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Post by lufc50337 05.07.13 12:13

ShuBob wrote:
Cristobell wrote:Despite what Redwood said yesterday, I doubt very much that the mccanns and the tapas feel home and dry.  They know what happened that night and the chances are a full Scotland Yard investigation will get to the bottom of it.

I think their reaction to the news yesterday tells it's own story.

I still don't know what to think but I did think the McCanns reaction was very restrained which gives a glimmer of hope

I can see the argument for whitewash and true investigation but unless somembody in the know drops us a clue I have no idea
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Post by paddinton 05.07.13 12:23

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A COUPLE accused of trying to extort money from missing Madeleine McCann's parents have been arrested at a hideaway in Portugal

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Italian Danilo Chemello and his Portuguese girlfriend Aurora Pereira Vaz hit the headlines in 2007 after being seized in southern Spain over the alleged bid to to get their hands on a €3m reward offered for information on Madeleine's whereabouts.
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The case never came to trial despite lurid reports about their past and the discovery of newspaper cuttings about Madeleine in their luxury home in Sotogrande, southern Spain.
The couple managed to relocate to the Algarve despite Chemello being wanted by authorities in France.
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They were arrested at a rented house in the coastal resort of Estoril near Lisbon on Wednesday - where they had been living since January under false identities with two teenage children.
Portuguese police said they acted on three European arrest warrants.
A spokesperson for Portugal's PSP police, which arrested Chemello and Vaz, said the three European arrest warrants they executed were issued by France and Italy for a man aged 67 and a woman aged 60.
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He said they were not aware of any European arrest warrant issued against the couple by Spain - where they were arrested in 2007 over the alleged Madeleine Mccann extortion attempt.
Millionaire ex-construction tycoon Chemello, 67, is set to be extradited to France shortly after being remanded in jail following a court appearance in Cascais near Estoril.
Vaz, 60, is expected to be kept in Portugal.
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A French court sentenced them to 18 months in jail for making a false birth register around the time they are believed to have set up home on the Algarve.
The pair failed to turn up in court and an arrest warrant was issued.
Chemello, convicted and caged along with Vaz for 10 months for child abuse in a separate case for feeding his stepdaughter dog food and locking her in a bedroom with her hands and legs tied with tape, is also wanted for trying to blackmail the French judge who jailed them.
He was reportedly sentenced to three years in prison in his absence after hiring a private detective to probe the woman's judge's private life and then using the information to blackmail her.
Italian authorities accused the couple of kneecapping Vaz's husband Alberto Tana during a bitter custody battle over her daughter in Rome in 1996.
Although cleared of ordering the shooting, both were given 16-month jail sentences for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice and and firearms offences.
The teenage children living with Vaz and Chemello in Portugal are understood to be her two children.
They have been taken to a children's home in Portugal.
One neighbour at their home in Estoril, home to Europe's largest casino, told a local paper he had never seen them playing in the street and said he thought they weren't even going to school.
Specialist anti-kidnap police stormed the couple's house in Sotogrande in June 2007 to arrest them over their alleged bid to extort money from Madeleine McCann's parents.
At the time they were said to have tried to claim a multi-million euro reward through a Malaga-based lawyer.
Chemello and Vaz appeared in a closed court hearing before he was transferred to Spain's National Criminal Court for an extradition hearing on an unrelated matter and she was released on bail.
It was unclear today whether the case against them had been dropped or was still being investigated by a court in San Roque near Cadiz - and had simply been put on hold while the other cases against them are dealt with first.
The arrests came on the eve of an announcement by Scotland Yard it has opened a formal investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
British police have formally asked the Crown Prosecution Service to submit an international letter of request to Portuguese authorities for assistance in obtaining evidence relating to their inquiries.
The Metropolitan Police has asked for a small number of its officers to be present in Portugal for the inquiries there.
It has also said it still believes there is a chance Madeleine is alive and it is investigating 38 "persons of interest" from five European countries, including 12 British nationals.
A spokesman for the office of Portugal's Attorney General, which archived the Madeleine McCann investigation in July 2008, said today/yesterday (FRI): "No request for mutual judicial assistance from the UK has yet been received."
Pedro do Carmo, head of Portugal's Policia Judiciaria, added: "Investigations in Portugal are carried out by the Department of Public Prosecution and the Portuguese police.
"But requests from foreign authorities to be present arrive fairly frequently."
Portugal's Ministry of Justice is expected to be tasked with authorising the request when it arrives.




