SY ANNOUNCEMENT 2pm 4/7/13

marconi wrote:

aiyoyo wrote:  
Why did the Home Office believe it to be worthwhile widening the scope and budget to pursue 38 people of interest?
Would this lead to an imminent arrest of someone?  

26 are non Brits that any intended interview of them would require the seeking of Mutual Legal  Assistance.  Meaning obtaining rogatory letters from the respective judiciary authorities.  Allegedly it was reported that the CPS had submitted a letter of request to the Portuguese Judiciary (note- the Portuguese did not confirm this)  but surely not all the 26 are portuguese!

The Yard detectives made 16 visits to Portugal and the outcome?  38 new people of interests spread all over Europe!
Is this the break through that merits extending the longevity of the review!

Does any of this make any sense?
Whitewash?  Quite a big roundabout way to do bleach it that legally won't hold any weight in Portugal thus cannot be recognised by the Portuguese.

It's not an open and shut case where the MET's verdict on its Review is the "be all and end all"; so long as the case is not closed by the Portuguese.

 Considering the huge amount of pages examed by the Yard, those 38 are pinuts. The intention of the Met is to eliminate those 38 and to turn themselves to the Tapas.

They have to clean up the road, till they arrive to the group.

Trust them, they know what they are doing.

I have to agree with you on this one marconi and I found this bit of nugget interesting from one of the interviews

That review has now been upgraded to a full-scale investigation with those in charge admitting they have a number of fresh theories about what happened to Madeleine after she disappeared from her parents’ holiday apartment on the Algarve on 3 May 2007.

So according to this the parents and tapas are not suspects at this moment in time, they are getting rid of all the dead wood before lighting the match !!!

Exactly how it should be IMHO !

Snipped from Mail:

This is the first we have heard of any deal to co-operate with the British police, and to be frank I don’t know how it is going to work'
Policia Judiciaria senior detective

But sources within Portugal’s detective unit, the Policia Judiciaria, branded the inquiry as ‘political b*******’ that won’t work.
One senior detective told the Daily Mail: ‘This is the first we have heard of any deal to co-operate with the British police, and to be frank I don’t know how it is going to work

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2355651/Madeleine-McCann-disappearance-Scotland-Yard-targets-12-British-suspects-new-investigation.html

This realy is a case of bad communication!

Poe
I agree with your interpretation of yesterday's statement. I also believe he was calling for restraint in all forms of media even fora perhaps.

the Mail online today :

 
Scotland Yard targets 12 British suspects in new investigation into disappearance of Madeleine McCann as top detectives says there is no evidence to suggest she is dead

•Arrests could be made within weeks by detectives probing 38 suspects
•Officers preparing to swoop on individuals 'scattered across Europe'
•Includes a dozen British nationals visiting or living in Algarve in 2007
•Investigators identify 'genuinely new' leads after two-year £5m review
•Convinced girl was abducted - and find no evidence she was murdered
•Parents Gerry and Kate McCann and the 'Tapas Nine' are not suspects


By Chris Greenwood and Nick Fagge

PUBLISHED:14:00, 4 July 2013 | UPDATED:01:09, 5 July 2013






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Police prepare to swoop: Scotland Yard has launched a 'last chance' investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann


Arrests in the Madeleine McCann case could be made within weeks by Scotland Yard detectives investigating 38 suspects.

Officers were last night preparing to swoop on individuals ‘scattered across Europe’ after announcing a full criminal probe.


They are enlisting the help of colleagues in five countries, including Britain and Portugal, to detain 38 ‘persons of interest’.

Among them are a dozen British nationals who were either visiting or living in the Algarve when Madeleine vanished in 2007.

Investigators said they had no prime suspect but had identified ‘genuinely new’ leads after a two-year, £5million review. They are convinced the three-year-old was abducted by a stranger and have uncovered no evidence that she was murdered.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who is leading the inquiry, said: ‘We continue to believe that there is a possibility that Madeleine is alive.’

Madeleine’s parents Gerry and Kate, as well as their travelling friends known as the ‘Tapas Seven’, have all been ruled out as suspects.


The McCanns ‘warmly welcomed’ the decision to step up the police inquiry from a review to a full-blooded inquiry.


Their spokesman said: ‘They see it as a huge step forward in establishing what happened.’

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Hope: Parents Kate and Gerry McCann have been told they are not suspects in the investigation

Hobs Yesterday at 2:50 pm


DCI Redwood said: "There is no clear, definitive proof that Madeleine McCann is dead.

"On that basis I genuinely believe there is a possibility she is still alive. And so I would like to ask the public to continue to look for her."

