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Re: SY New Theory - Burglars

Post by Smokeandmirrors on 05.10.13 18:48

It has occurred to me that in order for SY to get the go-ahead to investigate on Portugese soil, a deal was struck between SY and the PJ.

Whilst the libel trial is going on, the Brits are being given the false impression in the MSM that the PJ are a bunch of fools. They would no way allow another force onto their patch while this is a common view, it would be thoroughly insulting to national pride etc.

So, a flurry of BS statements by SY PROVING that the search is still VERY STRONG, allows the Judge to rule in Amarals favour, and rendering the McCanns claims as cr@p of the most malodorous order, albeit stating the bleedin' obvious after four long years of a lawsuit sat gathering dust in the pending file. Portugese honour is somewhat restored and ergo a working relationship between the two forces can be more meaningfully established. Then all those early witnesses, poor people who lost their jobs at the Ocean Club because of the Gruesome Twosome, can be re-interviewed by Scotland Yard, and will have a new chance to re-iterate the facts, blowing wide apart the Tapas crew's statements. Then, there will be legitimate grounds for hauling in the right people for a thorough interrogation for the first time in 6 flipping long years.

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Re: SY New Theory - Burglars

Post by ShuBob on 05.10.13 19:00

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:It has occurred to me that in order for SY to get the go-ahead to investigate on Portugese soil, a deal was struck between SY and the PJ.

Whilst the libel trial is going on, the Brits are being given the false impression in the MSM that the PJ are a bunch of fools. They would no way allow another force onto their patch while this is a common view, it would be thoroughly insulting to national pride etc.

So, a flurry of BS statements by SY PROVING that the search is still VERY STRONG, allows the Judge to rule in Amarals favour, and rendering the McCanns claims as cr@p of the most malodorous order, albeit stating the bleedin' obvious after four long years of a lawsuit sat gathering dust in the pending file. Portugese honour is somewhat restored and ergo a working relationship between the two forces can be more meaningfully established. Then all those early witnesses, poor people who lost their jobs at the Ocean Club because of the Gruesome Twosome, can be re-interviewed by Scotland Yard, and will have a new chance to re-iterate the facts, blowing wide apart the Tapas crew's statements. Then, there will be legitimate grounds for hauling in the right people for a thorough interrogation for the first time in 6 flipping long years.
I pray it is so pray2

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Re: SY New Theory - Burglars

Post by Beanie on 05.10.13 19:02

Smokeandmirrors

I do hope you are right. I have noticed many of the posters on DMail are dumbfounded by the burglar scenario. Hopefully people are waking up to the fact that this latest scenario just could not fit no matter how you try to bend it.

I am sure this is all deflection away from the trial, but saying that there will be many reading the printed copies today that will take it all in hook line and sinker.

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Re: SY New Theory - Burglars

Post by Beanie on 05.10.13 19:07

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Re: SY New Theory - Burglars

Post by MRNOODLES on 05.10.13 19:12

@russiandoll wrote:and here is a definition of the crime of burglary

England and Wales[edit source | edit]
Main article: Burglary in English law
Burglary is defined by section 9 of the Theft Act 1968 which created two variants:[17]

  1. A person is guilty of burglary if he enters any building or part of a building as a trespasser with intent to steal, inflict grievous bodily harm or do unlawful damage to the building or anything in it.[Note 2]
  2. A person is guilty of burglary if, having entered a building or part of a building as a trespasser, he steals or attempts to steal anything in the building, or inflicts or attempts to inflict grievous bodily harm on any person in the building.
So it's as we were then, the BS abduction theory re-branded.

Or...

SY are in a round about way suggesting someone from the tapas crew sneaked in and did the crime (grievous bodily harm).

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Re: SY New Theory - Burglars

Post by jd on 05.10.13 20:32

These stories are getting more ridiculous by the day....This one is incredible BS, but what is really alarming is that there are many people who actually believe them!! Fluoride is evidently working to full effect

Well, if it was a burglar big grin  then SY should take into consideration these facts as shown by PeterMac

Working purely from the statements of Gerry McCann, Jeremy Wilkins, and Jane Tanner, and adding the time as we proceed we can estimate the following -

Gerry McCann left the Tapas bar 9:05 pm
Arrived at gate at bottom of stairs 9:06
Climbed stairs, entered apartment and went to bedroom 9:06.30s
Looked at children and had “proud father” moment 9:07
Used toilet 9:08
Left apartment, closing doors, went down stairs, met Jez Wilkins 9:09
Talked to Jez Wilkins 9:09 - 9:13 pm
Jane Tanner left Tapas bar 9:10 pm
JT arrived bottom of stairs, saw and passed the two men 9:11
JT saw abductor carrying child across top of road 9:11.05s

There is therefore, on their own timings, just two minutes and five seconds for the intruder to get in, seize Madeleine, get out again, and make his way round to the top of the road. To walk from the front door or window of the apartment to the left behind the low wall, then across the car park, then right to the corner of the street takes around 45 seconds. and a further 5 seconds to cross the street.
He has therefore around one minute and twenty seconds to enter, commit the crime, and exit.