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Post by jeanmonroe 05.07.13 12:28

Nereid wrote:The 12 British persons that visited or lived in the Algarve in 2007?

My guess is Tapas9 + RM = 10. I've read rumours CM was there at the time (never confirmed). If true = 11. No clue about no 12.

I know it's been said the 12 Brits are not the McCanns/friends, but I just don't believe that.

JW+WIFE?

JW absolutely central, who crossed the road, in street at EXACT time , didn't see Tanner who was less than 2 feet from him, etc.

No Mitchell.
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Post by Cristobell 05.07.13 12:29

sally66 wrote:
ShuBob wrote:
Cristobell wrote:Despite what Redwood said yesterday, I doubt very much that the mccanns and the tapas feel home and dry.  They know what happened that night and the chances are a full Scotland Yard investigation will get to the bottom of it.

I think their reaction to the news yesterday tells it's own story.

I still don't know what to think but I did think the McCanns reaction was very restrained which gives a glimmer of hope

I can see the argument for whitewash and true investigation but unless  somembody in the know drops us a clue I have no idea

As far as I'm aware Sally, the mccanns have been camera shy since 12th May, when those awful pictures appeared.  If I am wrong here, please let me know.

Prior to that mccann news was prolific, as illustrated by the very helpful news thread Tigger put up.  Scotland Yard have asked for media restraint, that may also apply to the mccann spin machine, which is notable at the moment for its absence.

The mccanns clearly don't have control - their statement contradicted that of SY.  Redwood was talking about a 'live' child, the mccanns only mentioned bringing the 'abductor' to trial, there was no reference to Madeleine being alive and brought home.  The shills on twitter were just as much in the dark as we were as we awaited the 2pm announcement.
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Post by Praiaaa 05.07.13 12:35

Christobell - yes, that struck me too -  they  only referred to the abductor being brought to justIce - no mention on Maddie being rescued and brought home! Does this mean they are preparing for a shift of tack, and will at some point acknowledge that she is dead, but cling to the story that the 'abductor' is responsible for her death?
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Post by jeanmonroe 05.07.13 12:54

WHO told Redwood Madeleine HAD been 'abducted'?

Surely he's not that thick to believe the word of the ONLY people who said she was 'abducted', the McCanns, the parents of the 'missing' child.

The McCanns own Solicitor-Advocate, Isabel Martorell, at a recent trial had to admit, in court, that even she was unable to state that Madeleine had been 'abducted' even though she had previously given a sworn affadavit that she had!
She says she was only TOLD that Madeleine had been 'abducted' by her clients, the McCanns, the last people, by admission, to have seen her.

WHO TOLD REDWOOD THAT MADELEINE WAS 'ABDUCTED'?
WHO TOLD CAMERON THAT MADELEINE WAS 'ABDUCTED'?

WHO ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE SAID MADELEINE WAS 'ABDUCTED'?

ONLY THE PARENTS!
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Post by marconi 05.07.13 12:59

On Sky News one can watch Redwood who tells they have spoken to witnesses (plural) who provided new EVIDENCE to the Yard.

A witness is a person who is present at a happening.

I suspect that those refered by Redwood are Tapas 7, the only ones who were present that night.

And also the Smiths, but the Smiths told already what they saw.

What kind of evidence do Tapas 7 have, after 6 years?

Because Redwood is talking about PROOF.
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Post by marconi 05.07.13 13:01

jeanmonroe wrote:WHO told Redwood Madeleine HAD been 'abducted'?

Surely he's not that thick to believe the word of the ONLY people who said she was 'abducted', the McCanns, the parents of the 'missing' child.

The McCanns own Solicitor-Advocate, Isabel Martorell, at a recent trial had to admit, in court, that even she was unable to state that Madeleine had been 'abducted' even though she had previously given a sworn affadavit that she had!
She says she was only TOLD that Madeleine had been 'abducted' by her clients, the McCanns, the last people, by admission, to have seen her.

