DCI Redwood - freudian slip or misquote

by Sceptic 14.10.13 13:15

Mr Redwood said: ‘Whilst this man may or may not be the key to unlocking this investigation, tracing and speaking to him is of vital importance to us. We have witnesses placing him in the resort area around the time of Madeleine’s disappearance.
‘This is far from our only line of inquiry and there will be e-fits released of other sightings as well, who we are equally keen to trace.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2458355/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Police-promise-revelation-Crimewatch.html#ixzz2hhGNGIgr

by whmon 14.10.13 13:35

And what about this quote from the BBC news online page:

DCI Redwood said that police had sought to "try and draw everything back to zero... take everything back to the beginning and then reanalyse and reassess everything, accepting nothing".

Accepting nothing! Is this promising?

by **PeterMac** 14.10.13 13:39

whmon wrote:And what about this quote from the BBC news online page:
DCI Redwood said that police had sought to "try and draw everything back to zero... take everything back to the beginning and then reanalyse and reassess everything, accepting nothing".
Accepting nothing! Is this promising?

Accepting nothing is good.
Drawing back to Zero is also good, unless you choose 8:15pm 3/5/7 as Zero.
That is NOT good, it is just stupid.

by Truthandjustice 14.10.13 13:41

PeterMac wrote:
whmon wrote:And what about this quote from the BBC news online page:
DCI Redwood said that police had sought to "try and draw everything back to zero... take everything back to the beginning and then reanalyse and reassess everything, accepting nothing".
Accepting nothing! Is this promising?
Accepting nothing is good.
Drawing back to Zero is also good, unless you choose 8:15pm 3/5/7 as Zero.
That is NOT good, it is just stupid.

Absolutely. Presumably Zero in standard police practice would be the last sighting by an independent witness i.e. 5.30pm at the creche?

by endgame 14.10.13 13:43

PeterMac wrote:
whmon wrote:And what about this quote from the BBC news online page:
DCI Redwood said that police had sought to "try and draw everything back to zero... take everything back to the beginning and then reanalyse and reassess everything, accepting nothing".
Accepting nothing! Is this promising?
Accepting nothing is good.
Drawing back to Zero is also good, unless you choose 8:15pm 3/5/7 as Zero.
That is NOT good, it is just stupid.

Yes Peter, it would be horribly reminiscent of the Hillsborough Coroner deciding that the cut off point for the inquest would be 3.15 thus rendering the exercise pointless and leading to a 23 year struggle for justice.

by **Tony Bennett** 14.10.13 13:46

"...try and draw everything back to zero..."

Can anyone, hand on heart, say what this absurd phrase actually means?

Is it only senior police officers who can 'draw everything back to zero'?

Or does it have much wider application for other professions, occupations and situations?

by endgame 14.10.13 13:54

Tony Bennett wrote:"...try and draw everything back to zero..."

Can anyone, hand on heart, say what this absurd phrase actually means?

Is it only senior police officers who can 'draw everything back to zero'?

Or does it have much wider application for other professions, occupations and situations?

I think it means "ignore all the evidence and pretend the PJ investigation never happened".

by **PeterMac** 14.10.13 13:55

Truthandjustice wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
whmon wrote:And what about this quote from the BBC news online page:
DCI Redwood said that police had sought to "try and draw everything back to zero... take everything back to the beginning and then reanalyse and reassess everything, accepting nothing".
Accepting nothing! Is this promising?
Accepting nothing is good.
Drawing back to Zero is also good, unless you choose 8:15pm 3/5/7 as Zero.
That is NOT good, it is just stupid.
Absolutely. Presumably Zero in standard police practice would be the last sighting by an independent witness i.e. 5.30pm at the creche?

There is considerable doubt about that one as well.
None of the Tapas mob say they saw her at all on 3rd, except one, who has obviously confused the days and is corrected strenuously in his rogatory by her partner.
The parents are at great pains to make sure that the rest of the gang, uniquely, were down at the beach when the parents say they got her back from the creche - there are two stories about that as well, so again we have to choose one or the other, or possibly reject both.
There is in short very little concrete evidence that Madeleine was alive at all on 3rd.
The dogs support that view.

by jeanmonroe 14.10.13 13:56

Why don't SY just 'try and draw everything back to' ACTUAL people that have admitted to being in or around 5A, from 5:30pm-10:00pm on 3rd May 2007?

Oh, silly me, that would be their 'clients'... the T9!

by sallypelt 14.10.13 13:58

Tony Bennett wrote:"...try and draw everything back to zero..."

