p 359, para 3, "...though it wasn't much fun watching my little Seany, all red-face, blotchy and sobbing..."
So far as I can tell this is the only time she has ever used this diminutive form. Have we heard or read it elsewhere ? Children's names with one, or with more than two syllables are often extended or truncated to two, so that calling them is easier and can be done on a falling inflection of a musical third, (Soh and Mi to be precise, try it )
so James > Ja-mie, Madeleine > Mad- die, Sean > Sea- ny, Kate > Ka-tey, and so on. Pe-ter, Ger-ry, Da-vid, are OK as they stand.

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Post by PeterMac on 26.05.11 18:06

p. 283 "We have no doubt that M3 made significant strides, but unfortunately, in mid-December, one of their senior investigators gave an overly optimistic interview to the media. He implied that the team were close to finding Madeleine and declared that he hopes she would be home by Christmas."

UNFORTUNATELY, on 22nd December 2007 I wrote to Bates, Wells and Braithwaite on that very point, and the reply is in front of me, dated 11 January 2008

We acknowledge...etc
We are also replying on behalf of Haysmacintyre
We are advised by our clients that reports in the media purporting to be from the investigators, which made claims as to when Madeleine would be found are inaccurate and misrepresentations of their views. [my emphases]
Our client has every confidence in the investigators who continue to search for Madeleine.
Yours faithfully
BWB London LLP"


But now Kate is telling us that they were not inaccurate and not misrepresentations. So the lawyers were either lying on their behalf, or were lied to.
The normal protocol under those conditions is to withdraw and to refuse to represent the client any further

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Post by PeterMac on 26.05.11 18:12

p. 234 during the Clement Freud dinner, “ A couple of hours later, fortified by our brandies ( it was my first-ever taste of the stuff)”
But on p 274, talking about headlines which shocked her she quotes
"KATE’S ALCOHOL FUELLED UNIVERSITY DAYS"
and comments sardonically “OK, so maybe the odd one with a grain of truth in it...”
But she is able to say that she had never tasted brandy before. A Medical student, 6 years at university and Medical school, and more as a junior houseman, had NEVER tasted Brandy.
It may be true, but it really is not very likely, and does not add to the credence we are expected to place on her word.

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Post by PeterMac on 26.05.11 18:30

p. 96 "Finally I erupted. I began to scream, swear and lash out. I kicked an extra bed which had been brought into the apartment and smashed the end right off."
On p. 93, para 3 we learn that this is clearly in Apartment 4G.
Even if 4G is only a one bedroom apartment (help needed here) it would have two beds. The twins had their cots. For whom had this 'extra' bed been brought in. Who asked for it. Who brought it. And where was it ?

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Post by Baronstu on 27.05.11 11:55

Yesterday, after the daily routine, MADELEINE and the twins were put to bed in their respective beds, and he stresses put to bed, at 7.30 pm. Gerald's statement.

Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went into the bedroom and were put in their beds at around 7.30. The witness and her husband stayed in the apartment, relaxing, until 8.30pm. She took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband. Kate's Statement.

We helped Sean and Amelie give their big sister a ‘night-night’ kiss before laying them
in their adjacent travel cots. Then we kissed the twins, and kissed Madeleine, already snuggled down with her ‘princess’
blanket and Cuddle Cat – a soft toy she’d been given soon after she was born and never went to bed without. We were in no
doubt that all three would be asleep in an instant. As always, we left the door a few inches open to allow a glimmer of light
into the room.
Between 7.15 and 7.30pm Gerry took his shower and I went to blow-dry my wayward fringe and put on a bit of make-up. We
then sat down together in the sitting room for three-quarters of an hour or so and relaxed with a drink.

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Post by PeterMac on 28.05.11 9:06

p. 69 "...Cuddle Cat - a soft toy she'd been given soon after she was born and never went to bed without."
Were we not also told that Cuddle cat was
1 A present for her 4th birthday, (one assumes given a week early)
2 Taken to work regularly by Kate, especially when dealing with corpses
If we look at the pictures of the beast in question it does not look as if it is 4 years old. It does actually look very new.

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Post by LittleMissMolly on 28.05.11 10:00

PeterMac wrote:p. 69 "...Cuddle Cat - a soft toy she'd been given soon after she was born and never went to bed without."
Were we not also told that Cuddle cat was
1 A present for her 4th birthday, (one assumes given a week early)
2 Taken to work regularly by Kate, especially when dealing with corpses
If we look at the pictures of the beast in question it does not look as if it is 4 years old. It does actually look very new.

I never believed that Cuddle Cat was a much loved, from tiny, child's toy ... He's just too non-scruffy. His 'fur', features and stuffing are even which is something that just doesn't happen after a toy has been loved, thrown up on, dribbled on, had juice and milk spilled on it, been carted everywhere and washed repeatedly for 4 years.

By the time my kids were 4 their 'comfort' toys were lumpy, saggy in places and looked very 'loved' (ie scruffy)! My friends' children's stalwarts looked much the same i don\'t know

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Post by PeterMac on 28.05.11 16:24

Sorry to bring it up again.
Gerry’s statement
At the time of her disappearance, she was wearing pyjamas with white floral-patterned trousers and a short-sleeved top, which was mainly pink in colour, with a blue and grey donkey figure on the front, with the inscription "EEYORE".
Kate’s statement
At the time of her disappearance, she was wearing pyjamas, with white bottoms with a floral pattern and a frill at the end. The short-sleeved top, mainly pink with a blue-grey donkey figure on the front, bearing the inscription "EEYORE", an inscription which was also on one of the trouser legs.
The pyjamas are of the "Marks and Spencer" brand.

Kate's book
p. 171 "We were able to show a pair of pyjamas like Madeleine's on the programme, which was particularly important since at the time it has been incorrectly stated in some press reports that her pyjamas were white."

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