WHO TOLD REDWOOD THAT MADELEINE WAS 'ABDUCTED'?
WHO TOLD CAMERON THAT MADELEINE WAS 'ABDUCTED'?

WHO ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE SAID MADELEINE WAS 'ABDUCTED'?

ONLY THE PARENTS!

 The abductor himself, of course. Who else?
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Post by lufc50337 05.07.13 13:11

Cristobell wrote:
sally66 wrote:
ShuBob wrote:
Cristobell wrote:Despite what Redwood said yesterday, I doubt very much that the mccanns and the tapas feel home and dry.  They know what happened that night and the chances are a full Scotland Yard investigation will get to the bottom of it.

I think their reaction to the news yesterday tells it's own story.

I still don't know what to think but I did think the McCanns reaction was very restrained which gives a glimmer of hope

I can see the argument for whitewash and true investigation but unless  somembody in the know drops us a clue I have no idea

As far as I'm aware Sally, the mccanns have been camera shy since 12th May, when those awful pictures appeared.  If I am wrong here, please let me know.

Prior to that mccann news was prolific, as illustrated by the very helpful news thread Tigger put up.  Scotland Yard have asked for media restraint, that may also apply to the mccann spin machine, which is notable at the moment for its absence.

The mccanns clearly don't have control - their statement contradicted that of SY.  Redwood was talking about a 'live' child, the mccanns only mentioned bringing the 'abductor' to trial, there was no reference to Madeleine being alive and brought home.  The shills on twitter were just as much in the dark as we were as we awaited the 2pm announcement.

Hi Christobel

I agree with what you've written and I thought recently there was quite a few abnormalities which pointed to something afoot behind the scenes and not in the McCanns favour.

I can understand Redwood saying their not suspects that I would imagine is normal procedure whether they are or aren't.

It's just felt like it could have been scripted by CM, they asked for restraint from the media regarding it and then gave them Madeleine is alive for a headline, but of course he could be playing mind games with the McCanns.

I would love Madeleine to be found alive and well as we all would but unfortunately I don't believe that will be the case as I trust the dogs, a relative used to train police sniffer dogs (not cadaver and blood) but I am well aware of how clever and reliable they are.

It's just some people are so adamant it will be a whitewash and I do feel there has been dark forces at work or the truth would have come out sooner, as somebody reminded us yesterday Steel Magnolia stopped blogging as she was told something from SY that made it pointless.

The Ramsay case was never solved but it was in their home with no witnesses, there's lots of witnesses here and there is a high chance IMO that it could be solved if the will is there.

I can argue it both ways but without some hint from those in the know I definitely have splinters on my arse
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Post by jeanmonroe 05.07.13 13:25

marconi:

Q. "What kind of evidence do Tapas 7 have, after 6 years"?

A. Er, um, erm......the TRUTH?
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Post by Philthecynic 05.07.13 13:28

jeanmonroe wrote:http://www.itv.com/news/central/

Sroll down to Redwood.

At 2:21.
Lip licking, tongue out to interviewer, (distain?) lips tightly closed.

WHAT has he just 'let slip'?

Trying to retract/ 'take back' subconsciously?

Just like SH!

Is he lying about all this 'new stuf,f, which imo, he has been told to say, to try to justify all the millions for the case of a single child?
Where are the unlimitless millions available for EVERY other 'missing' child?

 
Why is the cost not being met by THE FUND? We are told it's sole purpose is to aid the search for Madeleine, what better way to spend it than by funding the Met investigation. Just hand it over, their daughter should be worth it and it's the best hope they have IF she is still alive.

Personally I was gutted that the new investigation still seems to be fixated on the gospel according to MR and MRS and that it seems that they seem not to be challenging the abduction by a stranger theory.

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Post by espeland 05.07.13 13:30

Petermac was logged in around 11.30 this morning, but didn't post here. And where is Tony? Perhaps, with their different experiences, they know or suspect something relevant to the case.

I have seen in various fora comments that perhaps they will be closed down. That may, in my opinion, be a good thing: assuming that SY are NOT producing a whitewash of the case, comments appearing on the Internet could easily be damaging or hindering to their work. I wouldn't want anyone - the McCanns or anyone else guilty of abduction or worse - to escape justice because of something posted on a forum. If SY ARE preparing a whitewash there are thousands ready to shout out, at least on the net. Whatever the final outcome of their investigation, we will hear about it.

