WOW A MUST READ -Madeleine clues hidden for five years - Sunday Times Full article now on Page 1

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candyfloss wrote:Mike Spudgun ‏@spudgun01 9h
So, Scotland Yard spent an estimated £5m on presenting us with what the #McCanns have already been sitting on for 5 years.

Dear old spudders.....

Mirage wrote:

Tangledweb wrote:Yes, they suppressed vital information, and they can try and spin that by trying to make that information look dubious all they like, but no matter, it isn't just the suppression that is igniting the flame - what about the 'sleep patterns' bit and the 'hypercritical' bit about the parents - there is so much in that article (which is now in the Mail) that casts the parents in such a bad light.   Even at the most basic level, what right minded parents leave a little girl, who was prone to waking up and looking for mummy and daddy in that apartment, night after night?  The apartment which is so clear in the public's mind (thanks to Crimewatch) right near a road, and not 'your garden' as daddy spouted?  

It was abduction at all costs for this pair, right from the start - no other opinion (I thought woke and wandered initially) was allowed.  

The McCanns should never, ever have been in a position where they could dictate terms to anyone.  That they paid their own PI's, out of the public's generous donations, to find their little girl, because they didn't like the police investigation (wonder why?) and then decided to suppress those findings, is appalling.  No spin, no added sentences to the original Sunday Time article, and no excuses in the world will ever change that.

People are waking up to what they are like, and how they have controlled (or paid people to control) what right minded people think for too long.  About bloody time.

I totally agree.

What other couple of nobodies have had ambassadors, press conferences, a fund, a meeting with the pope, phone calls from a prime minister etc etc and for what? A serious case of child endangerment. You still have to blink hard to believe this has been the pattern for six years to the point where they have even laughed in our faces as they lied, so secure and special did they feel.

Now we have the Crimewash show touring selected venues round Europe with the duo that NEVER were cleared by the Portuguese.

Next up, this car crash of a revelation from the ST yesterday. I can safely say that AR is not the only claimant to a revelatory moment.

This means the public need to know, on a need to know basis (FOI), exactly when this information came the way of SY.
 
The public also need to know, given this certainly came to AR's attention pre CW, why he didn't form a different view of the McCanns other than the one he had been promulgating right up to, during, and after the broadcast.

The public rightly need to know why AR has apparently not had the basic courtesy of consulting the writers of the report and explaining, in confidence, that this material is pertinent to the on-going enquiry. These guys were ex MI5 FFS so would understand the need for secrecy.

The public now need to know exactly what is going on. Because this much I do know: the case ain't going away. Too much information is in the public domain. AND, whoever is at the bottom of this massive heist - however important someone thinks they may be - is not worth ruining the reputation of this country for.

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Better rush to order your tat quickly in case this terrible news is true!
 
http://www.findmadeleine.com/online_store/index.html

ChillyHeat wrote:

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Better rush to order your tat quickly in case this terrible news is true!
 
http://www.findmadeleine.com/online_store/index.html

I was wondering if its possible that nothing has changed on this site, with Tannerman still being on there etc etc..... Could it be possible that it may be due to it being part of evidence, so maybe SY has got some sort of warrant or something to have it not to be altered ? Only thing I can think of why nothing has changed....

kinell wrote:

ChillyHeat wrote:

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Better rush to order your tat quickly in case this terrible news is true!
 
http://www.findmadeleine.com/online_store/index.html

I was wondering if its possible that nothing has changed on this site, with Tannerman still being on there etc etc..... Could it be possible that it may be due to it being part of evidence, so maybe SY has got some sort of warrant or something to have it not to be altered ? Only thing I can think of why nothing has changed....

Isn't Kate McCann due to give a speech about Missing People soon? If that goes ahead and she's able to continue to spout her lies then I will assume nothing has changed in this case.

Tangledweb wrote:Yes, they suppressed vital information, and they can try and spin that by trying to make that information look dubious all they like, but no matter, it isn't just the suppression that is igniting the flame - what about the 'sleep patterns' bit and the 'hypercritical' bit about the parents - there is so much in that article (which is now in the Mail) that casts the parents in such a bad light.   Even at the most basic level, what right minded parents leave a little girl, who was prone to waking up and looking for mummy and daddy in that apartment, night after night?  The apartment which is so clear in the public's mind (thanks to Crimewatch) right near a road, and not 'your garden' as daddy spouted?  

It was abduction at all costs for this pair, right from the start - no other opinion (I thought woke and wandered initially) was allowed.  

The McCanns should never, ever have been in a position where they could dictate terms to anyone.  That they paid their own PI's, out of the public's generous donations, to find their little girl, because they didn't like the police investigation (wonder why?) and then decided to suppress those findings, is appalling.  No spin, no added sentences to the original Sunday Time article, and no excuses in the world will ever change that.

People are waking up to what they are like, and how they have controlled (or paid people to control) what right minded people think for too long.  About bloody time.

kinell wrote:

ChillyHeat wrote:

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Better rush to order your tat quickly in case this terrible news is true!
 
http://www.findmadeleine.com/online_store/index.html

I was wondering if its possible that nothing has changed on this site, with Tannerman still being on there etc etc..... Could it be possible that it may be due to it being part of evidence, so maybe SY has got some sort of warrant or something to have it not to be altered ? Only thing I can think of why nothing has changed....