Can anyone, hand on heart, say what this absurd phrase actually means?

Is it only senior police officers who can 'draw everything back to zero'?

Or does it have much wider application for other professions, occupations and situations?

Tony, I take it to mean that like a puzzle someone has tried to put together, but they know that some of the pieces are in the wrong place, after many attempts at moving pieces around, and messing up the pieces in their right places, the person dismantles it completely and starts again, but they keep in mind where the correct pieces go. This is what I believe Redwood meant by "everything going back to zero". Also, I think the mobile phone details will be crucial in this case. I don't know how accurate mobiles are, but would it be possible to tell if someone has a mobile on in the Ocean Club, or in their apartment? Is technology on mobiles that accurate?

by jeanmonroe 14.10.13 14:01

endgame wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:"...try and draw everything back to zero..."

Can anyone, hand on heart, say what this absurd phrase actually means?

Is it only senior police officers who can 'draw everything back to zero'?

Or does it have much wider application for other professions, occupations and situations?

I think it means "ignore all the evidence and pretend the PJ investigation never happened".

Yeah, so SY 'elites' have spent £6 million and 2 years 5 months 'examining' 40,000 pages of BLANKNESS!

by Truthandjustice 14.10.13 14:03

PeterMac wrote:
Truthandjustice wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
whmon wrote:And what about this quote from the BBC news online page:
DCI Redwood said that police had sought to "try and draw everything back to zero... take everything back to the beginning and then reanalyse and reassess everything, accepting nothing".
Accepting nothing! Is this promising?
Accepting nothing is good.
Drawing back to Zero is also good, unless you choose 8:15pm 3/5/7 as Zero.
That is NOT good, it is just stupid.
Absolutely. Presumably Zero in standard police practice would be the last sighting by an independent witness i.e. 5.30pm at the creche?
There is considerable doubt about that one as well.
None of the Tapas mob say they saw her at all on 3rd, except one, who has obviously confused the days and is corrected strenuously in his rogatory by her partner.
The parents are at great pains to make sure that the rest of the gang, uniquely, were down at the beach when the parents say they got her back from the creche - there are two stories about that as well, so again we have to choose one or the other, or possibly reject both.
There is in short very little concrete evidence that Madeleine was alive at all on 3rd.
The dogs support that view.

Ah ok. I was going with Amaral on that one who seemed pretty convinced that the creche sighting was sound. (It was in an interview with him)

by whmon 14.10.13 14:20

'A Madeleine shaped hole'. Is this KM wi9th a Freudian slip?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10375350/McCanns-talk-of-Madeleine-shaped-hole-on-Crimewatch.html

by Sceptic 14.10.13 14:35

The freudian slip i was referring to was "THIS IS FAR FROM OUR LINE OF ENQUIRY" whilst referring to the person in the e-fits. What does he mean by that statement

by MoonGoddess 14.10.13 14:59

Truthandjustice wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
whmon wrote:And what about this quote from the BBC news online page:
DCI Redwood said that police had sought to "try and draw everything back to zero... take everything back to the beginning and then reanalyse and reassess everything, accepting nothing".
Accepting nothing! Is this promising?
Accepting nothing is good.
Drawing back to Zero is also good, unless you choose 8:15pm 3/5/7 as Zero.
That is NOT good, it is just stupid.
Absolutely. Presumably Zero in standard police practice would be the last sighting by an independent witness i.e. 5.30pm at the creche?

I think Zero should include an out and out through 'background check' on K&G and all the Tapas Crew...... it is what led to events on May 3rd 2007 that contributed to the incident... [not that I believe it was pre-planned] but K&G's relationship both with each other and the kids was a contributory factor...

by paddinton 14.10.13 15:03

Sceptic wrote:The freudian slip i was referring to was "THIS IS FAR FROM OUR LINE OF ENQUIRY" whilst referring to the person in the e-fits. What does he mean by that statement

I think this is a misquote and he said "This is far from our ONLY line of enquiry"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-crimewatch-reconstruction-e-fits-2368473

(Paragraph well down the page, just below the photo of Madeleine.)

by Who?What?Where? 16.10.13 1:30

I think that going back to zero, means that they realise that they have made a massive mistake, are afraid that there may be consequences, (which there should be), and that they would like to start all over again, with everyone forgetting, what they were up to before. That would be very convenient.

Unfortunately for them, this is a zero sum game. Trying to assume an authority, in that sort of game, is probably not a good idea, unless you really are prepared to tell the truth.