The size of this thread, with so many posts trying to determine whether Redwood did or did not include a specific passage or whether the 12 British people to be interviewed includes the Tapas9 only goes to show the ridiculous extent we, the forum members, have been prepared to go: it's time we held back and let others get on with their work.

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Post by lufc50337 05.07.13 13:36

I don't think the forums should be shut down, lots of things have already been said, as long as people are careful I don't see the problem.

I truly believe that the Internet interest in the case has helped with the search for justice for M even if its just by GA knowing he's not alone.

The research some dedicated people have done is invaluable and the evidence stored that now can't be whooshed.
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Post by Cristobell 05.07.13 14:05

Very frustrating Sally.  Yes, I remember when Steel Magnolia saying that, I also remember Good Quality Wristbands closing too.  

I feel much the same as yourself.  I was looking through Joana's site the other day and came across a post where Goncalo Amaral said Scotland Yard were only interested in an abduction, nothing else.  Then, of course via Blacksmith, we heard GA say 'things were not going well for the mccanns'.  However, I will have to check as to which of those snippets is the more recent.  The only person I really trust in this quagmire of spin, is Goncalo Amaral.
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Post by ShuBob 05.07.13 14:08

Personally, I don't see the point of announcing that there are x number of people the investigation team want to speak to. By any account, 38 is still too many. Perhaps, it's all a ploy.

In any case, the press appear to have forgotten Murat in all of this. Did any of the gathered journalists yesterday care to ask if Murat is one of the 38?
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Post by ShuBob 05.07.13 14:13

Speaking of Murat, I just found this video clip of him being interviewed via Skype by Five news:



Hopefully, there is a longer version somewhere.

ETA: There are more clips here: http://www.channel5.com/shows/5-news/features-archived/robert-murat-new-mccann-inquiry-would-mean-a-huge-amount

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Post by MaryB 05.07.13 14:45

Maybe it would help if we could have some accurate reporting for a change.  38 suspects or 38 persons of interests.  Or 38 persons of interest of whom 12 are suspects.  Or 38 persons of whom 12 are British.  Which is it?
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Post by lj 05.07.13 15:03

Popcorn wrote:
IAmNotMerylStreep wrote:If this is a whitewash I don't understand why the MET have reopened a case that was already shelved in another country just to cover it up again at great cost to this country that is in recession. Why not just leave it shelved in Portugal?

The hypothetical argument for a whitewash would be that if, as some believe, the McCanns are well connected and need to be protected, it has become clear after six years that no amount of expensive PR and adoring columns by uninquisitive journalists will wash away the stink of suspicion wafting around them. The only way to truly clear them is to either find a living Madeleine and/or find her abductor/killer and convict them convincingly (preferably with a full confession).
This new development from the Met, with its predictable "Maddie's alive!" press fanfare, has unfortunate echoes of Metodo 3's "we're closing in" and "back by Christmas" headlines. The difference is that Metodo 3 were being paid with money people willingly donated to the McCanns to spend on detectives while the Met are being paid with taxpayers' hard-earned cash during a massive recession. Now, if the Met doesn't either produce Maddie or convict SOMEONE at the end of this, they will look as ridiculous as Metodo 3, the McCanns will still be suspected for all the same reasons as before, and the public purse will be ££££££millions lighter. This would play very badly for David Cameron, who instigated it after pressure from his old riding partner Rebekah Brooks, I'd have thought.


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Post by lj 05.07.13 15:09

Woofer wrote:
Newintown wrote:So if the MET are looking at sex offenders how can they justify the cadaver odour on the key fob of the hire car the McCanns had.  Are they actually saying that the PJ planted all this evidence, because they seem to be totally ignoring it in my mind.

As I said in another thread, they are actually inferring that the PJ have lied and that G Amaral has lied in his book.

Again, what about the Amaral trial, if it goes ahead will the McCanns be called as witnesses, or have SY put a stop to it going ahead at all. Questions, questions still wanting answers!!