Of all the tortuous statements made about this case over the years, this has to be one of the oddest. 

"There is no clear, definite proof that MMcC is dead"

indicates that, to the contrary, proof does exist, it just isn't clear or definitive.  He only needed to follow that up with "Therefore I believe it's possible she is alive" but for some reason he needs to add his personal, genuine belief.  Despite this genuine belief she is alive "And so I would like to ask the public to continue to look for her" is a statement very much lacking in conviction, almost like something he would  have to say, having made the previous 2 statements.

The SY announcement that none of the T9 are on the list of persons of interest to the enquiry was made in an attempt to prevent speculation that they were on the list, which they clearly expected.  It is highly likely the McCs were informed of the announcement that SY were formally taking over the investigation and not inconceivable that they, or their legal reps would insist on a statement of that nature being included, given the McCs high media profile, albeit of their own making.

Either 1) SY genuinely believe in their innocence so are looking elsewhere, or 2) are testing every single possible hypothesis fully before looking at the T9 if the other 38 are ruled out.  It seems inconceivable that they would waste time, effort and money pursuing 2) unless they really  believe the group were not involved.  If this does turn out to be an extremely costly whitewash to protect the great and the good who backed the McCs in the heady days of summer 2007, it simply will not work. 

There is obfuscation and inconsistency in the witness statements of the T9 and  no evidence whatsoever of abduction.  Public suspicion regarding the group will not go away until it has been demonstrated WHY they are not persons of interest in this child's disappearance.  The reasoning behind their being ruled out, contrary to the equally genuine belief of the PJ, which was based on the self same evidence as that which SY has "reviewed" would have to be demonstrated and convincing before people will be able to accept that SY is right and the PJ were wrong.

Having said all this, I don't believe the T9 are ruled out but as my old granny used to say, it seems a very long road for a short cut.

The PJ response so far is as predicted.

David Cameron on SKy News -
"in a nutshell " was asked what he thought of the Maddie - re- opening
Question :  Is this something that you welcome - DC  - Yes it is welcome Police say new evidence leads to follow - this case shocked the nation - STILL shocks the NATION and if an answer can be found - we should try and find it!!
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IAmNotMerylStreep wrote:If this is a whitewash I don't understand why the MET have reopened a case that was already shelved in another country just to cover it up again at great cost to this country that is in recession. Why not just leave it shelved in Portugal?

The hypothetical argument for a whitewash would be that if, as some believe, the McCanns are well connected and need to be protected, it has become clear after six years that no amount of expensive PR and adoring columns by uninquisitive journalists will wash away the stink of suspicion wafting around them. The only way to truly clear them is to either find a living Madeleine and/or find her abductor/killer and convict them convincingly (preferably with a full confession).
This new development from the Met, with its predictable "Maddie's alive!" press fanfare, has unfortunate echoes of Metodo 3's "we're closing in" and "back by Christmas" headlines. The difference is that Metodo 3 were being paid with money people willingly donated to the McCanns to spend on detectives while the Met are being paid with taxpayers' hard-earned cash during a massive recession. Now, if the Met doesn't either produce Maddie or convict SOMEONE at the end of this, they will look as ridiculous as Metodo 3, the McCanns will still be suspected for all the same reasons as before, and the public purse will be ££££££millions lighter. This would play very badly for David Cameron, who instigated it after pressure from his old riding partner Rebekah Brooks, I'd have thought.

Newintown wrote:So if the MET are looking at sex offenders how can they justify the cadaver odour on the key fob of the hire car the McCanns had.  Are they actually saying that the PJ planted all this evidence, because they seem to be totally ignoring it in my mind.

As I said in another thread, they are actually inferring that the PJ have lied and that G Amaral has lied in his book.

Again, what about the Amaral trial, if it goes ahead will the McCanns be called as witnesses, or have SY put a stop to it going ahead at all. Questions, questions still wanting answers!!

 MW-T said the MET `will be looking at sex offenders`, he didn`t say `they are`.  Sex offenders are MW-T`s speciality so he`s assuming (or hoping) they will look at them.

MW-T always bigs-up the British Police - and did this once more by lots of put-downs about the PJ.

Yes, you`re right about the cadaver odour - how are SY going to justify that little gem?

Like other posters I think the wording Redwood used is deliberately vague at times, yet encouraging as it does allow for different interpretations. The bit about "no evidence a murder has been committed" for example is interesting, as the statement does not rule out the evidence of the dogs. 

My hope is there is no way that SY could have come out yesterday and announced they were investigating the parents/ Tapas 9. There would have been a media storm and all sorts of stories would have appeared that could potentially prejudice any later court cases.

