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How to carry a child - (shamelessly nicked from unterdenteppich)

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Post by oakeso on 01.12.13 10:41

The beige trousers were mentioned on the morning of 4th.

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It's been pointed out many times that the PJ bottoms were knee length therefore wouldn't even been seen, let alone making out a pattern from the distance. 

Note how Kate uses the same ruffle detail in her cardigan to try to emphasize the ruffles in the PJ bottoms which are barely noticeable upfront let alone from any distance.

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Post by Guest on 01.12.13 11:02

I simply think that the fact that Aoife chose to undertake extensive research into this particular subject indicates that the Smith sighting is genuine.

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Post by Veritas on 01.12.13 12:04

Dee Coy wrote:I simply think that the fact that Aoife chose to undertake extensive research into this particular subject indicates that the Smith sighting is genuine.
That makes two of us.

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Post by tigger on 01.12.13 12:57

@oakeso wrote:The beige trousers were mentioned on the morning of 4th.

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It's been pointed out many times that the PJ bottoms were knee length therefore wouldn't even been seen, let alone making out a pattern from the distance. 

Note how Kate uses the same ruffle detail in her cardigan to try to emphasize the ruffles in the PJ bottoms which are barely noticeable upfront let alone from any distance.
Would you have a link to that? Iirc they did not give any statements till much later.

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Post by oakeso on 01.12.13 13:07

Tigger, I think perhaps I have misunderstood your post as I know you'll  have seen JT's statement. But here it is anyway. 


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER.htm


( * ) Dark skinned individual, male sex, aged between 35-40, slim physical appearance, about 1.70m tall. Very dark, thick hair, longer at the back (she could only see him from behind). He was wearing linen type cloth trousers, beige to golden in colour, a "duffy" sic type jacket (but not that thick). His shoes were dark in colour, classic type. He had a hurried walk. He was carrying a child, who was lying on both his arms, in front of his chest. By the way he was dressed, he gave her the impression that he was not a tourist, because he was very "warmly dressed".

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Post by tigger on 01.12.13 13:33

@oakeso wrote:Tigger, I think perhaps I have misunderstood your post as I know you'll  have seen JT's statement. But here it is anyway. 


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER.htm


( * ) Dark skinned individual, male sex, aged between 35-40, slim physical appearance, about 1.70m tall. Very dark, thick hair, longer at the back (she could only see him from behind). He was wearing linen type cloth trousers, beige to golden in colour, a "duffy" sic type jacket (but not that thick). His shoes were dark in colour, classic type. He had a hurried walk. He was carrying a child, who was lying on both his arms, in front of his chest. By the way he was dressed, he gave her the impression that he was not a tourist, because he was very "warmly dressed".
I don't remember every detail, I'm afraid. The statement was given at 11.30 in the morning. However a drawing of eggman was only made public in September/October. 
My point was simply from which moment it was public knowledge. I'd have to go through all the press rubbish to find out. 
I may revive an old topic on the timelines and changes of abductors. 

Since the Smiths didn't come forward for some time, it would be useful to know if their account could be derived from press reports. 

Thank you for the link. I see you've erasedthe lovely sheep avatar. There's a lovely twitter account called 'herdyshepherd', you'll really likei it.

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Post by oakeso on 01.12.13 14:27

The fact that a sketch was made was released as early as 7th May. 

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/1may7/ADELAIDE_NOW_07_05_07.htm

I liked the sheeple avatar too but exchanged it for a "cautiously optimistic t-shirt" but am since having an identity crisis.

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Post by PeterMac on 01.12.13 14:40

(Apply the word "allegedly" throughout)

JT said pinkish PJ trousers
She could not have seen them, since they are clearly too short
Kate added that JT had seen short sleeves.
JT had never said this and in any event could not possibly have seen them

Kate held up the pyjamas, with short white legs, sleeveless pink top (or an identical pair - as they hastily had to ad lib when asked. One of the first time anyone has picked up on their manifest absurdities, but sadly it was not followed up.)
Smithman was carrying a child wearing long sleeves

(Apply the word "allegedly" throughout)

Conclusion ?
You didn't really expect it to make sense, did you !