 MW-T said the MET `will be looking at sex offenders`, he didn`t say `they are`.  Sex offenders are MW-T`s speciality so he`s assuming (or hoping) they will look at them.

MW-T always bigs-up the British Police - and did this once more by lots of put-downs about the PJ.

Yes, you`re right about the cadaver odour - how are SY going to justify that little gem?

They won't because there is no accountability for them. Nobody is going to ask them "what about the cadaver odour?".
They're in the ideal position: anything that will contradict you theory can be ignored.

It was clear from the very onset. Remember when they started: "we are going to treat this as an abduction that happened in the UK". there you have it. The Tapas bunch were exzcluded even before the investigation/review/whitewash began.

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Post by Pershing36 05.07.13 15:19

lj wrote:
Woofer wrote:
Newintown wrote:So if the MET are looking at sex offenders how can they justify the cadaver odour on the key fob of the hire car the McCanns had.  Are they actually saying that the PJ planted all this evidence, because they seem to be totally ignoring it in my mind.

As I said in another thread, they are actually inferring that the PJ have lied and that G Amaral has lied in his book.

Again, what about the Amaral trial, if it goes ahead will the McCanns be called as witnesses, or have SY put a stop to it going ahead at all. Questions, questions still wanting answers!!

 MW-T said the MET `will be looking at sex offenders`, he didn`t say `they are`.  Sex offenders are MW-T`s speciality so he`s assuming (or hoping) they will look at them.

MW-T always bigs-up the British Police - and did this once more by lots of put-downs about the PJ.

Yes, you`re right about the cadaver odour - how are SY going to justify that little gem?

They won't because there is no accountability for them. Nobody is going to ask them "what about the cadaver odour?".
They're in the ideal position: anything that will contradict you theory can be ignored.

It was clear from the very onset. Remember when they started: "we are going to treat this as an abduction that happened in the UK". there you have it. The Tapas bunch were exzcluded even before the investigation/review/whitewash began.
The sad truth of it I believe. 

I believe if they were under any suspicion the question on whether they were suspects or not would have been avoided or not allowed.  I can't see SY lieing, they would look foolish as well.

Someone did a right job on SY to get them to ignore the dog and forensic evidence.  Unfortunately I can't see this being resolved in the near future.
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Post by bobbin 05.07.13 15:21

espeland wrote:Petermac was logged in around 11.30 this morning, but didn't post here. And where is Tony? Perhaps, with their different experiences, they know or suspect something relevant to the case.

I have seen in various fora comments that perhaps they will be closed down. That may, in my opinion, be a good thing: assuming that SY are NOT producing a whitewash of the case, comments appearing on the Internet could easily be damaging or hindering to their work. I wouldn't want anyone - the McCanns or anyone else guilty of abduction or worse - to escape justice because of something posted on a forum. If SY ARE preparing a whitewash there are thousands ready to shout out, at least on the net. Whatever the final outcome of their investigation, we will hear about it.

The size of this thread, with so many posts trying to determine whether Redwood did or did not include a specific passage or whether the 12 British people to be interviewed includes the Tapas9 only goes to show the ridiculous extent we, the forum members, have been prepared to go: it's time we held back and let others get on with their work.
I agree with moderate comment rather than any form of speculation but I do not think for one moment we should hold back and let others get on with their work.
This would assume a 'no whitewash' scenario.
I am certain that it is the persistent pressure from the blogging general public that has demonstrated that any thoughts of a 'whitewash' need to be feared.
We have just seen the exposure of PRISM, and the USA's widest ranging gathering of private data and spying on allies and foes and this has set the USA and UK perpetrators a long way back.
In the queue behind every whistle-blower is another one waiting the opportune moment.
Egypt has just shown that people can and will come out in force when they are pushed enough.
Marches throughout the USA are now taking place against 'surveillance of the private individual'.
The states of South America are now rallied against the North American 'government and its elite'
Re the unjustified war (no weapons of mass destruction found) against Iraq; just because previous war criminals have not yet faced the moment of public justice does not mean that day is not approaching.
With the phone hacking revelations, we have seen that within the MET there has been corruption at the highest level and that exposure casts doubt on the sincerity of this current investigation.
Until such time however as 100 % of the police are shown to be corrupt, I will keep enough room in my thoughts that there are still many police (wo)men who joined the force to keep public justice at the helm.
We can observe that the 'scenery' has now changed.
McCs were full of bravado and in our faces over a 6 year period until recently. It would appear that they are now taking a different stance.
Mitchel was a permanent controller of public relation reporting as the voice of the McCs. When was his last bit of spin 
Re the police. We did until recent times have one of the most respected police forces in the world. Perhaps they might still pull a true rabbit out of the hat.
There is no doubt that the MET will have been watching this site.
They would have been guilty of gross negligence if they had not been monitoring here.
Furthermore, they will have seen from the analysis and fact finding here, that barring that essential piece of solid evidence, the facts speak clearly for themselves.
In as much as I agree 'care in what is said now, without rash speculation' should be the order of the day, the message still needs to be made that a 'whitewash' will not go unchallenged, and recent global events show that once people feel that an 'injustice' has been done, they will not stop until justice is done.
Madeleine has been defiled in too many ways since she 'disappeared'.
But she will be honoured.
We do need to keep discussing Maddie's disappearance, analysing any new info, re-viewing old info, and keeping the pressure on the authorities until the job is satisfactorily done.
For Madeleine who has no voice other than ours and others'roses roses roses .
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Post by womandotcom 05.07.13 15:31