Joana is back




 
Attorney General’s Office received no request for judiciary assistance over Maddie
5 July 2013 | Posted by astro 



The Attorney General’s Office has ascertained, this Thursday, that “no request for mutual judiciary assistance has been received” from the British authorities, within the scope of the investigation that has been opened in London into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in the Algarve, in 2007.

In a reply to news agency LUSA, the Attorney General’s Office clarified that “the obtaining of evidence, in Portugal, presupposes the presentation of a mutual judiciary assistance request, usually known as rogatory letter, whose execution has to be authorized by the Portuguese judiciary authorities”.

“The execution of the request has to be integrally assured by the Portuguese authorities, whether the judiciary or the police, as sovereign authorities that they are. The British authorities cannot act, on their own, in Portugal”, the Attorney General’s Office states.

It is added that if “their traveling to Portugal is allowed in order to assist the Portuguese authorities in the execution of the aforementioned mutual judiciary assistance request, a participation that is carried out in the role of an assistant”, the British police “cannot direct any questioning or carry out any diligence, of their own initiative, in Portugal”.

Meanwhile, the authorities in London have confirmed that there are Portuguese citizens among the 38 persons of interest that the British police wishes to question within the investigation that was opened in that country into the disappearance of the little British girl Madeleine McCann, which took place in Praia da Luz, in Lagos, Algarve, on the 3rd of May 2007.

Several weeks ago, the British press had already advanced the possibility that Scotland Yard would open its own investigation into the case, following the review that was opened in 2011 after the intervention of prime minister David Cameron.

At that time, the police confirmed that a delegation of high ranking officials from the Crown Prosecution and British detectives visited Portugal in mid-April in order to discuss the next steps to take with the Portuguese authorities.

The parents and another British citizen, Robert Murat, were made arguidos by the Portuguese judiciary authorities in July 2007, but on the 21st of July of 2008, the Attorney General’s Office ordered the suspicions to be archived, which ended the investigation.

The Portuguese Public Ministry has always admitted reopening the case if new data about the child’s disappearance appears.

in [url=http://www.jn.pt/Dossies/dossie.aspx?content_id=3305918&dossier=O caso Maddie mccann&page=-1]Jornal de Notícias, 05.07.2013[/url]

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/07/attorney-generals-office-received-no.html

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/07/attorney-generals-office-received-no.html

Thank you - wow!~ someone is seriously telling porkies then!

Karen Pinto wrote:David Cameron on SKy News -
"in a nutshell " was asked what he thought of the Maddie - re- opening
Question :  Is this something that you welcome - DC  - Yes it is welcome Police say new evidence leads to follow - this case shocked the nation - STILL shocks the NATION and if an answer can be found - we should try and

the McCanns did not listen to the PJ and to Yvonne Martin (no media!) and they became slaves of the same media.

Kate had a dream of a dead Madeleine, it resulted in the dogs which made the McCCanns arguidos.

From July 2008 the McCanns continued to e a pain in the ... of the British government, on a compulsive obsessive way (fluffy words, action not retoric, if you are a prime minister you have a responsibility...)
In 2011, Kate published her book, criticising the governent, demanding the public to put pressure on them, and Cameron involved the Yard in the case.

The Yard reviewed the case for 2 years, took the investigation over,   

If the McCanns land in jail, it will be thank to themselves.

the McCanns are really lost now.

marconi wrote:

Karen Pinto wrote:David Cameron on SKy News -
"in a nutshell " was asked what he thought of the Maddie - re- opening
Question :  Is this something that you welcome - DC  - Yes it is welcome Police say new evidence leads to follow - this case shocked the nation - STILL shocks the NATION and if an answer can be found - we should try and

the McCanns did not listen to the PJ and to Yvonne Martin (no media!) and they became slaves of the same media.

Kate had a dream of a dead Madeleine, it resulted in the dogs which made the McCCanns arguidos.

From July 2008 the McCanns continued to e a pain in the ... of the British government, on a compulsive obsessive way (fluffy words, action not retoric, if you are a prime minister you have a responsibility...)
In 2011, Kate published her book, criticising the governent, demanding the public to put pressure on them, and Cameron involved the Yard in the case.

The Yard reviewed the case for 2 years, took the investigation over,   

If the McCanns land in jail, it will be thank to themselves.

the McCanns are really lost now.

Mccanns, lost. But apparently they are in the clear now!. SY have their own idea on how this is going to be washed up and it doesn't involve those silly Portuguese.

candyfloss wrote:Joana is back




 
Attorney General’s Office received no request for judiciary assistance over Maddie
5 July 2013 | Posted by astro 

The Attorney General’s Office has ascertained, this Thursday, that “no request for mutual judiciary assistance has been received” from the British authorities, within the scope of the investigation that has been opened in London into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in the Algarve, in 2007.