This is an important point for the understanding of what happened.

Let it be stated once again.

If the man seen by Jane Tanner was the “abductor’ (edit: now burglar) and was carrying Madeleine, as the McCanns insist, he had available to him the time from Gerry McCann’s leaving the apartment to the sighting by Jane Tanner. And no more.

In this time of one minute and twenty seconds, the intruder has to
• Enter the apartment
Sedate all three children - in the dark (plus the time needed for the drugs to take effect)
• Select Madeleine as the victim - in the dark
• Open the shutters and window - if he used the front door to enter (with gerry mccann & Jez Wilkins right outside & where you could hear a pin drop)
• Pick Madeleine out of her bed - in the dark
• Turn her round so that her head is now to his left, rather than to his right, which is the way he would have approached her in the bed.
• Exit the apartment, either through the opened window and shutters, or through the front door, which he must then close silently behind him.
• Walk to the left along the path in front of the apartment, walk straight ahead across the car park, and then walk to the right along the road, and cross the street in front of Jane Tanner, the father of the very child he had just abducted, and another man who has his own child in a buggy.


Taking into account the travelling time, he has around one minute and twenty seconds in which to achieve the first seven items on the list.
How about SY also obtain the CRUCIAL files relating to Maddies disappearance that the Home Secretary Theresa May is keeping SECRET.....Does SY seriously want to solve this case?....ABSOLUTELY NOT! SY are working for the government/zionists to either keep it all nicely covered up or whitewash it....yet there are people who actually believe all the Mainstream Media BS stories & lies & distortions of facts. I'd advise these people to change their toothpaste & switch off Georgie Shaw

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Post by suzyjohnson on 05.10.13 21:23

Unfortunately what could come next is that JT must have been mistaken, and that MM must have disappeared, with the burglars, sometime after 9.35pm after all. That would be the only way they could make it all fit.

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Re: SY New Theory - Burglars

Post by MRNOODLES on 05.10.13 21:57

@suzyjohnson wrote:Unfortunately what could come next is that JT must have been mistaken, and that MM must have disappeared, with the burglars, sometime after 9.35pm after all. That would be the only way they could make it all fit.
Or SY have put JT under the spotlight and RO'B who wrote the timeline in the first place.

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Re: SY New Theory - Burglars

Post by suzyjohnson on 05.10.13 22:51

@MRNOODLES wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:Unfortunately what could come next is that JT must have been mistaken, and that MM must have disappeared, with the burglars, sometime after 9.35pm after all. That would be the only way they could make it all fit.
Or SY have put JT under the spotlight and RO'B who wrote the timeline in the first place.
Well, yes, those two are certainly in the middle of it all.

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Hoping the white paint hasn't been brought out yet!

Post by wilbeth on 05.10.13 23:31



Interesting that this "burglary" is being investigated by SY's     SCD1 - MIT - the latter which stands for Murder Investigation Team. I am a serving police officer with another force and this is a well known abbreviation. Odd too, burglary aside that is isn't being investigated by the Serious Crime Unit of SY. Maybe this is being treated as a murder enquiry after all. One can only hope that Madeleine gets the true justice she deserves and those responsible face up to the crimes that they have committed - regardless of who they know!

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Re: SY New Theory - Burglars

Post by Grande Finale on 06.10.13 2:27

The Lady in the apartment above the Mccanns reported in her statement for the Tuesday night (The crying episode 1hr 15 mins) that she heard the patio door sliding open. Strange then that there was no evidence from her of a door loudly slamming at 10.00pm on Thursday 3rd (Just as she sat down to watch the 10 o'clock News !)

Anyhow now we have the feckers forming an orderly queue outside 5A The caring couple followed by the abductor followed by the burglars closely followed by Gerry ..........Bring on the Dingoes I say !!

So is a burglar that abducts a child not an Abductor then ??

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Post by aiyoyo on 06.10.13 2:37

But the Yard did not say their "new" theory is about child burglary?

So who is spinning this and why? What's about to happen to cause this Dont look here, Look over there?