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Post by russiandoll on 01.12.13 15:02

Not a betting person but I would place a decent amount on Ella O Brien wearing long sleeved pjs that night.
     And being sedated

both imo

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Post by tigger on 01.12.13 16:00

@oakeso wrote:The fact that a sketch was made was released as early as 7th May. 

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/1may7/ADELAIDE_NOW_07_05_07.htm

I liked the sheeple avatar too but exchanged it for a "cautiously optimistic t-shirt" but am since having an identity crisis.
Guilhermino Encarnacao, the director of judicial police in Faro, said the initial drawing of the suspect was not being released to "safeguard the child's life". 

Again, thanks for the link. Although Gerry's blogs start a good deal later, after all the hassle of setting up the Ltd. Co. 
iirc Gordon Brown intervened to have a sketch of the abductor released once they were back in the UK? 
Not to the liking of the PJ.

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Post by watendlath on 06.12.13 7:20

@PeterMac wrote:If the child is alive you carry it like this



If, sadly it is not, then this is more usual


In other words Crecheman is carrying his child in a very unnatural way.

But also, the weather was cold enough for him to be wearing a jacket, whereas the child is wearing light summer clothing and was not covered in a blanket, as J Tanner remarked.
If you're  a parent holding a child who is not adequately dressed for the weather, then the natural thing to do is to snuggle him up close to you to keep him warm.

Crecheman is obviously a figment of A Redwood's imagination; he may have a reason for this, but no way is he real.


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Post by russiandoll on 06.12.13 9:19

Crecheman imo is not real, but there was a man carrying a child in that position during the playing out of the drama because a deceased child was removed from apartment 5a.

 Another man was carrying an alive and deeply asleep child towards the beach, wanting to be seen. A risky business.  Not Russell, too tall and so would stick in the mind immediately. Not David, easily remembered for the balding head and glasses. Not Matt, with his very close cropped silver hair, also ruled out as he would be probably jittery and ill at ease, unsuitable for the task.

 A man of average or just above average height preferable, as would have been the hair of a nondescript mousy brown, cut in an average style.Not an average person however regarding arrogance and maybe even regarding the "rush" to be obtained due to the risk.

 Once seen, could return and the drama could play out.

The Smith sighting was useful as long as it did what it was supposed to, once the story was out that Smith's memory kicked in with the walk off the plane on to the tarmac, there would be silence and the burying of those incriminating e fits.

 imo as always, I know the controversy over this sighting.

 As for Kate drawing attention to it in her book, there must have been an agenda for that. There is always an angle.

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Post by Guest on 12.05.14 22:37

Topic revived due to current mention (again!) of the Smiths.

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Post by puzzled on 12.05.14 23:29

A thought has just occurred to me - does anyone know if Gerry McCann is left-handed or right-handed?

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Post by Guest on 12.05.14 23:48

@puzzled wrote:A thought has just occurred to me - does anyone know if Gerry McCann is left-handed or right-handed?
Right handed IIRC.

Why?

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Post by puzzled on 12.05.14 23:53

Andrew77R wrote:
@puzzled wrote:A thought has just occurred to me - does anyone know if Gerry McCann is left-handed or right-handed?
Right handed IIRC.

Why?
 I just thought that if he carried a child in a 'left-handed' way, it might be just the kind of detail to jog the memory. But if he's right-handed, I guess not.

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Post by Guest on 13.05.14 8:59

The handedness of the abductor was my very first post on here. Gosh that takes me back! It was based on a video I saw on youtube and a member of the public had recreated the position of the bed, window,etc. in her own home, arguing that it just wouldn't have worked that way. It was one of the first things I ever saw in relation to the McCann case.

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t5070-left-right-handedness-of-abductor?highlight=handedness

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Post by joyce1938 on 13.05.14 10:52

I wonder would it make any difference wgich handed he was ? I used to carry my kids on left shoulder  to leave right hand free to support ,or steady myself  to make sure I could put out right hand for other reasons. To walk upstairs for instance I would hold the stair rail with right hand . joyce1938

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Post by Hongkong Phooey on 13.05.14 12:04

Generally I think most folk would carry a child starting with their strongest arm, I'm left handed but carried the kids on my right side until tired. Doesn't help much!

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