bobbin wrote:
espeland wrote:Petermac was logged in around 11.30 this morning, but didn't post here. And where is Tony? Perhaps, with their different experiences, they know or suspect something relevant to the case.

I have seen in various fora comments that perhaps they will be closed down. That may, in my opinion, be a good thing: assuming that SY are NOT producing a whitewash of the case, comments appearing on the Internet could easily be damaging or hindering to their work. I wouldn't want anyone - the McCanns or anyone else guilty of abduction or worse - to escape justice because of something posted on a forum. If SY ARE preparing a whitewash there are thousands ready to shout out, at least on the net. Whatever the final outcome of their investigation, we will hear about it.

The size of this thread, with so many posts trying to determine whether Redwood did or did not include a specific passage or whether the 12 British people to be interviewed includes the Tapas9 only goes to show the ridiculous extent we, the forum members, have been prepared to go: it's time we held back and let others get on with their work.
I agree with moderate comment rather than any form of speculation but I do not think for one moment we should hold back and let others get on with their work.
This would assume a 'no whitewash' scenario.
I am certain that it is the persistent pressure from the blogging general public that has demonstrated that any thoughts of a 'whitewash' need to be feared.
We have just seen the exposure of PRISM, and the USA's widest ranging gathering of private data and spying on allies and foes and this has set the USA and UK perpetrators a long way back.
In the queue behind every whistle-blower is another one waiting the opportune moment.
Egypt has just shown that people can and will come out in force when they are pushed enough.
Marches throughout the USA are now taking place against 'surveillance of the private individual'.
The states of South America are now rallied against the North American 'government and its elite'
Re the unjustified war (no weapons of mass destruction found) against Iraq; just because previous war criminals have not yet faced the moment of public justice does not mean that day is not approaching.
With the phone hacking revelations, we have seen that within the MET there has been corruption at the highest level and that exposure casts doubt on the sincerity of this current investigation.
Until such time however as 100 % of the police are shown to be corrupt, I will keep enough room in my thoughts that there are still many police (wo)men who joined the force to keep public justice at the helm.
We can observe that the 'scenery' has now changed.
McCs were full of bravado and in our faces over a 6 year period until recently. It would appear that they are now taking a different stance.
Mitchel was a permanent controller of public relation reporting as the voice of the McCs. When was his last bit of spin 
Re the police. We did until recent times have one of the most respected police forces in the world. Perhaps they might still pull a true rabbit out of the hat.
There is no doubt that the MET will have been watching this site.
They would have been guilty of gross negligence if they had not been monitoring here.
Furthermore, they will have seen from the analysis and fact finding here, that barring that essential piece of solid evidence, the facts speak clearly for themselves.
In as much as I agree 'care in what is said now, without rash speculation' should be the order of the day, the message still needs to be made that a 'whitewash' will not go unchallenged, and recent global events show that once people feel that an 'injustice' has been done, they will not stop until justice is done.
Madeleine has been defiled in too many ways since she 'disappeared'.
But she will be honoured.
We do need to keep discussing Maddie's disappearance, analysing any new info, re-viewing old info, and keeping the pressure on the authorities until the job is satisfactorily done.
For Madeleine who has no voice other than ours and others'roses roses roses .