Isn't Kate McCann due to give a speech about Missing People soon? If that goes ahead and she's able to continue to spout her lies then I will assume nothing has changed in this case.

plebgate wrote:

1) The point is the case was  shelved not closed. 

Agreed

2) The fact that the report was suppressed would not lead to the case being re-opened, new evidence has led to the case being re-opened.

The new evidence IMO IS that the report was suppressed. The police knew the content of the report already. Because they had already reached the same conclusions.

3) We do not know whether anyone is suspect yet.  Someone might be, but info. not divulged.

I am certain that the police can see what we can see.

4) If the PJ thought the parents were innocent they could have re-opened the case - not quite sure I understand that?

The PJ made it clear they suspected the parents. In 2007/8 they wanted to continue their investigation through a reconstruction. It was impossible to follow that line of enquiry because the Tapas group refused to return to Portugal. To force them to do so they would have had to extradite them, which would be very expensive. So they shelved the case instead. Reopening in those circumstances would bring them back to square one, a reconstruction.

However, if they believed in the McCanns innocence, by evidence of abduction for example, they might have reopened the investigation in 2008 onwards to investigate new leads on this theory.

Now there is new information in the form of 2 efits. The PJ knew about the Smith sighting already. If the McCanns had sent the efits to them, that might be evidence of the McCanns innocence. But they did not. This episode has only made the McCanns seem more suspicious.

So the PJ couldn't reopen the investigation, until now, when they have done so IMO to assist SY. There is, possibly, evidence of the McCanns guilt in the suppression of the report. The Portuguese are in an entirely different situation with the co operation of the British.


5) All only our own opinions of course, so we will wait and see.

Yes

kinell wrote:

ChillyHeat wrote:

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Better rush to order your tat quickly in case this terrible news is true!
 
http://www.findmadeleine.com/online_store/index.html

I was wondering if its possible that nothing has changed on this site, with Tannerman still being on there etc etc..... Could it be possible that it may be due to it being part of evidence, so maybe SY has got some sort of warrant or something to have it not to be altered ? Only thing I can think of why nothing has changed....

Isn't Kate McCann due to give a speech about Missing People soon? If that goes ahead and she's able to continue to spout her lies then I will assume nothing has changed in this case.

dotdot wrote:

Pennypennypenny wrote:Why did they employ PI's in the first place. What were they hoping to achieve?

the only reason i can think of would be to give the illusion that the PJ could not be relied upon and that they were having to take matters into their own hands.  backfired a bit!

jozi wrote:

Tangledweb wrote:Yes, they suppressed vital information, and they can try and spin that by trying to make that information look dubious all they like, but no matter, it isn't just the suppression that is igniting the flame - what about the 'sleep patterns' bit and the 'hypercritical' bit about the parents - there is so much in that article (which is now in the Mail) that casts the parents in such a bad light.   Even at the most basic level, what right minded parents leave a little girl, who was prone to waking up and looking for mummy and daddy in that apartment, night after night?  The apartment which is so clear in the public's mind (thanks to Crimewatch) right near a road, and not 'your garden' as daddy spouted?  

It was abduction at all costs for this pair, right from the start - no other opinion (I thought woke and wandered initially) was allowed.  

The McCanns should never, ever have been in a position where they could dictate terms to anyone.  That they paid their own PI's, out of the public's generous donations, to find their little girl, because they didn't like the police investigation (wonder why?) and then decided to suppress those findings, is appalling.  No spin, no added sentences to the original Sunday Time article, and no excuses in the world will ever change that.

People are waking up to what they are like, and how they have controlled (or paid people to control) what right minded people think for too long.  About bloody time.

Totally agree about the Mcs should never have been able to dictate to anyone.......they were suspects for god sake !!!

bristow wrote:(Sunday Times)"team of hand-picked former MI5 agents had been hired by the McCanns to chase a much-needed breakthrough (...) Henri Exton, MI5’s former undercover operations chief."

Beanie wrote:

kinell wrote:

ChillyHeat wrote:

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Better rush to order your tat quickly in case this terrible news is true!
 
http://www.findmadeleine.com/online_store/index.html

I was wondering if its possible that nothing has changed on this site, with Tannerman still being on there etc etc..... Could it be possible that it may be due to it being part of evidence, so maybe SY has got some sort of warrant or something to have it not to be altered ? Only thing I can think of why nothing has changed....

Isn't Kate McCann due to give a speech about Missing People soon? If that goes ahead and she's able to continue to spout her lies then I will assume nothing has changed in this case.

I wonder how the Missing People charity now feel about their dear ambassador Kate, being that she with held important information in the search for her own child.  You couldn't make it up.

Beanie wrote:On the point of Madeleines sleeping patterns. I remember a long thread on 3As that Madeleine went missing/hiding in the grounds when it was bedtime.

Does anyone know if this was a myth or actually true?

Praiaaa wrote:This really a historic occasion. Mumsnet members openly discussing cadaver dogs, freezers for body storage, Gaspar, Payne, the Fund, the mortgage payments, sedation, and best of all Amaral is being treated with respect.