In a reply to news agency LUSA, the Attorney General’s Office clarified that “the obtaining of evidence, in Portugal, presupposes the presentation of a mutual judiciary assistance request, usually known as rogatory letter, whose execution has to be authorized by the Portuguese judiciary authorities”.

“The execution of the request has to be integrally assured by the Portuguese authorities, whether the judiciary or the police, as sovereign authorities that they are. The British authorities cannot act, on their own, in Portugal”, the Attorney General’s Office states.

It is added that if “their traveling to Portugal is allowed in order to assist the Portuguese authorities in the execution of the aforementioned mutual judiciary assistance request, a participation that is carried out in the role of an assistant”, the British police “cannot direct any questioning or carry out any diligence, of their own initiative, in Portugal”.

Meanwhile, the authorities in London have confirmed that there are Portuguese citizens among the 38 persons of interest that the British police wishes to question within the investigation that was opened in that country into the disappearance of the little British girl Madeleine McCann, which took place in Praia da Luz, in Lagos, Algarve, on the 3rd of May 2007.

Several weeks ago, the British press had already advanced the possibility that Scotland Yard would open its own investigation into the case, following the review that was opened in 2011 after the intervention of prime minister David Cameron.

At that time, the police confirmed that a delegation of high ranking officials from the Crown Prosecution and British detectives visited Portugal in mid-April in order to discuss the next steps to take with the Portuguese authorities.

The parents and another British citizen, Robert Murat, were made arguidos by the Portuguese judiciary authorities in July 2007, but on the 21st of July of 2008, the Attorney General’s Office ordered the suspicions to be archived, which ended the investigation.

The Portuguese Public Ministry has always admitted reopening the case if new data about the child’s disappearance appears.

in [url=http://www.jn.pt/Dossies/dossie.aspx?content_id=3305918&dossier=O caso Maddie]Jornal de Notícias, 05.07.2013[/url]

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/07/attorney-generals-office-received-no.html

So good to see Joana back.

From the above post it only confirms what SY IS saying. They can't investigate FOREIGNERS in other countries, but they CAN investigate those who are here in the UK, and for that, they need to communicate with the Portuguese authorities, and this appears to be what they ARE doing, hence, the "small team" in Portugal.

Despite all the negative comments on here about a "whitewash" , I don't feel that in any shape of form YET, Maybe as thing progress I may start having doubts, but knowing how the law works, it's progressing exactly as one would expect at this stage, so let us take heed by what the MET has asked, and that is restraint for them to carry out their work.

All I want, and have ever wanted, is the TRUTH.  Do I want Madeleine McCann to be found alive? MOST DEFINATE.
Do I believe that she IS alive? No I don't, if I go on what's gone before, but justice is a slow ripening fruit, and the MET's reputation is on the line here, and the world is watching. So, let us keep a cool head, debate what we KNOW that's in the public domain, and let's not take too much of what the gutter press is spewing. We have seen first-hand today from the headlines,  that we aren't going to get anything of value, as to which way the investigation is going.

Nice to see the Portuguese playing hardball.  Just goes to show you can never set the bar too low for the MET when they take up the challenge of looking a complete bunch of corrupt idiots.

Lostfridge, as you can see the article from Joana site has already been posted in full on this thread, so have merged your post giving the link to this topic.

Despite what Redwood said yesterday, I doubt very much that the mccanns and the tapas feel home and dry.  They know what happened that night and the chances are a full Scotland Yard investigation will get to the bottom of it.

The 12 British persons that visited or lived in the Algarve in 2007?

My guess is Tapas9 + RM = 10. I've read rumours CM was there at the time (never confirmed). If true = 11. No clue about no 12.

I know it's been said the 12 Brits are not the McCanns/friends, but I just don't believe that.

russiandoll wrote:

ShuBob wrote:

russiandoll wrote:Redwood said those words very firmly but he said them as if it was a given....not because they had been questioned and eliminated. Was he even allowed to bring them in to be questioned ?  It could only be the case surely........... how could they give a credible account based on what we have read?

Yes but what did he say before that? The clip was very clearly edited to give it a certain slant.