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Post by MRNOODLES on 06.10.13 12:42

@Grande Finale wrote:The Lady in the apartment above the Mccanns reported in her statement for the Tuesday night (The crying episode 1hr 15 mins) that she heard the patio door sliding open. Strange then that there was no evidence from her of a door loudly slamming at 10.00pm on Thursday 3rd (Just as she sat down to watch the 10 o'clock News !)

Anyhow now we have the feckers forming an orderly queue outside 5A The caring couple followed by the abductor followed by the burglars closely followed by Gerry ..........Bring on the Dingoes I say !!

So is a burglar that abducts a child not an Abductor then ??

wtf2
Depends on whether MM died in 5a.  Is taking a body abduction?  
If the body was taken and concealed, therefore it leaves a theory this burglar is known amongst the tapas group.  
So SY has to sort out who is responsible and who is an accessory before during and after.

IMO.

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Post by sonic72 on 06.10.13 17:18

@wilbeth wrote:

Interesting that this "burglary" is being investigated by SY's     SCD1 - MIT - the latter which stands for Murder Investigation Team. I am a serving police officer with another force and this is a well known abbreviation. Odd too, burglary aside that is isn't being investigated by the Serious Crime Unit of SY. Maybe this is being treated as a murder enquiry after all. One can only hope that Madeleine gets the true justice she deserves and those responsible face up to the crimes that they have committed - regardless of who they know!
Please arrest the McCann's, and take them in for further questioning! :)

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Re: SY New Theory - Burglars

Post by jozi on 06.10.13 17:54

@ShuBob wrote:
@Smokeandmirrors wrote:It has occurred to me that in order for SY to get the go-ahead to investigate on Portugese soil, a deal was struck between SY and the PJ.

Whilst the libel trial is going on, the Brits are being given the false impression in the MSM that the PJ are a bunch of fools. They would no way allow another force onto their patch while this is a common view, it would be thoroughly insulting to national pride etc.

So, a flurry of BS statements by SY PROVING that the search is still VERY STRONG, allows the Judge to rule in Amarals favour, and rendering the McCanns claims as cr@p of the most malodorous order, albeit stating the bleedin' obvious after four long years of a lawsuit sat gathering dust in the pending file. Portugese honour is somewhat restored and ergo a working relationship between the two forces can be more meaningfully established. Then all those early witnesses, poor people who lost their jobs at the Ocean Club because of the Gruesome Twosome, can be re-interviewed by Scotland Yard, and will have a new chance to re-iterate the facts, blowing wide apart the Tapas crew's statements. Then, there will be legitimate grounds for hauling in the right people for a thorough interrogation for the first time in 6 flipping long years.
I pray it is so pray2
I hope so too, always had faith in SY but these headlines and crap in the newspapers have guttered me .

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Post by Guest on 06.10.13 18:25

@jozi wrote: [...]
I hope so too, always had faith in SY but these headlines and crap in the newspapers have guttered me .
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And that's probably exactly what it is: crap.

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Post by plebgate on 06.10.13 19:08

Not sure what thread but someone posted it is all dogs' bllx.   Have to agree - STRAY dogs' bllx imo.titter

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Re: SY New Theory - Burglars

Post by galena on 06.10.13 19:42

How is this 'new'?  I know for a fact that this theory along with umpteen others has been raised - certainly on the original Digispy thread and dismissed as a possibility. It would be surprising if it had not - there is a limited number of ways Madeleine could have disappeared and I'm pretty certain that every single one has been discussed to death on some forum or another.  The popular media may give the impression that the internet is full of 'nutters' plotting against the McCanns but in fact virtually the only sensible rational discussions about Maddie's disappearance are those I've read on the internet.  The papers are full of nonsense like false leads and half-baked theories which contribute absolutely new to the search for what happened to Maddie ...

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Re: SY New Theory - Burglars

Post by russiandoll on 08.10.13 16:06

According to this tall tale, burglars , who I presume were moving about quietly, woke a girl who never woke up until the early hours of the morning.

 And this report as ludicrous as it is, is planting firmly in the minds of the readers

 that she was alone

 that awake, she would have been terrified 

 that she probably made a lot of noise

 that the twins were not disturbed by the burglar[s], nor by their crying and presumably terrified sister

that the burglar[s] must have had time to sedate Maddie before Jane Tanner saw the abduction

that the burglar, presumably needing a quick getaway with this child

left doors , gate and curtains closed [ this is how Kate found the balcony area]

 and made Maddie's bed , because if she was awake, it would not allow for the gentle lifting and not disturbing the bed story.