Well said Bobbin:clapping: 

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Post by lufc50337 05.07.13 15:41

Totally agree Bobbin

And IF it does turn out to be a whitewash all the more reason to keep going, you never know there might one day be a paper that is prepared to print the truth based on the facts
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Post by jeanmonroe 05.07.13 15:55

sally66 wrote:Totally agree Bobbin

And IF it does turn out to be a whitewash all the more reason to keep going, you never know there might one day be a paper that is prepared to print the truth based on the facts

And you'll never know when a copper who still believes in justice and has worked on Operation Grange will maybe resign and turn whistleblower at any given time.
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Post by jozi 05.07.13 16:12

bobbin wrote:
espeland wrote:Petermac was logged in around 11.30 this morning, but didn't post here. And where is Tony? Perhaps, with their different experiences, they know or suspect something relevant to the case.

I have seen in various fora comments that perhaps they will be closed down. That may, in my opinion, be a good thing: assuming that SY are NOT producing a whitewash of the case, comments appearing on the Internet could easily be damaging or hindering to their work. I wouldn't want anyone - the McCanns or anyone else guilty of abduction or worse - to escape justice because of something posted on a forum. If SY ARE preparing a whitewash there are thousands ready to shout out, at least on the net. Whatever the final outcome of their investigation, we will hear about it.

The size of this thread, with so many posts trying to determine whether Redwood did or did not include a specific passage or whether the 12 British people to be interviewed includes the Tapas9 only goes to show the ridiculous extent we, the forum members, have been prepared to go: it's time we held back and let others get on with their work.
I agree with moderate comment rather than any form of speculation but I do not think for one moment we should hold back and let others get on with their work.
This would assume a 'no whitewash' scenario.
I am certain that it is the persistent pressure from the blogging general public that has demonstrated that any thoughts of a 'whitewash' need to be feared.
We have just seen the exposure of PRISM, and the USA's widest ranging gathering of private data and spying on allies and foes and this has set the USA and UK perpetrators a long way back.
In the queue behind every whistle-blower is another one waiting the opportune moment.
Egypt has just shown that people can and will come out in force when they are pushed enough.
Marches throughout the USA are now taking place against 'surveillance of the private individual'.
The states of South America are now rallied against the North American 'government and its elite'
Re the unjustified war (no weapons of mass destruction found) against Iraq; just because previous war criminals have not yet faced the moment of public justice does not mean that day is not approaching.
With the phone hacking revelations, we have seen that within the MET there has been corruption at the highest level and that exposure casts doubt on the sincerity of this current investigation.
Until such time however as 100 % of the police are shown to be corrupt, I will keep enough room in my thoughts that there are still many police (wo)men who joined the force to keep public justice at the helm.
We can observe that the 'scenery' has now changed.
McCs were full of bravado and in our faces over a 6 year period until recently. It would appear that they are now taking a different stance.
Mitchel was a permanent controller of public relation reporting as the voice of the McCs. When was his last bit of spin 
Re the police. We did until recent times have one of the most respected police forces in the world. Perhaps they might still pull a true rabbit out of the hat.
There is no doubt that the MET will have been watching this site.
They would have been guilty of gross negligence if they had not been monitoring here.
Furthermore, they will have seen from the analysis and fact finding here, that barring that essential piece of solid evidence, the facts speak clearly for themselves.
In as much as I agree 'care in what is said now, without rash speculation' should be the order of the day, the message still needs to be made that a 'whitewash' will not go unchallenged, and recent global events show that once people feel that an 'injustice' has been done, they will not stop until justice is done.
Madeleine has been defiled in too many ways since she 'disappeared'.
But she will be honoured.
We do need to keep discussing Maddie's disappearance, analysing any new info, re-viewing old info, and keeping the pressure on the authorities until the job is satisfactorily done.
For Madeleine who has no voice other than ours and others'roses roses roses .

Excellent post ,my thoughts entirely
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