    Don't know Shubob, I thought at the time how I would have liked to see that interview in its entirety. It was edited on every news channel to look as if DCI Redwood was giving a statement, although it appeared to me that he was being interviewed. If that was the case then he was asked I would guess immediately after mentioning the 38 persons of interest, whether McCanns and pals were on that list.
  I am not saying that it is the case that they are but Redwood was saying otherwise, it could well be that they are not. What I do claim from my position of ignorance re police procedure is that imo if they were, he could and would not say so to the media, given the very clear request that the media behave properly as things unfold, so as not to jeopardise the investigation.
 Can you imagine what the media reaction would have been, had Redwood confirmed   yes of course they are, they have to be, the last people to see the child were from that group.
 Given the way the news outlets reacted to the answer that they were not.......it beat Mandela and Egypt to the top spot yesterday, there would have been reporters swarming around all over the locations where the 9 live. That would never be allowed to happen, given that SY need the media to behave.
 That they are likely not to, in the opinion of SY, indicates to me that they expect to be releasing some rather surprising if not shocking news along the way.
  All I know for sure is that the Met said they would act as if the abduction occurred in the UK and UK police procedures when an abduction of a vulnerable person is reported are very clear and the parents and friends need interviewing.
 If they have been eliminated based on honest police procedures, there must have been things in unpublished files which have pointed elsewhere.
 They still all lied at some point though and the question remains why.
  I hope DW was asked why she thought the group were " playing one of their games" evening 3rd May.

I agree with your assessment of how the press conference may have panned out yesterday.

The press asked Redwood questions but for nefarious reasons (I suspect), they've cut out the questions and only broadcast his answers. So why did they have to ask about the McCanns and their friends? To me the answer is clear- question marks still hang over their heads. What's interesting is that such questions about Murat didn't appear to have been asked or if they were, the answers weren't broadcast.

Cristobell wrote:Despite what Redwood said yesterday, I doubt very much that the mccanns and the tapas feel home and dry.  They know what happened that night and the chances are a full Scotland Yard investigation will get to the bottom of it.

I think their reaction to the news yesterday tells it's own story.

Karen Pinto wrote:Smiths in the frame again - http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-couple-could-hold-the-key-to-solving-madeleine-mccann-case-29396720.html

Luke Byrne – 05 July 2013
AN Irish couple could hold key evidence in a fresh investigation launched into the disappearance of British child Madeleine McCann.

A two-year review of the case documents by British detectives has been upgraded to a full investigation into the youngster's unexplained disappearance.
The review by Scotland Yard, nicknamed 'Operation Grange', was ordered by British Prime Minister David Cameron and funded by the country's Home Office.
It has identified 38 "people of interest" from a number of European countries, including 12 from the UK.
Evidence provided at the time by members of the Smith family, from Maple Drive, Drogheda, Co Louth, was considered credible by the review officers.
Martin Smith and his wife Mary revealed to investigators how they saw a man carrying a young child through the streets of Praia da Luz in Portugal on the night Madeleine went missing.
She disappeared on May 3, 2007, from her family's apartment on the Algarve.
The Smith family told police how they had left Kelly's Bar in the resort at around 10pm
They then passed a man walking down the middle of the street who was carrying a girl aged about three to four years old.
It was claimed that the child's head was lying against the man's left shoulder and her arms were hanging down alongside her body.
Madeleine was almost four when she was reported missing by parents Gerry and Kate McCann.
The Smiths returned home the day after the incident and it was only after they had seen the media reports of Madeleine's disappearance that they noted the encounter's significance. They later travelled back to Portugal to give police a statement.
So far, the review team has examined more than 30,000 documents generating almost 4,000 fresh lines of inquiry, but still have one-third of the information to examine.
Irish Independent

This article makes me happy as the mccanns weren't particularly interested in it as the saw Gerry!
Which leads me to think that persons of interest will be interviewed in the lead up to the big cheeses as witnesses.

Nereid wrote:The 12 British persons that visited or lived in the Algarve in 2007?

My guess is Tapas9 + RM = 10. I've read rumours CM was there at the time (never confirmed). If true = 11. No clue about no 12.

I know it's been said the 12 Brits are not the McCanns/friends, but I just don't believe that.

 It is true. 12 Brits are not the McCanns friends ANYMORE. 

According to Moita Flores, there were 12 people involved in the case.

I think the last 3 ones were relatives.

And Murat is not one of them.

And I don't believe those 12 are the Tapas and 3 relatives.
They must be other people.


Why should Redwood lie?

http://www.itv.com/news/central/

Sroll down to Redwood.

At 2:21.
Lip licking, tongue out to interviewer, (distain?) lips tightly closed.

WHAT has he just 'let slip'?

Trying to retract/ 'take back' subconsciously?

Just like SH!

Is he lying about all this 'new stuf,f, which imo, he has been told to say, to try to justify all the millions for the case of a single child?
Where are the unlimitless millions available for EVERY other 'missing' child?