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Post by worriedmum on 08.10.13 16:16

''and made Maddie's bed , because if she was awake, it would not allow for the gentle lifting and not disturbing the bed story.''

Quite. And did they also make her a cup of tea the day before?

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Post by ultimaThule on 08.10.13 21:33

@worriedmum wrote:''and made Maddie's bed , because if she was awake, it would not allow for the gentle lifting and not disturbing the bed story.''

Quite. And did they also make her a cup of tea the day before?
No doubt the abductors slipped a delayed action sedative into Madeleine's cuppa when they popped in the night before they took her - one of those pills that doesn't have any effect until triggered by soundwaves, such as those caused by a shutter being jemmied open or the sound of a parent taking a leak c9pm.

They may not be available in Boots just yet, but I'm sure they're in production somewhere in the lawless hills of Luz Portugal.

There was no need to drug the twins as their parents always took care of that they've always been remarkably good sleepers.

Thanks to their earlier careers as ballet dancers, after they'd jemmied the shutters the abductors were able to slip lithely through the narrow open window leaving no trace of fibre or other potentially identifying material and tip-toe en pointe silently past the twins' cots to Madeleine's bed.  

After lifting the child from her bed, it was a simple matter of a couple of pirouettes to the front door and bob's your uncle - job done.  Pausing only to carry out invisible repairs to the damaged shutters, the abductors made their escape in leaps and bounds.

I suggest the police look for a pair of men in tights; or should that be a pair of tights with men in them?

[waits for men in white coats to knock at door]

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Post by plebgate on 08.10.13 21:37

I read on the forum that in her book Mrs. says that she thought Maddie seemed excessively tired when she picked her up from the creche.   Did she state this at the time to the police in 2007?

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Post by Daisy on 09.10.13 19:21

@galena wrote:How is this 'new'?  I know for a fact that this theory along with umpteen others has been raised - certainly on the original Digispy thread and dismissed as a possibility. It would be surprising if it had not - there is a limited number of ways Madeleine could have disappeared and I'm pretty certain that every single one has been discussed to death on some forum or another.  The popular media may give the impression that the internet is full of 'nutters' plotting against the McCanns but in fact virtually the only sensible rational discussions about Maddie's disappearance are those I've read on the internet.  The papers are full of nonsense like false leads and half-baked theories which contribute absolutely new to the search for what happened to Maddie ...
You're correct galena, defintely not a new theory.

Madeleine: Portuguese police to re-examine burglaries at resort
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Last updated at 11:48 19 August 2007  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-476064/Madeleine-Portuguese-police-examine-burglaries-resort.html

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Post by tigger on 09.10.13 19:41

@Daisy wrote:
@galena wrote:How is this 'new'?  I know for a fact that this theory along with umpteen others has been raised - certainly on the original Digispy thread and dismissed as a possibility. It would be surprising if it had not - there is a limited number of ways Madeleine could have disappeared and I'm pretty certain that every single one has been discussed to death on some forum or another.  The popular media may give the impression that the internet is full of 'nutters' plotting against the McCanns but in fact virtually the only sensible rational discussions about Maddie's disappearance are those I've read on the internet.  The papers are full of nonsense like false leads and half-baked theories which contribute absolutely new to the search for what happened to Maddie ...
You're correct galena, defintely not a new theory.

Madeleine: Portuguese police to re-examine burglaries at resort
By FIONA BARTON
Last updated at 11:48 19 August 2007  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-476064/Madeleine-Portuguese-police-examine-burglaries-resort.html
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Re: SY New Theory - Burglars

Post by Nereid on 09.10.13 19:43

@Daisy wrote:
You're correct galena, defintely not a new theory.

Madeleine: Portuguese police to re-examine burglaries at resort
By FIONA BARTON
Last updated at 11:48 19 August 2007  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-476064/Madeleine-Portuguese-police-examine-burglaries-resort.html
Yes, it's all regurgitated crap to distract.

Another one here in the DM 21 August 2007, quoting a Mr Robertson from Neyland/Pembrokeshire who owns/owned an apartment in block 5.

"Mr Robertson said: "When I heard about what happened to Madeleine I thought it could be linked. It is just what I have said from the start.
"Everyone, including Ocean Club and our estate agent, said nothing like that happens here, but it happened to me and all of a sudden it happens to other people."
"I have a feeling there has been a lot of this type of opportunistic burglary.
"It wouldn't surprise me because it's so wide open, so unprotected - could there have been an order to snatch a child?"


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-476718/Madeleine-Burglar-loose-Portuguese-holiday-complex.html#ixzz2hFf1pwln

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